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3 mil? AU should match it. Although with the FL job open I would assume he would rather take it if he were interested in leaving.
Of course I hope he doesn't take any job right now, though I know he will some day and I'll wish him the best when he does... I think Chizik will be able to chat with him about taking a bad job out of the gate. Vandy will never be on a level playing field and I think Gus knows that and will want to go somewhere he can have a chance to win championships. Also, he has a daughter enrolled at Auburn, he is a family man and a Godly man and loves the atmosphere that promotes both at Auburn. I think he will hang around another year or 2.
He's going to be a hot commodity-no doubt about it. I am hearing a lot of talk that Mullen is expected to go to Florida and Malzahn to go to MSU. Basic reasoning is that Mullen has experience in Florida and head coaching experience and with Malzahn having limited college experience, being only 5 years removed from being a high school coach, he can take what Mullen has started there and build on it.
Personally, I think Florida should go with Malzahn. Give the man a shot-you might just be surprised.
Your thoughts?
Personally, I think Florida should go with Malzahn. Give the man a shot-you might just be surprised.
Your thoughts?
Where as I don't doubt Gus could do a good job there, Fla is in the position where they can go out and get a proven guy. I don't see them going with a coordinaor(see Ron Zook!!! lol)
If Miss State loses Mullen, no doubt they'll holler at Gus though. The offenses are similar so the type of talent Gus recruits may already be there to some extent. But I would find it hard to believe he would stay in the division if he leaves. Also, there may be a clause in his contract to that effect. Some ADs put the clause they can't quit to take a job in conference, but several put that stipulation in for in division. Gonna be a lot of drama if the carousel cranks up, that's for sure.
If Miss State loses Mullen, no doubt they'll holler at Gus though. The offenses are similar so the type of talent Gus recruits may already be there to some extent. But I would find it hard to believe he would stay in the division if he leaves. Also, there may be a clause in his contract to that effect. Some ADs put the clause they can't quit to take a job in conference, but several put that stipulation in for in division. Gonna be a lot of drama if the carousel cranks up, that's for sure.
this part of the story caught my eye....
so in other words, they offered and he turned it down, so they upped the money...interesting.
quote:Auburn coordinator Gus Malzahn, who was in town Wednesday, is thought to have received another offer from Vanderbilt that approaches the ballpark of $3 million per year. But if he continues to pass,
so in other words, they offered and he turned it down, so they upped the money...interesting.
Yeah, I agree with you on the Division provisions in contracts. That is one of the major reasons that I could not see him going to State, but Florida resolves that issue.
LOL, remember Florida took a lot of heat after Zook went to Illinos and turned that program around. Yeah, I know big difference between that conference and the SEC, but............stranger things have come into play. Remember ya'll took a lot of ribbing over the hiring of your current head coach, but who's laughing now!
Okay, I think we all agree that Malzahn is "hot" right now. I understand you want him to stay at AU. I would also if I were you, but odds are that he will be hired away. So where do you think he will go if he does leave?
LOL, remember Florida took a lot of heat after Zook went to Illinos and turned that program around. Yeah, I know big difference between that conference and the SEC, but............stranger things have come into play. Remember ya'll took a lot of ribbing over the hiring of your current head coach, but who's laughing now!
Okay, I think we all agree that Malzahn is "hot" right now. I understand you want him to stay at AU. I would also if I were you, but odds are that he will be hired away. So where do you think he will go if he does leave?
I'm hearing the actually number is 1.6, with excentives it could get to as high as 3. So, that may make it a little less attractive.
HMMM???? Is he taking Trer nd Cam also. Ole Geno might cry!
quote:Originally posted by MountainMan:
HMMM???? Is he taking Trer nd Cam also. Ole Geno might cry!
maybe if he knew what that was supposed to mean.
quote:Originally posted by uwsoftball:
Yeah, I agree with you on the Division provisions in contracts. That is one of the major reasons that I could not see him going to State, but Florida resolves that issue.
LOL, remember Florida took a lot of heat after Zook went to Illinos and turned that program around. Yeah, I know big difference between that conference and the SEC, but............stranger things have come into play. Remember ya'll took a lot of ribbing over the hiring of your current head coach, but who's laughing now!
Okay, I think we all agree that Malzahn is "hot" right now. I understand you want him to stay at AU. I would also if I were you, but odds are that he will be hired away. So where do you think he will go if he does leave?
Just from listening to him, I honestly don't think it will be this year. But as we've seen, coaches words flutter in the breeze most of the time. lol
But if he does go, I think he is smart enough to make sure it is a place he knows he can legitimately compete. That's why I think Vandy is a big time long shot. If the Arkansas job(even though in division) came up, I think he'd be interested since that's his home state. As for openings now... I just don't see anything that fits. Of course I'm speculating just off of the multitude of interviews I've seen with him. But he's a different cat. The family talk is scoffed at a lot when it comes to Auburn. But these guys really mean it. And like I mentioned, he and his wife LOVE Auburn. I think it takes a pretty prestigous job for him to leave anytime soon.
Also, he is a mad scientist when it comes to offensive play creating and calling. Taking that head gig will take some of that freedom of time away. I truely think he likes the situation he is in because Chizik completely leaves the O up to him. He has full reign, and a recruiting hot spot. Auburn can pull talent, and it's only getting better with every big offensive game the Tigers put up. So much plays into it.
He will leave within the next 3 years IMO...but my gut says it's closer to the end of that span than the beginning.
But once again... when it comes to coaches... WHO KNOWS??? lol
PR, good points all. But you have to admit that if it takes a "pretty prestigous job" then Florida might just attract his attention.
Again, I think if I was Florida I would give him a "look" before I went elsewhere.
Again, I think if I was Florida I would give him a "look" before I went elsewhere.
Malzahn's offense is only as good as personnel.
He ain't-a-gonna have that personnel at Vandy.
Auburn, with or without, Newton will never again be able to near their attainments with this same offense.
He ain't-a-gonna have that personnel at Vandy.
Auburn, with or without, Newton will never again be able to near their attainments with this same offense.
quote:Originally posted by longawaiting:
Malzahn's offense is only as good as personnel.
He ain't-a-gonna have that personnel at Vandy.
Auburn, with or without, Newton will never again be able to near their attainments with this same offense.
Gus's offense broke school records last year. with Chris Todd. enough said.
quote:Originally posted by uwsoftball:
PR, good points all. But you have to admit that if it takes a "pretty prestigous job" then Florida might just attract his attention.
Again, I think if I was Florida I would give him a "look" before I went elsewhere.
Oh, no doubt.. If Florida offered him and he turned it down, I'd be the first one on this forum calling him an idiot!!! LOL
Like I stated though, Florida is one of the top coaching jobs in the country, thus their AD can be real picky. I see them going towards a proven head guy because they have the talent to win next year with the right hire. No need for them to make a risky hire.
And like I also said, if he took the Vandy job, wouldn't shock me completely. These guys have egos, no doubt. They have too to keep that competitvie edge i think. I've seen some folks bash Saban for it, but I think that's what gives him his edge. He truely believes that losing is beneath him, and that's why he puts in the hard work and long hours to give his team every chance to be successful. So could Malzahn be thinkin..."Man... if I ever won the east at Vandy, I'd immediately be considered the best coach in the country."... maybe so. He wants to be a head coach, but I take his word for it when he says he is in no hurry. To take the Vandy job would go against that IMO.
quote:Originally posted by adamryan1121:quote:Originally posted by longawaiting:
Malzahn's offense is only as good as personnel.
He ain't-a-gonna have that personnel at Vandy.
Auburn, with or without, Newton will never again be able to near their attainments with this same offense.
Gus's offense broke school records last year. with Chris Todd. enough said.
I was about to type that exact same reply til I saw your post!! lol
he put up big numbers at Tulsa as well. With that being said...it is a gimmicky spread offense. Most blue chip recruits want to play in a pro-style offense to prepare them for the NFL. If you subscribe to recruiting websites like I do, you would know this from their interviews. Some want to play in a spread and AU has been good at recruiting to their system. Alot of those players that are contributing this year were recruited and/or signed by Tuberville.
See Shoals.. I have no problem with that post because that's your opinion. I disagree with it, but see how easy it is to just disagree with me without the personal junk?
And actually, if you know football, you know that Malzahn runs a 2 back, power running, playaction offense, with some triple option mixed in. It just happens to be out of the shotgun 99% of the time. He uses misdirection and motion to throw the defense off, but that's smart. The forward pass was considered gimmicky at one time. The triple option also. Will it ever work in the NFL? Who knows? There aren't any NFL coaches who run it. But I do know that the Patriots ran almost exclusively out of the shotgun the year they went 19-1. I would consider that "the spread". Worked pretty good for them.
The spread is more about getting playmakers the ball in space so they have more one on one situations. Teams in the NFL do that a lot, just not as an offensive system so to speak. We'll see more and more aspects of it sneaking into the pros as we move forward. Whether or not a full fledged "spread offense" is ever run, depends on if an organization takes the risk to hire a "spread" coach.
As for the blue chip recruits. Auburn has done pretty dang good recruiting since Chizik took over. Athletes want to have the opportunity to make plays. This offense gives them that chance.
And actually, if you know football, you know that Malzahn runs a 2 back, power running, playaction offense, with some triple option mixed in. It just happens to be out of the shotgun 99% of the time. He uses misdirection and motion to throw the defense off, but that's smart. The forward pass was considered gimmicky at one time. The triple option also. Will it ever work in the NFL? Who knows? There aren't any NFL coaches who run it. But I do know that the Patriots ran almost exclusively out of the shotgun the year they went 19-1. I would consider that "the spread". Worked pretty good for them.
The spread is more about getting playmakers the ball in space so they have more one on one situations. Teams in the NFL do that a lot, just not as an offensive system so to speak. We'll see more and more aspects of it sneaking into the pros as we move forward. Whether or not a full fledged "spread offense" is ever run, depends on if an organization takes the risk to hire a "spread" coach.
As for the blue chip recruits. Auburn has done pretty dang good recruiting since Chizik took over. Athletes want to have the opportunity to make plays. This offense gives them that chance.
quote:Originally posted by Shoalsarea:
Alot of those players that are contributing this year were recruited and/or signed by Tuberville.
of course they were. Chizik/Gus have only been at Auburn for 2 years.
BUT...
Chizik was hired 12/13/2008. his first recruiting class included (yes, i know CTT was a part of that, but Chizik was there when they signed) Lutz, Fairley (out of JUCO), McCalebb (out of JUCO), Nosa, Bates, Demond (JUCO), and Emory. all major players this year. last years class included lemonier (all-freshman team) and of course Dyer and Cam.
and just because it happend today, Chizik and co picked up a commitment from the #6 OG in the nation (#4 player in louisiana). not to mention quite a few other top players.
to further your point adamryan, Bama's 12-2 2008 team and 2009 championship team were comprised of almost all Shula recruits. Haven't heard one person givin that dude any props recently... lol
It's not always about the stars next to the kids names. I've said that many many many times. I could name you several "can't miss" guys that were busts for Auburn, just as I could name you several 2 or 3 star guys that all NFL starters right now. It's about coaching, that players ability to handle good coaching, and the up-side to the player more than it is about rivals giving him 5 stars or 2 stars.
Karlos Dansby was a 2* wide receiver out of high school....NFL pro bowl line backer
Ben Grubbs was a 2* tight end out of high school.... 1st round pick by the Ravens at guard
Jay Ratliff was a 3* tight end out of high school... NFL pro bowl nose guard for the Cowboys.
Rashad Johnson for Bama was a no talent walk on... yet ended his Bama career as an all SEC safety and plays in the NFL now.
It's not always about what rivals.com thinks of a guy.
It's not always about the stars next to the kids names. I've said that many many many times. I could name you several "can't miss" guys that were busts for Auburn, just as I could name you several 2 or 3 star guys that all NFL starters right now. It's about coaching, that players ability to handle good coaching, and the up-side to the player more than it is about rivals giving him 5 stars or 2 stars.
Karlos Dansby was a 2* wide receiver out of high school....NFL pro bowl line backer
Ben Grubbs was a 2* tight end out of high school.... 1st round pick by the Ravens at guard
Jay Ratliff was a 3* tight end out of high school... NFL pro bowl nose guard for the Cowboys.
Rashad Johnson for Bama was a no talent walk on... yet ended his Bama career as an all SEC safety and plays in the NFL now.
It's not always about what rivals.com thinks of a guy.
Adam, alot of those guys you named were recruited by Tuberville and Chizik's staff was able to hold on to them. Chizik had a decent recruiting year last year & I've read alot recently about some of the tactics they used. They had a good haul last year. This year will depend on how they finish.
Spidey, I am not a big proponent of star ranking either but...the difference is more 4 & 5-star guys seem to pan out better than some lower rated recruits. I know we can name several lower rated recruits who should have been rated higher or ended up being better than others but for the most part...you get what I'm saying. I always thought Tubby and his staff did a good job of getting some of those lower rated recruits and coaching them up.
Also, nobody ever said Shula couldn't recruit...he did a decent job in that department considering the constant turmoil Bama was in. The problem with Shula was conditioning, strength, discipline, and part coaching.
Spidey, I am not a big proponent of star ranking either but...the difference is more 4 & 5-star guys seem to pan out better than some lower rated recruits. I know we can name several lower rated recruits who should have been rated higher or ended up being better than others but for the most part...you get what I'm saying. I always thought Tubby and his staff did a good job of getting some of those lower rated recruits and coaching them up.
Also, nobody ever said Shula couldn't recruit...he did a decent job in that department considering the constant turmoil Bama was in. The problem with Shula was conditioning, strength, discipline, and part coaching.
quote:Originally posted by Peter Rielly:
Karlos Dansby was a 2* wide receiver out of high school....NFL pro bowl line backer
Ben Grubbs was a 2* tight end out of high school.... 1st round pick by the Ravens at guard
Jay Ratliff was a 3* tight end out of high school... NFL pro bowl nose guard for the Cowboys.
Not trying to be smart but, Grubbs was at least a 3-star defensive end coming out of high school but that doesn't matter. Seems like Dnsby was rated higher but I am not sure on that one.
I don't know which New England team you watched...but I didnt see them in shotgun 99% of the time. NFL is more under center...which is why ALOT of top recruits choose to play college at a school that runs a pro style offense. I have heard of several college spread guys dropping in the draft because they were never under center (see Tebow...one of the greatest ever) or never played with a hand on the ground (Oline). It doesn't affect draft status of receivers/backs as much that I can tell. Also, just b/c you are in shotgun...doesn't mean you are running the spread. It is entertaining...but it is not a brand of football that I would want at the school I pull for. Just my personal preference.
Gus is a good enough coach to wait for the right job. Vandy would be a major mistake for Gus. I think his current boss could give him some solid advice on taking your first head coaching job at a dead end program.
Well now........
So Muschamp is now in at Florida. I never saw that coming. I thought Texas had him locked in and it would be point less to even try.
So PR, looks like you just got an early Christmas present. Mullen should still be at State and unless Malzahn takes a position in another conference he'll be back at Auburn.
Your thoughts?
So Muschamp is now in at Florida. I never saw that coming. I thought Texas had him locked in and it would be point less to even try.
So PR, looks like you just got an early Christmas present. Mullen should still be at State and unless Malzahn takes a position in another conference he'll be back at Auburn.
Your thoughts?
I'm pretty shocked that Florida got Muschamp. He's a good D guy, but so was Zook. Seems like a risk they didn't have to take IMO. I look for him to start tryin to cherry pick some other SEC assts. Rumor has it that he is already after Kirby Smart to run the D. Odd hire to me though.
And I hear Vandy is really puttin the full court press on Malzahn. I report leaked that he had taken the job, but it has now been said otherwise. I would love for Auburn to keep this staff as intact as possible. but if Malzahn goes, I see Chizik promoting Taylor to Off Coordinator.
And I hear Vandy is really puttin the full court press on Malzahn. I report leaked that he had taken the job, but it has now been said otherwise. I would love for Auburn to keep this staff as intact as possible. but if Malzahn goes, I see Chizik promoting Taylor to Off Coordinator.
I can't remember which Vandy coach it was, but on his way out he passed some words of wisdom to his replacement.
"You can't win here".
Gus made the wise choice. Big paycheck and fired after a few years of losing, or build a career with a winning program?
"You can't win here".
Gus made the wise choice. Big paycheck and fired after a few years of losing, or build a career with a winning program?
I was surprised that UF went with Muschamp. I thought they would at least get someone with some HC experience. I would think the UF job was one of the better jobs in the country. Don't get me wrong, Muschamp may turn out to be great, but being a headcoach is not nearly the same as being a coordinator. They seemed to have "rolled the dice", and only time will tell if they rolled a seven or "snake eyes". 
Gus Malzahn is gonna get a lot of looks from people all over the country. After Auburn's success this year, it's inevitable. I don't think the Vandy decision was so much about money as it was about their commitment to their program. It does no good to pay a HC the "big bucks" but not pay assistants and have crappy facilities. You're setting him up to fail. Of course everything is relative, a couple of 6-7 win seasons and bowl games, and they might name a street after him.
Gus Malzahn is gonna get a lot of looks from people all over the country. After Auburn's success this year, it's inevitable. I don't think the Vandy decision was so much about money as it was about their commitment to their program. It does no good to pay a HC the "big bucks" but not pay assistants and have crappy facilities. You're setting him up to fail. Of course everything is relative, a couple of 6-7 win seasons and bowl games, and they might name a street after him.
quote:Rumor has it that he is already after Kirby Smart to run the D. Odd hire to me though
Really? I haven't heard that one yet. But, did they not work together sometime in the past??
Yeah uw... That is rumored to be his first choice for D-coordinator. Bama has a lot of assistants up for other jobs right now... I was shocked to see the long list of guys that may be leaving. But that comes with success. If folks want the assistant coaches from your favorite team, then you are typically happy about the season your team had...(except for Muschamp and Texas this year... lol).
I was told last night there was a report that Gus had taken the job... I was like "WTF"????? lol... turned out to be the same type of "report" that did most of the story breaking in the Cam Newton case... it was a blog entry that got reported on the AL.com website. hahaha.
I was told last night there was a report that Gus had taken the job... I was like "WTF"????? lol... turned out to be the same type of "report" that did most of the story breaking in the Cam Newton case... it was a blog entry that got reported on the AL.com website. hahaha.
LOL, PR, LOL....you got that right!!!!!!!!!
So what odds are you giving on Muschamp giving Gus a call for the "O" job at Florida, and if not Gus, who do you see?
Got to go to a ballgame-will sign on later to read your thoughts!
So what odds are you giving on Muschamp giving Gus a call for the "O" job at Florida, and if not Gus, who do you see?
Got to go to a ballgame-will sign on later to read your thoughts!
That wouldn't shock me at all. Florida can offer as much money as they want that's for sure. I'm thinkin Auburn would match it. There have been some saying that Auburn has signed Gus to an extention already... It's rumor and not fact right now, but it's in the neighborhood of 3 to 5 years and 1 mil per. If that's the case he would be the highest paid coordinator in the nation I believe. I'm hopin it's true, but time will tell.
I'm very interested to see where Muschamp goes with the offense. Does he stay with the spread or disassemble and start over? I don't think they have "traditional" players right now so I would think he just tries to fix the O with what they got. I'm sure Gus would be at the top of his wish list, but would Florida want that tie to Auburn/Cam? Doubt it. There are tons of folks outright writing stories of sour grapes comin from Gainsville. From the possible leak of Cam's academics(which is a federal crime), to Urban Meyer being the only voting SEC coach to have Auburn at #2, to Foley and Florida announcing the hire just before the Heisman presentation(some think to upstage Cam and Auburn). I think it will be quite the atmosphere when the Gators come up to Jordan Hare next year... what do you think?? LOL
But also, you'd have to think that Florida would want a coordinator that they don't have to worry about jumpin ship really early. Gus' name isn't going away in terms of head coaching jobs any time soon. My guess is they look for someone they can feel confident in holding on to for a while. Some thought Major Applewhite would be Texas' new O coordinator, but maybe Muschamp can lure him to Florida if he liked him during their time together on the Longhorns' staff. I would've guessed possibly Oklahoma State's O coordinator Dana Holgorsen would be a good fit for the personell, but he is up for the Pitt job... also rumored that West Virginia is looking to snag him. So he's out. My guess is, Florida's next O coordinator comes out of the Big 12 somewhere. Just because Muschamp is so familiar with those offenses, and because it is a "spread" happy conference. He CANNOT miss on any hire... Florida has to win right away or there will be a "FireMuschamp.com" website up quick as a hiccup.
Have fun at your ballgame!!
ps...Don't be shocked to hear Trooper Taylor or Curtis Luper's names come up too.... They were both at Oklahoma State pre-Auburn, both have studied under Malzahn for 2 years, and Trooper Taylor has an admitted "man-crush" of Gus... he LOVES his offense. lol... Hope I'm wrong, but that's a possibility too. And one that would be tough for either to turn down.
I'm very interested to see where Muschamp goes with the offense. Does he stay with the spread or disassemble and start over? I don't think they have "traditional" players right now so I would think he just tries to fix the O with what they got. I'm sure Gus would be at the top of his wish list, but would Florida want that tie to Auburn/Cam? Doubt it. There are tons of folks outright writing stories of sour grapes comin from Gainsville. From the possible leak of Cam's academics(which is a federal crime), to Urban Meyer being the only voting SEC coach to have Auburn at #2, to Foley and Florida announcing the hire just before the Heisman presentation(some think to upstage Cam and Auburn). I think it will be quite the atmosphere when the Gators come up to Jordan Hare next year... what do you think?? LOL
But also, you'd have to think that Florida would want a coordinator that they don't have to worry about jumpin ship really early. Gus' name isn't going away in terms of head coaching jobs any time soon. My guess is they look for someone they can feel confident in holding on to for a while. Some thought Major Applewhite would be Texas' new O coordinator, but maybe Muschamp can lure him to Florida if he liked him during their time together on the Longhorns' staff. I would've guessed possibly Oklahoma State's O coordinator Dana Holgorsen would be a good fit for the personell, but he is up for the Pitt job... also rumored that West Virginia is looking to snag him. So he's out. My guess is, Florida's next O coordinator comes out of the Big 12 somewhere. Just because Muschamp is so familiar with those offenses, and because it is a "spread" happy conference. He CANNOT miss on any hire... Florida has to win right away or there will be a "FireMuschamp.com" website up quick as a hiccup.
Have fun at your ballgame!!
ps...Don't be shocked to hear Trooper Taylor or Curtis Luper's names come up too.... They were both at Oklahoma State pre-Auburn, both have studied under Malzahn for 2 years, and Trooper Taylor has an admitted "man-crush" of Gus... he LOVES his offense. lol... Hope I'm wrong, but that's a possibility too. And one that would be tough for either to turn down.
Some good thoughts there Peter.
Some of my Auburn friends are posting links to ESPN on facebook that "sources confirm" (for what that's worth) the Gus is staying with an increase in salary to 1.3 million. If true, I think that's a very wise decision on his part. I hate it for me, but....... LOL
Applewhite??? hmmmm I really was not that impressed with him at Bama or at Texas. I just don't think that, overall, he is SEC material. I don't think Muschamp is a fan either.
Trooper? Nahhhh.....he's so beloved at Auburn it would be foolish for him to make a move at this point. Dang, he's close to getting a street named after him LOL. I think the students would go freaking nuts if your AD lets him get away and I think he knows it. I've heard more kids come back from a visit at Auburn and say the hi-light of the trip was meeting Trooper than anything else.
I believe you are right. It's going to take someone very knowledgeable with the spread and hard nosed enough to come in and straighten out the Florida "O". I think that while Florida will make some adjustment they are not going to stray that far from the spread. It's a dangerous offense. In all possible meanings LOL. With the right players and the right calls at the correct time and it's "whooo hooo here we go". Make the wrong calls and "ruh roo Shaggy".
I'll go as far as saying it's someone that's not even on our radar at this point. I agree we need to look around the Big 12 and their opponents.
Our game tonight? Well it kinda reminded me of the Iron Bowl. We played really good the first two periods. Then at half time the other team made some adjustments and.....well, you know the rest of the story LOL
What are you hearing now?
Some of my Auburn friends are posting links to ESPN on facebook that "sources confirm" (for what that's worth) the Gus is staying with an increase in salary to 1.3 million. If true, I think that's a very wise decision on his part. I hate it for me, but....... LOL
Applewhite??? hmmmm I really was not that impressed with him at Bama or at Texas. I just don't think that, overall, he is SEC material. I don't think Muschamp is a fan either.
Trooper? Nahhhh.....he's so beloved at Auburn it would be foolish for him to make a move at this point. Dang, he's close to getting a street named after him LOL. I think the students would go freaking nuts if your AD lets him get away and I think he knows it. I've heard more kids come back from a visit at Auburn and say the hi-light of the trip was meeting Trooper than anything else.
I believe you are right. It's going to take someone very knowledgeable with the spread and hard nosed enough to come in and straighten out the Florida "O". I think that while Florida will make some adjustment they are not going to stray that far from the spread. It's a dangerous offense. In all possible meanings LOL. With the right players and the right calls at the correct time and it's "whooo hooo here we go". Make the wrong calls and "ruh roo Shaggy".
I'll go as far as saying it's someone that's not even on our radar at this point. I agree we need to look around the Big 12 and their opponents.
Our game tonight? Well it kinda reminded me of the Iron Bowl. We played really good the first two periods. Then at half time the other team made some adjustments and.....well, you know the rest of the story LOL
What are you hearing now?
Kirby Smart has definately been offered the DC job, and ESPN's college football Twitter actually posted that he was taking it. But that was last night and there is still no confirmation of that.
As for Applewhite... You are correct about his time at Bama. That was never a good fit. I still think he will be a name to look out for though.
Also, you are correct about Trooper Taylor. He is an extremely valuable asset in terms of recruiting. Also, the WR play has been it's best I've seen from Auburn at least since '05. He's done a really good job with those guys. I think he stays around until Gus leaves, then I think he gets an interview for a promotion. If he don't get it, he'll follow Gus.
Sorry about your game... I played on a few teams back in the day... we just tried dodge the mercy rule being used on us. LOL
As for Applewhite... You are correct about his time at Bama. That was never a good fit. I still think he will be a name to look out for though.
Also, you are correct about Trooper Taylor. He is an extremely valuable asset in terms of recruiting. Also, the WR play has been it's best I've seen from Auburn at least since '05. He's done a really good job with those guys. I think he stays around until Gus leaves, then I think he gets an interview for a promotion. If he don't get it, he'll follow Gus.
Sorry about your game... I played on a few teams back in the day... we just tried dodge the mercy rule being used on us. LOL
A few thoughts after reading this past few messages:
1. Kirby has NOT been offically offered DC @ UF. I'm sure it has been discussed privately between the two of them but no offical offer. He is expected to stay at Bama.
2. Why would Trooper or Luper's name come up? They have never been coordinators to my knowledge. Trooper is an attention hound. they would both have to work their way up before being named a coordinator at a place like UF.
3. I have read several articles lately about their recruiting methods. Shady...and what makes them "great recruiters"? I just don't see it, maybe after this year.
4. Muschamp will run a pro-style offense. Was their ever any doubt. If you listened to his press conference sounded alot like Saban.
5. Gus will have more opportunites as time moves closer to BCS NC game. Heard from an inside source that he was actually eyeing the Ball St position.....why, I do not know lol.
6. Spread...Spread...Spread. Just b/c you get in shotgun does not make you a spread team. The "Spread" is nothing more than Wing-T! Same basic principles, just spread out with different formations. Some teams actually run other offenses out of shotgun (Air Raid, Run-N-Shoot) Different philosophies.
1. Kirby has NOT been offically offered DC @ UF. I'm sure it has been discussed privately between the two of them but no offical offer. He is expected to stay at Bama.
2. Why would Trooper or Luper's name come up? They have never been coordinators to my knowledge. Trooper is an attention hound. they would both have to work their way up before being named a coordinator at a place like UF.
3. I have read several articles lately about their recruiting methods. Shady...and what makes them "great recruiters"? I just don't see it, maybe after this year.
4. Muschamp will run a pro-style offense. Was their ever any doubt. If you listened to his press conference sounded alot like Saban.
5. Gus will have more opportunites as time moves closer to BCS NC game. Heard from an inside source that he was actually eyeing the Ball St position.....why, I do not know lol.
6. Spread...Spread...Spread. Just b/c you get in shotgun does not make you a spread team. The "Spread" is nothing more than Wing-T! Same basic principles, just spread out with different formations. Some teams actually run other offenses out of shotgun (Air Raid, Run-N-Shoot) Different philosophies.
1. You are right about Smart that he hasn't been officially offered. And the only reason he would leave would be to get out of Saban's shadow. Other than that, it's a lateral move.
2. A lot of guys get coordinator jobs who weren't previously coordinator's. See James Willis at Texas Tech. He was nothing more than the LBs coach for Tubberville and Saban, and he got the job as DC for Tubbs at Tech. Trooper Taylor was the co-offensive coordinator and WR coach at Oklahoma State, and is the WR Coach and asst. head coach at Auburn. Luper was the running backs coach at Oklahoma State and is at Auburn, along with recruiting coordinator. The same way coordinators get head coaching jobs, position coaches get coordinator jobs, and both of these guys have been important cogs in some pretty impressive offenses, wouldnt you agree?
3. A Bama fan talking about "shadey" recruiting methods??? You realize that there are a few "Saban rules" that the NCAA has adopted due to the toeing of the line of those rules right? All good recruiters get that tag at some point or another. Don't bash one set while looking past your team. Coach Troop is a young, entergetic African American guy. He can connect with the kids easily and naturally. 80% of recruits are African American males and that is important. But the best thing about him is he is beloved by all the recruits no matter their race. He treats his WRs like family, and recruits love to see the "family" pic of him and his WRs on his desk when they visit.
4. IDK what kind of O he will run in terms of traditional vs spread... Like I said, I see a Big 12 guy comin in who does a good mix.
5. Gus ain't goin anywhere after this season. That book is closed for now.
6. Coach Malzahn's spread is a 2-back, downhill running team with misdirection and motion, and playaction passing. If you watch a "pro-style" offense, he runs the same formations, just in the shotgun. He runs I-formation...just out of the shotgun. He runs strong/weak I... just out of the shotgun. The run iso plays, dive plays, power sweeps and traps with guards pullin all over the place. Most "spread" teams run straight zone blocking and QB zone option. Gus uses some of that too, but not as his primary set. He runs traditional plays out of the shotgun. He has done a great job of incorperating just about every type of offense in his system.
2. A lot of guys get coordinator jobs who weren't previously coordinator's. See James Willis at Texas Tech. He was nothing more than the LBs coach for Tubberville and Saban, and he got the job as DC for Tubbs at Tech. Trooper Taylor was the co-offensive coordinator and WR coach at Oklahoma State, and is the WR Coach and asst. head coach at Auburn. Luper was the running backs coach at Oklahoma State and is at Auburn, along with recruiting coordinator. The same way coordinators get head coaching jobs, position coaches get coordinator jobs, and both of these guys have been important cogs in some pretty impressive offenses, wouldnt you agree?
3. A Bama fan talking about "shadey" recruiting methods??? You realize that there are a few "Saban rules" that the NCAA has adopted due to the toeing of the line of those rules right? All good recruiters get that tag at some point or another. Don't bash one set while looking past your team. Coach Troop is a young, entergetic African American guy. He can connect with the kids easily and naturally. 80% of recruits are African American males and that is important. But the best thing about him is he is beloved by all the recruits no matter their race. He treats his WRs like family, and recruits love to see the "family" pic of him and his WRs on his desk when they visit.
4. IDK what kind of O he will run in terms of traditional vs spread... Like I said, I see a Big 12 guy comin in who does a good mix.
5. Gus ain't goin anywhere after this season. That book is closed for now.
6. Coach Malzahn's spread is a 2-back, downhill running team with misdirection and motion, and playaction passing. If you watch a "pro-style" offense, he runs the same formations, just in the shotgun. He runs I-formation...just out of the shotgun. He runs strong/weak I... just out of the shotgun. The run iso plays, dive plays, power sweeps and traps with guards pullin all over the place. Most "spread" teams run straight zone blocking and QB zone option. Gus uses some of that too, but not as his primary set. He runs traditional plays out of the shotgun. He has done a great job of incorperating just about every type of offense in his system.
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1. Agreed..lateral move to be under another Saban protege's shadow. I dont care if he does leave as long as Sunseri stays.
2. Are you sure about Troop? Gundy was his own OC until this year. Troop may have been one in title only which is probably the case. I know very well how coaches progress to other job titles. My point was that UF wouldn't be the place to learn. James Willis had spent alot of time with Tubby & knew his system (is TT a "big job" anyway...b/c that was my point). I don't know how important Troop or Luper is to their offense...I'm not there at practice everyday or in the booth/sidelines on games. They are important to AU recruiting.
3. Saban does push boundaries and there are secondary violations occuring alot all over the country. I am talking about their methods. Ask marcus Lattimore's mom about the "connection" he made with her son. Also, next year, when AU misses out on one of the top QBs in the country (from Hueytown)...wont you wonder why he didnt really consider AU. Ask Troop.
4. Pro style...stated in news conf.
5. The book is not closed yet...why do you even care? You obviously have a strong affinity for Troop anyway.
6. True, my point was that not everybody in shotgun is a spread team.
And one more thing about recruiting....I dont think cheating in recruiting is as prevalent as some people think it is OR colleges are better at hiding it. If you do something wrong in this day and age, it is all over the media. Who knows.
1. Agreed..lateral move to be under another Saban protege's shadow. I dont care if he does leave as long as Sunseri stays.
2. Are you sure about Troop? Gundy was his own OC until this year. Troop may have been one in title only which is probably the case. I know very well how coaches progress to other job titles. My point was that UF wouldn't be the place to learn. James Willis had spent alot of time with Tubby & knew his system (is TT a "big job" anyway...b/c that was my point). I don't know how important Troop or Luper is to their offense...I'm not there at practice everyday or in the booth/sidelines on games. They are important to AU recruiting.
3. Saban does push boundaries and there are secondary violations occuring alot all over the country. I am talking about their methods. Ask marcus Lattimore's mom about the "connection" he made with her son. Also, next year, when AU misses out on one of the top QBs in the country (from Hueytown)...wont you wonder why he didnt really consider AU. Ask Troop.
4. Pro style...stated in news conf.
5. The book is not closed yet...why do you even care? You obviously have a strong affinity for Troop anyway.
6. True, my point was that not everybody in shotgun is a spread team.
And one more thing about recruiting....I dont think cheating in recruiting is as prevalent as some people think it is OR colleges are better at hiding it. If you do something wrong in this day and age, it is all over the media. Who knows.
Not every kid likes every recruiter or their methods. That goes for every coach that hits the trail. The only ones I care about in the end, are the ones who sign with Auburn. If a guy doesn't choose or even consider Auburn, don't matter a hill of beans to me as to why. I only want to watch the guys suit up for Auburn who want to play for Auburn.
I think cheating is still VERY PREVALENT overall in recruting and compesation while the kids are enrolled.. Just not from the coaches as used to be the case back in the day. I hate it, and it's sad... but it's a sad fact.
ps...that top QB(who I don't know since I don't really get into recruiting until after the season is done, and then it's only that year's class I concern myself with)...he probably wouldnt be high on Auburn anyway since Kiehl Frazier will be signing in Feb '11. He committed a while back and can't wait to play for Gus. That kid is a stud from what I've seen, and if Cam goes pro, Frazier will have a great chance to take over the starting role.
I think cheating is still VERY PREVALENT overall in recruting and compesation while the kids are enrolled.. Just not from the coaches as used to be the case back in the day. I hate it, and it's sad... but it's a sad fact.
ps...that top QB(who I don't know since I don't really get into recruiting until after the season is done, and then it's only that year's class I concern myself with)...he probably wouldnt be high on Auburn anyway since Kiehl Frazier will be signing in Feb '11. He committed a while back and can't wait to play for Gus. That kid is a stud from what I've seen, and if Cam goes pro, Frazier will have a great chance to take over the starting role.
Spidey, if you have a national, top-5 QB, in state...you would at least like to be considered. Trooper ruined it, but anyway. As for Kiehl Frazier...he will be a good fit for AU since he runs Malzahn's O in high school. He probably does have a good chance at taking over b/c the other QBs on Au roster are not very good. I guarantee you that AU will sign another QB in next year's class. Most sign one every year b/c you never know what will happen.
As for the 2012 Qb from Hueytown, I doubt he would be afraid of competition. He is considering Bama and we signed the nation's #1 QB last year (Sims) and McCarron will still be there. What happened with AU was that Troop was telling the kid how great one of the programs (not Socioology lol)is at Au. The kid called him out on it b/c Au doesnt have that program.
I keep up with recruiting year round and hear some about AU from people in my company. Some schools sell themselves and others use negative recruitng tactics against others. Craig Sanders is a classic example. He was told by the Au staff that he would never see the field at Bama. Saban's response, "So your gonna let them tell you that your not good enough to play here!" I guess he did.
As for the 2012 Qb from Hueytown, I doubt he would be afraid of competition. He is considering Bama and we signed the nation's #1 QB last year (Sims) and McCarron will still be there. What happened with AU was that Troop was telling the kid how great one of the programs (not Socioology lol)is at Au. The kid called him out on it b/c Au doesnt have that program.
I keep up with recruiting year round and hear some about AU from people in my company. Some schools sell themselves and others use negative recruitng tactics against others. Craig Sanders is a classic example. He was told by the Au staff that he would never see the field at Bama. Saban's response, "So your gonna let them tell you that your not good enough to play here!" I guess he did.
quote:Originally posted by longawaiting:
Malzahn's offense is only as good as personnel.
He ain't-a-gonna have that personnel at Vandy.
Auburn, with or without, Newton will never again be able to near their attainments with this same offense.
Not so fast my friend!!!
Do you realise AUburn has another QB committed made out of the same mold as Cam? Kile Frasier is setting High School records even Cam could not achieve, and almost identical in looks, I predict he will be the starter next season at AU, You do realise Auburn had a top 5 recruiting class last year and is shapping up to have another top recruiting class in 2011, auburn is a team to be reckoned with for many year as long as they keep this current staff.