Originally Posted by teyates:

Meanwhile, our neighbors from across the river are trying their best to stop a project that could bring up to $300M in to the local economy, the biggest thing in this area in decades. 

Yeah but, they'll have a new sign and we won't.  It looks like Hillshire has a lot of positions available but, most seem to be in Zeeland, MI and Chicago, IL.

Originally Posted by teyates:

Meanwhile, our neighbors from across the river are trying their best to stop a project that could bring up to $300M in to the local economy, the biggest thing in this area in decades. 

Are you speaking of the hospital that Keller so desperately does not want Shoals area residents to have?

Originally Posted by teyates:

Yes Fred, I am. Also one of the biggest employers in Lauderdale County, and one of the only hopsitals in north Alabama that contributes directly to the tax base.

That's a shame, sounds like we had a chance for a top notch medical facility that would have been a great help to the people in our area and would have also made the area more attractive to both retirees and prospective college students. 

Jank,

Why do you believe that is the case?  I am truly wondering, not being obstrusive.

When I read statements like this in that study...

"The one caveat I’ll mention is that these state-level leading indexes use “interest rate spreads” as part of the calculations.  That is, they look at the difference between the interest rate that longer-term US Treasuries are paying versus very short-term ones.  Because the Federal Reserve has intervened and lowered interest rates to essentially zero, using this kind of analysis as part of the equation can yield overly optimistic results."

 

 

....it makes me wonder if they are all being compared on equal footing.  Secondly, it looks the economy that everyone is hearing that is rebounding so well, is really not doing well at all.

Not to worry. The President has created so many new jobs that they have caught up with the firings that happened when he first took over the office sso there should be plenty of new ones available. This is evident by the new lower unemployment job reports, So a few lost jobs is nothing to worry about. They can get food stamps, 2 years of unemployment payments, low cost health insurance, free cell phones, re-finance their houses for lower rates, and a free Democratic Voter registration card already filled out.

When union representation was highest, was unemployment lowest?  Now unemployment is high and union representation is low.  Or do I have that backwards?

 

Is this right or wrong?  Why do you feel that way?  

When I was a young boy, things seemed to be going pretty good and union membership was higher than now.  Or, am I mistaken about that?

Originally Posted by teyates:

Meanwhile, our neighbors from across the river are trying their best to stop a project that could bring up to $300M in to the local economy, the biggest thing in this area in decades. 

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Correction please ! Not ALL your neighbors across the river are trying to stop that project.

Mostly it is our neighbors to East in cahoots with Keller that are throwing a monkey wrench into the works for their financial greed.

It's sad, but financial greed and political power to pull it off always go hand in hand and never benefit the average person - just the rich.

 

 

Originally Posted by jtdavis:

When union representation was highest, was unemployment lowest?  Now unemployment is high and union representation is low.  Or do I have that backwards?

 

Is this right or wrong?  Why do you feel that way?  

When I was a young boy, things seemed to be going pretty good and union membership was higher than now.  Or, am I mistaken about that?

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It was t time and a place is the answer.

the decline of unions had more to do with the stagnation of wages for the middle class than in the number of jobs. The war on unions which started in the late 70s and still continues contributes to the inequality of wealth , globalization and technology is what is affecting the number of jobs.

seeweed, i'm glad the someone understands that.  When union membership drops, so does the middle class.  When union membership drops, more money goes to the top percenters.  When union membership drops, disposable income drops and causes demand to drop which leads to plant closings.  If every ones income, in the last 40 years, had increased the same percent as the top 10%, there would only be voluntary unemployment.

Originally Posted by jtdavis:

When union representation was highest, was unemployment lowest?  Now unemployment is high and union representation is low.  Or do I have that backwards?

 

Is this right or wrong?  Why do you feel that way?  

When I was a young boy, things seemed to be going pretty good and union membership was higher than now.  Or, am I mistaken about that?

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One more time. union membership and high employment existed in the last forties to early sixties.  This golden period existed because the US was the last man standing after WWII. Only our factories escaped almost total destruction, plus our workforce was not extremely decimated.  Unions had as much to do with this as wet sidewalks causing rain.

 

Unions were an answer to the old command and control business management system which no longer exists,  Union membership begin to decline when workers realized they were no longer getting their money's worth.

 

Originally Posted by direstraits:
Originally Posted by jtdavis:

When union representation was highest, was unemployment lowest?  Now unemployment is high and union representation is low.  Or do I have that backwards?

 

Is this right or wrong?  Why do you feel that way?  

When I was a young boy, things seemed to be going pretty good and union membership was higher than now.  Or, am I mistaken about that?

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One more time. union membership and high employment existed in the last forties to early sixties.  This golden period existed because the US was the last man standing after WWII. Only our factories escaped almost total destruction, plus our workforce was not extremely decimated.  Unions had as much to do with this as wet sidewalks causing rain.

 

Unions were an answer to the old command and control business management system which no longer exists,  Union membership begin to decline when workers realized they were no longer getting their money's worth.

 

What an utterly stupid statement dire. ....in your world you think workers are more satisfied with less pay. Quit thinking for others dire. Your loyalty to the Atlanta elite is showing sucker.

Originally Posted by jtdavis:

Has someone proven my assumption wrong?  No

Have you proven a correlation between level of union membership and unemployment rates?

 

Show us the data please. 

 

It is not our job to do your homework for you. You made the statement now prove it.

Originally Posted by jtdavis:

No one has proven me wrong.  Show me some numbers.  Not just the right wing no, no, no

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Rules of argumentation do require one provide proof of an assertion.  Mere saying its so, doesn't make it so.  Soviet era unions had high membership and, yes, full employment.  Full employment in industries out of date and not profitable. 

Originally Posted by Bestworking:
Originally Posted by jtdavis:

No one has proven me wrong.  Show me some numbers.  Not just the right wing no, no, no

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Again, proven you wrong or right about WHAT? What numbers? Let's see if you can answer a very simple question. Are you trying to say unions create jobs? Simple question, it's either yes or no.

 

Unions never was intended to create jobs. They was put in place to protect the workers from low wages and jobsite injuries. They was also implemented to bring the income gap of management closer to those who do the actual labor. I have no problem with a CEO making big bucks as long as the common worker can make enough money to live a comfortable life without having to worry about loosing everything they have worked for in the event of some tragedy or health issue.

Originally Posted by unclegus:

Unions never was intended to create jobs. They was put in place to protect the workers from low wages and jobsite injuries. They was also implemented to bring the income gap of management closer to those who do the actual labor. I have no problem with a CEO making big bucks as long as the common worker can make enough money to live a comfortable life without having to worry about loosing everything they have worked for in the event of some tragedy or health issue.

How do you define a "low wage"? If you think you are worth $20 an hour but there are 100 equally qualified people willing to take the job for $15 an hour then you are clearly not worth $20 an hour.

 

Something is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. It doesn't matter if we are talking about a unit of labor or a used Camry.

Originally Posted by Kenny Powers:
Originally Posted by unclegus:

Unions never was intended to create jobs. They was put in place to protect the workers from low wages and jobsite injuries. They was also implemented to bring the income gap of management closer to those who do the actual labor. I have no problem with a CEO making big bucks as long as the common worker can make enough money to live a comfortable life without having to worry about loosing everything they have worked for in the event of some tragedy or health issue.

How do you define a "low wage"? If you think you are worth $20 an hour but there are 100 equally qualified people willing to take the job for $15 an hour then you are clearly not worth $20 an hour.

 

Something is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. It doesn't matter if we are talking about a unit of labor or a used Camry.


 So you are evidently in favor of illegal immigrants coming in and taking the jobs away from U.S. citizens!

 

 

I have seen way too many people like you who could care less if their employees make a decent living as long as they themselves can pocket large sums of money in their coffers. If an employee gets sick and cannot work then he is pushed aside because someone else can do his job now.

Originally Posted by unclegus:

I have seen way too many people like you who could care less if their employees make a decent living as long as they themselves can pocket large sums of money in their coffers. If an employee gets sick and cannot work then he is pushed aside because someone else can do his job now.

Where did I say anything about pushing aside sick employees?

 

If you are having a project done at your house and you have 2 equally qualified contractors bidding on the job are you going to accept the higher bid or the lower bid? You will definitely accept the lower bid because you are being prudent with your money.

 

Why do you vilify a business owner for doing the same thing?

 You apparently are not aware that I am a licensed contractor myself. I have to give estimates all the time knowing that someone else is going to put in a bid lower than me. What is important is that you get what you pay for and the lowest price is not always the cheapest estimate.  I always make it clear that my employees are suitably compensated and they are covered under workers compensation and am insured to protect the homeowner. 

 

Uncle, illegal is illegal, I have always thought that.  I challenge anyone on here that thinks a teenager flipping burgers should make fifteen dollars an hour to jump through all the hoops required to open and run a business in todays economy and pay a non skilled worker fifteen dollars an hour.  I would be willing to bet that an owner operator of a hot dog cart in New York doesn,t average fifteen dollars an hour.  I feel bad for all the families affected by the closing of Rudy Farms.  That company has been a pretty good employer for people that were between jobs for a long time.  There are a few long term employees there, but most take a job there hoping to move on.

Originally Posted by mad American:

Uncle, illegal is illegal, I have always thought that.  I challenge anyone on here that thinks a teenager flipping burgers should make fifteen dollars an hour to jump through all the hoops required to open and run a business in todays economy and pay a non skilled worker fifteen dollars an hour.  I would be willing to bet that an owner operator of a hot dog cart in New York doesn,t average fifteen dollars an hour.  I feel bad for all the families affected by the closing of Rudy Farms.  That company has been a pretty good employer for people that were between jobs for a long time.  There are a few long term employees there, but most take a job there hoping to move on.


For your information, I am happy with the minimum wage being right where it is. However I do feel that a skilled worker should be better compensated and there should not be such a big gap between the CEO's and the people who actually do the physical labor.

 

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