Hate/Bitterness

Back in May of this year (not the only time he has sang his praises) Bill gave us these scriptures as a way to try & make himself look good. If we’re all against him, then it just shows what a wonderful Christian he is.

Originally Posted By Bill Gray:

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Luke 21:17, "And you will be hated by all because of My name."

John 15:18. "If the world hates you, you know that it has hated Me before it hated you."

Notice that Jesus does not warn us that the world will LOVE us for His sake -- but, that the world will HATE us because of His name.

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The Bible I've read says "Love is not jealous or boastful or proud or rude. It does not demand its own way. It is not irritable and it keeps no record of being wronged. It does not rejoice about injustice, but rejoices whenever the truth wins out. Love never gives up, never loses faith, is always hopeful, and endures through every circumstance".

Bill Gray is boastful, proud & rude. He demands his way is the only way. He is irritable & keeps records of who “wronged” him.

The Bible warns us not to judge others, to be careful about judging, but, instead, seek to please God. Only God can judge the actions of others.

The Bible warns you to be careful about judging others because when you do, you are condemning yourselves because you do the same things for which you pass judgment on others (Romans 2:1). Man has a bad tendency to judge by appearances rather than by the things that matter (John 7:24). The Bible says "God will bring every deed into judgment, including every hidden thing, whether it is good or evil" (Ecclesiastes 12:14) That’s why you do not need to sit in judgment of another.

The Bible says to stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother's way, (Romans 14:13). Instead, you should judge yourselves (1 Corinthians 11:31). Mercy triumphs over judgment: "Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom, because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment!" (James 2:12-13).

Just a few verses that mention love, something Bill Gray has no clue about.

 John 13:34-35

1 Corinthians 16:14 

Galatians 5:22-23

Colossians 3:12-15.

1 John 4:7-8

1 Corinthians 13:1-8

Billy is like that noisy gong or a clanging cymbal that 1 Corinthians speaks of. Wonder how long it will take Billy to say I'm spreading that "Hate/Bitterness' around again?

Semi,

Do yourself a favor and don't give a rats A** what Bill thinks you will be a happier person!!

Didn't he also call amputees abominations and say god hated them? His rant towards me was after I reminded him of some of his past posts, and after he had basically accused me of "sexting and going wild" when he jumped in on a conversation between me and skippy about how some teen girls act today. It was funny, he got all puffed up. He likes to dish it out, but he sure can't take it.

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I don't think people care what he thinks, they're just gobsmacked at his cluelessness.

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Thank you, but I really don't give a rats azz. If I get any happier, I'll explode. I think it's funny that the old man thinks he's actually doing any good on here. I want people to see that Billy is the one with the Hate & Bitterness. You can see it in every post he makes.

And for those people that Billy says he's trying to reach here. Those that "read but don't post". I would love to hear from some more of them.

Anyone notice that Billy "know it all" Gray is staying away from this topic?

halfazzann, dear it's time to check yourself in. Crust will drive you.

Evidently Bill is still spreading the lie around that I hate him & anyone else that mentions God. How many times do I have to say I do not hate Bill Gray, or anyone that talks/discusses God? I do despise Bill for the false confessions he makes on this forum but I don't hate him. I have to think of the source in which his lies comes from. The fact that he has stayed away from this topic to answer to the claims made shows just exactly what a coward & liar he is.

Not one person on this forum is safe from Billy, except his alter ego's. Even those of you that believe the man to be a Christian is not safe from him & his attacks.

Consider the person who sincerely posted this in David's discussion titled "Gracious":

No, I am not a Christian, but I despise (not hate) Bill Gray in that he leads people astray with his lies & that upsets me because I don't want people to be in the place that I am.

So, what is the difference between despising someone and hating someone?

What is the difference between "despise" and "hate"?
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"Despise" is a stronger word than "hate."   When you say that you despise someone, it implies that you "hate" that person, but it also carries with it the sense that you have contempt for him/her. 

In other words, when you hate someone, you dislike the individual intensely, but when you "despise" him, you not only dislike him, but you also look down on him.  So, when you despise someone, you consider him being beneath you; you may think that the individual is worthless.  The word "hate" does not carry with it this negative connotation.  You can hate someone who is superior to you.

While I prefer to say that Chick has intense bitterness toward me, bordering on hate -- she prefers to go stronger and say that she "despises" me.   Okay, I will take her word for it.  For who should know her feelings better than her?

But, Chick, I still love you with a Christian love -- and I pray that some day, before it is too late -- you will reverse your status declared when you wrote, "No, I am not a Christian, . . ."   With all my heart, I do pray that you will reconsider that position; for I cannot believe that anyone would purposely choose an eternity void of the presence and love of God.

And, please keep this in mind.  When you choose that for yourself, you may also be influencing those you love toward that same eternal fate.  

Can you honestly tell us that you prefer to see your loved ones in hell?   I do not believe that!    My Friend, please reconsider.  If not for your own sake, at least for those in your sphere of influence.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

billy said

"Despise" is a stronger word than "hate."   When you say that you despise someone, it implies that you "hate" that person, but it also carries with it the sense that you have contempt for him/her. 

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I've always read that hate was stronger than despise.

Here are the definitions from The Oxford American Dictionary:

despise :: verb feel contempt or a deep repugnance for

hate :: verb feel intense or passionate dislike for (someone)

It seems that despise is more about scorn and disapproval. I guess that could lead to the emotion of hate, but not necessarily. It may be that you despise something (disapprove of it) but you aren’t a complete hater. It’s also possible that you hate something but aren’t bitter toward it.

How about "can't stand him"? 

can't stomach someone or something

Billy, I read your post because of this topic in which you posted. I thought just maybe you might have taken the proof I put here & took it upon yourself to apologize to some people for the terrible things you have said to them. What was I thinking? How can someone feel bad about something he did/said to someone when there is no love or compassion within his evil soul??

Billy, why can you not see what is put right in front of you? Do you ignore it on purpose or you just don't get it? I said I despise you in that you lead  people astray with your lies. That means I despise what you do, what you stand for. Hate is a very strong word but you use it a lot against all of us. It seems to be all you know. I honestly feel sorry for you but I feel sorry so much more for your wife, her children & her grandchildren that they have to live with your judgement & scorn. I'm sure they feel they have no voice against you, for you are truly an evil man.

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Billy, there’s no need for you to keep on with your lies. With the exception of 3 people, possibly 4, the majority of us don’t want your lies of love & friendship. We understand that it’s your NPD coming out, but I think you could control it if you wanted to.

Believe what you want, I really don’t care. But remember one thing, according to your OSAS message that Satan gives you to fool people, I am saved, I am going to Heaven.

My going to Hell has nothing to do with my family. Show me where you have ever seen me say that I prefer to see the people I love in hell! You can’t, it’s just another one of your many lies. My family is Christian people & have nothing to fear from me. I love them & they love me & that’s all that matters. My family is none of your business.

Semi, hell doesn't exist, but even if there was a hell, you wouldn't be going there.

Yah, seriously. Nobody really cares what BeeG thinks or says because pretty much everybody knows he's a sham.

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You know it definitely doesn't exist, but I don't know for sure if it does/doesn't. If it does, according to the Bible, I will definitely go there.

Hi Chick,

It is well known that all of us have what is called a "sphere of influence" -- even if one is not trying to influence others.  Children and young people are particularly vulnerable to this influence. 

Care for an example?   Take a look at most of the current fashion trends among young people.  Odds are very high that any particular "so called new fashion" was first seen on a celebrity.   I have often said that if Madonna, or more up to date, Justin Bieber or Miley Cyrus, were seen on the street wearing a hat made of dog droppings -- the next day we would see a million young people, and even some older folks -- wearing a hat made of dog droppings.   In such a case, we can attribute that to this celebrity's "sphere of influence."

You tell me, "My going to Hell has nothing to do with my family.  Show me where you have ever seen me say that I prefer to see the people I love in hell!  You can’t, it’s just another one of your many lies."

Are you sure that YOU do not have any influence on others?  Any young children or young adults in your family?   Have you ever noticed them watching you closely; or listening closely to what you say?   That, my Friend, is your "sphere of influence" working.

Have you ever dropped a pebble into a body of water?  You notice a series of wave circles emanating from the point of contact.  Those are called "concentric circles" and that is a good representation of our own personal "spheres of influence."

Just as ripples spread out when a single pebble is dropped into water, the actions of individuals can have far-reaching effects."  -- Dalai Lama

While you may not be telling anyone they should want to go to hell -- when you declare that hell is your chosen final eternal home; how much does that choice influence those in your "sphere of influence?"  Think about it.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

I can just imagine what old Billy said if it was in reply to my last post. Even though my post was to Jenn, we all know he sticks his nose into things that's none of his business. BUT if he did answer to the accusations I made against him in this topic, someone let me know. My guess is he didn't, that's just something he doesn't do because he's a coward & Satan's boy toy.

Billy, the "Christian" is talking trash about one of us again. This time it's Dove of Peace he's trashing. Be sure to notice his "prove it" statement, accusing her of "throwing up a higher smoke screen", & calling her a phony. Kinda like the pot calling the kettle black, ain't it? His work for Satan is coming to light more & more with every post he makes.

Those 2-3 of you that believe Billy to be a Christian, I would love for you to show me the Christ like behavior that makes Billy a Christian.

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12/16/2013

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

So, it appears to me that if Davd, you, myself, or anyone truly believes what the Bible teaches -- that person should be willing AND ABLE to defend his/her beliefs.   But, when all we get from folks is a "dance around the May Pole" -- we have to wonder if that person is not just throwing up a smoke screen.

Actually, Dove, you are the biggest "smoke screeener" on the Religion Forum.  You come here knocking me for defending the faith -- you find fault with everything I write.  Yet, you NEVER offer any Scriptural or Christian input on the forum.  

I am beginning to believe you are just a phony who comes here to stir up trouble -- but, have nothing positive to contribute.

If I am wrong, then prove it.  Or will you just throw up a higher smoke screeen?

Aw, gee, Chick,

I am so happy that you miss me!   It is such a blessing having a dear Friend like you.

May God pour out His blessings upon you and your family.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

bill

Looks like those 2-3 people either can't or refuse to show me that Christ like behavior that makes ole Billy a Christian.

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billy is a pure breed Jack Chick disciple. They're here and out there.

I will but chime in here only to say that I regard being a Christian as an oozing process.  By this I mean that it isn't what you SAY or boast but rather what you DO.  Action not words and I believe that Paul summed it up very succinctly in Galatians 5:22-25 where he references fruits of the Spirit meaning that the outward (observable) actions such as those listed can be used to develop an opinion about if a person is demonstrating  "fruits" of God's Holy Spirit.  

God's Holy Spirit by dwelling within the Christian changes the person from within, changes their outlook on life and their whole being for that matter and over time you see signs that just come from and come out from the person having God's presence, His Holy Spirit, within their bodies ministering unto them and confirming unto them their commitment.  That scripture says:

Galatians 5:22-26 (Contemporary English Version)
²²  God's Spirit makes us loving, happy, peaceful, patient, kind, good, faithful,
²³  gentle, and self-controlled. There is no law against behaving in any of these ways.
²⁴  And because we belong to Christ Jesus, we have killed our selfish feelings and desires.
²⁵  God's Spirit has given us life, and so we should follow the Spirit.
²⁶  But don't be conceited or make others jealous by claiming to be better than they are. 

 

While I fully believe that we, as Christians, are not to judge others or our fellow Christians, with respect to personal salvation I also believe that we are to test those whom claim to speak for Christ to insure that they are providing accurate doctrine and test those doctrines against the Scriptures to see that they are true to them and Christ Teachings.  The only thing we have to make judgments on, regarding teachings or doctrines, are the teachings of Christ and the Scriptures as recorded by those who walked with and knew Christ.  As for those who claim Christ as their savior then if they are dwelling in God's will then God's Holy Spirit's fruits will naturally ooze from them in that others can see Christ in and through them whether or not they ever say a word of witness or testimony.

Now regarding being critical of our fellow brothers and sisters in Christ or being Judgmental of others as far as their outward conduct in comparisons to our own standards or convictions I prefer to personally try and take Christ example and I believe this is no more better illustrated than from the Gospel of John.

John 3:16-18 (Contemporary English Version)
¹⁶  God loved the people of this world so much that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who has faith in him will have eternal life and never really die.
¹⁷  God did not send his Son into the world to condemn its people. He sent him to save them!
¹⁸  No one who has faith in God's Son will be condemned. But everyone who doesn't have faith in him has already been condemned for not having faith in God's only Son.

 

In short ours is not to condemn for all of us (saved or not) are condemned already but through Christ is found salvation from that condemnation.  Christ came to save those, all of us, under condemnation, and in His earthly ministry spent His time and ministry doing just that, meeting needs and bringing folks to the knowledge of Himself and the Father.  Those whom Christ did vent HIs anger and emotions as were those whom were representing God in a false and deceptive way or who was taking advantage of people/believers all in the very temple that they came to worship at and in and in the confines of God's own Home.  

So, I believe, we are not to Judge one another other than to insure that where God is represented it is done honestly and when it isn't to defend the faith, our faith, and present the gospel as Christ gave it unto us.  While we are to be self critical and reproach our fellow believers when they are not being representative of our God and Savior Christ Jesus we are not here to cast judgment upon those outside the House of God and who are not spending their time representing God and the Cause of Christ.  Note that it was the Pharisees and Scribes that Christ continued to confront rather than the folks like the woman at the well or Matthew the Tax Collector and others whom were living under the curse of sin and condemnation.  To those Christ provided comfort and ministered to their needs and revealed Himself and God unto them and forward unto us, through the Holy Spirit, in a very personal way.   And that is the way I personally look at it.

Originally Posted by gbrk:

While I fully believe that we, as Christians, are not to judge others or our fellow Christians, with respect to personal salvation

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I don't see how it's judging if someone says a person that claims to be a Christian is not acting/talking/living in a Christ like manner. There's only two things that person could be doing, living for Christ (trying to act Christ like) or for Satan. Either one could easily be seen. If he/she is not acting in a Christ like manner, then he/she is not a Christian.

Saying Bill Gray is a Christian is nothing more than Blasphemy.

Blasphemy: the act of insulting or showing contempt. Have you ever seen Bill not do either of those two to the people on this forum? To answer that question would not fall under judging. You've either seen it or you haven't.

Semi,,what is your fixation with Bill? Why don't you give it a **** rest for a change? Put him on ignore, your spewing on here is really getting old..more so than his post. get a grip, move on, and shut the hell up for once. You must have a crush on him because he is all that is on your mind. I don't get on here often these days but you can bet your sweet ass that every time I do you are talking about Bill, think about it. Get another interest. 

Chillin&Grillin, you don't like my stance on calling attention to a rotten apple pretending to be ripe? Use that ignore feature......it's so simple even a caveman can do it.

You've just put yourself out there as one of those that believes the old man is a Christian. Amazing!!

To others on the forum: Wasn't Chillin recently named as one of Billy's other ID's?

Why dont you take a dose of your own medicine? Why dont you put Bill on ignore? And another thing,,when you are called out , you always cry help. Look at you asking other forum members to jump in the conversation between you and I? I know you can put him on ignore,,even a caveman can do it. And I promise you this is not Bill.  You make me sick. I bet you was the biggest tattletale in school, and little cry baby. Come on other forum members, semi needs you to take up for her crying azz now. Hurry. Stand on your own two feet and take your medicine like a big girl. If you jump on others here someone will jump you too. If you cant stand it then shut your mouth and stop talking about other people. Thats all you do on here.

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 Hugs back at cha!

Quaildog has decided to talk in his ChillinGrillin ID, & He knows I have Billy boy on block. You just have to consider the source, that's why I don't let his crap bother me. You have to feel sorry for people like him.

I feel sorry for those who see fit constantly to belittle those with whom they disagree. Aren't you doing the same thing you're accusing Bill of?

Oh brother, now that is funny.

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billie, who is constantly offensive makes it difficult for anything but defensive.

If you can't say anything without his attack, you tend to tire quickly and then

attempt to beat him off of yourself. Isn't that what you do?

You dont know crap Semi! but you think you know it all, sad. 

Championing Bill? What another lie. I've said nothing to champion Bill. I've accused you of being as hate filled as anyone I've ever seen on this forum. You also constantly accuse posters of being those they aren't. You backtrack when someone asks why you posted something inflammatory--you just thought it was funny. Sure. Derogatory remarks about others are always funny to you, but they aren't to most caring people.

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Thank you for recognizing that I don't know crap. Don't you just hate those that act like they do? Hope you & your family have a wonderful Holiday.

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You do know what it means when you talk to yourself or comment to your own post, don't you?

This deserves to be put in this topic. Another instance of this “Christian” & the garbage he puts on here about another person, & if you notice, his bagging on himself is getting much worse. This is in talking about Dove in the topic “A Real Cause for Christian Outrage” on 1/4/14.

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi all,

Let's take a look at what we have here:

On one side, we have a fairly well thought out, Biblically based analysis of the issue -- from Bill Gray.

On the other side, we have ranting and raving, Biblically illiterate salivating and slobbering, and inane childish comments -- from a Roman Catholic Friend, and a Roman Catholic wannabe Friend.

Personally, I believe i will stay with the Biblically based analysis of the issue.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill