In this picture we see the comparison of Ching Moo in China, with the mother and child of Babylonian origin.
The "Hail Mary" of a Protestant is powerful!---( A True Story)
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EX,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,What ever you want to think go with it, you being wrong doesn't
change anything. The child was cured through the power of God.
Complain to God that you're upset with the way he handles his creation.
Tell Jesus you don't like what's going on here and stop curing people.
Tell Jesus he was adoped and his Mother is actually Isis, queen of the nile.
You can't comprehend any of this, so carry on with your imaginary world
so you can tell a few billion people what they believe.
The plan of God has been exsisting in real time for I don't know how many
thousand years. Thank Jesus you're here to straighten this out.
"There is no exortation to worship Mary in the new testament."
I already TOLD you, Catholics don't WORSHIP Mary, they HONOR her. Big difference.
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if you pray to her, and give her credit for acting on that prayer, build shrines to her, and exalt her, you are worshipping her.
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Wrong again. We don't PRAY to her, we TALK to her, the same way I already told you I sometimes talk to my late husband. We ask HER to pray for us. And we HONOR her, we do not worship her. Micelangelo made a very powerful statue of David. Does that mean he WORSHIPED David? No, he was HONORING David. If you can't see the difference then I can't make you see it. But there IS a HUGE difference.
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You say, "We don't PRAY to her, we TALK to her, the same way I already told you I sometimes talk to my late husband."
Give me a BREAK!! You might not pray to her, but these Catholics certainly do. All the links below are from Catholic sources and all of them document that without question Catholics DO pray to Mary. Care to modify your claim?.:
http://www.catholic.org/prayers/prayer.php?s=31
http://www.marypages.com/PrayerstoMary.htm
http://www.ourladyweb.com/mary-prayers.html
"Some Popular Catholic Prayers and Prayers to Mary"
http://webcatolicodejavier.org/english/mary.html
"PRAYERS TO THE VIRGIN MARY"
http://www.beginningcatholic.c...-to-virgin-mary.html
"From the Church's beginnings, prayers to Virgin Mary have held a place of honor for Catholics."
"Hail, Holy Queen, Mother of Mercy; hail, our life, our sweetness and our hope. To you we cry, poor banished children of Eve, to you we send up our sighs, mourning and weeping in this valley of tears. Turn then, O most gracious advocate, your eyes of mercy towards us, and after this our exile, show us the blessed fruit of your womb, Jesus. O clement, O loving, O sweet Virgin Mary." IF THIS IS NOT A PRAYER, THEN WHAT IS it?!
Hear it now from a BISHOP of the Roman Catholic Church, who makes the outrageous, heretical and utterly blasphemous claim that, “We often more quickly obtain what we ask by calling on the name of Mary than by invoking that of Jesus." Read more:
http://www.letusreason.org/RC7.htm
Can we pray to Mary or other saints as we do to God? Can some person who is at the other end of the universe hear our prayers? Isn't this something that is exclusively reserved to God? How can a saint hear hundreds or thousands of prayers at one time? No matter how great a saint they were, they are not omniscient nor can they answer our prayers (it is a known fact there are more prayers offered to Mary than to God by Catholics). This is seen by the statement by Bishop Liqouri “We often more quickly obtain what we ask by calling on the name of Mary than by invoking that of Jesus. She...is our Salvation, our Life, our Hope, our Counsel, our Refuge, our Help” (The Glories of Mary by Bishop Alphonse de Ligouri (Brooklyn: Redemptorist Fathers, pp. 254, 257).
THAT, my friend, certainly seems a lot more than just having a little chat with the former virgin Mary.
Semiramis and Ninus ( Nimrod) of Assyria.
So now as we can see, the worship of the mother and child in the ancient world was pretty much global. From babylon to Egypt, to Assyria to Greece, to Rome, to India, to China, it's all the same. It is god mother who gave birth to a re-incarnate or resurrected husband as her son.
The beginning of this cult was Nimrod and his wife Seramis or Isis. Nimrod was killed by Seti, probably Shem the son of Noah for his attempt to lead mankind to rebel against God after the flood. Semaris took her child that was born after the death of Nimrod, and deified him to make both her son and husband God, as the basis of establishing their right to rule over humanity. Just as during the medieval ages kings claimed to rule by "divine right".
As the knowlege of God was available to the ancients, Semaris took the attributes of the future Christ, the son of God, and appklied them to her own son and established the cult of Semaris or Isis.
At the division of the nations in Genesis Chapter 11, this cult went with al the peoples as they were scattered upon the earth.
In Rome, the cult of Isis was imported from Egypt in the century before Christ, and became the favorite cult of many Emperors. When Christianity became the religion of the empire, this cult was brought into the church and named after Mary and Christ.
Constantine, when he became emperor may have tolerated Christianity, but he still remained as the head of the polytheistic system that was Rome and patronized the gods regularly. He bore the title Pontefex Maximus, the head of all religion in Rome.
When he made Christianity the religion of his empire, he was trying to unite all of Rome after years of division, this unity came from funneling all the religions of Rome into the church.
Thus the paganization of Christianity took place.
EX,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,What ever you want to think go with it, you being wrong doesn't
change anything. The child was cured through the power of God.
Complain to God that you're upset with the way he handles his creation.
Tell Jesus you don't like what's going on here and stop curing people.
Tell Jesus he was adoped and his Mother is actually Isis, queen of the nile.
You can't comprehend any of this, so carry on with your imaginary world
so you can tell a few billion people what they believe.
The plan of God has been exsisting in real time for I don't know how many
thousand years. Thank Jesus you're here to straighten this out.
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Just because your priest says it, doesn't make it so. He does not have the authority to invent doctrine, nor to bring paganism into the church and call it Christianity. Your priest is in big trouble with God, because he knows the truth and doesn't tell you, but continues to lead you down the path of error.
You can hate me, but I'm more of your friend than your priest is.
Constantine, when he became emperor may have tolerated Christianity, but he still remained as the head of the polytheistic system that was Rome and patronized the gods regularly. He bore the title Pontefex Maximus, the head of all religion in Rome.
When he made Christianity the religion of his empire, he was trying to unite all of Rome after years of division, this unity came from funneling all the religions of Rome into the church.
Thus the paganization of Christianity took place.
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I didn't realize you're nine years old.
If you believed in God you would know better, but you don't,
never did never will.
All the constantine lies have been proven lies.
Lying ignorant prejudice people like yourself aren't new
You have nothing to say, so go away little tart you're very boring.
Constantine, when he became emperor may have tolerated Christianity, but he still remained as the head of the polytheistic system that was Rome and patronized the gods regularly. He bore the title Pontefex Maximus, the head of all religion in Rome.
When he made Christianity the religion of his empire, he was trying to unite all of Rome after years of division, this unity came from funneling all the religions of Rome into the church.
Thus the paganization of Christianity took place.
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I didn't realize you're nine years old.
If you believed in God you would know better, but you don't,
never did never will.
All the constantine lies have been proven lies.
Lying ignorant prejudice people like yourself aren't new
You have nothing to say, so go away little tart you're very boring.
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Invictus,
You can be ugly if you want to, i have not been disrespectful to you at all. you are the one who started this thread with a story that is based on false assumptions. Your priest who told the story, based this story on emotion and not on any biblical fact. This is just exactly how cults are run.
You are commanded in scripture to "Earnestly contend for the fath that was once delivered to the saints." The priest that would try to mislead people with such a dishonest story should have been run out of the church.
One of the best books written on the subject of the mother son worship was written by Alexander Hislop, entitled "The two Babylons."It is well documented and accurate.
http://www.biblebelievers.com/babylon/sect22.htm
This portion breaks down perfectly the foundation and corruption of the original knowlege of God by Semiramis, the wife of Nimrod.
Constantine, when he became emperor may have tolerated Christianity, but he still remained as the head of the polytheistic system that was Rome and patronized the gods regularly. He bore the title Pontefex Maximus, the head of all religion in Rome.
When he made Christianity the religion of his empire, he was trying to unite all of Rome after years of division, this unity came from funneling all the religions of Rome into the church.
Thus the paganization of Christianity took place.
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I didn't realize you're nine years old.
If you believed in God you would know better, but you don't,
never did never will.
All the constantine lies have been proven lies.
Lying ignorant prejudice people like yourself aren't new
You have nothing to say, so go away little tart you're very boring.
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Has extra ever said which cult he belongs to?
Constantine, when he became emperor may have tolerated Christianity, but he still remained as the head of the polytheistic system that was Rome and patronized the gods regularly. He bore the title Pontefex Maximus, the head of all religion in Rome.
When he made Christianity the religion of his empire, he was trying to unite all of Rome after years of division, this unity came from funneling all the religions of Rome into the church.
Thus the paganization of Christianity took place.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I didn't realize you're nine years old.
If you believed in God you would know better, but you don't,
never did never will.
All the constantine lies have been proven lies.
Lying ignorant prejudice people like yourself aren't new
You have nothing to say, so go away little tart you're very boring.
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Has extra ever said which cult he belongs to?
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This one. Ephesians 2:18-22
Constantine, when he became emperor may have tolerated Christianity, but he still remained as the head of the polytheistic system that was Rome and patronized the gods regularly. He bore the title Pontefex Maximus, the head of all religion in Rome.
When he made Christianity the religion of his empire, he was trying to unite all of Rome after years of division, this unity came from funneling all the religions of Rome into the church.
Thus the paganization of Christianity took place.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I didn't realize you're nine years old.
If you believed in God you would know better, but you don't,
never did never will.
All the constantine lies have been proven lies.
Lying ignorant prejudice people like yourself aren't new
You have nothing to say, so go away little tart you're very boring.
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Invictus,
You can be ugly if you want to, i have not been disrespectful to you at all. you are the one who started this thread with a story that is based on false assumptions. Your priest who told the story, based this story on emotion and not on any biblical fact. This is just exactly how cults are run.
You are commanded in scripture to "Earnestly contend for the fath that was once delivered to the saints." The priest that would try to mislead people with such a dishonest story should have been run out of the church.
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EX.........You started ugly...........You must prove false assumptions, where
are they? Biblical facts? we are talking medical facts and they stand on
their own. The report is based on truth.
You have no idea of true church history and it's time line. The Church has been
documented with the apostles and the recond keeping never stopped.
Heres a simplified time line:
http://www.ourcatholicfaith.org/churchhistory.html
Luke 1:44 - Mary's voice causes John the Baptist to leap for joy in Elizabeth's womb. Luke is teaching us that Mary is our powerful intercessor.
Luke 1:44 - Mary's voice causes John the Baptist to leap for joy in Elizabeth's womb. Luke is teaching us that Mary is our powerful intercessor.
I guess Luke and all the other Apostles just forgot to tell us that.
Luke 1:44 - Mary's voice causes John the Baptist to leap for joy in Elizabeth's womb. Luke is teaching us that Mary is our powerful intercessor.
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And just how does that constitute anything resembling "intercession"? A fetal bump has to be exaggerated big time to evove into such things as "Mother of God", "Queen of Heaven" and Co-Redemptrix." There is a mighty small amount of information in Scripture about Mary, but from those fragmentary references, the Catholic Church has fabricated a truly massive mythology!
Maryolatry is what it is!
Luke 1:44 - Mary's voice causes John the Baptist to leap for joy in Elizabeth's womb. Luke is teaching us that Mary is our powerful intercessor.
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And just how does that constitute anything resembling "intercession"? A fetal bump has to be exaggerated big time to evove into such things as "Mother of God", "Queen of Heaven" and Co-Redemptrix." There is a mighty small amount of information in Scripture about Mary, but from those fragmentary references, the Catholic Church has fabricated a truly massive mythology!
Maryolatry is what it is!
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The Catholic Church didn't fabricate that, HoD appears to be pulling
Extra's string. The presents of Jesus was cause for the leap.
Luke 1: 41 KJV
41 | And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost: |
as stated in luke 1:41 when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; KJV, i belive that john could not have understood Mary's ****ation but rather the excitetment of Jesus growing in Mary caused the leap, whether it was Elizabeth or John feeling Jesus's presence I cannot speculate.
Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_...r_womb#ixzz1e9ymJpea
I've noticed your two major attackers, extra and contend uh have never said what denomination they are. Could it be they know their cult couldn't stand up to scrutiny?
I've noticed your two major attackers, extra and contend uh have never said what denomination they are. Could it be they know their cult couldn't stand up to scrutiny?
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Yeah I know, Best but I never consider their denominations, only that
extra, contend, bill, oldshlt and maybe some others all from the same bowl.
I've noticed your two major attackers, extra and contend uh have never said what denomination they are. Could it be they know their cult couldn't stand up to scrutiny?
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be nice best
I've noticed your two major attackers, extra and contend uh have never said what denomination they are. Could it be they know their cult couldn't stand up to scrutiny?
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be nice best
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What's not nice about it? BTW, which cult do you belong to?
Petersville Grove and you can't get in
Petersville Grove and you can't get in
Petersville grove what? And don't worry, I wouldn't want in.
best, The Grove requires secret passwords, handshakes and signs.
it's not even possible you could get in the lodge.
best, The Grove requires secret passwords, handshakes and signs.
it's not even possible you could get in the lodge.
And once more, it's not even possible that I would want to get in.
best, The Grove requires secret passwords, handshakes and signs.
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Sounds like a Mason meeting.
Anyone, inside or outside of any denomination, creed, or other identity, is competent to discern the fallacies and foibles of Catholicism simply from studying the ample historical and modern record.
From the Inquisition to the medieval burning of "heretics," to the modern era of endemic pedophilia--By their works shall you know them!
best, The Grove requires secret passwords, handshakes and signs.
it's not even possible you could get in the lodge.
And once more, it's not even possible that I would want to get in.
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you would love to get in. LOL
best, The Grove requires secret passwords, handshakes and signs.
it's not even possible you could get in the lodge.
And once more, it's not even possible that I would want to get in.
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you would love to get in. LOL
Let's see, I've never heard of the place, have no idea what it is, YOU are there, so how in the h@ii do you figure I'd "love" to get in??
Anyone, inside or outside of any denomination, creed, or other identity, is competent to discern the fallacies and foibles of Catholicism simply from studying the ample historical and modern record.
From the Inquisition to the medieval burning of "heretics," to the modern era of endemic pedophilia--By their works shall you know them!
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I'll say it's was a matter of necessity that the Roman Catholic Church
to protect itself against the many enemies trying to destory it.
Protestants come along 1500 tears later, so no help there.
What was life like the first 500 years AD? As far as that goes, what was it
like the first 1500 years AD? How many hundreds of thiusands of those lives
taken and freely given for the Church Jesus found while on earth so you
could be given your first bible in the year 1611?
There are pedophiles in every denomination, in every church of any good size.
On every college campus and every play ground. More in the protestant
church than catholic, no state is without them.
It's not my intent to offend the good protestants in and around this forum.
I'm just saying to the few, not even the gates of hell.
What was life like the first 500 years AD? As far as that goes, what was it
like the first 1500 years AD? How many hundreds of thiusands of those lives
taken and freely given for the Church Jesus found while on earth so you
could be given your first bible in the year 1611?
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Invictus,
I try to make it a policy to be respectful of all my Christian brothers ans sisters. Our differences are differences in the family. I believe there are catholics that are saved, and baptists that are lost, and catholics that are lost and baptists that are saved.
For me, the pursuit is truth, not myths.
Regarding your quote above, the Bible was actually given to us in spite of Catholicism. Wycliff printed the bible in English. The Catholic church issued a death warrant for him but never caught him. after his death, he was dug up and tried and burned as a heretic. all for printing the Bible. Wycliff and Tyndale were forerunners to the King James 1611 edition. Tyndale was burned at the stake at Smithfield for his role in translating the Bible, leaving behind a wife and more than 10 kids. In those days, conviction for herersy was an automatic forefiture of all property to the church. His wife and kids were left destitute.
As I said, I'm a church history scholar.
Remember, the kings of Israel do what the kings of Israel do. Jesus is the ultimate King of Israel, so…
1) Solomon and subsequent kings of Judah raised their mothers to Queenship which became established as an official office;
2) the mothers were referred to as the Queen Mothers or the Great Lady;
3) they sat on a throne near their sons (1 Ki 2:19);
4) The kings of Israel do what the kings of Israel do;
5) Jesus is the quintessential Jewish King with an eternal kingdom;
6) Jesus is the fulfillment of the Israelite offices of Prophet, Priest & King;
7) As the Davidic king, Jesus who obeyed the Law perfectly, would honor his mother more than earthy kings honored their mothers;
8) It is biblical, historical, and reasonable to expect the perfect Jewish king to follow the protocol of the kingdom and his fathers by assuming his mother to a throne at his right hand.
9) It is proper and biblical to consider Mary in a position of intercessor as the Queen of Heaven.
10) Mary is seen as the Queen of Heaven in Revelation 12:1.
Is it impossible or unlikely that God would assume someone into heaven body and soul? All of us will be taken us some day (1 Cor 15:52). In the Bible there are at least two clear examples of humans taken up to heaven body and soul. Both Enoch (Gen 5:24; Heb 11:5) and Elijah (2 Kings 2:1-11) were taken up into heaven body and soul. Mary was not the first! There was already precedent set!
best, The Grove requires secret passwords, handshakes and signs.
it's not even possible you could get in the lodge.
And once more, it's not even possible that I would want to get in.
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you would love to get in. LOL
Let's see, I've never heard of the place, have no idea what it is, YOU are there, so how in the h@ii do you figure I'd "love" to get in??
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don't kid me, you're that nosey.
Well buff, first of all I'm not the nosy one, you're the one that's always skulking around trying to get personal information on people. Secondly, I doubt even the nosiest person in the world would be interested in you.
Remember, the kings of Israel do what the kings of Israel do. Jesus is the ultimate King of Israel, so…
1) Solomon and subsequent kings of Judah raised their mothers to Queenship which became established as an official office;
2) the mothers were referred to as the Queen Mothers or the Great Lady;
3) they sat on a throne near their sons (1 Ki 2:19);
4) The kings of Israel do what the kings of Israel do;
5) Jesus is the quintessential Jewish King with an eternal kingdom;
6) Jesus is the fulfillment of the Israelite offices of Prophet, Priest & King;
7) As the Davidic king, Jesus who obeyed the Law perfectly, would honor his mother more than earthy kings honored their mothers;
8) It is biblical, historical, and reasonable to expect the perfect Jewish king to follow the protocol of the kingdom and his fathers by assuming his mother to a throne at his right hand.
9) It is proper and biblical to consider Mary in a position of intercessor as the Queen of Heaven.
10) Mary is seen as the Queen of Heaven in Revelation 12:1.
Is it impossible or unlikely that God would assume someone into heaven body and soul? All of us will be taken us some day (1 Cor 15:52). In the Bible there are at least two clear examples of humans taken up to heaven body and soul. Both Enoch (Gen 5:24; Heb 11:5) and Elijah (2 Kings 2:1-11) were taken up into heaven body and soul. Mary was not the first! There was already precedent set!
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Interesting angle House of David.
I do believe there was a king who removed his mother. That said, your rationale opens up a huge can of worms to bring in all the pagan worship instituted by those same kings you refer to.
Now, when God set up Isreal, he intended to rule over them as King. That would include the real king Christ. Remember, it was Isreal who asked for an earthly king "like all the nations around them" contrary to God's will. They were warned by Samuel that these kings would CORRUPT the nation and lead them to SLAVERY.
That's exactly what happened.
Further breakdown on the mother and child worship of the ancient world. Confirming that it originated with Nimrod and his wife Isis. That this religion was spread throughout the ancient world and is still worshipped today in many countries like India.
The Catholic worship of Mary comes from these ancient cults, NOT THE BIBLE.
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conden, you might be thinking about the Collyridians, a small fourth-century sect in Arabia, mainly composed of women, who evidently worshipped the Blessed Virgin, offering cakes to her during a religious ceremony. They claim this is an early example of former pagans worshipping Mary as a "goddess."
The Collyridians were not Catholic. They were a syncretistic cult which, like the Gnostics and other such groups of that time, blended practices from various religious traditions. They were a heresy. They took the figure of Mary from Catholicism and offered her sacrifices reminiscent of those offered to certain pagan goddesses (see Jeremiah 44:18-19). This was an odd blending of contradictory faiths, but it was never sanctioned by the Catholic Church. In fact, the only reason why we know about this small sect is because Saint Epiphanius, one of the Church Fathers, condemned them in his work called the Panarion.
Jeremiah 44: 18-19
. [18] But since we left off to offer sacrifice to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings to her, we have wanted all things, and have been consumed by the sword, and by famine. [19] And if we offer sacrifice to the queen of heaven, and pour out drink offerings to her: did we make cakes to worship her, to pour out drink offerings to her, without our husbands?
( The queen of heaven----the moon, which they worshipped under this name.)