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Originally Posted by INVICTUS:

 

The "Hail Mary" of a Protestant is powerful!---( A True Story)

 
A little six-year-old Protestant boy had often heard his Catholic companion
reciting the prayer 'Hail Mary.' He liked it so much that he copied it, memorized
it and would recite it every day. 'Look, Mummy, what a beautiful prayer,'
he said to his mother one day. 'Never again say it,' answered the mother.' it is a
superstitious prayer of Catholics who adore idols and think Mary a goddess.
After all, she is a woman like any other. Come on, take this Bible and read it.
It contains everything that we are bound to do and have to do.'
 
From that day on the little boy discontinued his daily 'Hail Mary' and gave
himself more time to reading the Bible instead. One day, while reading the
Gospel, he came across the passage about the Annunciation of the Angel to
Our Lady. Full of joy, the little boy ran to his mother and said: 'Mummy, I have
found the 'Hail Mary' in the Bible which says: 'Hail Mary full of grace, the Lord
is with thee, blessed art thou amongst women. '
 
Why do you call it a superstitious prayer?'
On another occasion he found that beautiful Salutation of St. Elizabeth to
The Virgin Mary and the wonderful canticle. MAGNIFICAT in which Mary
foretold that 'the generations would call her blessed.' He said no more about
it to his mother but started to recite the 'Hail Mary' every day as before. He felt
pleasure in addressing those charming words to the
Mother of Jesus, our Savior.
 
When he was fourteen, he one day heard a discussion on Our Lady among the
members of his family. Every one said that Mary was a common woman like any
other woman. The boy, after listening to their erroneous reasoning, could not
bear it any longer, and full of indignation, he interrupted them, saying:
'Mary is not like any other children of Adam, stained with sin. No! The Angel
called her FULL OF GRACE AND BLESSED AMONGST WOMEN.
Mary is the Mother of Jesus Christ and consequently Mother of God.
There is no higher dignity to which a creature can be raised.
 
The Gospel says that the generations will proclaim her blessed and you are
trying to despise her and look down on her. Your spirit is not the Spirit Of the
Gospel or of the Bible which you proclaim to be the foundation of the
Christian religion.' So deep was the impression which the boy's talk had made
that his mother many times cried out sorrowfully: 'Oh my God! I fear that this
son of mine will one day join the Catholic religion, the religion of Popes!'
And indeed, not very long afterwards, having made a serious study of
both Protestantism and Catholicism, the boy found the latter to be the
only true religion and embraced it and became
one of its most ardent apostles.
 
Some time after his conversion, he met his married sister who rebuked
his and said indignantly: 'You little know how much I love my children.
Should any one of them desire to become a Catholic, I would sooner
pierce his heart with a dagger than allow him to embrace the religion
of the Popes!' Her anger and temper were as furious as those of
St. Paul before his conversion. However, she would change her ways,
just as St. Paul did on his way to Damascus.
 
It so happened that one of her sons fell dangerously ill and the doctors
gave up hope of recovery. Her brother then approached, her and spoke
to her affectionately, saying: 'My dear sister, you naturally wish to have
your child cured. Very well, then, do what I ask you to do. Follow me, let us
pray one 'Hail Mary' and promise God that, if your son recovers his health,
you would seriously study the Catholic doctrine, and should you come to
the conclusion that Catholicism is the only true religion, you would embrace
it no matter what the sacrifices may be.'
 
His sister was somewhat reluctant at the beginning but as she wished for her
son's recovery. She accepted her brother's proposal and recited the 'Hail Mary'
together with him. The next day her son was completely cured! The mother
fulfilled her promise and she studied the Catholic doctrine. After long preparation
she received Baptism together with her family,
thanking her brother for being an apostle to her.
*The story was related during a sermon given by the Rev. Father Tuckwell.
'Brethren, he went on and said, 'The boy who became a Catholic and
converted his sister to Catholicism dedicated his whole life to the service of God. 
He is the priest who is speaking to you now!
 
What I am I owe to Our Lady. You, too, my dear brethren, be entirely dedicated
also to Our Lady and never let a day pass without saying the beautiful prayer,
'Hail Mary', and your Rosary. Ask her to enlighten the minds of Protestants who
are separated from the true Church of Christ founded on the Rock (Peter)
and 'against whom the gates of hell shall never prevail.'
 
 

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EX,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,What ever you want to think go with it, you being wrong doesn't

change anything. The child was cured through the power of God.

Complain to God that you're upset with the way he handles his creation.

Tell Jesus you don't like what's going on here and stop curing people.

 

Tell Jesus he was adoped and his Mother is actually Isis, queen of the nile.

You can't comprehend any of this, so carry on with your imaginary world

so you can tell a few billion people what they believe.

 

The plan of God has been exsisting in real time for I don't know how many

thousand years. Thank Jesus you're here to straighten this out.

 

Originally Posted by O No!:
Originally Posted by Extra-260:
Originally Posted by O No!:

 "There is no exortation to worship Mary in the new testament."

 

I already TOLD you, Catholics don't WORSHIP Mary, they HONOR her. Big difference.


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 if you pray to her, and give her credit for acting on that prayer, build shrines to her, and exalt her, you are worshipping her.

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Wrong again. We don't PRAY to her, we TALK to her, the same way I already told you I sometimes talk to my late husband.  We ask HER to pray for us. And we HONOR her, we do not worship her. Micelangelo made a very powerful statue of David. Does that mean he WORSHIPED David? No, he was HONORING David. If you can't see the difference then I can't make you see it. But there IS a HUGE difference.

 

 

 

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You say, "We don't PRAY to her, we TALK to her, the same way I already told you I sometimes talk to my late husband."


 Give me a BREAK!!  You might not pray to her, but these Catholics certainly do.  All the links below are from Catholic sources and all of them document  that without question Catholics DO pray to Mary.  Care to modify your claim?.: 

 

http://www.catholic.org/prayers/prayer.php?s=31

 

http://www.marypages.com/PrayerstoMary.htm  

http://www.ourladyweb.com/mary-prayers.html

"Some Popular Catholic Prayers and Prayers to Mary"


http://webcatolicodejavier.org/english/mary.html

"PRAYERS TO THE VIRGIN MARY"


http://www.beginningcatholic.c...-to-virgin-mary.html

"From the Church's beginnings, prayers to Virgin Mary have held a place of honor for Catholics."


"Hail, Holy Queen, Mother of Mercy; hail, our life, our sweetness and our hope. To you we cry, poor banished children of Eve, to you we send up our sighs, mourning and weeping in this valley of tears. Turn then, O most gracious advocate, your eyes of mercy towards us, and after this our exile, show us the blessed fruit of your womb, Jesus. O clement, O loving, O sweet Virgin Mary."  IF THIS IS NOT A PRAYER, THEN WHAT IS it?!

 

Hear it now from a BISHOP of the Roman Catholic Church, who makes the outrageous, heretical and utterly blasphemous claim that, We often more quickly obtain what we ask by calling on the name of Mary than by invoking that of Jesus." Read more:

 

 

http://www.letusreason.org/RC7.htm

Can we pray to Mary or other saints as we do to God? Can some person who is at the other end of the universe hear our prayers? Isn't this something that is exclusively reserved to God? How can a saint hear hundreds or thousands of prayers at one time? No matter how great a saint they were, they are not omniscient nor can they answer our prayers (it is a known fact there are more prayers offered to Mary than to God by Catholics). This is seen by the statement by Bishop Liqouri “We often more quickly obtain what we ask by calling on the name of Mary than by invoking that of Jesus. She...is our Salvation, our Life, our Hope, our Counsel, our Refuge, our Help” (The Glories of Mary by Bishop Alphonse de Ligouri (Brooklyn: Redemptorist Fathers, pp. 254, 257).


THAT, my friend, certainly seems a lot more than just having a little chat with the former virgin Mary.

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Semiramis and Ninus ( Nimrod) of Assyria.

 

 

womanandchild

 

 So now as we can see, the worship of the mother and child in the ancient world was pretty much global. From babylon to Egypt, to Assyria to Greece, to Rome, to India, to China, it's all the same. It is god mother who gave birth to a re-incarnate or resurrected husband as her son.

 The beginning of this cult was Nimrod and his wife Seramis or Isis. Nimrod was killed by Seti, probably Shem the son of Noah for his attempt to lead mankind to rebel against God after the flood. Semaris took her child that was born after the death of Nimrod, and deified him to make both her son and husband God, as the basis of establishing their right to rule over humanity. Just as during the medieval ages kings claimed to rule by "divine right".

 As the knowlege of God was available to the ancients, Semaris took the attributes of the future Christ, the son of God, and appklied them to her own son and established the cult of Semaris or Isis.

   At the division of the nations in Genesis Chapter 11, this cult went with al the peoples as they were scattered upon the earth.

  In Rome, the cult of Isis was imported from Egypt in the century before Christ, and became the favorite cult of many Emperors. When Christianity became the religion of the empire, this cult was brought into the church and named after Mary and Christ.

 

 Constantine, when he became emperor may have tolerated Christianity, but he still remained as the head of the polytheistic system that was Rome and patronized the gods regularly. He bore the title Pontefex Maximus, the head of all religion in Rome.

 When he made Christianity the religion of his empire, he was trying to unite all of Rome after years of division, this unity came from funneling all the religions of Rome into the church.

 Thus the paganization of Christianity took place.

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EX,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,What ever you want to think go with it, you being wrong doesn't

change anything. The child was cured through the power of God.

Complain to God that you're upset with the way he handles his creation.

Tell Jesus you don't like what's going on here and stop curing people.

 

Tell Jesus he was adoped and his Mother is actually Isis, queen of the nile.

You can't comprehend any of this, so carry on with your imaginary world

so you can tell a few billion people what they believe.

 

The plan of God has been exsisting in real time for I don't know how many

thousand years. Thank Jesus you're here to straighten this out.

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 Just because your priest says it, doesn't make it so. He does not have the authority to invent doctrine, nor to bring paganism into the church and call it Christianity. Your priest is in big trouble with God, because he knows the truth and doesn't tell you, but continues to lead you down the path of error.

 

 You can hate me, but I'm more of your friend than your priest is.

Originally Posted by Extra-260:

 

 

 Constantine, when he became emperor may have tolerated Christianity, but he still remained as the head of the polytheistic system that was Rome and patronized the gods regularly. He bore the title Pontefex Maximus, the head of all religion in Rome.

 When he made Christianity the religion of his empire, he was trying to unite all of Rome after years of division, this unity came from funneling all the religions of Rome into the church.

 Thus the paganization of Christianity took place.

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I didn't realize you're nine years old.

 

If you believed in God you would know better, but you don't,

never did never will.
All the constantine lies have been proven lies.

 

Lying ignorant prejudice people like yourself aren't new

 

You have nothing to say, so go away little tart you're very boring.

 

 

Originally Posted by INVICTUS:
Originally Posted by Extra-260:

 

 

 Constantine, when he became emperor may have tolerated Christianity, but he still remained as the head of the polytheistic system that was Rome and patronized the gods regularly. He bore the title Pontefex Maximus, the head of all religion in Rome.

 When he made Christianity the religion of his empire, he was trying to unite all of Rome after years of division, this unity came from funneling all the religions of Rome into the church.

 Thus the paganization of Christianity took place.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

 

I didn't realize you're nine years old.

 

If you believed in God you would know better, but you don't,

never did never will.
All the constantine lies have been proven lies.

 

Lying ignorant prejudice people like yourself aren't new

 

You have nothing to say, so go away little tart you're very boring.

 

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 Invictus,

 You can be ugly if you want to, i have not been disrespectful to you at all.   you are the one who started this thread with a story that is based on false assumptions. Your priest who told the story, based this story on emotion and not on any biblical fact. This is just exactly how cults are run.

 

 You are commanded in scripture to "Earnestly contend for the fath that was once delivered to the saints."  The priest that would try to mislead people with such a dishonest story should have been run out of the church.

 

Originally Posted by INVICTUS:
Originally Posted by Extra-260:

 

 

 Constantine, when he became emperor may have tolerated Christianity, but he still remained as the head of the polytheistic system that was Rome and patronized the gods regularly. He bore the title Pontefex Maximus, the head of all religion in Rome.

 When he made Christianity the religion of his empire, he was trying to unite all of Rome after years of division, this unity came from funneling all the religions of Rome into the church.

 Thus the paganization of Christianity took place.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

 

I didn't realize you're nine years old.

 

If you believed in God you would know better, but you don't,

never did never will.
All the constantine lies have been proven lies.

 

Lying ignorant prejudice people like yourself aren't new

 

You have nothing to say, so go away little tart you're very boring.

 

 

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Has extra ever said which cult he belongs to?

Originally Posted by Bestworking:
Originally Posted by INVICTUS:
Originally Posted by Extra-260:

 

 

 Constantine, when he became emperor may have tolerated Christianity, but he still remained as the head of the polytheistic system that was Rome and patronized the gods regularly. He bore the title Pontefex Maximus, the head of all religion in Rome.

 When he made Christianity the religion of his empire, he was trying to unite all of Rome after years of division, this unity came from funneling all the religions of Rome into the church.

 Thus the paganization of Christianity took place.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

 

I didn't realize you're nine years old.

 

If you believed in God you would know better, but you don't,

never did never will.
All the constantine lies have been proven lies.

 

Lying ignorant prejudice people like yourself aren't new

 

You have nothing to say, so go away little tart you're very boring.

 

 

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Has extra ever said which cult he belongs to?


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 This one. Ephesians 2:18-22

Originally Posted by Extra-260:
Originally Posted by INVICTUS:
Originally Posted by Extra-260:

 

 

 Constantine, when he became emperor may have tolerated Christianity, but he still remained as the head of the polytheistic system that was Rome and patronized the gods regularly. He bore the title Pontefex Maximus, the head of all religion in Rome.

 When he made Christianity the religion of his empire, he was trying to unite all of Rome after years of division, this unity came from funneling all the religions of Rome into the church.

 Thus the paganization of Christianity took place.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

 

I didn't realize you're nine years old.

 

If you believed in God you would know better, but you don't,

never did never will.
All the constantine lies have been proven lies.

 

Lying ignorant prejudice people like yourself aren't new

 

You have nothing to say, so go away little tart you're very boring.

 

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 Invictus,

 You can be ugly if you want to, i have not been disrespectful to you at all.   you are the one who started this thread with a story that is based on false assumptions. Your priest who told the story, based this story on emotion and not on any biblical fact. This is just exactly how cults are run.

 

 You are commanded in scripture to "Earnestly contend for the fath that was once delivered to the saints."  The priest that would try to mislead people with such a dishonest story should have been run out of the church.

 

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EX.........You started ugly...........You must prove false assumptions, where

are they? Biblical facts? we are talking medical facts and they stand on

their own. The report is based on truth.

 

You have no idea of true church history and it's time line. The Church has been

documented with the apostles and the recond keeping never stopped.

 

Heres a simplified time line:

 

http://www.ourcatholicfaith.org/churchhistory.html


 

Originally Posted by House of David:

Luke 1:44 - Mary's voice causes John the Baptist to leap for joy in Elizabeth's womb. Luke is teaching us that Mary is our powerful intercessor.

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And just how does that constitute anything resembling "intercession"?  A fetal bump  has to be exaggerated  big time to evove into such things as "Mother of God",  "Queen of Heaven" and Co-Redemptrix."  There is a mighty small amount of information in Scripture about Mary, but from those fragmentary references, the Catholic Church has fabricated a truly massive mythology!

 

Maryolatry is what it is!

Originally Posted by Contendah:
Originally Posted by House of David:

Luke 1:44 - Mary's voice causes John the Baptist to leap for joy in Elizabeth's womb. Luke is teaching us that Mary is our powerful intercessor.

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And just how does that constitute anything resembling "intercession"?  A fetal bump  has to be exaggerated  big time to evove into such things as "Mother of God",  "Queen of Heaven" and Co-Redemptrix."  There is a mighty small amount of information in Scripture about Mary, but from those fragmentary references, the Catholic Church has fabricated a truly massive mythology!

 

Maryolatry is what it is!

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The Catholic Church didn't fabricate that, HoD appears to be pulling

Extra's string. The presents of Jesus was cause for the leap.

 

Luke 1: 41         KJV

 

41And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:

 

 

as stated in luke 1:41 when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe  leaped in her womb; KJV, i belive that john could not have understood Mary's  ****ation but rather the excitetment of Jesus growing in Mary caused the leap,  whether it was Elizabeth or John feeling Jesus's presence I cannot speculate.
Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_...r_womb#ixzz1e9ymJpea

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

I've noticed your two major attackers, extra and contend uh have never said what denomination they are.  Could it be they know their cult couldn't stand up to scrutiny?

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Yeah I know, Best but I never consider their denominations, only that

extra, contend, bill, oldshlt and maybe some others all from the same bowl.

 

Originally Posted by lexum:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

I've noticed your two major attackers, extra and contend uh have never said what denomination they are.  Could it be they know their cult couldn't stand up to scrutiny?

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be nice best

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What's not nice about it? BTW, which cult do you belong to?

Anyone, inside or outside of any denomination, creed, or other identity, is competent to discern the fallacies and foibles of Catholicism simply from studying the ample historical and modern record.

 

From the Inquisition to the medieval burning of "heretics," to the modern era of endemic pedophilia--By their works shall you know them! 

Originally Posted by Bestworking:
Originally Posted by lexum:

best, The Grove requires secret passwords, handshakes and signs.

it's not even possible you could get in the lodge.

And once more, it's not even possible that I would want to get in.

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you would love to get in. LOL


 

Originally Posted by lexum:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:
Originally Posted by lexum:

best, The Grove requires secret passwords, handshakes and signs.

it's not even possible you could get in the lodge.

And once more, it's not even possible that I would want to get in.

[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[

you would love to get in. LOL


 Let's see, I've never heard of the place, have no idea what it is, YOU are there, so how in the h@ii do you figure I'd "love" to get in??

Originally Posted by Contendah:

Anyone, inside or outside of any denomination, creed, or other identity, is competent to discern the fallacies and foibles of Catholicism simply from studying the ample historical and modern record.

 

From the Inquisition to the medieval burning of "heretics," to the modern era of endemic pedophilia--By their works shall you know them! 

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I'll say it's was a matter of necessity that the Roman Catholic Church

to protect itself against the many enemies trying to destory it.

Protestants come along 1500 tears later, so no help there.

 

What was life like the first 500 years AD? As far as that goes, what was it

like the first 1500 years AD? How many hundreds of thiusands of those lives

taken and freely given for the Church Jesus found while on earth so you

could be given your first bible in the year 1611?

 

There are pedophiles in every denomination, in every church of any good size.

On every college campus and every play ground. More in the protestant

church than catholic, no state is without them.

 

It's not my intent to offend the good protestants in and around this forum.

I'm just saying to the few, not even the gates of hell.

 

What was life like the first 500 years AD? As far as that goes, what was it

like the first 1500 years AD? How many hundreds of thiusands of those lives

taken and freely given for the Church Jesus found while on earth so you

could be given your first bible in the year 1611?

 

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 Invictus,

 I try to make it a policy to be respectful of all my Christian brothers ans sisters. Our differences are differences in the family. I believe there are catholics that are saved, and baptists that are lost, and catholics that are lost and baptists that are saved.

 For me, the pursuit is truth, not myths.

 Regarding your quote above, the Bible was actually given to us in spite of Catholicism. Wycliff printed the bible in English. The Catholic church issued a death warrant for him but never caught him. after his death, he was dug up and tried and burned as a heretic. all for printing the Bible. Wycliff and Tyndale were forerunners to the King James 1611 edition. Tyndale was burned at the stake at Smithfield for his role in translating the Bible, leaving behind a wife and more than 10 kids. In those days, conviction for herersy was an automatic forefiture of all property to the church. His wife and kids were left destitute.

 

 As I said, I'm a church history scholar.

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Remember, the kings of Israel do what the kings of Israel do. Jesus is the ultimate King of Israel, so…

 

1) Solomon and subsequent kings of Judah raised their mothers to Queenship which became established as an official office;
2)
the mothers were referred to as the Queen Mothers or the Great Lady;
3)
they sat on a throne near their sons (1 Ki 2:19);
4) The kings of Israel do what the kings of Israel do;
5) Jesus is the quintessential Jewish King with an eternal kingdom;
6)
Jesus is the fulfillment of the Israelite offices of Prophet, Priest & King;
7)
As the Davidic king, Jesus who obeyed the Law perfectly, would honor his mother more than earthy kings honored their mothers;
8) It is biblical, historical, and reasonable to expect the perfect Jewish king to follow the protocol of the kingdom and his fathers by assuming his mother to a throne at his right hand.

9) It is proper and biblical to consider Mary in a position of intercessor as the Queen of Heaven.
10) Mary is seen as the Queen of Heaven in Revelation 12:1.

 

Is it impossible or unlikely that God would assume someone into heaven body and soul? All of us will be taken us some day (1 Cor 15:52). In the Bible there are at least two clear examples of humans taken up to heaven body and soul. Both Enoch (Gen 5:24; Heb 11:5) and Elijah (2 Kings 2:1-11) were taken up into heaven body and soul. Mary was not the first! There was already precedent set!

Originally Posted by Bestworking:
Originally Posted by lexum:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:
Originally Posted by lexum:

best, The Grove requires secret passwords, handshakes and signs.

it's not even possible you could get in the lodge.

And once more, it's not even possible that I would want to get in.

[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[

you would love to get in. LOL


 Let's see, I've never heard of the place, have no idea what it is, YOU are there, so how in the h@ii do you figure I'd "love" to get in??

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don't kid me, you're that nosey.

Originally Posted by House of David:

Remember, the kings of Israel do what the kings of Israel do. Jesus is the ultimate King of Israel, so…

 

1) Solomon and subsequent kings of Judah raised their mothers to Queenship which became established as an official office;
2)
the mothers were referred to as the Queen Mothers or the Great Lady;
3)
they sat on a throne near their sons (1 Ki 2:19);
4) The kings of Israel do what the kings of Israel do;
5) Jesus is the quintessential Jewish King with an eternal kingdom;
6)
Jesus is the fulfillment of the Israelite offices of Prophet, Priest & King;
7)
As the Davidic king, Jesus who obeyed the Law perfectly, would honor his mother more than earthy kings honored their mothers;
8) It is biblical, historical, and reasonable to expect the perfect Jewish king to follow the protocol of the kingdom and his fathers by assuming his mother to a throne at his right hand.

9) It is proper and biblical to consider Mary in a position of intercessor as the Queen of Heaven.
10) Mary is seen as the Queen of Heaven in Revelation 12:1.

 

Is it impossible or unlikely that God would assume someone into heaven body and soul? All of us will be taken us some day (1 Cor 15:52). In the Bible there are at least two clear examples of humans taken up to heaven body and soul. Both Enoch (Gen 5:24; Heb 11:5) and Elijah (2 Kings 2:1-11) were taken up into heaven body and soul. Mary was not the first! There was already precedent set!

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 Interesting angle House of David.

 I do believe there was a king who removed his mother. That said, your rationale opens up a huge can of worms to bring in all the pagan worship instituted by those same kings you refer to.

  Now, when God set up Isreal, he intended to rule over them as King. That would include the real king Christ. Remember, it was Isreal who asked for an earthly king "like all the nations around them" contrary to God's will. They were warned by Samuel that these kings would CORRUPT the nation and lead them to SLAVERY.

 

 That's exactly what happened.

Originally Posted by Extra-260:

Further breakdown on the mother and child worship of the ancient world. Confirming that it originated with Nimrod and his wife Isis. That this religion was spread throughout the ancient world and is still worshipped today in many countries like India.

 The Catholic worship of Mary comes from these ancient cults, NOT THE BIBLE.

 

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conden, you might be thinking about the Collyridians, a small fourth-century  sect in Arabia, mainly composed of women, who evidently worshipped the Blessed  Virgin, offering cakes to her during a religious ceremony. They claim this is an  early example of former pagans worshipping Mary as a "goddess."

 

The Collyridians were not Catholic. They were a syncretistic cult  which, like the Gnostics and other such groups of that time, blended practices  from various religious traditions. They were a heresy. They took the figure of  Mary from Catholicism and offered her sacrifices reminiscent of those offered to  certain pagan goddesses (see Jeremiah 44:18-19). This was an odd blending of  contradictory faiths, but it was never sanctioned by the Catholic Church. In  fact, the only reason why we know about this small sect is because Saint  Epiphanius, one of the Church Fathers, condemned them in his work called the Panarion.

 

Jeremiah 44: 18-19

. [18] But since we left off to offer sacrifice to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings to her, we have wanted all things, and have been consumed by the sword, and by famine. [19] And if we offer sacrifice to the queen of heaven, and pour out drink offerings to her: did we make cakes to worship her, to pour out drink offerings to her, without our husbands?

 

( The queen of heaven----the moon, which they worshipped under this name.)

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