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True or False, the question is: there is no god and the bible is just a book of stories or there is a God and everything that’s written in the Bible is true which means also that there is a Heaven where the believers in Jesus Christ will spend eternity and it also means that there is a literal Hell where the unbelievers will spend eternity in what the Bible calls the Lake of Fire. Decide for your self, your eternity depends on it.

 

Christian believers accept what Jesus Christ did for them on the cross by becoming our sin bearer and our only way to God the father (no man comes to the Father except through me). Christians also believe that it is our duty and our responsibility to share our faith in Jesus Christ to try and bring unbelievers to a saving faith in Jesus Christ but ultimately that decision must be made by each individual.

 

Unbelievers reject the message of Jesus Christ as fiction and claim that God is a monster, a fairy in the sky, a mystical being, someone that doesn’t exist etc...... They claim that God is a bad person because of death in the Bible that was caused by God and that if God is such a loving God then why would he kill people or cause their deaths.

 

Here is the answer you’ve all been waiting for.

 

God don’t answer to us. God don’t care what you or I think about the way He runs His universe. God does things in His best interest not ours. Who are we to question anything that God does. There is no doubt that God knows exactly what He’s doing. Everything God has ever done, everything he is doing and everything He's going to do is in His perfect timing and His perfect will. You unbelievers that have posted lately all the bad things you think God has done need to understand that most of the deaths that occurred in the Bible were to people (unbelievers) who were persecuting His people (the believers). Sodom and Gomorrah, Lot and his family could not find even 10 just people in that whole city. They were living in unspeakable sin, Noah and his family were the only believers when God killed everyone in the flood and started over, Pharaoh’s army was killed chasing after Gods people and I could go on and on.

 

Ultimately, God don’t care what we think about what he’s doing. Each person someday will answer to God. We will ALL stand before Him and answer for our actions. All of your scoffing, blaspheming, calling my God names doesn’t change the fact that some day YOU will stand before Him and answer for EVERYTHING you’ve ever done, everything you’ve said, every bad word you’ve passed around on this forum blaspheming His name.

 

You have either chosen to accept his FREE gift of salvation or reject it. It’s your choice and it really doesn’t matter what you or I think about anything else.

 

If Heaven and Hell are real and I believe they are, then eternity is a long time to spend in either place. I believe I’ll accept what Jesus has done for me on the cross and I choose Heaven. I hope to see you there but if you choose to reject Him then I am so sorry for the pain and suffering you’ll have to endure for all eternity with Satan and his followers. If you’re reading this, there’s still time to accept what Jesus did for you on the cross. God wishes that no man should perish but that ALL should  come to repentence.

Life is so good!

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Originally Posted by I am the Fireman:

True or False, the question is: there is no god and the bible is just a book of stories or there is a God and everything that’s written in the Bible is true. Decide for your self

 

Here is the answer you’ve all been waiting for.

 God don’t care what you or I think about the way He runs His universe. God does things in His best interest not ours. Who are we to question anything that God does. There is no doubt that God knows exactly what He’s doing. 

Ultimately, God don’t care what we think about what he’s doing. Each person someday will answer to God. We will ALL stand before Him and answer for our actions. All of your scoffing, blaspheming, calling my God names doesn’t change the fact that some day YOU will stand before Him and answer for EVERYTHING you’ve ever done, everything you’ve said, every bad word you’ve passed around on this forum blaspheming His name. 

It’s your choice and it really doesn’t matter what you or I think about anything else.

 

If Heaven and Hell are real and I believe they are, then eternity is a long time to spend in either place. I believe I’ll accept what Jesus has done for me on the cross and I choose Heaven. I hope to see you there but if you choose to reject Him then I am so sorry for the pain and suffering you’ll have to endure for all eternity with Satan and his followers. If you’re reading this, there’s still time to accept what Jesus did for you on the cross. God wishes that no man should perish but that ALL should  come to repentence.

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As for as your question being True or False, that would depend on who you ask.

 

The Atheist, for example, have decided, but some of you on this forum think their stupid. They are as much entitled to their unbelief as you are for your belief.    

 

If God doesn’t care what anyone thinks about what he’s doing, then why should you care how people believe or don’t believe? Bill gets on here & preaches condemnation, telling us we’re all going to Hell.

 

We’re not children, we don’t need you or Bill telling us what we need to do/not do. Most everyone here knows what the Bible says, so if it’s our choice, why beat us over the head with it?

We all have our beliefs as to if Heaven/Hell is real or not, but some of you are constantly shoving it down peoples throats that both are real. It’s not so much what you say but how you say it that can cause a person to take what you say with a grain of salt.

 

I’m not going to degrade you for accepting what you believe Jesus has done for you but I would appreciate not being judged for having doubts.

 

If God doesn't care what we think about what he’s doing, then why should you care who or how many should perish?

Do you not realize that if Heaven/Hell exist, there will be just as many “Christians” (if not more) spending eternity with Satan & his followers, as non-believers?

 

 

 

 

 
Originally Posted by I am the Fireman:

True or False, the question is: there is no god and the bible is just a book of stories or there is a God and everything that’s written in the Bible is true. Decide for your self

Billie-jo,,,If there is no God, there never was a Bible to begin with anyway.
If there is a God, do you believe everything in the Bible, written by God?
Here is the answer you’ve all been waiting for.
Take it Billie....................

 

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Hi all,

 

Heaven AND Hell -- TRUE!!

 

But, the wonderful part of all this is that God gives YOU the right to choose WHICH you will inherit.  Isn't that wonderful?   That is like having Fort Knox opened to you -- and YOU have the choice whether to take all the gold or not.  Wow!

 

Yes, my Friends, Heaven AND Hell are TRUE.   And, eternity is one heck of a long time.  So, choose wisely, for once you leave this world -- there are NO second chances.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

here's what i absolutely love...how two people can be such horrible individuals, that they locked up their 6 year old child in a bathroom closest, wrapped him in barbed wire, urinated on him, smeared poo in his face, starved him nearly to death, and he never had a chance or a choice. and he was in there for days at a time, and this went on for months...but hey, all they have to do is accept Jesus as their saviour before they die and they get their mansion in the sky, no harm done for living such a horrible life, being such horrible people, nope, they get an eternity in heaven. now how can you tell me that's fair? and why you even think that makes sense? and fyi, this was a story i saw on Oprah.

Originally Posted by I am the Fireman:

My daddy don’t answer to us. My daddy don’t care what you or I think about the way He runs His house. My daddy does things in His best interest not ours. Who are we to question anything that my daddy does. There is no doubt that my daddy knows exactly what He’s doing. Everything my daddy has ever done, everything he is doing and everything He's going to do is in His perfect timing and His perfect will. 

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Fixed that for you.

Does it ever strike you that if you were born in anotyher country, your post would be about THEIR daddy instead of the sky daddy you speak of?

 

The question is, how do you know you are worshiping the right one?  If you are wrong, the ramifications are even worse than my fate.  

Originally Posted by Unobtanium:
Originally Posted by I am the Fireman:

My daddy don’t answer to us. My daddy don’t care what you or I think about the way He runs His house. My daddy does things in His best interest not ours. Who are we to question anything that my daddy does. There is no doubt that my daddy knows exactly what He’s doing. Everything my daddy has ever done, everything he is doing and everything He's going to do is in His perfect timing and His perfect will. 

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Fixed that for you.

Does it ever strike you that if you were born in anotyher country, your post would be about THEIR daddy instead of the sky daddy you speak of?

 

The question is, how do you know you are worshiping the right one?  If you are wrong, the ramifications are even worse than my fate.  

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How could you get the wrong one? And how could it be worse than your fate?

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Originally Posted by INVICTUS:
 

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How could you get the wrong one? And how could it be worse than your fate?

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There are more than 730 established Religions in the world which are broken out into more the 3200 different sects. Christianity, for example is but one of the major religions but has more than 200 sub sects, each with their own unique traditions and interpretations of the bible. For many, hell does not even exist.

If the "real" god is Allah instead of Yahweh, then here is what the Holy Quran says,


"Unbelievers are those that say: 'God is the Messiah, the son of Mary.' For the Messiah himself said: 'Children of Israel, serve God, my Lord and your Lord.' He that worships other deities besides God, God will deny him Paradise, and the Fire shall be his home. None shall help the evil-doers.


Unbelievers are those that say: 'God is one of three.' There is but one God. If they do not desist from so saying, those of them that disbelieve shall be sternly punished.”"

 

Mullimism is a much more popular religion that Xtianity so if I were a betting man (I'm not) then I wold put my bets on Islam.  

 

Whatever the case, the major monotheistic religions hold that idolatry is a serious sin so it is safer to accept no god rather than risk accepting the incorrect one. They also hold that having the correct beliefs is so important that having the wrong ones is normally punished with particular glee. So I think it is safer that you remain doubtful than to commit to the wrong set of beliefs. 

 

Cheers.

 

Originally Posted by Unobtanium:

The question is, how do you know you are worshiping the right one? 

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I would sort of like an answer to that one. The COC say no one will go to Heaven except them. There's one branch of Pentecostal's that say unless you're baptized in the holy spirit & speak in tongues, you can't go to Heaven. I could go on & on, but I'll stop with those two. 

If there are other gods, they didn't bother intervening in my life, speaking to me in any way, give a crap if I ran myself off a cliff or ran the race.  The reason I think I worship "the right one" is because he is the only one who showed up to help me.

 

It had nothing to do with the twisted version I got as a child/youth...busted out of that at 18.  At 43, I still am discovering false teaching.  A few days ago, I saw the word "deaconess" in a Christian book & thought the writer was adding to the Bible...nope!  I once again felt betrayed.  Those that taught me as a child/youth did not follow God; they followed a man-made denomination.  Y'all talk about the word 'rapture' not being in the Bible.  I've got a better one...denomination is not in the Bible and very few denominations operate their church like the original, described in detail in the NT.

 

Sorry, I got a little off track.

Originally Posted by _Joy_:

If there are other gods, they didn't bother intervening in my life, speaking to me in any way, give a crap if I ran myself off a cliff or ran the race.  The reason I think I worship "the right one" is because he is the only one who showed up to help me.

 

It had nothing to do with the twisted version I got as a child/youth...busted out of that at 18.  At 43, I still am discovering false teaching.  A few days ago, I saw the word "deaconess" in a Christian book & thought the writer was adding to the Bible...nope!  I once again felt betrayed.  Those that taught me as a child/youth did not follow God; they followed a man-made denomination.  Y'all talk about the word 'rapture' not being in the Bible.  I've got a better one...denomination is not in the Bible and very few denominations operate their church like the original, described in detail in the NT.

 

Sorry, I got a little off track.

Great witness there Joy.

You are correct “denomination ‘ is not a word used in the Bible.

The COC does not recognize itself as a ‘denomination’ because it strictly adheres to the written word.

That is the reason they don’t have a band of instruments in a worship service.

In your opinion is it wrong to disallow musical instruments?

Should the COC strictly adhere to what’s written or do they need to be less conservative in following details; you know don’t sweat the small stuff?

Given most worship services are held inside buildings expressly constructed for that use is the COC compromising the examples in the Bible?

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by Unobtanium:

The question is, how do you know you are worshiping the right one? 

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I would sort of like an answer to that one. The COC say no one will go to Heaven except them. There's one branch of Pentecostal's that say unless you're baptized in the holy spirit & speak in tongues, you can't go to Heaven. I could go on & on, but I'll stop with those two. 

 

I'm pretty much an old infidel, but I've never heard anyone say that in the Church of Christ. I'd be interested in where you heard it. I mean at a worship service or several services or from your neighbor or just where since you didn't quote where you got it. And is there something funny about it? Or maybe it's speaking in tongues that's funny. I've got a cousin that says she does but I wouldn't laugh at her.

If you have relatives in the coc you should have heard it a hundred times. Ever heard the joke about the man that died and went to heaven, and as he's looking around he sees a group of people off by theirself in a corner of heaven. He asks an angel who they are and the angel goes 'shhhhh, that's the coc and they think they're alone up here'?

Originally Posted by Infomercial:
I'm pretty much an old infidel, but I've never heard anyone say that in the Church of Christ. I'd be interested in where you heard it.

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Yup, I've heard of from one CoC member at a funeral for a non-CoC person. They claimed sadness that the dead person would not be joining them in heaven.  This was when I was still a believer and it sickened me then and does now.  

Don't know if that is actually official "church doctrine" but the general attitude is certainly there.  

Originally Posted by FirenzeVeritas:

I've said this before, but FWIW, there are two kinds of Churches of Christ: Institutional and Non-Institutional. Non-Institutional are pretty much, forgive the comparison, the Westboro Baptists of that belief. I have heard only one person in my life spew such hate for others and he was indeed Non-Institutional.

fire, i've never heard of a non-institutional COC. What is it?

Magpie, one never knows if you are truly interested in an issue or not. This topic has been discussed before and some congregations listed by name. I believe Nash stated that he attended one.

 

Do not misunderstand me. I have no desire to tell anyone they can't belong to this type of church. I simply do not wish people to judge the Church of Christ by what this "sub-sect" teaches.

 

Many of these congregations are in Athens, and a cousin of mine is mainly responsible for them. Now his son has a "new" hermeaneutic in which he ameliorates the effects and lifespan of hell. Pendulum effect?

Originally Posted by FirenzeVeritas:

Magpie, one never knows if you are truly interested in an issue or not. This topic has been discussed before and some congregations listed by name. I believe Nash stated that he attended one.

 

Do not misunderstand me. I have no desire to tell anyone they can't belong to this type of church. I simply do not wish people to judge the Church of Christ by what this "sub-sect" teaches.

 

Many of these congregations are in Athens, and a cousin of mine is mainly responsible for them. Now his son has a "new" hermeaneutic in which he ameliorates the effects and lifespan of hell. Pendulum effect?

do you know of any of these in the Shoals?

 
Originally Posted by Unobtanium:

The question is, how do you know you are worshiping the right one? 

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Originally Posted by semiannualchick:

I would sort of like an answer to that one. The COC say no one will go to Heaven except them. There's one branch of Pentecostal's that say unless you're baptized in the holy spirit & speak in tongues, you can't go to Heaven. I could go on & on, but I'll stop with those two. 

 

Originally Posted by Infomercial:

I'm pretty much an old infidel, but I've never heard anyone say that in the Church of Christ. I'd be interested in where you heard it. I mean at a worship service or several services or from your neighbor or just where since you didn't quote where you got it. And is there something funny about it? Or maybe it's speaking in tongues that's funny. I've got a cousin that says she does but I wouldn't laugh at her.

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There's a branch of my family that's COC. I grew up hearing that if we didn't get out of the Baptist church & into the COC, we were all going to Hell. I have friends that were raised in the COC & still believe today they are the only ones going to Heaven. I've been in COC services that preached it from the pulpit, & heard it at funeral's of the COC. 

 

I've never made fun of those that speak in tongues, & never would. One of my dearest friends speaks in tongues, & I believe she's a Christian. She talks the talk as well as walks the walk.

 

I've never liked being told I was going to hell because I was in a Baptist church, or because I don't speak in tongues. It's not up to man to judge me, though they do it all the time. I'm all for learning & discussing the Bible, but I don't appreciate being treated like I'm stupid for the way I believe or don't believe.

 

I don't think it's funny at all, & don't know why you would think I found it funny.

 

Semi, I am unable to believe that.

I can't even say that those who have decided on their own that they are saved no matter what, as in Joy, will be saved. I don't think anyone who is mean like her and lmm or fire for that matter is a shoo-in. Semi, I'm not the bad person they make me out to be. I just hate for people to try and look down their nose at others and you will find me on the side of the underdog. Joy reports every post I make like she is judge for God the Almighty. Joy is just a li'l-ole 43 year old girl good lord what will she be like when she's lmm and fires age? You should see how her and her perverts cuss me on her christchun forum. She's right in there with them. I'm going to start pasting what they say to my forum. lmm is a member of my forum and she and her cat come right over there and show her tail. Disgusting. You're OK Semi.

Originally Posted by Magpie:

Semi, I am unable to believe that.

I can't even say that those who have decided on their own that they are saved no matter what, as in Joy, will be saved. I don't think anyone who is mean like her and lmm or fire for that matter is a shoo-in. Semi, I'm not the bad person they make me out to be. I just hate for people to try and look down their nose at others and you will find me on the side of the underdog. Joy reports every post I make like she is judge for God the Almighty. Joy is just a li'l-ole 43 year old girl good lord what will she be like when she's lmm and fires age? You should see how her and her perverts cuss me on her christchun forum. She's right in there with them. I'm going to start pasting what they say to my forum. lmm is a member of my forum and she and her cat come right over there and show her tail. Disgusting. You're OK Semi.

 

 

Cursing on The Alabamian? I've never seen any, but I have not read every post.

 

Joy a mean 43 year-old? lmm a mean 54 year-old? Me a mean 55 year-old? What do you call mean? Have a problem with articulate, educated women, do we? Just because one is a Christian, one does not have to be anyone's doormat.

 

Am I mean because I won't agree that it's right to kill a cat who scratches your boat?

Am I mean because I don't support Sweetwater Mansion, owned by a woman with a criminal past and run by those of dubious intent? Any thing restored/renovated out there yet besides a porch?

Am I mean because I chastised you for repeating an obvious untruth about a 17 year-old girl?

 

As for who will be saved, I believe what the Bible says. Children who haven't reached the age of accountability are safe and will go to Heaven. Anyone who follows God's plan of salvation and remains faithful to the the end of their life will go to Heaven. That doesn't make any of us perfect. Calling a spade a spade isn't lying, Magpie. On the day of judgment I fully intend to be able to say I used my God-given talent as a verbalist to call attention to the evil in this world--not try to cover it up.

Originally Posted by FirenzeVeritas:
 Am I mean because I don't support Sweetwater Mansion, owned by a woman with a criminal past and run by those of dubious intent? Any thing restored/renovated out there yet besides a porch?

 

As for who will be saved, I believe what the Bible says.  Anyone who follows God's plan of salvation and remains faithful to the the end of their life will go to Heaven. Calling a spade a spade isn't lying, Magpie. On the day of judgment I fully intend to be able to say I used my God-given talent as a verbalist to call attention to the evil in this world--not try to cover it up.

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If you don’t support Sweetwater Mansion, why do you care? How is it hurting you in any way what anyone does there? What is this owner, a woman “with a criminal past & those of dubious intent” doing to harm you?

 

 I’ve never been there but I would love to go see it. There was a time no one was allowed in. I don’t understand what you or anyone else has to gain by running it down the way you do. I suppose you think that’s your thing to do as a “Christian” & a “verbalist” to show the world the “evil” of Sweetwater?

I guess I'm kinda calling a spade a spade.

Eleanor Roosevelt once said “Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people”.

 

Do you really think God is going give a rat’s behind that you consider yourself a verbalist? I don’t think he will care if you’re skilled in verbal expression or that you place more importance on words than the facts or ideas you convey. I’ve noticed before that you tend to brag on yourself & my bet is that God won’t care for that too much either.

 

You intend to stand before Him on the day of judgment & say you used the talent he supposedly gave you as a verbalist to call attention to the evil in this world? Are you for real?? You think He’s not going to know about the evil in this world? I’ll ask you the same question I have Bill. If Jesus did not come to judge, who are you to do so?

You'll be answering to Him for the things you did/didn't do, not for the "evil" of others.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Last edited by semiannualchick
Originally Posted by Magpie:

Semi, I am unable to believe that.

I can't even say that those who have decided on their own that they are saved no matter what

 

Semi, I'm not the bad person they make me out to be. I just hate for people to try and look down their nose at others and you will find me on the side of the underdog.  You're OK Semi.

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Thank you for your honesty, I'm unable to believe it too.

I'm not going to get in on what's going on with you, Joy, & the others. I know we're not to judge but with people like Bill Gray, it's not hard to see the rotten fruit that's right in front of us all.

 

I don't like/dislike someone because of what others make them out to be. I've been lied about on this forum & off by a certain someone whom I won't name & if that's how she gets her jollies, she can have at it. You're blunt & have no problem stating your opinion, & I find nothing wrong with that, as long as it doesn't hurt someone.

 

Semi:

 

1. Stating a fact isn't bragging. I use my talent to be a Christian apologist among other things. I also use it in one of my real jobs--you know, it's called work, something some people do to make money. Magpie works, NSNS works, Uno works, Joy works, etc.

 

2. Sweetwater? You didn't want to get into it but you mentioned it? I was being nice by not mentioning all their problems in my post but here goes. Do you support people who lie and cheat? Who lie that a 17 year-old girl exposes herself? Who lie that people with more talent in their little finger than their entire group has vandalized SW, among other things? If I say nothing, don't you think God just might ask me why I didn't stand up for at least the girl who apparently never wanted to do anything but help. My interest in Sweetwater is to see that it is saved. It's not being saved now. Anyone who doesn't try to bring attention to this should not cry and moan when it's torn down. If you don't take a stand you have no right to criticize what happens to the old home.

 

3. Yes, you laugh at others. Oh, where you say? Most of your posts run something like this: He's not responsible because of his mental condition.    Just what do you think the smiling/laughing/razzing/whatever emoticon implies?

 

Originally Posted by Magpie:

Semi, I am unable to believe that.

I can't even say that those who have decided on their own that they are saved no matter what, as in Joy, will be saved. I don't think anyone who is mean like her and lmm or fire for that matter is a shoo-in. Semi, I'm not the bad person they make me out to be. I just hate for people to try and look down their nose at others and you will find me on the side of the underdog. Joy reports every post I make like she is judge for God the Almighty. Joy is just a li'l-ole 43 year old girl good lord what will she be like when she's lmm and fires age? You should see how her and her perverts cuss me on her christchun forum. She's right in there with them. I'm going to start pasting what they say to my forum. lmm is a member of my forum and she and her cat come right over there and show her tail. Disgusting. You're OK Semi.

 

You post anything you want to and so will I from your forum. I never said I WAS a Christian, did I? In fact, I have repeatedly said I AM NOT A CHRISTIAN. Cuss you out?  No, it's more of commenting on the fact that you are a low life lying perverted scumbag who can't get anybody to take him seriously or play on his forum. The last time I checked, it was you and Monet saying HI!

You have made  remarks about me, Joy, FV, Blue, Gus, Ubu, etc. involving perverted sex acts, condemning our character and falsely accusing us of harassing YOU. Who brings up Joy's forum in his every post? Who tries to get into said forum repeatably? Who constantly lies and then when caught, says"It's all in fun".

 

Post anything you want to. What I have said about you is no secret. You are NUTS.

Fire dear, your list of complaints are evidence that you have an underlying problem,

for instance, what criminal activity on part of the owner are you referring?

…………if you are referring to the jewelry caper: what about it? There was no conviction: just a misunderstanding I think.

…………but a busybody like you who doesn’t know a thing about it makes an issue that really makes you look ridiculous.

I’m gonna bet you have no interest in Sweetwater, I had never really met one but I did at Sweetwater. A woman like yourself ran around all day long tattling on someone else and pointing out that some visitor ‘went in here’ or ‘said this’ God it was awful and you fit that same profile. Why don’t you shut up about Sweetwater? You are not anyone I have heard about that is a player in historic preservation and believe me dear I know them all.

Also who are you calling liars and cheaters? You need to keep your ass over on that ridiculous blog that you claim half ownership of. THE CONNECTION.

……………..and lay off Semi. She’s not one of you religious nuts.

The other thing I should not have mentioned about the girl. I apologize.

Joy’s envoy b50m sure knows how to hurt a guy:

Quote by THE CAT LMM/LBB/B50M

No, it's more of commenting on the fact that you are a low life lying perverted scumbag who can't get anybody to take him seriously or play on his forum. The last time I checked, it was you and Monet saying HI!”

I can’t believe you would say that about me kitty.

You’re cute when you are mad.

Originally Posted by _Joy_:

If there are other gods, they didn't bother intervening in my life, speaking to me in any way, give a crap if I ran myself off a cliff or ran the race.  The reason I think I worship "the right one" is because he is the only one who showed up to help me.

 

It had nothing to do with the twisted version I got as a child/youth...busted out of that at 18.  At 43, I still am discovering false teaching.  A few days ago, I saw the word "deaconess" in a Christian book & thought the writer was adding to the Bible...nope!  I once again felt betrayed.  Those that taught me as a child/youth did not follow God; they followed a man-made denomination.  Y'all talk about the word 'rapture' not being in the Bible.  I've got a better one...denomination is not in the Bible and very few denominations operate their church like the original, described in detail in the NT.

 

Sorry, I got a little off track.

The church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter Day Saints does!

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