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If you wanna see the source of "global warming", go and watch about five minutes of the hot air being laid out by the poilticians in this healthcare summitt. None of them I have heard thus far have a clue as to what healthcare needs or will fix the situation. It is all about what we can "give away" and have someone else pay for it.

Hillary in 2016?  Why not?  We've already had one "girly man" serving in office for the past 7 years, we might as well give her chance as well!

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It's all a dog and pony show. Obama wants to show the American people that the Republicans don't want this bill so he can force it on us later through reconciliation. The thing he doesn't understand is that we don't want the bill either. Nancy says we don't have time to start over. What does that mean? Of course we have time. They need to be having a summit on getting people back to work.
From the CNN website:

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At one point during the meeting at Blair House in Washington, McCain, R-Arizona, slammed special deals inserted in the Senate health care bill, saying those should be removed so the American people will know "that geography does not dictate what kind of health care they will receive."

Obama shot back, "Let me just make this point, John, because we're not campaigning anymore. The election is over." McCain responded: "I'm reminded of that every day."

How stupid is Obama's response? McCain (who I can tolerate, but that's about it) raised a very valid point. Obama just sounds clueless.
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Originally posted by Dr. Pepper:
This is a serious question.

If the government taxes the citizens to pay for everybodys healthcare and does away with insurance companies like Canada, how many jobs will be lost in the insurance community?


Who cares? It's a scam anyway.

That's like saying, if nobody pays the mafia, what will become of them? Wink
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Originally posted by JOY4567:
From the CNN website:

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At one point during the meeting at Blair House in Washington, McCain, R-Arizona, slammed special deals inserted in the Senate health care bill, saying those should be removed so the American people will know "that geography does not dictate what kind of health care they will receive."

Obama shot back, "Let me just make this point, John, because we're not campaigning anymore. The election is over." McCain responded: "I'm reminded of that every day."

How stupid is Obama's response? McCain (who I can tolerate, but that's about it) raised a very valid point. Obama just sounds clueless.
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I was watching the news when that went down. That was about as crude as could be. The "man" is in charge and he intends that no one is to dispute or show him up in any way. Just wait until everybody gets through with their taxes and rebates this year stemming from last year and you will see what the idiot did to us. I guess in the eyes of some we who disagree are racist, well believe what you will. The Man is not up to the Job at hand and yes I disagree with him and his little Caesars.
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This is a serious question.

If the government taxes the citizens to pay for everybodys healthcare and does away with insurance companies like Canada, how many jobs will be lost in the insurance community?

NO That is a stupid question: just like most of the responses to this Summitt. Where EXACTLY in the healthcare bill(as passed by the house and senate) is universal coverage? Now, there don't get me wrong, I think there whould be, BUT your statement shows how little and what propoganda you and others believe and haven't even bothered to READ the Bill. Go to whitehouse.gov, it was up, I am not providing a link, you wouldn't believe anything anyway if Billo the Clown or Fixed News didn't tell you to.
Neither of the bills provides anywhere near universal coverage. Universal coverage doesn't exist in any country. As many of you know, I lived in France for 15 months and wasn't covered under their system. I'll be getting a small tax rebate back from them because of that. In the UK, you would get coverage, but you really, really, wouldn't like it!
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Who cares? It's a scam anyway.


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Quick quiz: What do these enterprises have in common? Farm and construction machinery, Tupperware, the railroads, Hershey sweets, Yum food brands and Yahoo? Answer: They're all more profitable than the health insurance industry.

In the health care debate, Democrats and their allies have gone after insurance companies as rapacious profiteers making "immoral" and "obscene" returns while "the bodies pile up."

Ledgers tell a different reality. Health insurance profit margins typically run about 6 percent, give or take a point or two. That's anemic compared with other forms of insurance and a broad array of industries, even some beleaguered ones.

Profits barely exceeded 2 percent of revenues in the latest annual measure. This partly explains why the credit ratings of some of the largest insurers were downgraded to negative from stable heading into this year, as investors were warned of a stagnant if not shrinking market for private plans.

Insurers are an expedient target for leaders who want a government-run plan in the marketplace. Such a public option would force private insurers to trim profits and restrain premiums to compete, the argument goes. This would "keep insurance companies honest," says President Barack Obama.

.... Health insurers posted a 2.2 percent profit margin last year, placing them 35th on the Fortune 500 list of top industries. As is typical, other health sectors did much better - drugs and medical products and services were both in the top 10.

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/t...em-ane#ixzz0gbeqUqgH
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/t...ofits-finds-them-ane

I don't think a 2.2% profit qualifies as a "scam".
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Originally posted by Dr. Pepper:
diddle
Who cares? It's a scam anyway.

I imagine people that support their families by working for one of these companies. Just an intelligent guess to ridiculous answer.


Yeah well... I've known some people that sell drugs to support their families. Insurance across the board is a scam. There just simply is no such thing.
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Originally posted by Dr. Pepper:
This is a serious question.

If the government taxes the citizens to pay for everybodys healthcare and does away with insurance companies like Canada, how many jobs will be lost in the insurance community?


I figure it's at the very least a zero-sum game.

The government doesn't do anything more efficiently and with less employees than anyone else. Whatever type of bill is passed, rest assured, any resulting loss of employment by the insurance industry will be more than offset by administration of the plan. You know the SOP of governments is to hire twice as many people to do half as much. Wink
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Originally posted by SS97:
All of them. Life insurance is for the ones left not you. Cool

Now, as for the health care dog and pony show, Obama's halo did not glow, Harry Reid was an arrogant rear, nothing was compromised, and only 3 channels carried it.

Mission accomplished.


Nothing.


And of course that was exactly what was intended. Did you really expect some kind of breakthrough today? And what kind of world do we live in today when a man can't even afford to die?

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Oh, you can die for free.
Go to the ER.

Obama's examples of taking his kids to the ER did nothing to help the debate. He simply proved, insurance or not, you will get treated.

And he was wrong about federal employees, they get a choice of plans, its not one size fits all.

If what these fools are proposing is so great, make them take it.
Thatis one of the main things that puzzle me: do these people who are screaming so long and loud about healthcare reform really believe they are better off to keep the status quo and trust insurance companies? I suspect there are a lot of these posters on here who have Medicare coverage and the rest work at companies where they have been for years and have coverage through their employer and either haven't had a bad experience (YET) with being denied or don't pay any attention to their premiums.
I am 24. I work as a waiter at a restaurant that doesn't have insurance and I am a college student. I am too old to be on my folks coverage and I would like to be able to start a business when I graduate, and I am not alone.
It is surprising the difference in views that are expressed on this forum and the ones you hear in class or the student union at UNA.
I only hope SOMETHING can get done soon, but time usually takes care of itself.
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And he was wrong about federal employees, they get a choice of plans, its not one size fits all.

If what these fools are proposing is so great, make them take it.

Were you watching Fox NEWS? Where did you get this? He asked the senator who was a Republican doctor (and no I am not going to google his name) if he was so happy with Health Savings Accounts why not drop his fed coverage and start one! Obama said that all federal employees DO have a choice of plans, just like those in congress and THAT is what is proposed in the exchanges.
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One, you are not too old. The age limit was raised to 26.

Second, it was Tom Coburn.

Third, Obama did not say that

ONE: I am too old, it is 21 at my fathers employer.
TWO: It was NOT Coburn and **** I am going to have to google to fight your stupidity, moment please, John Barrasso of Wyoming and
THIRD: Did you watch it on C-Span 3 or on Fixxed News?
Not stupid at all, junior. If your father had BCBS you would be covered as long as you are in college or until 25 now. Nancy proposed the age limit of 26, so I jumped the gun a year.

Barring that, the individual Blue plan is $85 a month. Of course, since you obviously have a girlfriend and are a liberal, I would suggest the family plan.
Well you were wrong, of course you old farts (this junior and old fart thing is getting a little old and someone on here called me immature) off by a year as you said and without getting into too much info with you I am not eligible under my fathers plan and really don't want to look up BCBS but have in the past and the $85 monthly thing is catastrophic coverage. Guess you are one of the ones who TRUSTS insurance companies. Hope nothing bad ever happens to you. I am sincere with that. It is sad all the hate that is out there and it is ironic that on one side of this forum you have all these churchy people upset about pot, gambling and even "sex shops" but when it comes to the golden rule (and I am not religious) they seem to take the attitude: I got mine, too bad if you don't have yours.
In the spirit of President Obama and Rodney King: CAN'T WE ALL GET ALONG? Of course not, this is the buckle of the hypocritical bible belt. You are a *******. LOL
Well junior, you are not trying very hard 'to get along'. You get facts wrong, insult people you don't know, are jealous of what other people have and expect King Obama to fix every thing for you. It's not going to happen.
I have a CDHP with a very high deductible so don't come whining to me about how pitiful you are. Who's paying for college? Who bought your books? Working while going to school? Great, so did 90% of us.
Instead of whinning about how horrible everything is and blaming all the people you classify as neocons, why don't you look at facts, decide to do something better and get off you soap box of insults and quit wasting time here and do some research to help yourself?
If you don't trust any 'old farts', why do you trust all those morons in DC?
Just for informational purpose, in case anyone cares, a 25 year old can get an individual policy at BCBS with a $750 per year deductible for about $100 a month. That's $25 a week. That's about the same as an unlimited text and talk cellphone.

I suspect if someone is not willing to pay $100 a month for hospital coverage, they wouldn't pay $80, $60, or $50 either, they would only be happy if it was free.
Midnight,
That would require most of them to get a job and actually spend their money on something besides cigarettes and beer. If this guy plans on opening a business, my guess is it will go flat busted in a year, especially with his attitude. Hopefully though it will stay open long enough for him to experience the hassle and ignorant tax codes that small businessmen and women have to put up with to actually run a business.
Oh, I wish it was so easy as the college students who sit around the Union and pontificate. Who does Obama and his minions think with take care of these people who he suddenly gives insurance to, when they refuse to pay the doctors and hospitals for taking care of them? Because of decreased reimbursments most doctors are cutting back their hours now, so much so that in effect there is a shortage of over 40,000 primary care doctors at the moment.
BTW, BCBS DOES cover college students up to the age of 25, I know for a fact, since my son is in college and they continue to do so.
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Originally posted by midknightrider:
Just for informational purpose, in case anyone cares, a 25 year old can get an individual policy at BCBS with a $750 per year deductible for about $100 a month. That's $25 a week. That's about the same as an unlimited text and talk cellphone.

I suspect if someone is not willing to pay $100 a month for hospital coverage, they wouldn't pay $80, $60, or $50 either, they would only be happy if it was free.
Yea, I think my 24-year-old's (she graduated UNA last year) BCBS is about $90 a month. Very affordable.
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Originally posted by diddle:
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Originally posted by Dr. Pepper:
diddle
Who cares? It's a scam anyway.

I imagine people that support their families by working for one of these companies. Just an intelligent guess to ridiculous answer.


Yeah well... I've known some people that sell drugs to support their families. Insurance across the board is a scam. There just simply is no such thing.


Hey it beats work doesn't it?
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Originally posted by rocky:
Thatis one of the main things that puzzle me: do these people who are screaming so long and loud about healthcare reform really believe they are better off to keep the status quo and trust insurance companies? I suspect there are a lot of these posters on here who have Medicare coverage and the rest work at companies where they have been for years and have coverage through their employer and either haven't had a bad experience (YET) with being denied or don't pay any attention to their premiums.
I am 24. I work as a waiter at a restaurant that doesn't have insurance and I am a college student. I am too old to be on my folks coverage and I would like to be able to start a business when I graduate, and I am not alone.
It is surprising the difference in views that are expressed on this forum and the ones you hear in class or the student union at UNA.
I only hope SOMETHING can get done soon, but time usually takes care of itself.


Have you checked on an insurance plan? Private insurance for a 24 year old will not be that much. I do not trust the insurance companies. But I trust the goverment even less.
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Originally posted by rocky:
Well you were wrong, of course you old farts (this junior and old fart thing is getting a little old and someone on here called me immature) off by a year as you said and without getting into too much info with you I am not eligible under my fathers plan and really don't want to look up BCBS but have in the past and the $85 monthly thing is catastrophic coverage. Guess you are one of the ones who TRUSTS insurance companies. Hope nothing bad ever happens to you. I am sincere with that. It is sad all the hate that is out there and it is ironic that on one side of this forum you have all these churchy people upset about pot, gambling and even "sex shops" but when it comes to the golden rule (and I am not religious) they seem to take the attitude: I got mine, too bad if you don't have yours.
In the spirit of President Obama and Rodney King: CAN'T WE ALL GET ALONG? Of course not, this is the buckle of the hypocritical bible belt. You are a *******. LOL


What are they teaching you at school? Take the $85 coverage FOR catastrophic coverage, that's all a 24 year old should need. If you have a cold or need stictches pay out of pocket. That's a lot less than I'm paying for my coverage and I average going to the doctor once every 2 years.
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Originally posted by midknightrider:
Just for informational purpose, in case anyone cares, a 25 year old can get an individual policy at BCBS with a $750 per year deductible for about $100 a month. That's $25 a week. That's about the same as an unlimited text and talk cellphone.

I suspect if someone is not willing to pay $100 a month for hospital coverage, they wouldn't pay $80, $60, or $50 either, they would only be happy if it was free.


Ding, Ding, Ding Roll Eyes

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