Now IF Cam wins the thing how much will Auburn offer him to stay another year? MONEY TALKS YA KNOW. Has Cecil contacted Auburn yet? It could get VERY interesting!
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They couldn't afford him next year.
Mabey Alabama with their excellent and above reproach recruting record can afford him!
You have to hand it to the kid, he had a transcendent season that will be difficult to beat. His performance in the Iron Bowl alone would be sufficient cause to award him the Heisman.
Congrats, Cam!
nsns
Congrats, Cam!
nsns
quote:Originally posted by Not Shallow Not Slim:
You have to hand it to the kid, he had a transcendent season that will be difficult to beat. His performance in the Iron Bowl alone would be sufficient cause to award him the Heisman.
Congrats, Cam! nsns
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I wish you would be more insightful and explain just how Newtons performance in the Iron Bowl was Heisman worthy.
You do understand stand the'integrity clause' concerning the Heisman don't you? How do you get around that?
http://msn.foxsports.com/colle...ter-cheating-scandal
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.c...backup-qb-camer.html
I wish you would be more insightful and explain just how Newtons performance in the Iron Bowl was Heisman worthy.
You do understand stand the'integrity clause' concerning the Heisman don't you? How do you get around that?
http://msn.foxsports.com/colle...ter-cheating-scandal
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.c...backup-qb-camer.html
quote:from Tool: I wish you would be more insightful and explain just how Newtons performance in the Iron Bowl was Heisman worthy.
Since you love video, here is a good one that explains just how Newton's performance in the Iron Bowl was Heisman worthy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKHUla5YxuU
quote:Originally posted by tudor rose:quote:from Tool: I wish you would be more insightful and explain just how Newtons performance in the Iron Bowl was Heisman worthy.
Since you love video, here is a good one that explains just how Newton's performance in the Iron Bowl was Heisman worthy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKHUla5YxuU
Actually I watched the entire game. What I saw was Alabama simply gave a game away. A hail mary pass...is that what you refer to? Richardson dropping an easy pass? Ingram loosing the ball at the 10?
All these plays determined the outcome of that game. Which of them involved Newton?
quote:Originally posted by Tool:
Actually I watched the entire game. What I saw was Alabama simply gave a game away. A hail mary pass...is that what you refer to? Richardson dropping an easy pass? Ingram loosing the ball at the 10?
All these plays determined the outcome of that game. Which of them involved Newton?
Auburn came back after spotting Alabama 24 points. Led by Newton. The game is 60 minutes long. If a play happens in the first 10 seconds of a game, it counts. If a play happens in the last 10 seconds of the game, it counts. Ask Les Miles. You can argue what if's all day long. What if someone ran right instead of left. What if it's 4th and inches and a team didn't go for it. The game lasts for 60 minutes.
You are right, all plays do determine the outcome of the game. The outcome was that Auburn won.
Auburn won by one point...by your logic, since McKelroy had better stats that game...He should be Heisman worthy too.
Several of Auburns games this season were determined by the 'other teams mistakes', not by Auburns play.
Several of Auburns games this season were determined by the 'other teams mistakes', not by Auburns play.
Tool,
Any game can be looked as the other team making mistakes, that's part of the game, but a quarterback accounting for 4 touchdowns down by 24 is one of those Heisman-worthy moments. I know you believe Alabama has never lost a game, but have only beat themselves in their 100+ years of football. Also, as far as the integrity thing (funny you link to a situation that has never been proven and was disputed by Florida), one of the last two Heisman winners from the state of Alabama ACTUALLY took improper benefits, and it wasn't Cam Newton...
Any game can be looked as the other team making mistakes, that's part of the game, but a quarterback accounting for 4 touchdowns down by 24 is one of those Heisman-worthy moments. I know you believe Alabama has never lost a game, but have only beat themselves in their 100+ years of football. Also, as far as the integrity thing (funny you link to a situation that has never been proven and was disputed by Florida), one of the last two Heisman winners from the state of Alabama ACTUALLY took improper benefits, and it wasn't Cam Newton...
quote:Originally posted by Tool:
Several of Auburns games this season were determined by the 'other teams mistakes', not by Auburns play.
And what say you about Alabama's season last year? Where are you trying to go with this?
Also, I would like to know what "hail mary" pass you are talking about in the Iron Bowl? The Newton-Zachery TD pass early in the second half (believe that pass, not an actual hail mary, involved Newton)? If that's what you're talking about, it shows your actual football IQ, and explains a lot about your misunderstanding about the game of football.
quote:Originally posted by hayssco23:
Also, I would like to know what "hail mary" pass you are talking about in the Iron Bowl? The Newton-Zachery TD pass early in the second half (believe that pass, not an actual hail mary, involved Newton)? If that's what you're talking about, it shows your actual football IQ, and explains a lot about your misunderstanding about the game of football.
Football IQ? it seems you need to brush up on yours. Here let me help.
quote:Originally posted by tudor rose:quote:Originally posted by Tool:
Several of Auburns games this season were determined by the 'other teams mistakes', not by Auburns play.
And what say you about Alabama's season last year? Where are you trying to go with this?
I'm all open ...do you have any thing in particular?
quote:Originally posted by hayssco23:
Tool,
Any game can be looked as the other team making mistakes, that's part of the game, but a quarterback accounting for 4 touchdowns down by 24 is one of those Heisman-worthy moments. I know you believe Alabama has never lost a game, but have only beat themselves in their 100+ years of football. Also, as far as the integrity thing (funny you link to a situation that has never been proven and was disputed by Florida), one of the last two Heisman winners from the state of Alabama ACTUALLY took improper benefits, and it wasn't Cam Newton...
Newton is a thief...that has been PROVEN!
quote:Originally posted by Tool:quote:Originally posted by hayssco23:
Tool,
Any game can be looked as the other team making mistakes, that's part of the game, but a quarterback accounting for 4 touchdowns down by 24 is one of those Heisman-worthy moments. I know you believe Alabama has never lost a game, but have only beat themselves in their 100+ years of football. Also, as far as the integrity thing (funny you link to a situation that has never been proven and was disputed by Florida), one of the last two Heisman winners from the state of Alabama ACTUALLY took improper benefits, and it wasn't Cam Newton...
Newton is a thief...that has been PROVEN!
Yeah, screw this nation and the belief that people get second chances. He did what was asked of him as far as punishment goes, and is making the most of a second chance. Get over it, jealousy of a 21 year old and making a complete idiot of yourself is really, really pathetic.
quote:Originally posted by Tool:quote:Originally posted by hayssco23:
Also, I would like to know what "hail mary" pass you are talking about in the Iron Bowl? The Newton-Zachery TD pass early in the second half (believe that pass, not an actual hail mary, involved Newton)? If that's what you're talking about, it shows your actual football IQ, and explains a lot about your misunderstanding about the game of football.
Football IQ? it seems you need to brush up on yours. Here let me help.
Yep, it wasn't a hail mary pass, it was a called pass play with a standard rate of success that wasn't made in desperation, but made at a time where Auburn felt like they had a chance to come out and score early.
The play was at the end of the first half. It is clear you cant discuss without hurling insults...typical!
quote:Originally posted by hayssco23:quote:Originally posted by Tool:quote:Originally posted by hayssco23:
Tool,
Any game can be looked as the other team making mistakes, that's part of the game, but a quarterback accounting for 4 touchdowns down by 24 is one of those Heisman-worthy moments. I know you believe Alabama has never lost a game, but have only beat themselves in their 100+ years of football. Also, as far as the integrity thing (funny you link to a situation that has never been proven and was disputed by Florida), one of the last two Heisman winners from the state of Alabama ACTUALLY took improper benefits, and it wasn't Cam Newton...
Newton is a thief...that has been PROVEN!
Yeah, screw this nation and the belief that people get second chances. He did what was asked of him as far as punishment goes, and is making the most of a second chance. Get over it, jealousy of a 21 year old and making a complete idiot of yourself is really, really pathetic.
Go ahead and say it...the current Heisman trophy winner is a known thief,cheater and liar. Kinda takes from the legitimate winners doesn't it?
quote:Actually I watched the entire game. What I saw was Alabama simply gave a game away. A hail mary pass...is that what you refer to? Richardson dropping an easy pass? Ingram loosing the ball at the 10?
All these plays determined the outcome of that game. Which of them involved Newton?
quote:The play was at the end of the first half. It is clear you cant discuss without hurling insults...typical!
Are you talking about the hail mary in the SEC Championship? Then yes, it was a hail mary. But you were talking about plays in the Iron Bowl, and mentioned hail mary. There was no hail mary at the end of the first half of the Iron Bowl, which you implied was the game you were talking about.
quote:Originally posted by Tool:quote:Originally posted by hayssco23:quote:Originally posted by Tool:quote:Originally posted by hayssco23:
Tool,
Any game can be looked as the other team making mistakes, that's part of the game, but a quarterback accounting for 4 touchdowns down by 24 is one of those Heisman-worthy moments. I know you believe Alabama has never lost a game, but have only beat themselves in their 100+ years of football. Also, as far as the integrity thing (funny you link to a situation that has never been proven and was disputed by Florida), one of the last two Heisman winners from the state of Alabama ACTUALLY took improper benefits, and it wasn't Cam Newton...
Newton is a thief...that has been PROVEN!
Yeah, screw this nation and the belief that people get second chances. He did what was asked of him as far as punishment goes, and is making the most of a second chance. Get over it, jealousy of a 21 year old and making a complete idiot of yourself is really, really pathetic.
Go ahead and say it...the current Heisman trophy winner is a known thief,cheater and liar. Kinda takes from the legitimate winners doesn't it?
and yet he won with the 3rd highest % of all time. care to venture a guess at how many "legitimate winners" voted for him?
I don't even like the guy but he did win the vote and the man can play football.
quote:Originally posted by adamryan1121:quote:Originally posted by Tool:quote:Originally posted by hayssco23:quote:Originally posted by Tool:quote:Originally posted by hayssco23:
Tool,
Any game can be looked as the other team making mistakes, that's part of the game, but a quarterback accounting for 4 touchdowns down by 24 is one of those Heisman-worthy moments. I know you believe Alabama has never lost a game, but have only beat themselves in their 100+ years of football. Also, as far as the integrity thing (funny you link to a situation that has never been proven and was disputed by Florida), one of the last two Heisman winners from the state of Alabama ACTUALLY took improper benefits, and it wasn't Cam Newton...
Newton is a thief...that has been PROVEN!
Yeah, screw this nation and the belief that people get second chances. He did what was asked of him as far as punishment goes, and is making the most of a second chance. Get over it, jealousy of a 21 year old and making a complete idiot of yourself is really, really pathetic.
Go ahead and say it...the current Heisman trophy winner is a known thief,cheater and liar. Kinda takes from the legitimate winners doesn't it?
and yet he won with the 3rd highest % of all time. care to venture a guess at how many "legitimate winners" voted for him?
A lot of people voted for Obama too...guess what? They now wish he were gone.
quote:Originally posted by bluetick:
I don't even like the guy but he did win the vote and the man can play football.
On a serious note bluetick...do you think the Heisman is only about football?
quote:Originally posted by Tool:quote:Originally posted by adamryan1121:quote:Originally posted by Tool:quote:Originally posted by hayssco23:quote:Originally posted by Tool:quote:Originally posted by hayssco23:
Tool,
Any game can be looked as the other team making mistakes, that's part of the game, but a quarterback accounting for 4 touchdowns down by 24 is one of those Heisman-worthy moments. I know you believe Alabama has never lost a game, but have only beat themselves in their 100+ years of football. Also, as far as the integrity thing (funny you link to a situation that has never been proven and was disputed by Florida), one of the last two Heisman winners from the state of Alabama ACTUALLY took improper benefits, and it wasn't Cam Newton...
Newton is a thief...that has been PROVEN!
Yeah, screw this nation and the belief that people get second chances. He did what was asked of him as far as punishment goes, and is making the most of a second chance. Get over it, jealousy of a 21 year old and making a complete idiot of yourself is really, really pathetic.
Go ahead and say it...the current Heisman trophy winner is a known thief,cheater and liar. Kinda takes from the legitimate winners doesn't it?
and yet he won with the 3rd highest % of all time. care to venture a guess at how many "legitimate winners" voted for him?
A lot of people voted for Obama too...guess what? They now wish he were gone.
you may have a point, IF obama would have won in a landslide. and you might also have a point, IF the same wasn't true for just about every president lately. AND you might also have a point if all of the information on Cam/cecil came out AFTER he won the heisman.
as it stands...you don't have a point (like usual)
quote:Originally posted by Tool:quote:Originally posted by bluetick:
I don't even like the guy but he did win the vote and the man can play football.
On a serious note bluetick...do you think the Heisman is only about football?
"The Heisman Memorial Trophy annually recognizes the outstanding college football player whose performance best exhibits the pursuit of excellence with integrity. Winners epitomize great ability combined with diligence, perseverance, and hard work."
btw..
quote:Dan asked Ingram if he will use his Heisman vote on Auburn QB Cam Newton.
"If he's the best ... and he's been the best so far ... I won't have a problem," Ingram said. "I'm a real person. And he's been plying the best football so far. I can't hate on the man."Dan asked Ingram if he will use his Heisman vote on Auburn QB Cam Newton.
quote:"The Heisman Memorial Trophy annually recognizes the outstanding college football player whose performance best exhibits the pursuit of excellence with integrity. Winners epitomize great ability combined with diligence, perseverance, and hard work."
Now help me again Adam...tell me which word in the group doesn't belong...
thief, cheater, liar, integrity. Now tell me which best describes Cameron Newton.
quote:Originally posted by Tool:
...Now tell me which best describes Cameron Newton.
Heisman winner...by a landslide.
quote:Originally posted by Tool:
A lot of people voted for Obama too...guess what? They now wish he were gone.
Sure, but none of those people who voted for Obama were REAL winners!
Ask anyone who's been around the young man THIS SEASON and that person will tell you that Cam Newton IS a person of integrity and a great "kid" who is loved by his coaches, teammates, fellow students and Auburn fans.
Maybe if Alabama hadn't paid so much for their coach they could afford a great quarterback. There are many reasons why Gene Chizik is a better coach than Nick Saban. One is how he treats his players. If Saban had done me how he did McCarron, he'd have been picking himself up off the field. He's "an angry elf."
Maybe if Alabama hadn't paid so much for their coach they could afford a great quarterback. There are many reasons why Gene Chizik is a better coach than Nick Saban. One is how he treats his players. If Saban had done me how he did McCarron, he'd have been picking himself up off the field. He's "an angry elf."
Auburn Payed $1800 for the QB. How much was Kodi, Zeimba, and Ryan Pugh payed. For SOME reason te SMU story was aired AFTER the Heisman award. I guess ESPN knows something after all.quote:Originally posted by MountainMan:
Dude! ESPN's programming is set in advance and the SMU story was slotted BEFORE the Newton scandal broke. Keep reaching, fella!
quote:Originally posted by Tool:quote:Originally posted by tudor rose:quote:Originally posted by Tool:
Several of Auburns games this season were determined by the 'other teams mistakes', not by Auburns play.
And what say you about Alabama's season last year? Where are you trying to go with this?
I'm all open ...do you have any thing in particular?
And what about Bama's game against Tenn. last year, when the field goal kicker, to win the game kicked the ball directly into mount cody's chest, was that not determined by Tenn. kicker mistake, and would have knocked Bama out of a chance to play for the MNC if he had not made that mistake and kicked the ball low?
quote:Several of Auburns games this season were determined by the 'other teams mistakes', not by Auburns play.
A team can make all the mistakes in the world during a game, but the other team has to take advantage of those mistakes. A recovered fumble doesn't guarantee a touchdown. Auburn made mistakes in the season, too, but still didn't lose after being up by 24 in the first quarter.
Only one team in the SEC did that!
quote:Originally posted by Tomme73:
Only one team in the SEC did that!
Didn't arkansas have Tenn beat, then gave it back to them.
Tenn went on to win the national. Sometimes things are just
meant to be.
quote:Originally posted by Kraven:quote:Originally posted by Tomme73:
Only one team in the SEC did that!
Didn't arkansas have Tenn beat, then gave it back to them.
Tenn went on to win the national. Sometimes things are just
meant to be.
I was under the impression we were talking about this year, but I agree that sometimes things are just meant to be.