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Much has been made about this topic in connection to the Bible and Christian beliefs.  Some have said that we have to go back to the old Testament scriptures to say it's a sin.  How do you view the following Scripture and what do you think it is saying and talking about?  What do you believe the following is saying and does not the words in bold text sound like Homosexuality?


Romans 1:25-32 (CEV)
25 They gave up the truth about God for a lie, and they worshiped God's creation instead of God, who will be praised forever. Amen.
26 God let them follow their own evil desires. Women no longer wanted to have sex in a natural way, and they did things with each other that were not natural.
27 Men behaved in the same way. They stopped wanting to have sex with women and had strong desires for sex with other men. They did shameful things with each other, and what has happened to them is punishment for their foolish deeds.
28 Since these people refused even to think about God, he let their useless minds rule over them. That's why they do all sorts of indecent things.
29 They are evil, wicked, and greedy, as well as mean in every possible way. They want what others have, and they murder, argue, cheat, and are hard to get along with. They gossip,
30 say cruel things about others, and hate God. They are proud, conceited, and boastful, always thinking up new ways to do evil. These people don't respect their parents.
31 They are stupid, unreliable, and don't have any love or pity for others.
32 They know God has said that anyone who acts this way deserves to die. But they keep on doing evil things, and they even encourage others to do them.


God loves the Homosexual just like He loves any other sinner.  The Scripture, I believe, does say that Sex between two men and sex between two women is a sin and that man and woman were created to have relations with each other.  The above Scripture was taken from Romans, in the New (not Old) Testament.  Homosexuality does not send commit a person to Hell no more than lying or malice or any other sin.  When we are all judged we will be judged with respect to our actions, our sins, and our relation to Jesus Christ.  I do not believe that God condones and approves of any sin but any person is capable of, and does, sin.


consider:


1 Corinthians 6:9-11 (CEV)
9 Don't you know that evil people won't have a share in the blessings of God's kingdom? Don't fool yourselves! No one who is immoral or worships idols or is unfaithful in marriage or is a pervert or behaves like a homosexual
10 will share in God's kingdom. Neither will any thief or greedy person or drunkard or anyone who curses and cheats others.
11 Some of you used to be like that. But now the name of our Lord Jesus Christ and the power of God's Spirit have washed you and made you holy and acceptable to God.


It is through Jesus Christ that anyone can find forgiveness of Sins no matter what they are.




Be as the Bereans ( Acts 17:11 )

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Sin is not what sends a person to hell. What sends a person to hell is their unbelief in Jesus Christ. The Bible says that no man comes to the Father except through me (Jesus). Therefore no person can be saved except he believe in Jesus and accept Him as their personal Saviour. John 3:16 is pretty plain and simple.

A person that has accepted Jesus Christ as their Savior is a Christian but that doesn't mean that person will never sin again. Christians still sin but should not sin willingly and when they do they should ask for forgiveness of that sin. It's called repentance or turning away from that sin so that the relationship between the person and God is renewed. Similar to a child doing wrong and that relationship between parent and child is broken but when that child say's I'm sorry then it's hugs and kisses and the relationship is renewed.

Can a person be a Christian and a homosexual or *******? Personally I don't think so. A person that habitually lives in sin day after day without being convicted of that sin and turning away from it has never been saved. The scriptures say that people who live in such a manner will not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. A person that has truly been saved will want to live as Jesus lived not like the sinners of those days doing those things in your original post.

Originally Posted by I am the Fireman:

Sin is not what sends a person to hell. What sends a person to hell is their unbelief in Jesus Christ. The Bible says that no man comes to the Father except through me (Jesus). Therefore no person can be saved except he believe in Jesus and accept Him as their personal Saviour. John 3:16 is pretty plain and simple.

A person that has accepted Jesus Christ as their Savior is a Christian but that doesn't mean that person will never sin again. Christians still sin but should not sin willingly and when they do they should ask for forgiveness of that sin. It's called repentance or turning away from that sin so that the relationship between the person and God is renewed. Similar to a child doing wrong and that relationship between parent and child is broken but when that child say's I'm sorry then it's hugs and kisses and the relationship is renewed.

Can a person be a Christian and a homosexual or *******? Personally I don't think so. A person that habitually lives in sin day after day without being convicted of that sin and turning away from it has never been saved. The scriptures say that people who live in such a manner will not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. A person that has truly been saved will want to live as Jesus lived not like the sinners of those days doing those things in your original post.

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Does anyone wonder why the christian religion has been *******ized,

mutilated,raped,misinterpreted,laughted at and spun out of control???????

 

Iv 

Originally Posted by INVICTUS:
Originally Posted by I am the Fireman:

Sin is not what sends a person to hell. What sends a person to hell is their unbelief in Jesus Christ. The Bible says that no man comes to the Father except through me (Jesus). Therefore no person can be saved except he believe in Jesus and accept Him as their personal Saviour. John 3:16 is pretty plain and simple.

A person that has accepted Jesus Christ as their Savior is a Christian but that doesn't mean that person will never sin again. Christians still sin but should not sin willingly and when they do they should ask for forgiveness of that sin. It's called repentance or turning away from that sin so that the relationship between the person and God is renewed. Similar to a child doing wrong and that relationship between parent and child is broken but when that child say's I'm sorry then it's hugs and kisses and the relationship is renewed.

Can a person be a Christian and a homosexual or *******? Personally I don't think so. A person that habitually lives in sin day after day without being convicted of that sin and turning away from it has never been saved. The scriptures say that people who live in such a manner will not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. A person that has truly been saved will want to live as Jesus lived not like the sinners of those days doing those things in your original post.

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Does anyone wonder why the christian religion has been *******ized,

mutilated,raped,misinterpreted,laughted at and spun out of control???????

 

Iv 

Amazingly, folks keep quoting the Bible as if it had any meaning in the real world.

When I posted this particular subject it was not to bash Homosexuals.  There were a few points I wanted to make/stress.

 

The New Testament (Contemporary to Christ) does address sex among same sex people and it isn't just referenced in the Old Testament.

 

Homosexuality is considered "unnatural" for created beings such as man/woman in that God's will and directions is to avoid it.

 

Homosexuality is no different, as for being considered a sin, than other sins that effect the Christian.

 

A Christian can be a Homosexual or can, after Salvation, become a participant in a Homosexual relationship.  In getting back to something Fireman said and it has to do with ANY sin and not just Homosexuality.   It is my belief that a saved person who was given the Holy Spirit of God to minister unto them will not be able to practice a continual life of sin and still experience the fruits/benefits of the Holy Spirit in their life.

 

Homosexuality, like most other sins, does not send a person to hell no more than setting a speed limit on a highway makes a person a speeder.  We all make choices and from those choices I believe we experience result from those choices but I do not believe it sends a person to Hell.  1 Corinthians 5:1-5 discusses a man caught in a sin that he chooses to continue rather than repent and what happens to him.  For one the Church stops him from being a part of their congregation, as a punishment, but according to Paul the man's choice of sin causes him to suffer a pre-mature death upon which the inner spirit/soul within that man is saved.

 

Regarding Christians, of all denominations or people of faith, I wanted to challenge you to be able to discuss a very "hotbed" subject without criticism among each other.  We as Christians, in our ministery or example to the world, should learn to deal with our own doctrinal differences without allowing a routine human emotion (anger or the liked) to control our dialog with each other and demonstrate that we can get along together although we disagree.  It gives us the Chance to explain why we believe as we do and why we accept/reject homosexuality as a topic among Christians for I do believe that there are practicing Christians who are homosexuals.  I though do believe that God's Holy Spirit will, internally, lead that person into a life where they are more concerned with pleasing God than allowing some act to cloud their relationship with their Holy Father.  We will most all disagree on one part of this subject but hopefully a non-Christian will see that with Christ it isn't the sin that condemns the person, for we all have a sin nature, but it is the rejection of Christ Jesus as our advocate with God as our personal Savior.  So whether homosexuality, adultery, lying, cheating, stealing, or just anger we all deal with a sinful flesh while we are in this fleshly life.  

 

That is a few reasons I thought discussion of this topic might be interesting to some of the forum participants.

Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
Originally Posted by INVICTUS:
Originally Posted by I am the Fireman:

 

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Does anyone wonder why the christian religion has been *******ized,

mutilated,raped,misinterpreted,laughted at and spun out of control???????

 

Iv 

Amazingly, folks keep quoting the Bible as if it had any meaning in the real world.

We always will Jimi for through the Bible we receive instruction from God to apply to our lives.  Even if a person is not a Christian the Bible contains much information that is interesting from a poetic, historic and philosophical point of view.  If though your bias fails to allow you to gain insights and information from it that is your choice.

Of course athiest don't believe anything a Christian says. Why would they? If you believe that the Bible is just a book and NOT the word that God himself inspired then not only are you lost spiritually but you are lost mentally. Your view of life in general is a vapor that will some day flash before your eyes and you'll wonder how you got so mislead your whole life. If I am being mislead by believing in Jesus Christ then when I die I'll have nothing to fear but on the other hand if you athiest are being mislead by your non-belief and you die and us crazy Christians are correct then you my dear friend have a lot to fear one second after you take your last breath here on this earth. Fear God and repent before it's to late.

Originally Posted by I am the Fireman:

Of course athiest don't believe anything a Christian says. Why would they? If you believe that the Bible is just a book and NOT the word that God himself inspired then not only are you lost spiritually but you are lost mentally. Your view of life in general is a vapor that will some day flash before your eyes and you'll wonder how you got so mislead your whole life. If I am being mislead by believing in Jesus Christ then when I die I'll have nothing to fear but on the other hand if you athiest are being mislead by your non-belief and you die and us crazy Christians are correct then you my dear friend have a lot to fear one second after you take your last breath here on this earth. Fear God and repent before it's to late.

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Fireman, I can hear that grease cracklin and poppin’ now down there in hell.

Hi all,

 

Fireman is correct.  People are saved, by the grace of God, through faith in Jesus Christ -- period (Ephesians 2:8-9).  Sin does not send a person to hell.  That person sends himself/herself to hell by denying God, by denying Jesus Christ.

 

If a person has a saving relationship with Jesus Christ -- that person has eternal life in Christ (John 6:47) and will spend eternity in the presence of God.  If the person does not have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ -- he/she has condemned himself/herself.

 

Now, can a person have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and still sin?  Absolutely!  All believers are sinners; only we are "forgiven sinners."

 

Can a person have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and still live an active lifestyle of sin, any sin?  No!  If a person chooses to actively live the lifestyle of a thief, a murderer, an adulterer, or as a homosexual -- that person does not have a saving relationship with Jesus Christ

 

Why?  Because to have a saving relationship with Jesus Christ, we have to repent.  What does repent mean?  It means to turn FROM the sinful, worldly lifestyle -- and turn, 180 degrees, to start following Jesus Christ.  A person CANNOT follow the world and still follow Jesus Christ at the same time.  So, the Episcopal bishop who is living an active homosexual lifestyle with his homosexual lover -- is NOT following Jesus Christ.  He is a phony Christian.

 

It is as simple as that.  And, this is confirmed in Leviticus 18:22, 20:13, in Romans 1:26-27, in 1 Timothy 1:8-10, and in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10.

 

Some will erroneously declare that Jesus Christ never spoke against homosexuality.   Not true.  Jesus Christ is God, the Bible is God's Written Word.  Therefore, when the Bible speaks against homosexuality -- that is Jesus Christ speaking against homosexuality.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Originally Posted by I am the Fireman:

Of course athiest don't believe anything a Christian says. Why would they? If you believe that the Bible is just a book and NOT the word that God himself inspired then not only are you lost spiritually but you are lost mentally. Your view of life in general is a vapor that will some day flash before your eyes and you'll wonder how you got so mislead your whole life. If I am being mislead by believing in Jesus Christ then when I die I'll have nothing to fear but on the other hand if you athiest are being mislead by your non-belief and you die and us crazy Christians are correct then you my dear friend have a lot to fear one second after you take your last breath here on this earth. Fear God and repent before it's to late.

If God inspired the Bible, he is an idiot.

Originally Posted by I am the Fireman:

Of course athiest don't believe anything a Christian says. Why would they? If you believe that the Bible is just a book and NOT the word that God himself inspired then not only are you lost spiritually but you are lost mentally. Your view of life in general is a vapor that will some day flash before your eyes and you'll wonder how you got so mislead your whole life. If I am being mislead by believing in Jesus Christ then when I die I'll have nothing to fear but on the other hand if you athiest are being mislead by your non-belief and you die and us crazy Christians are correct then you my dear friend have a lot to fear one second after you take your last breath here on this earth. Fear God and repent before it's to late.

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Ah. I see somebody watered the fireman this week...

 

The simplified version of Pascal's Wager mixed with some 'appeal to force' tactic thrown in for good measure. Ya hosehead. We all heard the threats of hell before. We don't believe in those either.

 

 

 

 

Why don’t you just be an atheist? If there is a god, and it is moral and loving and worthy of respect, then it won’t mind if people have rational doubts about it and rational reasons for not believing in it. This god won’t punish people for exercising their critical thinking skills and are skeptical of the claims of other, fallible humans. Thus, you wouldn’t lose anything.

And if there is a god who punishes people for rational doubt, why would you want to spend an eternity with it anyway? Such a capricious, egotistical, and nasty god wouldn’t be much fun. If you can’t trust it to be as moral as you are, you can’t trust it to keep its promises and make heaven nice or even let you stay for long. Not spending eternity with such a being doesn’t sound like much of a loss.

 

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But then it's really just easier to call us heathens 'mental', huh?

 

Silly Rabbi-Kix are for Trids.
 

Hi Vic and Rram,

 

The unforgivable sin, blaspheming the Holy Spirit -- is not speaking against God, Jesus Christ, or the Holy Spirit.  The unforgivable sin is to die while still denying God.  Why is this called blaspheming the Holy Spirit?  Because the Holy Spirit's function is two fold:  To indwell and guide, teach, convict the believer -- and to lead those who are not yet believers -- into the arms of Jesus Christ. 

 

So, when a person dies while still denying Christ -- he/she has ignored the Holy Spirit, denying Him the chance to do the task He was given -- to bring souls to saving grace in Jesus Christ.  By refusing to follow the calling of the Holy Spirit -- a person blasphemes Him.  And, if the person does this until he has breathed his last breath in this mortal body -- there is no forgiveness; for there is no second chance after this life to be saved.

 

That person has condemned himself/herself to eternal hell.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi Vic and Rram,

 

The unforgivable sin, blaspheming the Holy Spirit -- is not speaking against God, Jesus Christ, or the Holy Spirit.  The unforgivable sin is to die while still denying God.  Why is this called blaspheming the Holy Spirit?  Because the Holy Spirit's function is two fold:  To indwell and guide, teach, convict the believer -- and to lead those who are not yet believers -- into the arms of Jesus Christ. 

 So, when a person dies while still denying Christ -- he/she has ignored the Holy Spirit, denying Him the chance to do the task He was given -- to bring souls to saving grace in Jesus Christ.  By refusing to follow the calling of the Holy Spirit -- a person blasphemes Him.  And, if the person does this until he has breathed his last breath in this mortal body -- there is no forgiveness; for there is no second chance after this life to be saved.

 That person has condemned himself/herself to eternal hell.

 

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The real unforgivable sin is you tell this little story for the millionth

and one time. 

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Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

 

 So, when a person dies while still denying Christ -- he/she has ignored the Holy Spirit, denying Him the chance to do the task He was given -- to bring souls to saving grace in Jesus Christ.  By refusing to follow the calling of the Holy Spirit -- a person blasphemes Him. 

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What kind of monster would create this kind of ultimate test?

He created man so man would love Him.  He stays gone for at least 3000 years then dares His children to even think that he has abandoned them.  And if they so much as think that thought, these children are sent to burn in the fire that never sleeps.

What kind of morally depraved human would proudly support this kind of strategy?

Christians.  

Bill I’m concerned after your response trying a carom off the rail to intentionally go-round the truth to include unoi as a candidate for heaven after he intentionally, with malice of heart blasphemed the Holy Spirit thus dammming his soul for ever[ his words].

Bill did you [in accordance with COC interpretation] blaspheme the Holy Spirit perhaps during your tenure as a heathen?

I’ve never heard such a ****-a-maim interpretation of a transparent Biblical edict on behalf of a petitioner who dared God to allow him unhindered a trip to hell with such an incantesimo of words.

Originally Posted by Rramnlimnn_TheGreat:

Bill I’m concerned after your response trying a carom off the rail to intentionally go-round the truth to include unoi as a candidate for heaven after he intentionally, with malice of heart blasphemed the Holy Spirit thus dammming his soul for ever[ his words].

Bill did you [in accordance with COC interpretation] blaspheme the Holy Spirit perhaps during your tenure as a heathen?

I’ve never heard such a ****-a-maim interpretation of a transparent Biblical edict on behalf of a petitioner who dared God to allow him unhindered a trip to hell with such an incantesimo of words.


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Dude....Whaddya snort DRANO??

 

LMAO!

 

I mean I know them crystals is a pretty blue an' all but....C'MON man! That's GOTTA hurt!

Forgive the absence please because between yesterday evening and today I somehow got a nasty bug which has me not wanting to do anything but lie around and try to keep warm.  It started with the chills so needless to say I haven't been doing too much comments or been in a place to address some of the questions.  I know one question has to do with the "unpardonable" sin or blaspheme of the Holy Spirit.  I also realize that like many other spiritual topics there are different interpretations as to just what encompasses this sin.  It certainly deserves the greatest of gravity due to the consequences.

 

Two lines of thought I find are prevalent when one studies what is said here.  One line is that this is a sin of the tongue in that it is based upon a verbal statement we make.  Secondly others say that it is a matter of the heart, man/woman/s inner heart/conscience/mind  since this is from where the mouth speaks.  I tend to believe toward the latter and that it is from the heart that man speaks reflecting the spiritual condition of the heart and that it is a deliberate act on the part of the individual.

 

A superficial reading of the one passage regarding blaspheme of the Holy Spirit is found in Matthew12

Matthew 12:31-32 (NIV)
31 And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.
32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

To any Christian those words should be sobering for Christ ties this sin to carry through to the age to come.  Generally most theologians believe that this sin equates to rejection of Christ by not (or refusal) listening to the Holy Spirit of God which is the way (I believe) God opens man's Spiritual eyes revealing their need for salvation and enabling them to make that decision.  Additionally many theologians say that is has to do with attributing the Holy Spirit's work to Satin or demons.  Here one has to make the difference between the Godhead (Father/Son/Holy Spirit) for the sin is not tied to Jehovah God or to Jesus Christ but specifically to God the Holy Spirit which is how God relates unto each person.

 

Speaking personally, as from my on belief, I believe this is said because the Holy Spirit is how God relates to and ministers unto man/woman.  This then restricts the sin to the relationship between God's Holy Spirit and man himself.  By saying that you can speak a word against Christ and it can be forgiven but against the Holy Spirit becomes blaspheme.  This, I believe, goes to the intimate relationship between God's Holy Spirit and man's inner heart/spirit/soul/mind.  At this point, at least with how I'm feeling at this point, I'm not comfortable making a dogmatic statement that someone condemns themselves by actually speaking words against the Holy Spirit or if it is more an act of the words revealing an inner condition state whereby mans core heart state is corrupt.

 

I am comfortable stating that when man denies or rejects God's conviction by His Holy Spirit then there is nothing on his own that man can do to obtain forgiveness or salvation.  The act of Salvation and bestowing the Holy Spirit upon the believer is an act by God's Holy Spirit.  Rejection of the Holy Spirit therefore leaves man with no hope for salvation.  We read that the Bible says man will stand before God to answer for our sins and we know that Christ Blood was shed to atone for those same sins but by saying there is no forgiveness for blaspheme adds great weight to actually understanding just what does this sin encompass. 

 

In short I would like to do more study myself and view the verse in the context and setting of when Christ Spoke it and then formulate an opinion on just what this sin is.  As for Bills statement above we do know that to reject Christ is to place us and all our sins before God without an advocate on our part.  Placing our sins and all under Christ Blood we trust that the sufficiency of Christ will cover all our sins regardless of what they are.  I would also think that the unpardonable sin would be one of choice rather than accident.  I think this is a choice made by an individual rather than something they did by accident where they didn't know they did it.  As for if one of our Forum Members was guilty of such I cannot or will not make that judgment myself for I am not capable of that decision but I would be fearful of anything said regarding the Holy Spirit's work that could be considered blaspheme or equating the work of God's Holy Spirit unto Satan. 

 

 

Originally Posted by Rramnlimnn_TheGreat:

GB what if a dude blasphemes against the Holy Spirit like unoi did? Where will he go?

Honestly I don't know for I don't feel comfortable making that kind of decision regarding another individual.  I can justify making that decision based upon my own actions but I do not have that kind of insight to make that kind of pronouncement for another individual.  I do think Blaspheme of the Holy Spirit is a sin that goes directly to the intent of the specific persons heart (so to say) and as humans it is impossible for us to know the intent of a persons heart when something is said.  If a strict fundamental definition is used then one could conclude that speaking words against the Holy Spirit would commit the sin but others would say that it would actually go to the intent of the heart at the time it was said. 

 

I really cant make that judgment myself or am not comfortable doing so but I would be very concerned if I had felt I personally violated that sin for being an unforgivable sin it certainly adds much weight to identifying it and not doing it.  I also think it is a deliberate thing and not something haphazard.  In other words the Ph****es knew Christ was casting out demons so they knew there was some force at work beyond human abilities.  They chose to ascribe the powers Christ was using to Satan rather than the Holy Spirit of God so I think it was certainly a clue to understanding the sin itself.   The distinction of just who Christ was physically or as flesh and blood verses just what power was behind his acts.  I really would like more time to think on this one.

Originally Posted by Unobtanium:

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

 

 So, when a person dies while still denying Christ -- he/she has ignored the Holy Spirit, denying Him the chance to do the task He was given -- to bring souls to saving grace in Jesus Christ.  By refusing to follow the calling of the Holy Spirit -- a person blasphemes Him. 

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What kind of monster would create this kind of ultimate test?

He created man so man would love Him.  He stays gone for at least 3000 years then dares His children to even think that he has abandoned them.  And if they so much as think that thought, these children are sent to burn in the fire that never sleeps.

What kind of morally depraved human would proudly support this kind of strategy?

Christians.  

I believe it is a grave mistake to attempt to understand God or attempt to understand God and His actions from the standpoint of Human Wisdom.  We, humans, look at things with respect to our own lives and existence where God is infinite and not confined by the physical or human limitations.  You mention 3000 years but we believe God is eternal (past/future) therefore time drops from the equation and no longer is valid.  In other words 3000 years to God is instantaneous.  When it comes to attempting to understand that which we cannot then it becomes a matter of Faith and if we limit ourselves to only that which we can understand and identify then we do ourselves a great detriment.

 

You attempt to classify God as a monster yet have not the slightest conception of what God could possibly be or who He is.  I remain amazed that God, being who He must be, would care enough to offer Himself a living sacrifice, on the cross to provide a atonement for all our sins.  I honestly believe that you are allowing anger or a human to stand between seeking God.  You are basing decisions about God on humans and human wisdom or that's what I believe you are doing.  You can fool your own self by claiming you know all the answers to how we got here or why we are here but ultimately it is faith you are exercising in that also.  Faith that you are correct and faith that there is not a judgment awaiting or a God after death.  Faith is not an answer but a means by which we go through life and cope with the unknowns and our own human limitations.  You can talk about Pascal's Wager all you want but ultimately each person will have to find their own answers to the questions they cannot avoid.  What happens after death?  Is there a God?  Is all this just an accident? 

Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
I can avoid your questions. No problem. You are delusional and ranting like Bill. Your elevator trulybdoesn't go to the top floor.

Sometimes Jimi you might consider an attempt to join in on a conversation rather than a frail attempt at trite remarks but then if you did it might reveal you are more superficial than what our expectations have come to expect.   One tidbit  for you to ponder though.   Insults or attempted insults are usually more effective if they come from an obviously equal or superior source.  Based upon past experience and examples neither seem to apply in your case. 

Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
I can avoid your questions. No problem. You are delusional and ranting like Bill. Your elevator trulybdoesn't go to the top floor.

 

Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
Whatever.


Actually I believe, given the exchange, that Touché would be more appropriate a response and that would also be in keeping with your short responses. Mind you that is NOT Touchy either but then you already knew that.

 

Given I'm not really back to complete health right now though I do find myself at a distinct  disadvantage, in the retort, but then given that I'm not trying to exchange in insults, nor that I care to think about it too much, right now,I will say I'm not as incisive yesterday and today.    

 

"Whatever" that's a pretty good one though,  Congratulations!   I'm sure Rramm will have some constructive suggestive critiques for you, though, so to help you formulate a more expansive response given the obvious vastly superior intellect you tend to indicate you have in relation to us simple Christians.. 

Have you ever watched Judge Judy on TV? I can’t stand to watch that show anymore because she is going to run her courtroom the way she sees fit and that’s it. You don’t argue with Judge Judy. If you don’t like it that’s tough. Have you ever driven down the road doing 55 mph in a 45 mph speed zone and a policeman pulls you over and writes you one of those tickets that just makes your day? You are so angry at the policeman and you swear to take it to court because you just know you can win the case but later on you realize that you were wrong and just go ahead and pay the ticket or go to driving school. Maybe you’ve taken your case to court and stood before a judge and maybe you’ve even won your court case or maybe you lost. In any case my friend the judge is going to look at the law and he/she will decide your fine or punishment depending on the law.

The judges that make their decisions are binding by the law and you’ll pay the fine or you’ll go to jail.

God will some day judge us all in this same manner. We will stand before a perfect judge, He will judge each of us according to His perfect will, he will open the Book of Life and if your name is not written in it then you will be sent to hell. If you reject God here on this earth He doesn’t care if you like it or not. You can stand before God and argue all you like that it’s not fair and it want matter. You have been rightly judged as a sinner that rejected God’s free gift in Jesus Christ that came to this earth and died for every sinner. So, here on this earth you have to make a choice. Your choice will send you to Heaven or Hell. There is no third option. You can call God a monster, unfair, blaspheme his name, call him unjust and an idiot but be assured that some day EVERY knee will bow before Him and EVERY tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. It would be better if you did it now before your last breath rather than on your judgment day. You still have time now. There are no second chances.

 

Thomas Wayne, love thy neighbor is why I care.

Originally Posted by I am the Fireman:

Have you ever watched Judge Judy on TV? I can’t stand to watch that show anymore because she is going to run her courtroom the way she sees fit and that’s it. You don’t argue with Judge Judy. If you don’t like it that’s tough. Have you ever driven down the road doing 55 mph in a 45 mph speed zone and a policeman pulls you over and writes you one of those tickets that just makes your day? You are so angry at the policeman and you swear to take it to court because you just know you can win the case but later on you realize that you were wrong and just go ahead and pay the ticket or go to driving school. Maybe you’ve taken your case to court and stood before a judge and maybe you’ve even won your court case or maybe you lost. In any case my friend the judge is going to look at the law and he/she will decide your fine or punishment depending on the law.

The judges that make their decisions are binding by the law and you’ll pay the fine or you’ll go to jail.

God will some day judge us all in this same manner. We will stand before a perfect judge, He will judge each of us according to His perfect will, he will open the Book of Life and if your name is not written in it then you will be sent to hell. If you reject God here on this earth He doesn’t care if you like it or not. You can stand before God and argue all you like that it’s not fair and it want matter. You have been rightly judged as a sinner that rejected God’s free gift in Jesus Christ that came to this earth and died for every sinner. So, here on this earth you have to make a choice. Your choice will send you to Heaven or Hell. There is no third option. You can call God a monster, unfair, blaspheme his name, call him unjust and an idiot but be assured that some day EVERY knee will bow before Him and EVERY tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. It would be better if you did it now before your last breath rather than on your judgment day. You still have time now. There are no second chances.

 

Thomas Wayne, love thy neighbor is why I care.

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Are you high?

 

Judge Judy rocks.

 

Here is the thing. YOUR bible says its a sin. YOUR bible says homosexuals are going to hell. So I suggest that YOU not participate in any homosexual practices. Otherwise stay out of everyone elses business.

 

If you truly believe in your god then why not let him judge when ever the great rapture/judgement day happens? Isn't that HIS job?

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