The first tax to hit Americans from the health care bill is the 10% tax on tanning bed usage. Is this a tax on white people only? I'm not a tanning bed user and would like some input from those that do use them. Are whites the only people that use tanning beds?

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I don't use a tanning bed, but I did when I was in high school, and I always saw a black girl there that was a classmate of mine. Despite being African American, she had light skin and wanted a tan. I definitely would think a greater number of whites use the beds, though.

I went to the tanning bed for my mild psoriasis per my doc's recommendation (clears it right up!). I used sunscreen while in the bed. I think it is very unfair to tax tanning bed usage when it is used as light therapy for the treatment of a skin disease.
I do not use tanning beds, but my sister goes to a tanning salon every spring to get what she calls a “base tan”. My in-laws have a bed in their home.

From what I have read, this tax goes into effect on July 1st this year and is expected to bring in 2.7 billion in taxes over the next decade. There are an estimated 20,000 tanning salons across the US. Most are mom and pop salons.

What is crazy to me is that it shifted from a “Bo-tax” (botox tax) to this indoor tanning tax because Allegran, the makers of botox, lobbied that it was discriminating to women. Women are also the biggest users of indoor tanning. Also, if this tax is to reduce the cost of health care in the future and to make revenue then where do you draw the line on other health risks? Driving a car is a risk to your health. Eating junk food everyday is a risk to your health. Not exercising is a risk.
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psoriasis

We just purchased a tanning bed, my husband says it eases his joint pain with his arthritis. Friends have told me it is helpful for psoriasis. I will use it sparingly.
I am not concerned for the tax on tanning beds or it being racist, we all should be upset that the democrats opted out of the health care bill, they will not buy their insurance form the government pool, but continue on the Cadillac plan they have now.
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Originally posted by ferrellj:
The first tax to hit Americans from the health care bill is the 10% tax on tanning bed usage. Is this a tax on white people only? I'm not a tanning bed user and would like some input from those that do use them. Are whites the only people that use tanning beds?


Its a stupid tax. But the idea behind it is that people who use tanning bed are jeopardizing their health. There is a large instance of skin cancer among tanning bed users. It is just like smoking or obesity. If you smoke or are obese you will pay higher insurance rates because you are of higher risk.
They are not going to tax smokers or obesity because you already pay higher premimums. Tanners don't pay higher premiums but are riskier to insure...thus the tax. But its still stupid!
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we all should be upset that the democrats opted out of the health care bill, they will not buy their insurance form the government pool, but continue on the Cadillac plan they have now.


So people that support welfare should only use food stamps and other government provided assistance?
I can't wait until those of you rich enough to own tanning beds are required to get a permit to have one, so they can start sending those too poor to have one to your house to use your bed. Everyone has the right not to be pasty white.!!
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Originally posted by hayssco23:
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we all should be upset that the democrats opted out of the health care bill, they will not buy their insurance form the government pool, but continue on the Cadillac plan they have now.


So people that support welfare should only use food stamps and other government provided assistance?


I'm confussed. The Republicans opted out, them Democrats passed the bill. Cadillac plans typically constist of plans with preventative care. Preventative care is guaranteed in all plans with the passage of the bill. Therefore, cadillac plans should really become a thing of the past. Not to mention the fact that this bill doesn't force anyone to buy from a government pool. If you want to keep paying for your current plan you may choose to do so. The government pool is just another option for people who don't have a company health insurance plan and have to buy private insurance WHICH IS VERY, VERY EXPENSIVE. I was paying close to $900.00 per month for me and my son. It groups people together (like those in a company) and allows them to buy at similar discounted volume rates that insurers offer to businesses for their employees. The more people you have on a policy the cheaper it is.
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Originally posted by True-Blue:
The more people you have on a policy the cheaper it is.


Wrong, the lower the combined risk factor to the insurance company, the lower the cost. If a group of HIV/Aids patients banded together and negotiated a group plan, I am pretty sure they'd pay higher premiums than a group that had not been ill in many years. With the Exchange or whatever they are calling this, if only those who goto the doctor regularly opt in, the cost will be much higher than it would if the same number of people opted in that didn't regularly go to the doctor
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Originally posted by True-Blue:
I was paying close to $900.00 per month for me and my son.


Blue? didn't I just read in another thread that you owned a business employing 47 people? Why aren't you on your company's health plan?
The Republicans didn't opt out, the Democrats did. The cadillac plans are the ones with little or no deductibles or co-pays. The Republicans introduced an amendment requiring members of Congress to use healthcare from the Obama plan. It was voted down by the Democrats. To be fair though they knew before they introduced it that it would be voted down.
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If you want to keep paying for your current plan you may choose to do so.
That sounds good but my plan won't be around for long. I don't agree with the way insurance companies set their rates but with the new rules in place now you can bet everyones insurance rates are going to go up in the coming years, a lot. In the end the federal government will be the only source for health insurance.
I hate the way the president used the idea of no insurance for people and that people can't get health care. You see dozens of people in the ER who don't have a lick of insurance and they don't pay. There are free clinics in our area where you don't have to pay to get treated. He lied all the way around. It's a shame that most of the people who voted this crap in were too stupid to see what is going on.
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Originally posted by HARLEY FLSTS:
It's a shame that most of the people who voted this crap in were too stupid to see what is going on.


When Repubs vote for something that makes a lot of people upset, are they stupid also?

When Pres Bush stopped the 3.5% pay raise for the military, I don't remember Repubs calling him stupid.
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Originally posted by Jon:
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Originally posted by True-Blue:
The more people you have on a policy the cheaper it is.


Wrong, the lower the combined risk factor to the insurance company, the lower the cost. If a group of HIV/Aids patients banded together and negotiated a group plan, I am pretty sure they'd pay higher premiums than a group that had not been ill in many years. With the Exchange or whatever they are calling this, if only those who goto the doctor regularly opt in, the cost will be much higher than it would if the same number of people opted in that didn't regularly go to the doctor


Hmmm....thats a good point! But the more employees a company has to buy into a policy the better the rate they get. If you consider the fact that it is much easier and cheaper to treat bronchitis with an office visit than it is to wait until it becomes pnemonia and you are admitted to the hospital for a week. That doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Besides, preventative care coverage is now mandatory on all insurance.
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Originally posted by Jon:
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Originally posted by True-Blue:
I was paying close to $900.00 per month for me and my son.


Blue? didn't I just read in another thread that you owned a business employing 47 people? Why aren't you on your company's health plan?


Notice the words "WAS PAYING". I just expanded my business in December. We do have a company plan now. But 47 employees doesn't buy me a lot of leverage. Its still very, very expensive. And it seems I will be having a number of employees opting out next June because they feel it is too expensive. So, its still unclear if I will be able to continue to offer any benefits under a company plan. Even with the tax breaks the new bill will offer me.
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Originally posted by True-Blue:

Notice the words "WAS PAYING". I just expanded my business in December. We do have a company plan now. But 47 employees doesn't buy me a lot of leverage. Its still very, very expensive. And it seems I will be having a number of employees opting out next June because they feel it is too expensive. So, its still unclear if I will be able to continue to offer any benefits under a company plan. Even with the tax breaks the new bill will offer me.


I've posted a couple links to the bill. I hope you've started reading it, You will continue to offer health plan, if I rememeber correctly what I read last night, you are going to pay 65% of your employees premiums. I wish you luck staying in business.
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Originally posted by Jon:
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Originally posted by True-Blue:

Notice the words "WAS PAYING". I just expanded my business in December. We do have a company plan now. But 47 employees doesn't buy me a lot of leverage. Its still very, very expensive. And it seems I will be having a number of employees opting out next June because they feel it is too expensive. So, its still unclear if I will be able to continue to offer any benefits under a company plan. Even with the tax breaks the new bill will offer me.


I've posted a couple links to the bill. I hope you've started reading it, You will continue to offer health plan, if I rememeber correctly what I read last night, you are going to pay 65% of your employees premiums. I wish you luck staying in business.


Being a lib, she'll be looking for a government bailout. Unfortunately for her, she won't qualify.
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Originally posted by HARLEY FLSTS:

When neither party listens to what 60-80% of our nation are against, I consider them STUPID!


Welcome to the Libertarian Party, betcha Blue joins us tomorrow when she reads the bill. I bet she doesn't sleep till she gets through all 2300 some odd pages to see what else she was lied to about.
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Originally posted by Jon:
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Originally posted by HARLEY FLSTS:

When neither party listens to what 60-80% of our nation are against, I consider them STUPID!


Welcome to the Libertarian Party, betcha Blue joins us tomorrow when she reads the bill. I bet she doesn't sleep till she gets through all 2300 some odd pages to see what else she was lied to about.


Nah, she's just another liberal woman in the dims' pocket. They would claim they were okay if their hair was on fire. Smiler
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Originally posted by SHELDIVR:
It's NOT just tanning beds and Botox...you will find that under Obama's plan, ALL elective and/or cosmetic procedures will be subject to punitive taxation (fines) with taxes collected going to support Obama Care.


Actually the Botox people got that tax pulled out of the final bill. Convinced the Democrats that is would be discriminatory to women, so they went after the tanning beds. Everyone has the right no to be pasty white!!
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Originally posted by Jon:
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Originally posted by HARLEY FLSTS:

When neither party listens to what 60-80% of our nation are against, I consider them STUPID!


Welcome to the Libertarian Party, betcha Blue joins us tomorrow when she reads the bill. I bet she doesn't sleep till she gets through all 2300 some odd pages to see what else she was lied to about.


NOPE Jon, as long as "THE RICH" are sufficiently PUNISHED (taxed) and the "poor" are cared for from cradle to grave, the left wing ding bats will be perfectly contented.
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Originally posted by Jon:
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Originally posted by SHELDIVR:
It's NOT just tanning beds and Botox...you will find that under Obama's plan, ALL elective and/or cosmetic procedures will be subject to punitive taxation (fines) with taxes collected going to support Obama Care.


Actually the Botox people got that tax pulled out of the final bill. Convinced the Democrats that is would be discriminatory to women, so they went after the tanning beds. Everyone has the right no to be pasty white!!


Can you imagine pelosi without botox and face-lifts? Eeker NEVER MIND! Red Face
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Originally posted by True-Blue:
I was paying close to $900.00 per month for me and my son.


If your coverage didn't include things that you don't need, eg:Viagra, and all this little crap that you could pay yourself (eyeglasses) they could charge less for insurance, if they would. Why we need to be able to shop around for our insurance. Too late now. Obambicare has solved all our insurance problems, of course.
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Originally posted by flotown79:
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Originally posted by HARLEY FLSTS:
It's a shame that most of the people who voted this crap in were too stupid to see what is going on.


When Repubs vote for something that makes a lot of people upset, are they stupid also?

When Pres Bush stopped the 3.5% pay raise for the military, I don't remember Repubs calling him stupid.


Stupidity knows no party. It's happened on both sides. Just because one side has done it doesn't make it right for the other side. I tried that excuse when I was a kid and it didn't work then either.
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Originally posted by True-Blue:
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Originally posted by Jon:
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Originally posted by True-Blue:
I was paying close to $900.00 per month for me and my son.


Blue? didn't I just read in another thread that you owned a business employing 47 people? Why aren't you on your company's health plan?


Notice the words "WAS PAYING". I just expanded my business in December. We do have a company plan now. But 47 employees doesn't buy me a lot of leverage. Its still very, very expensive. And it seems I will be having a number of employees opting out next June because they feel it is too expensive. So, its still unclear if I will be able to continue to offer any benefits under a company plan. Even with the tax breaks the new bill will offer me.


I thought this wondeful Obama bill was going to help you? Help from Obama and lower insurance and medical costs, why wouldn't you be able to afford it?
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Originally posted by Road Puppy:
Don't like the tax?
Here's a thought... GO OUTSIDE in the sun. It's FREEEEE! Duh.


I don't tan inside or out. Just because I have the right not to be pasty white, I prefer it. I just find it funny that they had to toss that into this "Landmark Legislation". You know it was added to replace a tax on Botox injections because the makers convinced the Democrats that a tax on Botox was discriminatory towards women.
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Originally posted by CageTheElephant:
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Originally posted by kperk014:
Can you imagine pelosi without botox and face-lifts? NEVER MIND!



Yep...I can...but then we would have to call her..."Michael Myers"


When I first glanced at your post, the first thing that came to mind was "michael moore" Big Grin I'm not sure which one is worse.
Tanning is a great thing to tax because 1) its a frivolous expense and not a necessity just like cigarettes and 2) the American Cancer Society states based on studies from the IARC and WHO that tanning has been elevated "to its highest cancer risk category – "carcinogenic to humans" (Group 1)" which means that it is now in the same category of cancer causing agents as cigarettes. Due to it being such a frivolous expense and health risk the people choosing to tan should have to pay a tax to tan inorder to subsidize their future cancer treatments and other related health problems.

If you really want to get around this tax, walk your white pasty hiny outside and enjoy the sun by the pool during the summer and tan that way. People in Alabama look ridiculous walking around in the winter month of January with a deep gold tan. Every knows you sure didn't get it naturally.

Whether its a tax against whites, I am not sure, I know hispanic people in Florida that tan so I don't know if white people are the only race that use a tanning bed or not. It might be a stretch to say its racist.

Linkd to the ACS site:
http://www.cancer.org/docroot/...Risk_Agency_Says.asp
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Tanning is a great thing to tax because


Unless you are the proprietor of a tanning facility, or the customer of one, it's not your money changing hands. It's not for you, or anyone, to make the decision that the government is entitled to some of that money.
I am a tax paying citizen and I don't want to be funding cancer treatments through medicare for people that like to lay in tanning beds when they know it causes cancer, so I say tax the CRAP out of it, tax the CRAP out of cigarettes and just about any other unhealthy option people want to pursue too. Its not fair for my health premiums and taxes to go up because someone wants a deeper darker complexion so I think it is my decision.
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Originally posted by PowerGen81:
I am a tax paying citizen and I don't want to be funding cancer treatments through medicare for people that like to lay in tanning beds when they know it causes cancer, so I say tax the CRAP out of it, tax the CRAP out of cigarettes and just about any other unhealthy option people want to pursue too. Its not fair for my health premiums and taxes to go up because someone wants a deeper darker complexion so I think it is my decision.


Be careful there hoss. Do you eat junk food? Sweets? Red meat? If you do, just wait. They'll be in YOUR pocket next because they deem those foods to be health hazards and they'll be taxing the CRAP outta you. Big Grin Don't just look at today without looking at what that may cause tomorrow.
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I am a tax paying citizen and I don't want to be funding cancer treatments through medicare for people that like to lay in tanning beds when they know it causes cancer, so I say tax the CRAP out of it, tax the CRAP out of cigarettes and just about any other unhealthy option people want to pursue too. Its not fair for my health premiums and taxes to go up because someone wants a deeper darker complexion so I think it is my decision.


Your real grievance should be with the fact that your money is funding Medicare. If you want to go down the road of stealing money from people who might do something that one day requires medical treatment, be prepared for your own money to be stolen and for everything you buy to cost more. And by the way, it's not your decision if we do things your way. It becomes the governments decision to decide what should be taxed and what should be treated.
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Originally posted by crash davis:
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Originally posted by PowerGen81:
I am a tax paying citizen and I don't want to be funding cancer treatments through medicare for people that like to lay in tanning beds when they know it causes cancer, so I say tax the CRAP out of it, tax the CRAP out of cigarettes and just about any other unhealthy option people want to pursue too. Its not fair for my health premiums and taxes to go up because someone wants a deeper darker complexion so I think it is my decision.


Be careful there hoss. Do you eat junk food? Sweets? Red meat? If you do, just wait. They'll be in YOUR pocket next because they deem those foods to be health hazards and they'll be taxing the CRAP outta you. Big Grin Don't just look at today without looking at what that may cause tomorrow.


Junk food should be taxed. Junk food is a luxury food that also happens to contribute to all of the wonderful health problems us overfed Americans are now accustomed to. If you want to feed your overweight kid a snickers bar that he in no way NEEDS, well then darn it, you should have to think twice about that decision in the form of a financial penalty.

People who fake tan, smoke, drink, don't excercise, and then stuff their face with high fructose corn syrup and processed foods are going to have more health problems then those of us who do not. Additionally, they are likely not going to be as productive of a citizen. These people end up mooching off society in the end, and they drive up the price of MY group insurance rates.
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Junk food should be taxed. Junk food is a luxury food that also happens to contribute to all of the wonderful health problems us overfed Americans are now accustomed to. If you want to feed your overweight kid a snickers bar that he in no way NEEDS, well then darn it, you should have to think twice about that decision in the form of a financial penalty.

People who fake tan, smoke, drink, don't excercise, and then stuff their face with high fructose corn syrup and processed foods are going to have more health problems then those of us who do not. Additionally, they are likely not going to be as productive of a citizen. These people end up mooching off society in the end, and they drive up the price of MY group insurance rates.


Let's just go ahead and tax being stupid. Let's force every American to take an intelligence test that is graded on a scale of 0-100. Your score is the percentage of your income you can keep. If you score a 20, you're obviously only smart enough to spend 20% of your money on your own, and smart politicians should spend the rest.
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Originally posted by dolemitejb:
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Junk food should be taxed. Junk food is a luxury food that also happens to contribute to all of the wonderful health problems us overfed Americans are now accustomed to. If you want to feed your overweight kid a snickers bar that he in no way NEEDS, well then darn it, you should have to think twice about that decision in the form of a financial penalty.

People who fake tan, smoke, drink, don't excercise, and then stuff their face with high fructose corn syrup and processed foods are going to have more health problems then those of us who do not. Additionally, they are likely not going to be as productive of a citizen. These people end up mooching off society in the end, and they drive up the price of MY group insurance rates.


Let's just go ahead and tax being stupid. Let's force every American to take an intelligence test that is graded on a scale of 0-100. Your score is the percentage of your income you can keep. If you score a 20, you're obviously only smart enough to spend 20% of your money on your own, and smart politicians should spend the rest.


I like your idea. Can we also make people take IQ tests before they reproduce?
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Originally posted by dolemitejb:

Let's just go ahead and tax being stupid. Let's force every American to take an intelligence test that is graded on a scale of 0-100. Your score is the percentage of your income you can keep. If you score a 20, you're obviously only smart enough to spend 20% of your money on your own, and smart politicians should spend the rest.


No but on a more serious note, I agree a tax is not ideal. Ideally, the government would stop subsidizing corn, which is what enables America to have so much cheap processed foods. This would essentially reduce the supply of sweeteners, which effectively raises the price of junk foods. Different from a tax, but the same end result.
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Originally posted by ArtVandelay:
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Originally posted by crash davis:
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Originally posted by PowerGen81:
I am a tax paying citizen and I don't want to be funding cancer treatments through medicare for people that like to lay in tanning beds when they know it causes cancer, so I say tax the CRAP out of it, tax the CRAP out of cigarettes and just about any other unhealthy option people want to pursue too. Its not fair for my health premiums and taxes to go up because someone wants a deeper darker complexion so I think it is my decision.


Be careful there hoss. Do you eat junk food? Sweets? Red meat? If you do, just wait. They'll be in YOUR pocket next because they deem those foods to be health hazards and they'll be taxing the CRAP outta you. Big Grin Don't just look at today without looking at what that may cause tomorrow.


Junk food should be taxed. Junk food is a luxury food that also happens to contribute to all of the wonderful health problems us overfed Americans are now accustomed to. If you want to feed your overweight kid a snickers bar that he in no way NEEDS, well then darn it, you should have to think twice about that decision in the form of a financial penalty.

People who fake tan, smoke, drink, don't excercise, and then stuff their face with high fructose corn syrup and processed foods are going to have more health problems then those of us who do not. Additionally, they are likely not going to be as productive of a citizen. These people end up mooching off society in the end, and they drive up the price of MY group insurance rates.


Ya Vul, Adolph! I mean Art...
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Originally posted by Renegade Nation:
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Originally posted by ArtVandelay:
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Originally posted by crash davis:
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Originally posted by PowerGen81:
I am a tax paying citizen and I don't want to be funding cancer treatments through medicare for people that like to lay in tanning beds when they know it causes cancer, so I say tax the CRAP out of it, tax the CRAP out of cigarettes and just about any other unhealthy option people want to pursue too. Its not fair for my health premiums and taxes to go up because someone wants a deeper darker complexion so I think it is my decision.


Be careful there hoss. Do you eat junk food? Sweets? Red meat? If you do, just wait. They'll be in YOUR pocket next because they deem those foods to be health hazards and they'll be taxing the CRAP outta you. Big Grin Don't just look at today without looking at what that may cause tomorrow.


Junk food should be taxed. Junk food is a luxury food that also happens to contribute to all of the wonderful health problems us overfed Americans are now accustomed to. If you want to feed your overweight kid a snickers bar that he in no way NEEDS, well then darn it, you should have to think twice about that decision in the form of a financial penalty.

People who fake tan, smoke, drink, don't excercise, and then stuff their face with high fructose corn syrup and processed foods are going to have more health problems then those of us who do not. Additionally, they are likely not going to be as productive of a citizen. These people end up mooching off society in the end, and they drive up the price of MY group insurance rates.


Ya Vul, Adolph! I mean Art...


Equating food tax to mass murder is ludicrous. Hitler comparisons are certain to lose you credibility.
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Originally posted by ArtVandelay:
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Originally posted by Renegade Nation:
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Originally posted by ArtVandelay:
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Originally posted by crash davis:
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Originally posted by PowerGen81:
I am a tax paying citizen and I don't want to be funding cancer treatments through medicare for people that like to lay in tanning beds when they know it causes cancer, so I say tax the CRAP out of it, tax the CRAP out of cigarettes and just about any other unhealthy option people want to pursue too. Its not fair for my health premiums and taxes to go up because someone wants a deeper darker complexion so I think it is my decision.


Be careful there hoss. Do you eat junk food? Sweets? Red meat? If you do, just wait. They'll be in YOUR pocket next because they deem those foods to be health hazards and they'll be taxing the CRAP outta you. Big Grin Don't just look at today without looking at what that may cause tomorrow.


Junk food should be taxed. Junk food is a luxury food that also happens to contribute to all of the wonderful health problems us overfed Americans are now accustomed to. If you want to feed your overweight kid a snickers bar that he in no way NEEDS, well then darn it, you should have to think twice about that decision in the form of a financial penalty.

People who fake tan, smoke, drink, don't excercise, and then stuff their face with high fructose corn syrup and processed foods are going to have more health problems then those of us who do not. Additionally, they are likely not going to be as productive of a citizen. These people end up mooching off society in the end, and they drive up the price of MY group insurance rates.


Ya Vul, Adolph! I mean Art...


Equating food tax to mass murder is ludicrous. Hitler comparisons are certain to lose you credibility.


And there was a lot more to fascism and nazism than mass murder...

Not understanding what you advocate is certain to lose your credibility.
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Originally posted by ArtVandelay:
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Originally posted by dolemitejb:
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Junk food should be taxed. Junk food is a luxury food that also happens to contribute to all of the wonderful health problems us overfed Americans are now accustomed to. If you want to feed your overweight kid a snickers bar that he in no way NEEDS, well then darn it, you should have to think twice about that decision in the form of a financial penalty.

People who fake tan, smoke, drink, don't excercise, and then stuff their face with high fructose corn syrup and processed foods are going to have more health problems then those of us who do not. Additionally, they are likely not going to be as productive of a citizen. These people end up mooching off society in the end, and they drive up the price of MY group insurance rates.


Let's just go ahead and tax being stupid. Let's force every American to take an intelligence test that is graded on a scale of 0-100. Your score is the percentage of your income you can keep. If you score a 20, you're obviously only smart enough to spend 20% of your money on your own, and smart politicians should spend the rest.


I like your idea. Can we also make people take IQ tests before they reproduce?


So, you would not allow Einstein's parents to reproduce? Seems the German racial laws of the 1930's had the same goal.
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Originally posted by ArtVandelay:

Junk food should be taxed. Junk food is a luxury food that also happens to contribute to all of the wonderful health problems us overfed Americans are now accustomed to. If you want to feed your overweight kid a snickers bar that he in no way NEEDS, well then darn it, you should have to think twice about that decision in the form of a financial penalty.

People who fake tan, smoke, drink, don't excercise, and then stuff their face with high fructose corn syrup and processed foods are going to have more health problems then those of us who do not. Additionally, they are likely not going to be as productive of a citizen. These people end up mooching off society in the end, and they drive up the price of MY group insurance rates.


Why don't you tell us your eating habits, hobbies, etc. I bet there are things you eat, drink or do that has a potential for harm that would cost us taxpayers money to care for you. Do not be lulled into a false sense of security that the government will crush everyone but you.
For the most part I eat and live a healthy lifestyle but if I am going live IRRESPONSIBLY and expose myself and use carcinogens/unsafe practices (e.g. tanning beds and cigarettes) then YES I should have to pay a tax on this stupidity. It shouldn't be looked at as a tax, it should be viewed as a penalty or a fine for being stupid and putting your safety at risk just like a seat belt fine.
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Originally posted by PowerGen81:
For the most part I eat and live a healthy lifestyle but if I am going live IRRESPONSIBLY and expose myself and use carcinogens/unsafe practices (e.g. tanning beds and cigarettes) then YES I should have to pay a tax on this stupidity. It shouldn't be looked at as a tax, it should be viewed as a penalty or a fine for being stupid and putting your safety at risk just like a seat belt fine.


Are you in favor of denying health care insurance to homosexual men ??? I'll bet you aren't, are you? THE most irresponsible and costly behavior on the face of the earth but you will refuse to punish them. Roll Eyes
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For the most part I eat and live a healthy lifestyle but if I am going live IRRESPONSIBLY and expose myself and use carcinogens/unsafe practices (e.g. tanning beds and cigarettes) then YES I should have to pay a tax on this stupidity. It shouldn't be looked at as a tax, it should be viewed as a penalty or a fine for being stupid and putting your safety at risk just like a seat belt fine.


What right do you have to steal from people because you don't approve of their behavior?
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Originally posted by dolemitejb:
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THE most irresponsible and costly behavior on the face of the earth but you will refuse to punish them.


Where do you come up with this stuff?


Probably from reading the sexually transmitted disease rate amongst them, to include mortality rates.
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Probably from reading the sexually transmitted disease rate amongst them, to include mortality rates.


Are you seriously claiming that being homosexual is "THE most irresponsible and costly behavior on the face of the earth?" Nothing tops it...nothing?
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Originally posted by crash davis:
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Originally posted by ArtVandelay:

Junk food should be taxed. Junk food is a luxury food that also happens to contribute to all of the wonderful health problems us overfed Americans are now accustomed to. If you want to feed your overweight kid a snickers bar that he in no way NEEDS, well then darn it, you should have to think twice about that decision in the form of a financial penalty.

People who fake tan, smoke, drink, don't excercise, and then stuff their face with high fructose corn syrup and processed foods are going to have more health problems then those of us who do not. Additionally, they are likely not going to be as productive of a citizen. These people end up mooching off society in the end, and they drive up the price of MY group insurance rates.


Why don't you tell us your eating habits, hobbies, etc. I bet there are things you eat, drink or do that has a potential for harm that would cost us taxpayers money to care for you. Do not be lulled into a false sense of security that the government will crush everyone but you.


I eat primarily whole foods (IE, not processed). I would say my diet comprises of mostly vegetables, fruits, and chicken from a responsible farmer. I do not purchase anything with high fructose corn syrup (that is much harder to do than it sounds), and I avoid bleached, processed flour whenever possible. On the rare occasion I decide to buy a bag of chips, I would not have a problem paying a tax for them. Same goes for the occasional glass of scotch that I enjoy. EDIT: To simplify, here is my general rule of thumb: I ususally don't buy it today, if I couldn't have bought it in 1950.

As for hobbies, I like to travel, play golf occasionally, basketball every Sunday, workout at 3 times a week. Catch the occasional flick.

This feels like a first date. I don't even know your first name, why don't you tell me a bit about yourself?
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Are you in favor of denying health care insurance to homosexual men ??? I'll bet you aren't, are you? THE most irresponsible and costly behavior on the face of the earth but you will refuse to punish them.


Wow crash davis! Saying that about homosexuals is a very uneducated and prejudice statement. I work for a company that extends benefits to homosexuals (and I am glad we do because they are productive members of society) and I have close family and friends that are homosexuals and they are perfectly healthy people who practice safe sex or are in a monogamous relationship with their partner, so I don't think and neither does the rest of the educated free world think that their behavior is irresponsible.

In my personal opinion you don't know a homosexual or nothing about them, instead you are deriving your information from sterotypes and probaby regurgitating the opionion of your uneducated pastor at your local church. None of your quote above is grounded in any legitimate facts, figures or research and you can scour the internet and you will not be able to support anything in that prejudice statement you just made.

Most homosexuals I know take pretty good care of themselves and live a much healthier lifestyle than most of these fat heterosexual redneck republican beached whales buying their beer, soda, doritos and honeybuns down at the Wal-Mart and then piling their extra large butts in their recliners day in and day out smoking their cigarettes. Its the IRRESPONSIBLE life style of people like i just described that cost health plans and medicare money when their fat obese rear ends and their fat related injuries start showing up at our emergency rooms and doctors complaining about pain in their back, trouble breathing from cigarettes and extremeties in pain due to diabetes, not the homosexuals.

So no, I disagree with your bigotted statement at every level, I have no problem with paying for homosexuals to have healthcare because that is not an irresponsible lifestyle to live in 2010. So I guess you are right, I don't have a problem with it.
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Originally posted by PowerGen81:
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Are you in favor of denying health care insurance to homosexual men ??? I'll bet you aren't, are you? THE most irresponsible and costly behavior on the face of the earth but you will refuse to punish them.


Wow crash davis! Saying that about homosexuals is a very uneducated and prejudice statement. I work for a company that extends benefits to homosexuals (and I am glad we do because they are productive members of society) and I have close family and friends that are homosexuals and they are perfectly healthy people who practice safe sex or are in a monogamous relationship with their partner, so I don't think and neither does the rest of the educated free world think that their behavior is irresponsible.

In my personal opinion you don't know a homosexual or nothing about them, instead you are deriving your information from sterotypes and probaby regurgitating the opionion of your uneducated pastor at your local church. None of your quote above is grounded in any legitimate facts, figures or research and you can scour the internet and you will not be able to support anything in that prejudice statement you just made.

Most homosexuals I know take pretty good care of themselves and live a much healthier lifestyle than most of these fat heterosexual redneck republican beached whales buying their beer, soda, doritos and honeybuns down at the Wal-Mart and then piling their extra large butts in their recliners day in and day out smoking their cigarettes. Its the IRRESPONSIBLE life style of people like i just described that cost health plans and medicare money when their fat obese rear ends and their fat related injuries start showing up at our emergency rooms and doctors complaining about pain in their back, trouble breathing from cigarettes and extremeties in pain due to diabetes, not the homosexuals.

So no, I disagree with your bigotted statement at every level, I have no problem with paying for homosexuals to have healthcare because that is not an irresponsible lifestyle to live in 2010. So I guess you are right, I don't have a problem with it.


You forgot about Mountain Dew. Rednecks LOVE Mountain Dew. The next ignorant redneck to respond to your post with more uneducated nonsense will do it while drinking Mountain Dew, and surfing Drudge. Dip might get involved, too.
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Originally posted by PowerGen81:
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Are you in favor of denying health care insurance to homosexual men ??? I'll bet you aren't, are you? THE most irresponsible and costly behavior on the face of the earth but you will refuse to punish them.


Wow crash davis! Saying that about homosexuals is a very uneducated and prejudice statement. I work for a company that extends benefits to homosexuals (and I am glad we do because they are productive members of society) and I have close family and friends that are homosexuals and they are perfectly healthy people who practice safe sex or are in a monogamous relationship with their partner, so I don't think and neither does the rest of the educated free world think that their behavior is irresponsible.

In my personal opinion you don't know a homosexual or nothing about them, instead you are deriving your information from sterotypes and probaby regurgitating the opionion of your uneducated pastor at your local church. None of your quote above is grounded in any legitimate facts, figures or research and you can scour the internet and you will not be able to support anything in that prejudice statement you just made.

Most homosexuals I know take pretty good care of themselves and live a much healthier lifestyle than most of these fat heterosexual redneck republican beached whales buying their beer, soda, doritos and honeybuns down at the Wal-Mart and then piling their extra large butts in their recliners day in and day out smoking their cigarettes. Its the IRRESPONSIBLE life style of people like i just described that cost health plans and medicare money when their fat obese rear ends and their fat related injuries start showing up at our emergency rooms and doctors complaining about pain in their back, trouble breathing from cigarettes and extremeties in pain due to diabetes, not the homosexuals.

So no, I disagree with your bigotted statement at every level, I have no problem with paying for homosexuals to have healthcare because that is not an irresponsible lifestyle to live in 2010. So I guess you are right, I don't have a problem with it.


You libs are for taxing the crap out of people who eat cheeseburgers because they will burden the healthcare system. It is not bigoted (moron) to point out that male homosexuality is by far the major propagator of AIDS which could bankrupt the healthcare system on it's own if their behavior isn't modified. If that means you have to keep your pants on a little more often, then do it! If it means taxing the crap out of you, then so be it! Ahhh, it's fun to threaten libs with "taxing the crap out of you."liberal homosexuals. Roll Eyes
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Originally posted by crash davis:
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Originally posted by PowerGen81:
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Are you in favor of denying health care insurance to homosexual men ??? I'll bet you aren't, are you? THE most irresponsible and costly behavior on the face of the earth but you will refuse to punish them.


Wow crash davis! Saying that about homosexuals is a very uneducated and prejudice statement. I work for a company that extends benefits to homosexuals (and I am glad we do because they are productive members of society) and I have close family and friends that are homosexuals and they are perfectly healthy people who practice safe sex or are in a monogamous relationship with their partner, so I don't think and neither does the rest of the educated free world think that their behavior is irresponsible.

In my personal opinion you don't know a homosexual or nothing about them, instead you are deriving your information from sterotypes and probaby regurgitating the opionion of your uneducated pastor at your local church. None of your quote above is grounded in any legitimate facts, figures or research and you can scour the internet and you will not be able to support anything in that prejudice statement you just made.

Most homosexuals I know take pretty good care of themselves and live a much healthier lifestyle than most of these fat heterosexual redneck republican beached whales buying their beer, soda, doritos and honeybuns down at the Wal-Mart and then piling their extra large butts in their recliners day in and day out smoking their cigarettes. Its the IRRESPONSIBLE life style of people like i just described that cost health plans and medicare money when their fat obese rear ends and their fat related injuries start showing up at our emergency rooms and doctors complaining about pain in their back, trouble breathing from cigarettes and extremeties in pain due to diabetes, not the homosexuals.

So no, I disagree with your bigotted statement at every level, I have no problem with paying for homosexuals to have healthcare because that is not an irresponsible lifestyle to live in 2010. So I guess you are right, I don't have a problem with it.



You libs are for taxing the crap out of people who eat cheeseburgers because they will burden the healthcare system. It is not bigoted (moron) to point out that male homosexuality is by far the major propagator of AIDS which could bankrupt the healthcare system on it's own if their behavior isn't modified. If that means you have to keep your pants on a little more often, then do it! If it means taxing the crap out of you, then so be it! Ahhh, it's fun to threaten libs with "taxing the crap out of you." liberal homosexuals. Roll Eyes
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Originally posted by dolemitejb:
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Probably from reading the sexually transmitted disease rate amongst them, to include mortality rates.


Are you seriously claiming that being homosexual is "THE most irresponsible and costly behavior on the face of the earth?" Nothing tops it...nothing?


If, one considers the risky life style of so many, obviously, yes! AIDS could have been easily contained, if not for it.
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Originally posted by PowerGen81:
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Are you in favor of denying health care insurance to homosexual men ??? I'll bet you aren't, are you? THE most irresponsible and costly behavior on the face of the earth but you will refuse to punish them.


Wow crash davis! Saying that about homosexuals is a very uneducated and prejudice statement. I work for a company that extends benefits to homosexuals (and I am glad we do because they are productive members of society) and I have close family and friends that are homosexuals and they are perfectly healthy people who practice safe sex or are in a monogamous relationship with their partner, so I don't think and neither does the rest of the educated free world think that their behavior is irresponsible.

In my personal opinion you don't know a homosexual or nothing about them, instead you are deriving your information from sterotypes and probaby regurgitating the opionion of your uneducated pastor at your local church. None of your quote above is grounded in any legitimate facts, figures or research and you can scour the internet and you will not be able to support anything in that prejudice statement you just made.

Most homosexuals I know take pretty good care of themselves and live a much healthier lifestyle than most of these fat heterosexual redneck republican beached whales buying their beer, soda, doritos and honeybuns down at the Wal-Mart and then piling their extra large butts in their recliners day in and day out smoking their cigarettes. Its the IRRESPONSIBLE life style of people like i just described that cost health plans and medicare money when their fat obese rear ends and their fat related injuries start showing up at our emergency rooms and doctors complaining about pain in their back, trouble breathing from cigarettes and extremeties in pain due to diabetes, not the homosexuals.

So no, I disagree with your bigotted statement at every level, I have no problem with paying for homosexuals to have healthcare because that is not an irresponsible lifestyle to live in 2010. So I guess you are right, I don't have a problem with it.


You really should research better"

"n the United States, HIV infection and AIDS have had a tremendous effect on men who have sex with men (MSM). MSM accounted for 71% of all HIV infections among male adults and adolescents in 2005 (based on data from 33 states with long-term, confidential name-based HIV reporting), even though only about 5% to 7% of male adults and adolescents in the United States identify themselves as MSM.1,2

The number of HIV diagnoses for MSM decreased during the 1980s and 1990s, but recent surveillance data show an increase in HIV diagnoses for this group.3,4 Additionally, racial disparities exist with regard to HIV diagnoses within the MSM population. A recent study, conducted in 5 large US cities, found that HIV prevalence among black MSM (46%) was more than twice that among white MSM (21%).5

The recent overall increase in HIV diagnoses for MSM, coupled with racial disparities, strongly points to a continued need for appropriate prevention and education services tailored for specific subgroups of MSM, especially those who are members of minority races/ethnicities."


http://www.thebody.com/content/whatis/art41063.html
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Originally posted by ArtVandelay:
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Originally posted by crash davis:
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Originally posted by ArtVandelay:

Junk food should be taxed. Junk food is a luxury food that also happens to contribute to all of the wonderful health problems us overfed Americans are now accustomed to. If you want to feed your overweight kid a snickers bar that he in no way NEEDS, well then darn it, you should have to think twice about that decision in the form of a financial penalty.

People who fake tan, smoke, drink, don't excercise, and then stuff their face with high fructose corn syrup and processed foods are going to have more health problems then those of us who do not. Additionally, they are likely not going to be as productive of a citizen. These people end up mooching off society in the end, and they drive up the price of MY group insurance rates.


Why don't you tell us your eating habits, hobbies, etc. I bet there are things you eat, drink or do that has a potential for harm that would cost us taxpayers money to care for you. Do not be lulled into a false sense of security that the government will crush everyone but you.


I eat primarily whole foods (IE, not processed). I would say my diet comprises of mostly vegetables, fruits, and chicken from a responsible farmer. I do not purchase anything with high fructose corn syrup (that is much harder to do than it sounds), and I avoid bleached, processed flour whenever possible. On the rare occasion I decide to buy a bag of chips, I would not have a problem paying a tax for them. Same goes for the occasional glass of scotch that I enjoy. EDIT: To simplify, here is my general rule of thumb: I ususally don't buy it today, if I couldn't have bought it in 1950.

As for hobbies, I like to travel, play golf occasionally, basketball every Sunday, workout at 3 times a week. Catch the occasional flick.

This feels like a first date. I don't even know your first name, why don't you tell me a bit about yourself?


Just reading through the threads and found this. Great posts, ArtVandelay. Unfortunately, the kind of common sense you posted doesn't play well 'round these parts.

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