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ASU student objects to sensitivity exercise

Arizona State University senior Ryan Visconti was told “his kind” wasn’t welcome — that he was an abomination and an unforgiveable sinner. He pleaded to join the “church,” which was set up Jan. 10 as part of diversity training for ASU dormitory employees.



ASU Residential Life spokeswoman Diana Medina said the role-play was designed to examine the effects of racism, classism and “homophobia” on different cultural and economic groups.

But Visconti said the students who designed the roleplay overlooked their own stereotypes, such as the notion that white men don’t have to work for wealth because society gives them a free ride. Or the idea that Christian churches are filled with bigots, and people who support traditional family values such as heterosexual marriage are hateful and narrow-minded.

“They were basically saying that if you don’t feel the same way, you’re wrong,” Visconti said. “It got to the point that if you weren’t a minority or gay, you were supposed to feel guilty and that everything was given to you in life.”



http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/index.php?sty=82699

This is a WONDERFUL example of what the FEMI-NAZI's,homosexuals and hard core right wing liberals are attempting to do in or country!
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All anybody is trying to do is live their own lives without everybody else harassing them with someone elses antiquated hang-ups.



No, thats no quite right. All their trying to do is bring their sexual preferance out in the public eye, then force acceptance of it.

This is one guy that don't accept nothing he doesn't believe is right. PC ain't my bag, in other words. If you or anyone want to devulge your private life in a public forum...I'll tell you exactly what I think about it!
All anybody is trying to do is live their own lives without everybody else harassing them with someone elses antiquated hang-ups.



I must disagree. I believe that they want special rights and considerations. Have you ever been to Disney World on one of the so called "gay pride days"? Or to New Orleans on Burbon Street in the last 15 years to see how homos act out in pubplic? If not let me know and I will describe it to you. It is a sickening sight.
To add: or when you have just signed a lease to an apartment while moving to a new town. I was in uniform also. Some dude walks in to do some paperwork with the manager, and then he leaves, or so you think. You walk outside to go to your vehicle, and he is waiting for you, wants to "talk" to you....Turns out, he is gay, and he attempted to ask me out....I quoted Leviticus 20-13, and that stopped him cold.

Message was received, I never had anymore problems out of that rat.

Back to the article: I read it. More PC indoctrination. There is another article I read from the Moscow News as linked on the Drudge Report tonite.....

http://mosnews.com/news/2007/01/29/satanisgay.shtml
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Is it possible that an active duty member of the US Armed Forces, his claim, sworn to uphold the Constitution of the United States of America responds to an unwelcome solicitation by threatening to shoot and harm seriously an unarmed citizen? Is that possible?
Then brags about it on a public forum? It is a good thing for you that no one has contacted your CO. You are not just out of line you must be out of your mind.
This Brentenman person really bothers me, not his opinions but his anger and hatred. I think contacting the US Attorney would not be out of line here. This person has access to firearms AND has threatened to use them against fellow citizens.
It does not matter what the gay person said or proposed to you. It certainly does not qualify for your deadly force threats. You scare me.
brentenman,

I to have been approached by homosexuals. I to reject their approaches. I have no need to threaten them or to tell others that I will shoot them if they approach me again. In only one case, out of several hundred, I worked in the entertainment business remember, was there a second approach, despite the fact that I continued to work with the people involved, In one case, as a cast member in a major stage production, I was the ONLY straight male in a group of about 20 men. And 18 women. All I can tell you is the attention I got from the women would make the Shiek of Araby jealous.
You are a fool brentenman, tollerance is a gift you give yourself. Saying no to a gay man is almost always enough to end the offers of romance. OFFERING SEVERE BODILY HARM CAN GET YOU SHOT. In Arizona, shot with no consequence to the shooter. Here, self defense is established by a prior threat.

There are more things under heaven Horatio that are dreamt of in your philosophy.
I dont think that the traditional marriage (one man, one woman) is narrow-minded. I think that people these days are too open-minded. Homosexuality is just plan wrong. A long time ago you wouldnt even think about some of the stuff that goes on in the world today. But over years more and more abnormal stuff started to become normal.

I wouldnt doubt, in the future, people will be marrying farm animals. And demanding their right to be treated as equals and to not looked down upon.

Just because it is so common doesnt make it in any way right.
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Originally posted by holly62884:
I dont think that the traditional marriage (one man, one woman) is narrow-minded. I think that people these days are too open-minded. Homosexuality is just plan wrong. A long time ago you wouldnt even think about some of the stuff that goes on in the world today. But over years more and more abnormal stuff started to become normal.

I wouldnt doubt, in the future, people will be marrying farm animals. And demanding their right to be treated as equals and to not looked down upon.

Just because it is so common doesnt make it in any way right.
Holly,

you're absolutely right. You think traditional marriage is sacrosanct.
I think untraditioal marriage is too.
I think you think Marriage is a Church Matter, I agree with you.
I DON'T THINK YOU KNOW ALL THERE IS TO KNOW ABOUT MARRIAGE.
For one thing, to be legally married, you have to have a GOVERNMENT FORM, SIGNED BY THE PEOPLE BEING MARRIED, TWO WITNESSES, AND AN AGENT OF THE GOVERNMENT. Our government has granted Ministers of ALL religions the power to sign the licenses as agents of the government. That is about as unseperated as Church and State can get. The power of a minister to sign as an agent of the government makes the minister an agent of the government. THAT SHOULD BE DECLARED UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
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Originally posted by flatulentinFl:
Is it possible that an active duty member of the US Armed Forces, his claim, sworn to uphold the Constitution of the United States of America responds to an unwelcome solicitation by threatening to shoot and harm seriously an unarmed citizen? Is that possible?
Then brags about it on a public forum? It is a good thing for you that no one has contacted your CO. You are not just out of line you must be out of your mind.


A WWII Navy vet friend of mine told of how 'homos' were 'dealt with' onboard ship. According to him, '...the decks are very slippery at times...".
I think the original poster of this thread is the "hateful and narrow-minded one."

As for Bruntman, if you were approached by a gay person, there must be something about you that indicated to him that you might be gay. Gay people don't approach people who they think are straight! Do you think they are idiots?

Which proves my next point, Bruntman is probably a closet case!
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Originally posted by dogsoldier0513:


A WWII Navy vet friend of mine told of how 'homos' were 'dealt with' onboard ship. According to him, '...the decks are very slippery at times...".


Are you inferring that deadly force is justified against persons who are homosexual?

If so, I'm glad you are a "former" law enforcement officer, and not presently employed in that career.
It's a good thing that most woman aren't as pyschologically disturbed as Brentenman (another poor representative of the U.S. military, just like dogsoldier0513. Shame on you!). If women felt so inclined to kill every man that approached us that we otherwise wish had never looked our way, there would likely be a male population deficit. A simple "No thanks" or "I'm not interested" usually does the trick. Or, you can completely ignore the person.

This constant threat of violence is why some believe that the gay community want "special rights and considerations". Though, I'm not sure what "special" rights you speak of. Equal rights, or special rights?

It's interesting that someone pointed out how gay people act at Mardi Gras. Obviously, he only noticed them because they are different from him. He seems to have overlooked the heterosexual behavior going down there. And why would he attend a Gay Pride day at Disney World if that isn't his cup of tea? Hmm...
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...yet no mention of the rampant public nudity displayed by hetero people. The women flashing their breasts and "other regions" for some trinkets and attention? The guys oggling them and yelling things like "show your ****" in mass numbers in unison doesn't bother you?

Qoute from Smart Chick


I have never been to Madi Gra. I have been to several Sugar Bowls and other events in N.O. I did not see girls showing their breast. I do know that girls do that during Madi Gra. I did see flaming fa****s flaunting around nude and and being perverted on a regular week night.

You don't see heteros having sex and being perverted at Disney Land. homos on the other hand......
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Or to New Orleans on Burbon Street in the last 15 years to see how homos act out in pubplic? If not let me know and I will describe it to you. It is a sickening sight


Let's see if I can cypher this out. Gays act like fools in Public. This makes you sick. Therfore Gays ARE FORCING YOU TO BE SICK...is that the meaning of what you said? Or is it this, GAYS ARE AN ABOMINATION IN THE SIGHT OF GOD. Does that mean you are Godlike because you find gays abominable? Or, were you FORCED to watch the parading? Or was your fascination with Gays so great you could not help yourself and just had to watch?
I know for sure these quesions don't cover all the possibilities. Perhaps you could JUST TELL ME precisely what is bothering you knowing that people can have a grand time.
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Originally posted by Dillydabbin:
It's a good thing that most woman aren't as pyschologically disturbed as Brentenman (another poor representative of the U.S. military, just like dogsoldier0513. Shame on you!). If women felt so inclined to kill every man that approached us that we otherwise wish had never looked our way, there would likely be a male population deficit. A simple "No thanks" or "I'm not interested" usually does the trick. Or, you can completely ignore the person.

This constant threat of violence is why some believe that the gay community want "special rights and considerations". Though, I'm not sure what "special" rights you speak of. Equal rights, or special rights?

It's interesting that someone pointed out how gay people act at Mardi Gras. Obviously, he only noticed them because they are different from him. He seems to have overlooked the heterosexual behavior going down there. And why would he attend a Gay Pride day at Disney World if that isn't his cup of tea? Hmm...
Thanks for reminding me that the pretty wairtress at Denny's is forbiden to carry a gun at work. I will keep in mind that not everyone follows the rules, and Just say good afternoon to her next time.
Really good response. Makes me wonder if I should not rethink the Hillary Clinton Candidacy. Perhaps she would be less likely to shoot from the hip the way GW does.
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Originally posted by flatulentinFl:
This Brentenman person really bothers me, not his opinions but his anger and hatred. I think contacting the US Attorney would not be out of line here. This person has access to firearms AND has threatened to use them against fellow citizens.
It does not matter what the gay person said or proposed to you. It certainly does not qualify for your deadly force threats. You scare me.


Deepset anger and hatred only hurts the person who holds it inside of them. There IS therapy for these matters. This sort of therapy is needed on a lot of people, granted. Thank God I am the way I am, ... tolerance, acceptance doesnt always mean approval, but just the fact that I am able to handle my life the way I do, and just IGNORE those who I have to, then I am happy, and believe me, God is happy with me!!! This I KNOW!
This is one guy that don't accept nothing he doesn't believe is right. PC ain't my bag, in other words. If you or anyone want to devulge your private life in a public forum...I'll tell you exactly what I think about it![/QUOTE]
Mott, I THINK YOU BETTER START ACCEPTING. You have to know that there are people who would be enraged if you flaunted your sexual preference, in fact, outside very controlled situations, flaunting sexuality can get anyone arrested.
This is not an issue of SPECIAL privileges, it is an issue of CIVIL RIGHTS.
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Originally posted by Holly62884:
I dont think that the traditional marriage (one man, one woman) is narrow-minded. I think that people these days are too open-minded. Homosexuality is just plan wrong. A long time ago you wouldnt even think about some of the stuff that goes on in the world today. But over years more and more abnormal stuff started to become normal.

I wouldnt doubt, in the future, people will be marrying farm animals. And demanding their right to be treated as equals and to not looked down upon.

Just because it is so common doesnt make it in any way right.


Biblically it is wrong, morally speaking society says it is wrong, but the bottom line is that what consenting adults do behind closed doors is none of any of our business.
Deepset anger and hatred only hurts the person who holds it inside of them. There IS therapy for these matters. This sort of therapy is needed on a lot of people, granted. quoted from Kindred Spirit

IN THIS CASE, THE PERSON WHO HOLD THE DEEPSET ANGER AND HATRED IS ARMED, AND DANGEROUS, AND UNIFORMED AND REPRESENTS ME. HIS HATRED PUTS ME AT RISK AND I RESENT THAT.

Kindred, generally you would be correct, but when the person with the hatred has the color of authority as a mantel, and is armed, it hurts others.
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Originally posted by dogsoldier0513:
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Originally posted by Dillydabbin:
It's a good thing that most woman aren't as pyschologically disturbed as Brentenman (another poor representative of the U.S. military, just like dogsoldier0513. Shame on you!).


Wow. After a whopping 3 posts, you presume to 'know' us. Impressive.


I am duly impressed also!! Big Grin
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Originally posted by dogsoldier0513:
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Originally posted by Dillydabbin:
It's a good thing that most woman aren't as pyschologically disturbed as Brentenman (another poor representative of the U.S. military, just like dogsoldier0513. Shame on you!).


Wow. After a whopping 3 posts, you presume to 'know' us. Impressive.

I know YOU...and I have been able to form an opinion of YOU...and my opinion of YOU matches Dilldabbin's better than your profile matches the profile of a GOOD soldier.
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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
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Originally posted by EdEKit:
Deepset anger and hatred only hurts the person who holds it inside of them. There IS therapy for these matters. This sort of therapy is needed on a lot of people, granted. quoted from Kindred Spirit

IN THIS CASE, THE PERSON WHO HOLD THE DEEPSET ANGER AND HATRED IS ARMED, AND DANGEROUS, AND UNIFORMED AND REPRESENTS ME. HIS HATRED PUTS ME AT RISK AND I RESENT THAT.

Kindred, generally you would be correct, but when the person with the hatred has the color of authority as a mantel, and is armed, it hurts others.


Ed, I didn't think of that,.... WOW!!! Eeker

Maybe I thought of it because of a dead man about a half mile from my house, KILLED BY A COUPLE OF HOMOPHOBS with their bare hands. I am a patron of the bar where the bus stops. I am blond, blue eyed, very slender, and I HAVE BEEN CALLED GAY MORE THAN ONCE. Two Wives and a couple of dozen girl friends would come to my defense immediately. But THESE TWO MURDERING JERKS did not as the victim's wife, or his two small children.
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Originally posted by Yo Brotha from anotha Motha:
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Perhaps you could JUST TELL ME precisely what is bothering you knowing that people can have a grand time.


Is having a grand time really what your asking about?

NO, I have little patience for Imbiciles. I MADE A SPECIFIC REQUEST, "Perhaps you could JUST TELL ME precisely what is bothering you knowing that people can have a grand time."

DEFINITION OF A GRAND TIME: posing for and flirting with potential mates. GREAT TIME: succeeding.
EdEKit....

NOTHING can excuse behavior such as you described....and I don't believe anyone on this forum is attempting to justify such behavior OR condone it.

However, it IS because of men and women, like some on this forum, that HAVE served our country that we AND you have the ability to post our views without fear of retaliation.

Everyone wants soldiers in times of terroristic attacks and war, but let the political winds change....

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