Herbstreit picks auburn SEC West Champ

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Posted 23 August 2010 05:25 PM
Kirk Herbstreit picked auburn as SEC West Champ this year. All I can say to that is HA-HA-HA HA-HA-HA HA

All I can say, is better than Auburn than UTHUG.

I don't care who he picks as long as I get to look at him!

Wow So_what... What a masterfully informative post from someone with a logo of a team that will be lucky to win 6 games this year... Oh, ya'll have to forgive him, he's just bitter about that BEAT DOWN the Tigers game the Vols on ol Rocky Top last year... remember when All-Everything Eric Berry thought he was gonna lay Ben Tate out, but he ended up getting lifted up, and then flying about 6 yards down the field and layin on his back??? LMAO!!

And Herbstreit has probably done a little more research on Auburn than anyone posting here, besides me, and see's a ton of returning talent on what was a pretty daggone solid team last year. He has mentioned watching a lot of film on Cam Newton, and he thinks he will be All-SEC this year, and possible Heisman Trophy canidate next year. But he's the expert... just so happens to have the same opinion as me. ;-)

WAR EAGLE!!

Lets see last year AU lost to Arkansas, Kentucky, LSU, Georgia, and Alabama (they didn't play Florida). So it only stands to reason they will win the National Championship this year.

I believe that last year Kirk said that Alabama would not win the National Championship, I may be mistaken. Oh Kirk there says alot of things through the course of the football season. One moment he liked Bama then the next he didn't etc, back and forth. So I feel that if last year he said that Bama would not win the NC and they did; it may be safe to say that with him liking Auburn for dvision champs, well they may certainly not win it. I have been wrong before, it is seldom though. However, I will say good luck to all teams in the SEC.

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Originally posted by Ronnie P.:
Lets see last year AU lost to Arkansas, Kentucky, LSU, Georgia, and Alabama (they didn't play Florida). So it only stands to reason they will win the National Championship this year.

And just as easily I couldve rattled off the list of 6(one of which was Lousiana Monroe) that Bama lost to in '07 and then they went 12-2 the following season. In '08 they lost to Florida, yet beat them in '09.... now... what EXACT point were you tryin to make???? LMAO

And the cold hard W's and L's don't tell Auburn's story from last year. in 3 of those losses, Auburn dominated early and build a 14 point lead that their injury plagued defense gave up late in those games. The other 2 were penalty and turnover plagued road games. Auburn is not nearly as far from being and SEC contender as ya'll hope they are.

WAR EAGLE!!

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Originally posted by BAD KARMA:
I believe that last year Kirk said that Alabama would not win the National Championship, I may be mistaken. Oh Kirk there says alot of things through the course of the football season. One moment he liked Bama then the next he didn't etc, back and forth. So I feel that if last year he said that Bama would not win the NC and they did; it may be safe to say that with him liking Auburn for dvision champs, well they may certainly not win it. I have been wrong before, it is seldom though. However, I will say good luck to all teams in the SEC.

You are correct... He knows Auburn will win the west as well as anyone who knows they won't at this point... it's all a guessing game before they tee it up. But he makes good points about Auburn's team. Basically they return every single player from last year's team, which proved they could be a very good team on both sides of the ball in 11 of their 13 games. If they develop consistency in the second year under the new coaching staff, they will be as tough as anyone to put away this year in the SEC.

WAR EAGLE!!

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He knows Auburn will win the west as well as anyone who knows they won't at this point... it's all a guessing game before they tee it up.

Actually you're wrong. Handicapping whether Auburn will or won't win the West would show them favored to not win. That's really more of a statistical argument than a football argument.

Vegas has the West winner as follows:

Bama: -200
Arkansas: +300
Auburn: +500
LSU: +500
Miss St: +1200
Ole Miss: +1500

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Originally posted by Peter Rielly:
And Herbstreit has probably done a little more research on Auburn than anyone posting here, besides me, and see's a ton of returning talent on what was a pretty daggone solid team last year. He has mentioned watching a lot of film on Cam Newton, and he thinks he will be All-SEC this year, and possible Heisman Trophy canidate next year. But he's the expert... just so happens to have the same opinion as me. ;-)

WAR EAGLE!!

Isn't that the same guy that said Les Miles too Michigan was a "done deal" a few years back?
Didn't he pick Ole Miss to win the west last year?

Let's see...someone that picks Auburn to win the west this year is an "expert" that's done his research. Anyone that doesn't is an "idiot" who knows nothing about football. Got it.

Right now, his opinion is no better than anyone else's except he's on ESPN and I'm on a forum. My advice...don't bet the farm on anything Herbstreit says...like most "experts" he gets more wrong than he does right...but those wrong picks are soon forgotten.

Herbstreit can say whatever he wants, there is no way Auburn wins the SEC West this year. To do that, they'll have to beat Alabama, and that's not going to happen.

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Originally posted by midknightrider:
Isn't that the same guy that said Les Miles too Michigan was a "done deal" a few years back?
Didn't he pick Ole Miss to win the west last year?

Let's see...someone that picks Auburn to win the west this year is an "expert" that's done his research. Anyone that doesn't is an "idiot" who knows nothing about football. Got it.

Right now, his opinion is no better than anyone else's except he's on ESPN and I'm on a forum. My advice...don't bet the farm on anything Herbstreit says...like most "experts" he gets more wrong than he does right...but those wrong picks are soon forgotten.

First off... yes... several have proven to be idiots when trying to break down why Auburn CANNOT beat Bama or win the west. It's biased hatred with little to no facts, or the process of ignoring facts that may shoot holeS in their biased hatred based opinion... that defines "idiotic".

And 2.. I already said it... It's a guess from Kirk, just like some guess Arky, and some guess Bama.... If someone has Auburn 4th in the SEC west... guess what... it's a guess. No one knows how the season will unfold... That's why they tee it up, and that's why we watch.

WAR EAGLE!!

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Originally posted by Ronnie P.:
Lets see last year AU lost to Arkansas, Kentucky, LSU, Georgia, and Alabama (they didn't play Florida). So it only stands to reason they will win the National Championship this year.

ahh, I'm not following your math there ronald.

woodsman.. it was an attempt at sarcastic humor. read my reply to it a couple of posts down from his to see why truely makes no sense.

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Originally posted by Peter Rielly:
It's biased hatred with little to no facts, or the process of ignoring facts that may shoot holeS in their biased hatred based opinion... that defines "idiotic".

Talk about ignoring facts...
You say Auburn has "xxx" number of players back, combine that with their schedule, and come to the conclusion that Auburn will beat Bama, completely ignoring the fact that the coaches and players at Bama are better. But that "fact" would shoot holes in your conclusion.

You seem to think experience and scheduling can overcome the talent gap at the two schools. Others, including myself, don't. I know that the last couple of years have been really hard on Auburn fans with the success at Bama, especially last year. But I think your conclusions are based more on "hope" than "fact".

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Originally posted by midknightrider:
Talk about ignoring facts...
You say Auburn has "xxx" number of players back, combine that with their schedule, and come to the conclusion that Auburn will beat Bama, completely ignoring the fact that the coaches and players at Bama are better. But that "fact" would shoot holes in your conclusion.

You seem to think experience and scheduling can overcome the talent gap at the two schools. Others, including myself, don't. I know that the last couple of years have been really hard on Auburn fans with the success at Bama, especially last year. But I think your conclusions are based more on "hope" than "fact".

hmmmmm... So last year, an injury plagued and depleted Auburn roster plays Bama's "GREATEST TEAM EVER" almost out of the BCS champ game and almost out of a heisman trophy.... but now to think if Auburn is healthier than last year, has basically every starter back, plus every backup from last year, plus added depth from juco and freshmen newcomers, that they can't beat a Bama team that lost 9 starters off of their defense and both kickers, and a punt returner that bailed them out a ton, is completely impossible to debate with facts??
hmmmmm.. Fact is, you don't know if Alabama is better than Auburn right now, just as I don't know if Auburn is better than Alabama... they havent played yet. But the facts I state are solid as a foundation for every point I make. Of course I "hope" Auburn does well, but the facts I've stated shoe that my hope may just come true.

Oh... and let's say both teams stay completely healthy... Are you 100% certain that even on paper Alabama is even as good as they were last year??
Because I'm 100% certain that Auburn is better on paper than last year.

Which team has more question marks?? Seriously answer as non-biased as you possibly can... which team has more question marks?? In case you are struggling... the answer is Bama.. I'm gonna ask some of them as if I were you....
"Can the new punt returner match what Javier gave us?"
"How consistent is our freshman kicker gonna be? Will he cost us a game that Tiffin wouldve won?..and will the new punter be slower and get punts blocked that wouldntve last year... will he shank one that our punter last year wouldntve?"
"Can our secondary, with completely unproven guys, replace Arenus, Jackson, Johnson, Woodall, and Green?"
"Can our new nose-tackle plug up the running lanes as good as Cody?"
"Is Hightower back to 100%, and even if he is, can he be even 'almost' as good as McClain at running the defense?"
"Now that all of last years backups and redshirted players are the starters this year, do we have any depth behind them?"

Here's Auburn's questions
"Can Cam Newton be an upgrade at QB over Chris Todd?"...uh... not a big leap there
"Can Mario Fannin match what Ben Tate gave us last year?" Fannin has over 3000 yards(rushing, receiving, and kick returning) in his career, yep, just his turn at runnin back u.
hmmmm.. That's it on offense, everybody else is back from Auburn's record setting O of a year ago.

Defensively... the 2 only questions..
"Can the young guys provide solid special teams play to keep the starters off those spots?"
"Can the young guys provid solid enough PT to give the starters a breather they didn't have last year?"

The fallacy in your logic is even if Bama this year is not as good as Bama last year, which most football fans (including myself) think is possible and if Auburn this year is better than Auburn last year, which most football fans (including myself) think is possible, that does not equate to Auburn being better than Bama. It simply means this years Auburn team may be better than last years. Last year they finished 3-5 in the conference and tied for last place in the west. This year, due to their experience, schedule, and upgrade at QB, they're gonna win the west? I just don't see it, but then again, I'm not looking through orange and blue glasses, but I do wear an Alabama straw hat, just like Coach Saban...hahaha

LOL... The straw hat thing was good!! lol

But I ask you this... After Bama went 7-6 in '07, losing to La Monroe, and ending the regular season on a 4 game losing streak, would you have though they would come back and go 12-0 in the regular season in '08? They had a ton of returning starters back for Saban's second year, after losing several close games the previous year.... Auburn returns a ton of players for Chizik's second year, after blowing 14 point leads in 3 of their 5 losses, and are building on an offense that though inconsistent, was still top 20 in the nation and 2nd or 3rd in every major category in the SEC. Auburn was close to 11 wins last year with a scary thin team... now the thin tag is off for now(God willin they avoid the rash of injuries they had last year), so I think it should be easy to objectively invision a very good year for Auburn.

Yeah, my Bama hat does generate some not so pleasant comments from Auburn fans...hahaha

No. After the 7-6 season I never expected Bama to follow that with a 12-0 season. I see it as more of an anomaly than the norm. Can Auburn do it? Sure. Do I think they will? No. After all, as much as Auburn fans hate to admit it...Auburn ain't Alabama and Chizik ain't Saban.

Hey, If Kirk wants to declare Auburn, LSU, or Mississipi St. as preseason champions of the west, let him go right ahead. It would be nice for someone else to have a bullseye on there back.

Pete

You're wasting your time arguing with gumps. They're on top right now and will stay there forever.

That said it will be difficult for AU to win the west. Yes defensive depth will be better and yes the Tigers should be able to score a lot of points but a couple of injuries here or there and our depth problems come right back. Alabama and LSU have better talent and we are at least one more good recruiting class away from challenging for the championship.

The good news is at least it wasn't Corso or Holtz that picked Auburn.

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Originally posted by tigrtrek:
Pete

You're wasting your time arguing with gumps. They're on top right now and will stay there forever.

That said it will be difficult for AU to win the west. Yes defensive depth will be better and yes the Tigers should be able to score a lot of points but a couple of injuries here or there and our depth problems come right back. Alabama and LSU have better talent and we are at least one more good recruiting class away from challenging for the championship.

The good news is at least it wasn't Corso or Holtz that picked Auburn.

Funny...that's the same thing I said in the other thread, but I'm an "idiot Bammer" who's degrading Auburn. The truth's the truth, no matter what colors you wear. Maybe he'll believe it if it's said by a fellow Auburn fan. But then again...he might want to argue with you also.

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Originally posted by midknightrider:
Yeah, my Bama hat does generate some not so pleasant comments from Auburn fans...hahaha

No. After the 7-6 season I never expected Bama to follow that with a 12-0 season. I see it as more of an anomaly than the norm. Can Auburn do it? Sure. Do I think they will? No. After all, as much as Auburn fans hate to admit it...Auburn ain't Alabama and Chizik ain't Saban.

actually the "idiot bammer" and degrading Auburn comment I made was for Nash.... he's always been that way though so I don't put much stock in it...
As for "Auburn ain't Alabama and Chizik ain't Saban".... That is very true... Alabama is the state school, has a richer football tradition overall, and obviously has the bigger fan base(i.e. state named school)... however, in the last 30 years, Bama has 1 more SEC championship than Auburn(7 to 6), they both have 2 undefeated seasons in that strech(Bama '92 and '09, Auburn '93 and '04), and Auburn actually has a slight lead in the Iron Bowl over that span(16-14)... and I know I know, Franchione, Dubose, Shula... yada yada yada.. I hate to mention to you that if we erase the 6 game streak because of that, then we have to erase Bama's 9 game streak in the 70's when barfield was the coach for the last 5 of em...
My point on that is, folks my age see Auburn as equal to Alabama(objectively), and until '08, foks younger than me saw Auburn as THE dominant team in the state.
And I've already mentioned about the Chizik/Saban comparison... Saban has been a head coach for what? 20 years?? Chizik is starting his 4th... of course he's not to that level yet. Pointless to even bring that point up. But Chizik has a great staff that has proven to be hard workers, great recruiters, and love Auburn. Time will tell, but he has a great opportunity to build a fantastic career at on of the best football schools in the country.

WAR EAGLE!!

Also, some fun facts about the Iron Bowl... Auburn held the series lead at 14-13-1 after the first 28 meeting. The Bear Bryant era is the only thing that put Alabama over the top in the state obviously, as he routinely dominated the matchup. But that's one coach and one era, over all, Auburn does just fine in this matchup.
Anther helpfull fact as to why Bama boasts the 40-33-1 overall lead is the fact that in Birmingham(Alabama's home away from T-town), the record is 34-18-1 in this "so-called" nuetral site... However, in the home and home meetings, Auburn leads the series 13-4(@ Auburn and @ Tuscaloosa).... just to round out the math for those who may notice, the game was played in Mongomery 4 times where the teams split 2-2.
So yeah, nationally, Alabama has more notariety over history with their claimed 13 MNC, but it is an absolute myth that they dominate their instate rival.

WAR EAGLE!!

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Originally posted by Peter Rielly:

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Originally posted by midknightrider:
Yeah, my Bama hat does generate some not so pleasant comments from Auburn fans...hahaha

No. After the 7-6 season I never expected Bama to follow that with a 12-0 season. I see it as more of an anomaly than the norm. Can Auburn do it? Sure. Do I think they will? No. After all, as much as Auburn fans hate to admit it...Auburn ain't Alabama and Chizik ain't Saban.

actually the "idiot bammer" and degrading Auburn comment I made was for Nash.... he's always been that way though so I don't put much stock in it...
As for "Auburn ain't Alabama and Chizik ain't Saban".... That is very true... Alabama is the state school, has a richer football tradition overall, and obviously has the bigger fan base(i.e. state named school)... however, in the last 30 years, Bama has 1 more SEC championship than Auburn(7 to 6), they both have 2 undefeated seasons in that strech(Bama '92 and '09, Auburn '93 and '04), and Auburn actually has a slight lead in the Iron Bowl over that span(16-14)... and I know I know, Franchione, Dubose, Shula... yada yada yada.. I hate to mention to you that if we erase the 6 game streak because of that, then we have to erase Bama's 9 game streak in the 70's when barfield was the coach for the last 5 of em...
My point on that is, folks my age see Auburn as equal to Alabama(objectively), and until '08, foks younger than me saw Auburn as THE dominant team in the state.
And I've already mentioned about the Chizik/Saban comparison... Saban has been a head coach for what? 20 years?? Chizik is starting his 4th... of course he's not to that level yet. Pointless to even bring that point up. But Chizik has a great staff that has proven to be hard workers, great recruiters, and love Auburn. Time will tell, but he has a great opportunity to build a fantastic career at on of the best football schools in the country.

WAR EAGLE!!

Again, I'm a Blue Raider fan first, I didn't go to UA, but you can call me what you want.

I was right last year, I'm pretty sure I'll be right again this year. Auburn could surprise me, but I doubt it.

No matter how much fuzzy math you do, Bama is still the better team of the two this year. 2010 will simply be a mediocre season for the Tigers. There is no way they'll win the SEC, the SEC West, or the Iron Bowl.

Just like Ole Miss was the "media darling" last year...Auburn is this year. They finished 3-5 in the SEC last year after a second half swoon, they have a first year QB, an unproven RB, and an untested defense that was extremely poor last year. Yet they are going to win ten or eleven games and go too the SECCG? I just don't get it, and certainly don't agree.

That's human nature, and people in the media know it. If you pick a "longshot" and it comes in, you're deemed an "expert" and you can crow about it for several years, irregardless of those ten years you were wrong. They are soon forgotten, so people like KH can gain a lot of credibility while not having to risk anything.

That's actually a fair point about Ole Miss... but there are differences.
#1. Ole Miss overachived in 2008 while LSU had their worst season in a while, Auburn tanked during the "Tony Franklin Project", Arky struggled through year one with Petrino, and Miss State struggle through yeal last with Croom. Basically all the same reasons Alabama breezed through SEC west play that year.. peaked at a good time.

#2. Houston Nutt, while a good motivator, is not the genious folks tagged him with. His best season as a coach was with Arkansas the year his O-coordinator was... who was that guy??? ummmmmm OH YEAH... Gus Malzahn. Somehow Nutt gets credit for that offense, but that was all Malzahn.

#3. Ole Miss does not have the talent that Auburn has... never has and most likely never will. Year in and year out Auburn has better players than Ole Miss. INJURIES on last years Auburn team kept them from a 10 or 11 win season. Now they have those players back. If they stay healthy, Auburn has as good a first 22 as anybody in the SEC. (if you need a position by position breakdown, you know I can give it. lol)

And Mario Fannin is faaaarrrr from unproven... more like, under-used. He has battled through a shoulder injury most of the last 2 seasons, yet in his 3 years he has 950 yards rushing, 950 yards ko returning, and 800 yards receiving. He has been behind a pretty good back named Ben Tate during his career, and like the entire offense, had to battle through the coaching debacle that was Tubbs' last year. This guy is as good an athlete as any in the league. 5'11" 225lbs, but runs like a 205 pounder, hands like a receiver, smooth as silk in his cuts. If he stays healthy all year, he will be in the 1300 yd rushing and 300 yd receiving area and will be a 1st or 2nd round pick in the NFL draft... book it.

WAR EAGLE!!

ps.. oh, and we had an unproven QB last year.. remember him?? Chris freakin Todd... yeah, unproven and now a few times over record holder for Auburn in the passing dept.... Cam just has to be AS good as an average QB, cept he can run... I think we are fine at that position. but thanx for your concern. lol

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Auburn tanked during the "Tony Franklin Project"

Can't blame Franklin for that year. We had him last year and won 9 regular season games + whooped Southern Miss in the New Orleans bowl for 10. Auburn tanked that year because they sucked.

Nash has a point with Franklin. He was a horrible fit with Auburn and did not have the QB to run his offense. Todd would have been okay but he had a bum shoulder in 2008.

Personally I look for Auburn to have a 9-3 or 8-4 type year. The talents upgraded and all of the tough games save one are at home. Honestly 2011 will be the challenge replacing the entire o-line will be a killer.

I don't blame Franklin for that year completely... He was misguided in his order for the O-linemen to lose weight(can't have SEC o-linemen playing at 285)... That was idiotic. His style of running game also isn't suitable for the SEC... way too much east west running with very little to no power game.
But no matter his faults, he was hired by Tubbs to be the offensive boss, and the rest of the staff didn't gel with him. Tubbs obviously took the side of the guys that had been with him the longest and dropped Franklin. That was a total and absolute clusterf%*& in terms of coaching that year. Auburn was, week in and week out, the LEAST PREPARED team in the country.... thus the 5-7 record.
But it has worked out for the best. Chizik, Malzahn, Trooper Taylor, Curtis Looper, Tracy Rocker, and the rest of this coaching staff all work together, and work HARD. Last year's team was prepared week in and week out...just didn't have the depth to pull out the season they had potential for. This year, thanks to actually haveing a full roster, I think they come a lot closer to reaching that potential.

WAR EAGLE!!

just thought i'd bump this back to the top...if for no other reason that to see how the crow tastes.

I was wrong. Herbstreit got it right.

War Eagle!!!

Congrats to all of the War Eagle Fans , young and old.. It a is great feeling for any team to get to Atlanta , years from now , Memories of this season wil be shared by family and friends as it should be !

Bama needs to play a good game , with very little mistakes, do I think Bama can win ? Yes "Roll Tide Roll" and "War Eagle"

I too am a fan of both AL and AU for 364 days a year, but on "that" day I am War Eagle all the way.

Thanx adamryan!!

LOL
I was gonna do the same, but you beat me to it!!
And Nash.. you said Heirby got it right... wanna give me some props yet??? lol... just messin with ya man. But if you wanna give me a "you were right all year" if Auburn takes Bama out in 2 weeks, go right ahead. Turns out my orange and blue glasses allowed me to see the future.....

WAR EAGLE!!