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A gun in the hands of a nine year old girl jumped over and killed an instructor. The little girl didn't want to kill her instructor but the gun over came her intentions and shot the guy.

I hope the girl sues the NRA for billions because her life will be forever marred.

Furthermore I hope every NRA member will be levied as remedy for this awful crime.

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The trainer was negligent and responsible for his own death.  No firearm makes a decision to kill as they have no brain and can't pull their own triggers.  I know enough about semi and full auto short weapons to never let a small child hold it and pull the trigger alone.  Trainer should have had his hand on the Uzi to steady it.

Originally Posted by dilligaff:

hoober ;

When was the last time you or anyone you know was assulted by a union member


Have been physically threatened at least 3 times, had a car at a Reynolds plant in New York State vandalized because it was a Toyota, seen people beat up after union meetings because of a union disagreement. 

When was the last time you were assaulted by a NRA member?

the gun made the choice based on a set of physical laws it was programmed to follow after someone inserted the clip and the guns  response to the trigger being intentionally pulled the initial time. Had the clip been left on the table, the gun would not have had the opportunity to jump left and shoot the guy.

 

only a set of imbecile brains would assemble the mechanism by which this child is forever marred.

 

This is proof that the NRA is an accident ready to happen. lockem'all up.

jd, any ole redneck I know allowing his nine year-old to shoot a weapon like this would have anticipated the danger and been behind it holding the hell on to the weapon to prevent this. I have seen this same scenario occur with adults. Bottom line is the NRA is for the most part made up of loose cannons. just check'em out you will agree.

Originally Posted by Quaildog:

the gun made the choice based on a set of physical laws it was programmed to follow after someone inserted the clip and the guns  response to the trigger being intentionally pulled the initial time. Had the clip been left on the table, the gun would not have had the opportunity to jump left and shoot the guy.

 

only a set of imbecile brains would assemble the mechanism by which this child is forever marred.

 

This is proof that the NRA is an accident ready to happen. lockem'all up.


An uzi does not accept a "clip".

I do agree a 9 year old should have never been handed a full auto weapon.  However, how the NRA fits into all this is beyond me.  The NRA would never in a million years support what was happening before the accident.  They have the absolute best gun safety trainers in the world.

This is exactly what I'm talking about.  Anyone not in a union is a "scab".  Nothing but thuggery and intimidation. 

 

There are union workers,and nonunion workers.  They are both busting their butt trying to earn a living for them and their families.

Scab is someone who crosses a legal picket line or someone with a union book that works nonunion in their trade at times.

I don't want to take away guns.  I own rifles, shotguns, and pistols.  I think they are guns, somehow weapons don't seem like the right word.

Second amendments are being infringed on and have to be infringed on.  I see no need for a private citizen or club to own and operate fully automatic weapons.

Instead of a uzi, let her shoot a eight or ten gauge shotgun. It's just as appropiate.

Originally Posted by jtdavis:

This is exactly what I'm talking about.  Anyone not in a union is a "scab".  Nothing but thuggery and intimidation. 

 

There are union workers,and nonunion workers.  They are both busting their butt trying to earn a living for them and their families.

Scab is someone who crosses a legal picket line or someone with a union book that works nonunion in their trade at time


Nowhere in my posts did I say I crossed any picket line, legal or not.  Yet quail refers to me as a "scab".

 

I worked union for many years.  Now I don't because there is no union for what I do as it is a professional job and not Trades/labor.  I know the ins and outs and the bad and good with unions, because I've seen it and lived it.  The non union folk I've worked around seem to be much less prone to violence. 

Originally Posted by jtdavis:

I don't want to take away guns.  I own rifles, shotguns, and pistols.  I think they are guns, somehow weapons don't seem like the right word.

Second amendments are being infringed on and have to be infringed on.  I see no need for a private citizen or club to own and operate fully automatic weapons.

Instead of a uzi, let her shoot a eight or ten gauge shotgun. It's just as appropiate.


So you think a shotgun powerful enough to remove boiler slag is appropriate for a 9 year old?

 

Owning a fully auto weapon is HEAVILY regulated.  Most people can't afford it or the cost to operate one.  To say my right to own a fully auto weapon is not already infringed is a false statement.  Go to any gun store and see if you can purchase one and be shooting by Saturday.

Originally Posted by direstraits:

First, old Squirrelly Dawg agrees that the trainer was in the wrong. Then, attributes the Uzi with a will from the laws of physics.  He can keep two diametrically opposed thoughts in his brain, at once.  And, still arrive at a silly conclusion, without logic.


Based on his first post, he thinks the NRA caused this accident; even though they would never promote this type of behavior nor were any NRA reps on site at the time of the accident.  He may as well claimed that PETA caused the accident.

Last edited by Mr. Hooberbloob
Originally Posted by direstraits:

First, old Squirrelly Dawg agrees that the trainer was in the wrong. Then, attributes the Uzi with a will from the laws of physics.  He can keep two diametrically opposed thoughts in his brain, at once.  And, still arrive at a silly conclusion, without logic.

I'll be willing to bet the goofy trainer was an NRA member.

like I've said before; I've hung around several gun shops and rolled my eyes around at the clientele bragging about guns. Most of them are freeken nutto's.

Originally Posted by Quaildog:
Originally Posted by direstraits:

First, old Squirrelly Dawg agrees that the trainer was in the wrong. Then, attributes the Uzi with a will from the laws of physics.  He can keep two diametrically opposed thoughts in his brain, at once.  And, still arrive at a silly conclusion, without logic.

I'll be willing to bet the goofy trainer was an NRA member.

like I've said before; I've hung around several gun shops and rolled my eyes around at the clientele bragging about guns. Most of them are freeken nutto's.


I truely believe that you are dumb enough to think that being a NRA member is equivalent to being a NRA trainer.  Based on your repeated misuse of the term "clip", I'd also believe the gun shop talk you speak of flew right over your flat and low browed head.

Originally Posted by jtdavis:

This is exactly what I'm talking about.  Anyone not in a union is a "scab".  Nothing but thuggery and intimidation. 

 

There are union workers,and nonunion workers.  They are both busting their butt trying to earn a living for them and their families.

Scab is someone who crosses a legal picket line or someone with a union book that works nonunion in their trade at times.

Exactly JT scab should never be a word  thrown around lightly and means exactly what you said.  This word still carrys weight in my field.

Originally Posted by jtdavis:

I don't want to take away guns.  I own rifles, shotguns, and pistols.  I think they are guns, somehow weapons don't seem like the right word.

Second amendments are being infringed on and have to be infringed on.  I see no need for a private citizen or club to own and operate fully automatic weapons.

Instead of a uzi, let her shoot a eight or ten gauge shotgun. It's just as appropiate.

We differ here as the hoops you have to step through to own a full automatic weapon are very adequate.  Just because you see no need for me to own something should not prevent me from owning it nor should the reverse be true, plenty of things I see no use for but do not want outlawed.  I like guns so shooting a automatic or belt fed weapon is fun but that is me.  I also enjoy high HP cars, airplanes and boats things others would get rid of also.


Darwinism knows no sex, race or political affiliation.....

 

I'm as gun nut as the next gun nut - but this was the instructors fault.  Keep in mind, this was a tourist trap, not a traditional range as you and I would think about.  I would be willing to bet that the parents had no clue about guns and trusted this 'instructor' to take care of everything.  

 

You really have to feel bad for the girl and her parents.  Even though it wasnt their fault, they have to live with witnessing it.

 

Listening to talk radio, the guest was a gun shop owner from Birmingham. Some guy called in and asked, "I have recently inherited two rifles. can I bring them in to your shop and get you to do maintaince on them? Also, could you tell me what caliber they are so I can buy some bullets for them?"

Does that guy really need any guns? Maybe the answer should have been to go to a school somewhere to learn to have and  use a gun.

Originally Posted by jtdavis:

Listening to talk radio, the guest was a gun shop owner from Birmingham. Some guy called in and asked, "I have recently inherited two rifles. can I bring them in to your shop and get you to do maintaince on them? Also, could you tell me what caliber they are so I can buy some bullets for them?"

Does that guy really need any guns? Maybe the answer should have been to go to a school somewhere to learn to have and  use a gun.

Sounds to me like that is exactly what he was doing?  Do you think the Jr College down the street teaches that?  The gun shops and ranges are where people go to learn to shoot.  

 

You would rather him guess on the ammo and then take the guns out in his back yard and shoot them without having a qualified, knowledgeable person check them out first?  Really?

 

As to whether he needs guns or not - is that your decision (or anyone elses) to make?  So far he sounds like he is trying to be a responsible gun owner - is that who you want to take gun rights away from?

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Originally Posted by dilligaff:

hoober;

No matter what happend to you in your  life,no matter how much you hate unions,democrats or anybody or anything. Nothing can justify a nine year old with a fully loaded  wepon !


Evidently you skipped right over my previous post, which is as follows:

 

"I do agree a 9 year old should have never been handed a full auto weapon.  However, how the NRA fits into all this is beyond me.  The NRA would never in a million years support what was happening before the accident.  They have the absolute best gun safety trainers in the world."

Originally Posted by jtdavis:

Listening to talk radio, the guest was a gun shop owner from Birmingham. Some guy called in and asked, "I have recently inherited two rifles. can I bring them in to your shop and get you to do maintaince on them? Also, could you tell me what caliber they are so I can buy some bullets for them?"

Does that guy really need any guns? Maybe the answer should have been to go to a school somewhere to learn to have and  use a gun.


I give you an older gun with no caliber markings.  Barrel appears to be around 0.3".  Which cartridge would you load from the short list of possibilities:  30-06 Springfield, 308 Winchester, 30-30 Winchester, 303 British, 300 Win Mag, 300 Win SSM, 300 Blackout,  300 H&H Magnum, 30 Remington, 303 Savage, 300 Weatherby mag, 30-40 Krag, 308 Marlin Express, 30 thompson center, 30 carbine, or 30 RAR?

Important to note, if you choose the wrong cartridge, you might just blow your face off.

Originally Posted by dilligaff:

hoober;

No matter what happend to you in your  life,no matter how much you hate unions,democrats or anybody or anything. Nothing can justify a nine year old with a fully loaded  wepon !


Hate and disagree are two different things.  That seems to be the go to argument for liberals.  If I disagree with something then it must be "hate".  Based on this logic, why do you hate republicans and scabs?

Originally Posted by jtdavis:

Some words are being overused nowdays. Three that come to mind are, love, hate and hero.  I like Alabama football, not love it.  I don't like Auburn, I don't hate them. A hero does something above and beyond what is expected of them.

If i'm wrong, sorry bout that.


I was told during basic training that a hero is a "dead soldier".

 

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