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Mary, the mother of God,had only one child.

We can use ‘heos hou' of Genesis 26:13 (LXX) where he "grew until he became
very wealthy" which does not have to mean that he ceased to have his wealth increase
after he had become wealthy?

It does not demand that he DID continue to grow in wealth, but it seems
reasonable to argue that the usage here was definitely NOT intending or enforcing
the notion that his wealth ceased to further grow after he became wealthy.

You can use that as a good example. Let me add some information to the ongoing
‘heos hou' debate: ‘Heos' is a relative adverb. ‘Hou' is a relative pronoun.

When used together,‘heos' changes to a preposition which governs the relative pronoun.
Essentially, this means that hou really has no effect on the meaning of the couplet,
the operative word in the couplet being ‘heos'.

Whether the word "firstborn" suggests that Mary had other children besides Jesus
cannot be proven. "Firstborn" translates the Greek word prototokos.
Although it refers primarily to a child not preceded by another child in birth
(LXX: cf., Gn 25:25; 48:18); it is also applied to a child of honor, a child who is
not the first born into the family (cf., 1 Ch 26:10; Gn 41:52/Jr 31:9 (LXX 38:9).

1Sm 16:11/Ps 89:20, 27-28 (LXX 88:20, 27-28)). Prototokos appears nine times in the
New Testament (Mt 1:25; Lk 2:7; Rm 8:29; Cl 1:15, 18; Hb 1:6; 11:28; 12:23; Rv 1:5).
Of these, seven refer to Christ. The remaining two are Hb 11:28, which refers to the
firstborn killed in Egypt; and Hb 12:23, containing the plural noun protokon,
which refers to the saints in heaven.

None of the NT references to "firstborn" use it in association with or in opposition
to blood-siblings. In each case regarding Jesus, the NT uses "firstborn" to indicate
a preeminent status, not to the first child born from Mary.

Regarding an only child, according to the Encyclopedia Judaica (v. 6, cl. 1309),
The word "firstborn" referred to the first male child irrespective of subsequent siblings.
"Firstborn" was a Mosaic legal term which determined the son's specific duties and
privileges within the family and the community. The ceremony which so situated the
firstborn was to take place on the 31st day after his birth.

He was at that point legally and ritually the "firstborn," even if he turned out to be
the only child. Among non-Catholic scholars, Michaelis and Herrick indicate that
"firstborn" does not occur before the Septuagint (circa 3rd century B.C.).

But in the instances where it does occur after this time, the idea of birth or origin
is less prominent, such that privilege, rather than birthright, is the intended meaning.
(Wilhelm Michaelis, TDNT, s.v. prototokos", 6: 871).

The reference to Israel as God's "firstborn" does not refer to being born first (Ex 4:22-23).
It refers, rather, to the special relationship between God and his chosen people.
This unique filial relationship is also mentioned in the Old Testament Pseudepigrapha works
(cf. Jubilees 2:20; 18:2; 19:28) as well as in rabbinic Judaism (Ex 4:22, Rabba).

This is just some of what is written about Mary and her ONLY born.


Kvn.
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Originally posted by House of David:
Kraven, Good post. I see, on this 1st Sunday of advent, we both feel the need to defend our Blessed Mother.

Hi David,

But, as usual -- Kraven cannot do that, or anything else, in her own voice. She can ONLY copy/paste what the Vatican has written in their desperate attempt to prove what is not true.

You ladies can have your "blessed mother" -- I will stay with God the Father and His Son, Jesus Christ.

Have either of you noticed that we celebrate CHRISTmas -- not MARYmas? Just curious.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by House of David:
Kraven,

Good post. I see, on this 1st Sunday of advent, we both feel the need to defend our Blessed Mother.

HOD,,,,,Did you ever notice the truth hurts billie-jo more at Christmas time. Kvn.

WELL, PRAISE GOD! - KRAVEN FINALLY WROTE FROM HER OWN THOUGHTS AND NOT THE VATICAN'S - CHILDISH, BUT, STILL KRAVEN! - I KNEW SHE COULD PUT TOGETHER A FEW WORDS OF HER OWN!

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Rev 12: 1-5: A great and wondrous sign appeared in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. Then another sign appeared in heaven; an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on his heads. His tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth so that he might devour her child the moment it was born. She gave birth to a son, a male child, who will rule all the nations with an iron scepter. And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne.
DOES THE BIBLE ENDORSE THE CONCEPT OF A HEAVENLY CROWN?

2 Tim 4:8 - Now there is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, will award to me that day.....

James 1:12 - Blessed is the man who perseveres under trial, because when he has stood the test he will receive the crown of life.

1 Peter 5:4 - And when the Chief Shepherd appears, you will receive the crown of glory that will never fade away.

Rev. 2:10 ."..Be faithful even unto death and I will give you the crown of life."

A CROWN YES. BUT WHERE DOES MARY'S QUEENSHIP COME FROM?

As we have seen, a crown indicates kingship. Jesus promises crowns of Glory, Life and Righteousness to all who persevere and endure with him to the end. This is certainly the case with Mary. And looking to Timothy, we read:

2 Timothy 2:12 - If we endure, we will also reign with Him...

This is a promise made to all who endure to the end with Christ, as Mary did. They will have a share in Jesus' Kingship.

And Mary's Queenship has still more bases in Scripture. She was the "God-bearer", and as such has a unique relationship with God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. As the first to say "Yes" to God's plan, she is also the First Christian. She is also Mother of the Church. for as Brethren of Jesus, Christians are Children of Mary.
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
quote:
Originally posted by House of David:
Kraven, Good post. I see, on this 1st Sunday of advent, we both feel the need to defend our Blessed Mother.

Hi David,


You ladies can have your "blessed mother" -- I will stay with God the Father and His Son, Jesus Christ.


That doesn't surprise me. You have a deep seeded hatred for women. You will say otherwise, but your post speak for themselves. Now on the other hand we all know how you feel about the guys. Eeker

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Have either of you noticed that we celebrate CHRISTmas -- not MARYmas? Just curious.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill


So are you saying that you celebrate christmas as the day jesus was born? Can you show me where you find that in the bible? Or is that just a tradition...uh oh....Bill...I thought in your world religious tradition was a big no no. I guess like so many other things this is just another example of you being contentious.
Mark Twain said it very well, over 100 years ago: "If Jesus came back today, the one thing he would not be is a Christian."

Woody Allen also told the truth, when one of his movie characters said, "If Jesus came back today and saw what was being done in his name, he would never stop throwing up."

Most Christians who are outspoken today, aren't very Christ-like in their behavior. Some of them make you wonder if they really know anything about him or what he said. He was against accumulating wealth. He was for showing compassion toward your fellow man. He was so anti-homosexual that he never once mentioned it in any of his teachings. Most Christians today are an embarrassment to HIM and all that He stood for, especially the politicians who claim to follow Him. Any knowledge of our last President demonstrates this without any doubt.
Some of you bible-thumpers need to read what He really said and stood for. You seem to be clueless in that regard.

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