The "Hail Mary" of a Protestant is powerful!---( A True Story)
The "Hail Mary" of a Protestant is powerful!---( A True Story)
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Oh you've done it now.
Oh you've done it now.
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I know, I think I'll leave town for a while.
Oh you've done it now.
I know, I think I'll leave town for a while.
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You better hurry if you ain't gone yet. I hear that "cult" sermon comin.
I'm not Catholic, but have cousins who are and I agree with much they teach, but so do many Baptists and Methodists. That was a very moving story, Invictus.
I'm sorry, but the premise of the story is false. No where is scripture are we directed to pray to Mary. In fact as you would very well know, Jesus directed us to pray "our Father, which art in Heaven' and that we were to ask in his name.
What the author has done is taken two seperate passages of scripture, and put them together and then called them a prayer. The Angel prayed not to Mary nor did Elizabeth.
The veneration of mary comes from the desire of the Christian church in Rome to pacify the pagan worshippers and to make it easier for them to join Christianity when Constantine made it the religion of the empire.
The worship of Mary comes from the ancient worship of female dieties ranging from Isis in Egypt to Ashtoreth and Diana in the East. The worship of these dieties in the east was represented by a woman holding a baby, that baby was Horus, the reincarnate Osirus, the god of the underworld in Egypt. it was Nimrod and his wife upon whom this false religion was built, and it was designed ascribe to Nimrod the attributes and diety of the future Christ.
the worship of Mary is rooted in paganism, not Christianity.
The veneration of Mary is built around the worship of Isis and Ashtoreth/Diana. Isis brought rebirth to her husband and thus humanity, Mary brings rebirth of humanity. Isis's son is the conquerer of death, Mary's son is the conquerer of death. Isis is worshipped, Mary is worshipped.
This is how paganism came into the church in the third century and polluted it. Constantine was not a blessing to the church but a curse to it. The way you make all the pagans christians, is to take the pagan gods and bring them into the church and rename them. The worship of gods became the worship of the Apostles, the vestal virgins became nuns.
Actually, the church came into paganism.
Catholics do not WORSHIP Mary. Catholics TALK to Mary and ask her to pray FOR them.
Catholics do not WORSHIP Mary. Catholics TALK to Mary and ask her to pray FOR them.
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Question: Is Mary omnicient?
Nope. But as a priest once explained to me, a lot of people (myself included) will sometimes speak to their loved ones who have gone on before. I have found myself a few times in sticky situations, where a decision needed to be made - a decision I wasn't READY to make. Sometimes I will whisper to my late husband, "What should I do?" And although I know he won't be answering me, it brings me a calming feeling, so I can make that decision with a clearer head.
Mary is in Heaven, and I believe that if someone speaks to her and asks her to pray, she will hear them, and she will certainly pray for us. Mary is NOT a godess. Mary is simply the mother of the greatest thing that ever happened to humankind, and as a devout, reverant, CHOSEN woman, I think she wants to help us whenever she can. And the only way she can help us is to pray to her son for us. And that is why Catholics speak to Mary.
Nope. But as a priest once explained to me, a lot of people (myself included) will sometimes speak to their loved ones who have gone on before. I have found myself a few times in sticky situations, where a decision needed to be made - a decision I wasn't READY to make. Sometimes I will whisper to my late husband, "What should I do?" And although I know he won't be answering me, it brings me a calming feeling, so I can make that decision with a clearer head.
Mary is in Heaven, and I believe that if someone speaks to her and asks her to pray, she will hear them, and she will certainly pray for us. Mary is NOT a godess. Mary is simply the mother of the greatest thing that ever happened to humankind, and as a devout, reverant, CHOSEN woman, I think she wants to help us whenever she can. And the only way she can help us is to pray to her son for us. And that is why Catholics speak to Mary.
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Is she omnipresent?
The veneration of Mary is built around the worship of Isis and Ashtoreth/Diana. Isis brought rebirth to her husband and thus humanity, Mary brings rebirth of humanity. Isis's son is the conquerer of death, Mary's son is the conquerer of death. Isis is worshipped, Mary is worshipped.
This is how paganism came into the church in the third century and polluted it. Constantine was not a blessing to the church but a curse to it. The way you make all the pagans christians, is to take the pagan gods and bring them into the church and rename them. The worship of gods became the worship of the Apostles, the vestal virgins became nuns.
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X,,,Everything you've said here is false, you've echoed 500 years
of ignorence. You don't know any more Christian history than
the few years you've been alive to hear false and ignorant claims.
The stupidity of telling a catholic of fifty years what he believes after
more than thirty of researching every aspect of it, looking for a excuse to
leave said church, only to entrench himself deeper into the truth of the
matter. And that is, this is the church Jesus found two thousand years ago.
Why would I leave? Realy, why would I leave.
I'm surely not worried about the gates of hell, and Jesus isn't worried about
lies concerning his Mother, saddened maybe, but still considers the source.
I would hate for Jesus to treat my Mother the way some people treat
his Mother.
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O No answered your question.
Mary, the Mother of God, isn't omniscient.
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# 3-----Omnipresent, Mary is what she said, the handmaid of the Lord.
She is and does whatever God would have her do at that time.
That would be a constant interceding for you and to pull as many
souls to Jesus as possible.
Whatever power she has and allowed to do comes from God.
The veneration of Mary is built around the worship of Isis and Ashtoreth/Diana. Isis brought rebirth to her husband and thus humanity, Mary brings rebirth of humanity. Isis's son is the conquerer of death, Mary's son is the conquerer of death. Isis is worshipped, Mary is worshipped.
This is how paganism came into the church in the third century and polluted it. Constantine was not a blessing to the church but a curse to it. The way you make all the pagans christians, is to take the pagan gods and bring them into the church and rename them. The worship of gods became the worship of the Apostles, the vestal virgins became nuns.
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X,,,Everything you've said here is false, you've echoed 500 years
of ignorence. You don't know any more Christian history than
the few years you've been alive to hear false and ignorant claims.
The stupidity of telling a catholic of fifty years what he believes after
more than thirty of researching every aspect of it, looking for a excuse to
leave said church, only to entrench himself deeper into the truth of the
matter. And that is, this is the church Jesus found two thousand years ago.
Why would I leave? Realy, why would I leave.
I'm surely not worried about the gates of hell, and Jesus isn't worried about
lies concerning his Mother, saddened maybe, but still considers the source.
I would hate for Jesus to treat my Mother the way some people treat
his Mother.
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Actually, I'm quite a scholar of church history, especially early church history. If you have studied catholic claims for thirty years and it drove you deeper into the church then obviously you didn't look very far beyond that church itself for evidence. I can give you legion of evidence that refutes catholic claims.
Are you interested?
The veneration of Mary is built around the worship of Isis and Ashtoreth/Diana. Isis brought rebirth to her husband and thus humanity, Mary brings rebirth of humanity. Isis's son is the conquerer of death, Mary's son is the conquerer of death. Isis is worshipped, Mary is worshipped.
This is how paganism came into the church in the third century and polluted it. Constantine was not a blessing to the church but a curse to it. The way you make all the pagans christians, is to take the pagan gods and bring them into the church and rename them. The worship of gods became the worship of the Apostles, the vestal virgins became nuns.
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X,,,Everything you've said here is false, you've echoed 500 years
of ignorence. You don't know any more Christian history than
the few years you've been alive to hear false and ignorant claims.
The stupidity of telling a catholic of fifty years what he believes after
more than thirty of researching every aspect of it, looking for a excuse to
leave said church, only to entrench himself deeper into the truth of the
matter. And that is, this is the church Jesus found two thousand years ago.
Why would I leave? Realy, why would I leave.
I'm surely not worried about the gates of hell, and Jesus isn't worried about
lies concerning his Mother, saddened maybe, but still considers the source.
I would hate for Jesus to treat my Mother the way some people treat
his Mother.
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Actually, I'm quite a scholar of church history, especially early church history. If you have studied catholic claims for thirty years and it drove you deeper into the church then obviously you didn't look very far beyond that church itself for evidence. I can give you legion of evidence that refutes catholic claims.
Are you interested?
If I am as ignorant as you claim, answer me this. Why Is Mary and Jesus depicted as a mother holding her child in Catholic statues?
Told you so told you so told you so! Invictus, you know darn well you don't know as much about your own religion as a "scholar of church history"!!
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Actually, I'm quite a scholar of church history, especially early church history. If you have studied catholic claims for thirty years and it drove you deeper into the church then obviously you didn't look very far beyond that church itself for evidence. I can give you legion of evidence that refutes catholic claims.
Are you interested? INTERESTED
If I am as ignorant as you claim, answer me this. Why Is Mary and Jesus depicted as a mother holding her child in Catholic statues?
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Why not? Mother and child w/ foster father. maybe thats not your question.
Sometimes a statue of Joseph the foster father is there also.
Told you so told you so told you so! Invictus, you know darn well you don't know as much about your own religion as a "scholar of church history"!!
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I think that's scholar of bugus google
Extra, I already said, she's in Heaven. I don't think people need to sleep in Heaven, so in that sense, she is always alert and ready to hear our requests. But omnipresent? No. She is not here on Earth. She is not on the moon or under the ocean, or in space. She is in Heaven.
As Vic said, she is the handmaiden of God. That means she is constantly doing whatever pleases the Lord. She always has, and she always will.
Extra, I already said, she's in Heaven. I don't think people need to sleep in Heaven, so in that sense, she is always alert and ready to hear our requests. But omnipresent? No. She is not here on Earth. She is not on the moon or under the ocean, or in space. She is in Heaven.
As Vic said, she is the handmaiden of God. That means she is constantly doing whatever pleases the Lord. She always has, and she always will.
Oh-no,
You are faced with a problem. If Mary is not all-knowing and not all-present, then there is now way she could hear prayers and act upon them. Imagine a hundred thousand people calling her name at the same time, could she hear each one individually and remember and be able to intercede for each individual request at the same time? The answer is no. if she is not omnipresent, she cannot be in heaven and and on earth to hear your prayers at the same time.
Priests can say whatever they want, I say make them prove it.
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The title "Queen of Heaven" began with Isis.??????
This means nothing. I thought you were going to say something.
Your link is as empty as you.
The little boy that was cured is a secular medical fact, disprove that.
Your trouble is God doesn't do what you tell him, he's not minding you,
I wonder why.
The connection between Isis and the corruption of Mary is indis****ble, and is widely accepted among scholars.
The cult of Isis had considerable influence on the Virgin Mary (Eliade 1987, 302). According to genealogies in the Books of Mathew and Luke, Joseph wasn’t the biological father of Jesus, but Jesus was still part of the line of David. In order for this to be the case, Jesus had to inherit this from his mother, who was a descendent though David’s son Nathan (Watts 1968, 103). It was this line that was supposed to link Jesus directly to the Chosen People. This is very similar to Isis, and all queens of Egypt, passing down the power of the throne through their ancestry. Another connection between Isis and Mary is motherhood. Both were mothers to kings of different sorts, but it is this motherhood that is reflected in art. Statues of Isis holding Horus to her breast look the same as statues created of Mary holding the baby Jesus to her breast. This similarity of iconography between the two is generally accepted by most scholars (Witt 1971, 272-275). A strong difference arises, though, in a direct comparison between Isis and Mary in the ways that they became mothers.
With God, all things are possible. Perhaps it is the Holy Spirit who delivers our messages to Mary. Or perhaps, because she is blessed of all women, God lets her hear our requests directly.
No matter what you think, no matter how much studiying you have done, you actually have no idea what Heaven is like. None of us do. And if you're looking for proof of ANYTHING having to do with our Lord, you are as hopeless as the atheists who demand proof. You and they, are never going to get it until the day you die. God want us to love Him through FAITH, and faith alone. So you'll never have proof of God's existance, and you'll never get proof that Mary hears our requests.
For myself, I don't need any proof. I have FAITH.
The little boy that was cured is a secular medical fact, disprove that.
Your trouble is God doesn't do what you tell him, he's not minding you,
I wonder why.
God isn't supposed to mind me, I'm supposed to mind him. As for the healing of the boy, we only have the preist's word for that. as we well know, the word of priests these days are questionable.
With God, all things are possible. Perhaps it is the Holy Spirit who delivers our messages to Mary. Or perhaps, because she is blessed of all women, God lets her hear our requests directly.
No matter what you think, no matter how much studiying you have done, you actually have no idea what Heaven is like. None of us do. And if you're looking for proof of ANYTHING having to do with our Lord, you are as hopeless as the atheists who demand proof. You and they, are never going to get it until the day you die. God want us to love Him through FAITH, and faith alone. So you'll never have proof of God's existance, and you'll never get proof that Mary hears our requests.
For myself, I don't need any proof. I have FAITH.
You can beieve that you can fly when you jump off a cliff. Faith must be rooted in something. Not the sleight words of men, but in the word of God. There is no exortation to worship Mary in the new testament.
The connection between Isis and the corruption of Mary is indis****ble, and is widely accepted among scholars.
The cult of Isis had considerable influence on the Virgin Mary (Eliade 1987, 302). According to genealogies in the Books of Mathew and Luke, Joseph wasn’t the biological father of Jesus, but Jesus was still part of the line of David. In order for this to be the case, Jesus had to inherit this from his mother, who was a descendent though David’s son Nathan (Watts 1968, 103). It was this line that was supposed to link Jesus directly to the Chosen People. This is very similar to Isis, and all queens of Egypt, passing down the power of the throne through their ancestry. Another connection between Isis and Mary is motherhood. Both were mothers to kings of different sorts, but it is this motherhood that is reflected in art. Statues of Isis holding Horus to her breast look the same as statues created of Mary holding the baby Jesus to her breast. This similarity of iconography between the two is generally accepted by most scholars (Witt 1971, 272-275). A strong difference arises, though, in a direct comparison between Isis and Mary in the ways that they became mothers.
http://hilo.hawaii.edu/academi...u/writing.php?id=143
Wow! You mean OTHER queens were married?!! And they passed their power through the female line?! And other queens had CHILDREN??!!! And somebody made statues of a woman holding her baby? Well, they MUST all be of the same woman, right? Well, heck, MY mother must have been a queen too, because I have a picture of her holding ME!!!!
"There is no exortation to worship Mary in the new testament."
I already TOLD you, Catholics don't WORSHIP Mary, they HONOR her. Big difference.
The connection between Isis and the corruption of Mary is indis****ble, and is widely accepted among scholars.
Hold on, God doesn't care what your silly scholars and you say about your
pagan Isis, that's your honey, nothing to do with the Mother of Jesus.
What I'm saying is of the Bible, your Wikipedia/google bible won't cut it.
"There is no exortation to worship Mary in the new testament."
I already TOLD you, Catholics don't WORSHIP Mary, they HONOR her. Big difference.
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if you pray to her, and give her credit for acting on that prayer, build shrines to her, and exalt her, you are worshipping her.
The connection between Isis and the corruption of Mary is indis****ble, and is widely accepted among scholars.
Hold on, God doesn't care what your silly scholars and you say about your
pagan Isis, that's your honey, nothing to do with the Mother of Jesus.
What I'm saying is of the Bible, your Wikipedia/google bible won't cut it.
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Fantastic! Book, chapter and verse for the scripture that instructs us to pray to Mary.
"There is no exortation to worship Mary in the new testament."
I already TOLD you, Catholics don't WORSHIP Mary, they HONOR her. Big difference.
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if you pray to her, and give her credit for acting on that prayer, build shrines to her, and exalt her, you are worshipping her.
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You're wrong on all counts, I've heard all this debunked crap many times before
Do you really believe you know something? You know nothing about the
power of God. You have no idea what or why God does what he does.
Thur. nite fibbull in memfo.
"There is no exortation to worship Mary in the new testament."
I already TOLD you, Catholics don't WORSHIP Mary, they HONOR her. Big difference.
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if you pray to her, and give her credit for acting on that prayer, build shrines to her, and exalt her, you are worshipping her.
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Wrong again. We don't PRAY to her, we TALK to her, the same way I already told you I sometimes talk to my late husband. We ask HER to pray for us. And we HONOR her, we do not worship her. Micelangelo made a very powerful statue of David. Does that mean he WORSHIPED David? No, he was HONORING David. If you can't see the difference then I can't make you see it. But there IS a HUGE difference.
1 peter Ch. 3 vs. 12: Fr the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open to their prayers:
From this scripture, we see that an omnicient and omnipresent God has no need of a woman to tell him what his people need.
1 Peter 5:7 Casting all your care upon HIM; for he careth for you.
Catholics teach that only Mary cares enough to get your prayers answered.
Phillippians 4:6 Be careful for nothing: but in everythingby prayer and supplication with thanksgiving, make your requests to GOD.
Mathew 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye, Our Father which art in Heaven...........
Isaiah 59:1 Behold the Lord's hand is not shortened, that it cannot save: neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear.
So we have established from scripture, that the Lord is omnicient and omnipresent, Mary is not. God has no problem hearing prayers, therefore Mary is not needed. It is an insult to God, who cared enough about us to send his own son to die on the Cross, to then be told he doesn't care enough about us and needs a woman he created to tell him what we need.
"There is no exortation to worship Mary in the new testament."
I already TOLD you, Catholics don't WORSHIP Mary, they HONOR her. Big difference.
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if you pray to her, and give her credit for acting on that prayer, build shrines to her, and exalt her, you are worshipping her.
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Wrong again. We don't PRAY to her, we TALK to her, the same way I already told you I sometimes talk to my late husband. We ask HER to pray for us. And we HONOR her, we do not worship her. Micelangelo made a very powerful statue of David. Does that mean he WORSHIPED David? No, he was HONORING David. If you can't see the difference then I can't make you see it. But there IS a HUGE difference.
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But he didn't pray to David.
Now, since by reasonable assumption we conclude that Mary is in Heaven and she is not omnipresent (everywhere at the same time) could she then be able to hear the prayers of people all around the world? The scriptures say no.
Ecclesiates 9:2-6 "There is one event to the righteous and the wicked......" "but the dead know not anything...their love, their hatred, and their envy is perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in anything that is done under the sun".
So we see that after death, we have no more knowlege of what happens on Earth. ( under the sun).
Therefore Mary cannot hear our prayers.
Again.
1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
There is only ONE mediator, not two, not more than two. Only one.
Further breakdown on the mother and child worship of the ancient world. Confirming that it originated with Nimrod and his wife Isis. That this religion was spread throughout the ancient world and is still worshipped today in many countries like India.
The Catholic worship of Mary comes from these ancient cults, NOT THE BIBLE.