Harlem church sign sparks outrage

That's a church getting involved in politics. It also smells of racism and hate speech. Wonder if they've lost their tax exempt status. Bet not.

James David might be living on the down low himself. Black guys have no

problem finding whatever type of sex they want. I wonder if his boy friend

ran off with a rich white man?

Good point.

If those homo demons don't get him a drone probably will.

Hi all,

Personally, I find this to be repulsive and will declare that this man and his teachings are not Biblical.

Okay, many of you will jump with joy and glee -- yelling at the top of your lungs, "Bill Gray, you are contradicting yourself!"  

No, not at all.  I still feel very strongly that the Bible teaches that the homosexual lifestyle is very wrong and is still an abomination in the eyes of God.  That is fact.  And the fact that God's Grace has tempered God's Law does not mean that God's Law is not still valid.  

What was a sin in the Old Testament is still a sin today.  The difference being that, while we all were under the penalty of death for our sin nature -- Jesus Christ died on the cross to make Himself the full payment for our death penalty which we deserve.   He paid our death penalty -- so that we might choose to live eternally in the presence of God.

So, yes, homosexuality is still a sin, and still an abomination to God.   But, since Jesus Christ has already "paid in full" our sin debt to God -- each of us may choose to repent, to turn from, our sin life and live for Christ.

That said, it appears to me that this man is trying to make his church (notice I said "his church" and not God's church) into the new Westboro Baptist church.  Maybe with the declining health of Pastor Fred Phelps of Westboro Baptist -- he sees himself as the new Fred Phelps.

Now, that is definitely a great example of setting one's goals way too low!   Seems like he has set his bar about one inch off the ground when he mimics Fred Phelpls.

So, what do we know about this man?

James David Manning

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_David_Manning

James David Manning (born February 20, 1947)[1] is chief pastor at the ATLAH World Missionary Church on 123rd Street in New York City. Manning grew up in Red Springs, North Carolina, born to an African American family, and has been at ATLAH since 1981.  ATLAH stands for All The Land Anointed Holy, which is Manning's name for Harlem.[2]

Manning's congregation, "ATLAH Worldwide Missionary Church" is the former Bethelite Missionary Baptist Church.  The church is also the site of the ATLAH Theological Seminary, which offers classes on preaching and prophecy.[3] 

Through the ATLAH church, Manning hosts an online series called The Manning Report, which features criticism on such topics as the negative influence of black celebrities, homosexuality and the alleged criminal acts of current U.S. President Barack Obama.

Beginning study in 1982, Manning graduated from Union Theological Seminary in the City of New York where he was awarded a Master of Divinity in 1985.[5]

Manning also holds a Doctor of Philosophy degree from his own ATLAH Theological Seminary, an unaccredited educational institution.

And,

Union Theological Seminary (Manhattan)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U...the_City_of_New_York

Union Theological Seminary in the City of New York is an independent seminary in New York City. The school is located in Manhattan between Claremont Avenue and Broadway, 120th to 122nd Streets.  The seminary was founded in 1836 under the Presbyterian Church in the U.S.A.,[2] and is affiliated with nearby Columbia University.

In the 20th century, Union was world renowned as a center of liberal Christianity and neo-orthodoxy, in addition to being the birthplace of the Black Liberation Theology, Womanist Theology and Mujerista Theology movements.   (Mujerista Theology is an Hispanic feminist theology.)

So, since the spawning grounds of his theology were an extremely liberal seminary, one that birthed a number of Far Left Liberal movements, and his own self grown seminary -- should we be surprised that he has formed his own Manning Theology and left behind the true Biblical Theology which defines the true Christian church?   NO.

Just as we could never look at Westboro Baptist church and Fred Phelps as representing the Christian faith -- so, too, we cannot look upon this man and his church as representing the Christian faith.

On the other hand, since it was our own resident militant atheist who has introduced this issue to the Religion Forum, I am not surprised.   It seems that the only defense our atheist Friends have for their religion -- is found in their attempt to tear down the Christian church and our Christian faith.

Let's just all agree that there will always be extreme radicals in every movement.  So, we see Fred Phelps and this man, James David Manning, waving their far left radical flags -- in a feeble attempt to draw attention from God and to themselves. 

We do not look to them as flag bearers; instead, we pity them for their spiritual insecurity which causes them to seek this aberrant attention.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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He may have his own park of boy toys like our resident troll does.

He looks mean and hateful.

Crusty, my Friend,

Your question is definite proof that YOU have not given up atheism!   So sad, that you keep choosing to be against God instead of with Him.

Luke 11:15-17, 23, "But some of them said, 'He casts out demons by Beelzebul, the ruler of the demons.'  (16) Others, to test Him, were demanding of Him a sign from heaven. (17) But He knew their thoughts and said to them, 'Any kingdom divided against itself is laid waste; and a house divided against itself falls. . . (23) He who is not with Me is against Me; and he who does not gather with Me, scatters.'"

My Friend, are YOU sure that is where YOU want to be?  Think about it!   For YOUR eternal life depends upon where you stand -- with Him, or against Him.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Bill, you have just made up a post and cited me as the originator.  Stop that.  Jesus doesn't need you to lie for him, nor does he condone it.

Now to the point in question, you say that "God's law" is still valid.  Why do you continue to eat pork? 

Crusty, my Friend,

No, quite the opposite.  YOU cherry picked a few words out of my previous post -- hoping to make it read like you wanted.   All I did was to show our Forum Friends my full statement.  But, as a courtesy to you, I did bold the portion you had cherry picked.

So, if anyone is guilty of misquoting -- IT IS YOU, my Friend.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

No misquote.  I quoted you exactly.  I pulled out a pertinent passage.  You speak  such loopy-loop, roundabout, jibber-jabber that it is necessary to pull out the cognizant portion.  In your case it is usually about two sentences out of every 30 paragraphs.

Or are you saying that a full paragraph of yours doesn't contain a full, logical thought?  If that is the case, you suck at writing.

Crusty, my Friend,

You appear to read posts like you read the Bible -- pulling out, or cherry picking, a few sentences out of context; hoping that can prove your erroneous thinking.

You cannot pull passages out of context in Scripture to make a theology.  And, you cannot pull another person's writing out  of context -- to prove your erroneous, confused thinking.

Bless your "out of context" little heart!

Bill

BELIEVE IT OR NOT,

CRUSTY WAS THERE!

PAUL'S THORN IN HIS BOTTOM!

2 Corinthians 12:7

So, why do you still eat pork?

So, is this preacher the "Black Fred Phelps"?

No he isn't, he just doesn't want to be the only one without a white Homo

in his neck of the woods.