Hooray for Paul Harvey!

AMEN

Just like 90% of everything you receive in your e-mail from crazy people who don't validate the misinformation they spread this is a urban legend. Paul Harvey didn't write it and it will probably be circulating around 50 years from now because of you people who like to email 175 of your closest friends 4 times a week with random meaningless unverified forwards as opposed to sending actual personalized correspondence.

Is he never gonna retire???

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Originally posted by Phoenix Rising:
Just like 90% of everything you receive in your e-mail from crazy people who don't validate the misinformation they spread this is a urban legend. Paul Harvey didn't write it and it will probably be circulating around 50 years from now because of you people who like to email 175 of your closest friends 4 times a week with random meaningless unverified forwards as opposed to sending actual personalized correspondence.

Regardless of "who" said it, it is still a great statement made by somebody and should be passed along.

I agree the forwarding of useless crap is out of hand!

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/prayer.asp

Old, been around the globe and back 50 times...again why can't people claim their own stuff instead of sticking Paul Harvey's name on it? Also..if you have every listened to the man you would know right away that he is not the author. and the bit at the bottom..'and that's the rest of the story'..bologny! Paul always says "So now you know ....the rest of the story." and it is after his special segment where he tells a little known story about a famous persons past...thus it wouldn't apply in this rant.

What possible difference does it make who said
it. It is a wonderful message. I for one missed
it and I am glad it was posted.

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What possible difference does it make who said
it.

If it doesn't make a difference why attribute the writing to the actual writer and not Paul Harvey who didn't have anything to do with it? I don't really care what the statement reads or whether or not I agree - it simply shouldn't be spread in this manner.

i also don't care who wrote it, i share in their belief...AMEN.

Wow, I guess you don't have to go to church to find legalism. No matter who said it, it's a great message, but we tend to miss the point because we get wrapped up the parts that don't matter.

Ummm...guys I think the whole point to the speech was missed. It is not about who said it, wrote it, or did not write it. The point is in the message it sends. The rights of the people who believe in God are being revoked, because of nonbelievers and that is not right! Don't dwell on who said it, concentrate on what is mentioned...

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Originally posted by HAMMERSGIRL06:
What possible difference does it make who said
it. It is a wonderful message. I for one missed
it and I am glad it was posted.

The difference is a lot of people would have passed the post by if it hadn't said "Hooray for Paul Harvey" as a title.

"Hooray for an anonymous liar" doesn't have the same ring to it...

That is what I don't understand. Why everyone says it is a good message and needs to be passed on...it doesn't matter who wrote it.. sure it does! I can see where there a good points to the message. But the person who wrote it is passing it off as being Paul Harvey's doing...that is wrong and a LIE! So basically you are saying if the message is good...it is ok to lie. Sounds pretty Hypocritical to me.

Ya know people, paul harvey could have said it a long time ago. Who knows. The other versions could be lies. Ever thought of that?
Anyways, it really is not about who said it. The message needs to be spread around. This is the what our world is coming to and it is sad. We would rather sit here in this forum and complain about who said it than actually doing something about it.
Us as a nation put up with others religions. We allow it and this nation will suffer for that. You cannot pray in school. Its offensive to pray at a football game. Its truly sad.
God forbid we go to another country and pray to OUR God and not theirs. We could be killed for our beliefs in another country, yet we allow them to US that we are offending them because we are praying to our Lord and savior? Give me a break. If you dont like it, go home. Go to another country that worships that god. Stop telling us we are offensive. Let us worship who we want.
Wanna know something? This country is based on the religion in the Bible, so ACTUALLY, you others are offending us Christians!
Oh and done even let me get started on the Ho Ho Ho thing!

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Originally posted by MrsMRog:
Ummm...guys I think the whole point to the speech was missed. It is not about who said it, wrote it, or did not write it. The point is in the message it sends. The rights of the people who believe in God are being revoked, because of nonbelievers and that is not right! Don't dwell on who said it, concentrate on what is mentioned...

Balderdash! None of the rights to which the people are entitled under the Constitution are being revoked or compromised by laws and related practices that respect both the Constitution and the laws of the land. The utterance of public prayers under the auspices of some agent of civil government--and MOST ESPECIALLY the utterance of public prayers devised and promulgated by public school authorities--is not in any way a "right" of the people of this nation. It is my right, contrariwise, to expect that civil government will keep its nose and its prayers OUT of that which is purely my business. The un-Paul Harvey who wrote that piece seems to have the notion that the prevailing majoritarian religious sentiment of a community is entitled to deference relative to the content of public prayers offered at school or other civic functions. Well, folks, under the Constitution of this nation, it just does NOT work that way--not legally, that is. It is not an innocuous matter to allow the prevailing community preference in religion to dictate the content of a prayer uttered in a public assembly convened by the government of that community. That does, in fact, constitute governmental endorsement of an establishment of religion. And to those who would object to that statement on grounds that an "establishment of religion" would have to be a state-sponsored religious denomination of some kind, I can only say that you have got your blinders cinched up so narrow that you are suffering from tunnel vision of the most acute form.

Not only does the U.S. Constitution prohibit governmentally-devised and prescribed prayer; the Constitution of Alabama also does. And bear in mind that this element of the state's constitution was last revised in 1901, well before the litigation in the 1960s that allegedly "kicked prayer out of the public schools." We are talking here about the constitution of an historically conservative state, with widespread respect for religion and with a predomionantly Christian populace. That constitution, in Section 3 (Religious Freedom)says, in pertinent part:

"That no religion shall be established by law; that no preference shall be given by law to any religious sect, society, denomination, OR MODE OF WORSHIP...." (EMPHASIS ADDED)

When I hear a public prayer uttered by an official of a public school system or an officer of government or his/her selected delegee in a public school or public governmental meeting, I am in all likelihood hearing a prayer that violates Section 3 of the Constitution of Alabama. It is about 100% inevitable that any such prayer, however "simple" it might be, will be colored by some form of denominational or sectarian or theological bias that is contrary to the beliefs of some element of the citizenry and/or--as to the public schools--to beliefs of some subset of the the student population and their parents or legal guardians.

You might contend that when you were in school the Bible was read every day in the public schools and prayers were said and nobody objected. That, my friend, proves nothing other than that a majority dictated and controlled those activities and got away with it. It in no way validates such activities as constitutional.

By way of clarification, I am a conservative, church-twice-on-Sunday-and-once-in-the-middle of-the-week Christian and I want the gummint to be the gummint and the church to be the church.

amendment 1

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances

I believe my rights are being stepped on when I am told when and where I can speak of or pray to God.

From TootsieRoll:

quote:

God forbid we go to another country and pray to OUR God and not theirs. We could be killed for our beliefs in another country, yet we allow them to US that we are offending them because we are praying to our Lord and savior? Give me a break. If you dont like it, go home. Go to another country that worships that god. Stop telling us we are offensive. Let us worship who we want.

Guess what, you little cylindrical candy bar?? You are, in this free land, fully entitled to worship who you want. You are at liberty to worship anything or anyone from Jehovah God Almighty to a pile of rocks and sticks. The Constitution of the United States fully protects your right to worship any object of your desire, whether in the spirit realm or some animal, mineral or vegetable or your choice. You can pray to the Tennessee River if you wish or light up a burnt offering of bullock fat to Moloch or Dagon. And nobody will stop you from doing any of these things in the name of your particular faith.

But, listen up, Tootsie. Do not try to tell ME or others than yourself how we ought to worship and, most especially, do not tell me that it is somehow incumbent on me or on any other citizen to be involuntarily submitted to a prayer uttered in a public school assembly or a meeting of a governmental body and crafted by some agent of civil government. THAT is unconstitutional, as confirmed by the highest court of the land.

When some agent of the gummint tells YOU that in your private devotions or in the assembly of whatever sect, denomination, or cult you adhere to, you are obligated to follow some dictate of that gummint, then come to me and I will defend you against that kind of encroachment. But do not try to sell me on the notion that a public prayer, crafted by an agent of the civil gummint, and said to your Lord and Saviour or to any other Deity, is an appropriate utterance to be made in a governmental assembly in this United States of America. It doesn't work that way in these United States of America!

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Originally posted by 2_each_its_own:
amendment 1

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances

I believe my rights are being stepped on when I am told when and where I can speak of or pray to God.

Tell me, then...
If the "rights" of a Buddhist, Muslim, Shintoist, Hindu or Scientologist are equal to your rights, is it permissible for a representative of one or the other of those to enter a public school attended by your children and to lead prayers or perform other devotions according to the tenets of his faith and for your children to be required to attend an assembly where that is done? Would such a person's rights be offended if he were told that he could not do those things? Would it be legitimate for him to complain that no one should tell him "when and where I can speak of or pray to God"?

You have taken a rather absolutist view of things, now haven't you?

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Originally posted by beternU:

quote:

Originally posted by 2_each_its_own:
amendment 1

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances

I believe my rights are being stepped on when I am told when and where I can speak of or pray to God.

Tell me, then...
If the "rights" of a Buddhist, Muslim, Shintoist, Hindu or Scientologist are equal to your rights, is it permissible for a representative of one or the other of those to enter a public school attended by your children and to lead prayers or perform other devotions according to the tenets of his faith and for your children to be required to attend an assembly where that is done? Would such a person's rights be offended if he were told that he could not do those things? Would it be legitimate for him to complain that no one should tell him "when and where I can speak of or pray to God"?

You have taken a rather absolutist view of things, now haven't you?

my personal opinion yes I think anyone should have a right to speak about what they believe. whoever wants to participate go for if they dont thats all good to. We shouldnt be told we cant.

Burnt sacrifices to Dagon and Moloch were usually babies and small children

From 2_each_its_own:

[QUOTE}I believe my rights are being stepped on when I am told when and where I can speak of or pray to God.[/QUOTE]

from BeternU:

quote:

Tell me, then...
If the "rights" of a Buddhist, Muslim, Shintoist, Hindu or Scientologist are equal to your rights, is it permissible for a representative of one or the other of those to enter a public school attended by your children and to lead prayers or perform other devotions according to the tenets of his faith and for your children to be required to attend an assembly where that is done? Would such a person's rights be offended if he were told that he could not do those things? Would it be legitimate for him to complain that no one should tell him "when and where I can speak of or pray to God"?[QUOTE]

And now, astonishingly (!) the clueless 2_each_its_own replies:

[QUOTE}my personal opinion yes I think anyone should have a right to speak about what they believe. whoever wants to participate go for if they dont thats all good to. We shouldnt be told we cant.

You are apparently as dense as depleted uranium. Try this, then. I will send a cohort of voodoo witches over to your place tomorrow. They insist on their right to do their voodoo whenever and wherever they please and they greatly desire to sacrifice some chickens on your front porch. Since they have the same rights that you do, you should therefore defer to their wishes and allow them to proceed with their plans. Surely you would not try to tell these sincere voodoists "where [they] can speak of or pray to God" in their own peculiar way.

Good grief, 2_each, can you not see that the difference between government leaving you alone in your beliefs versus government becoming an agent for the visitation upon you or your children of beliefs that you do not endorse?

I fear for this country if your kind of fuzzified thinking gets any more prevalent than it apparently already is!

quote:

Originally posted by beternU:
From TootsieRoll:

quote:

God forbid we go to another country and pray to OUR God and not theirs. We could be killed for our beliefs in another country, yet we allow them to US that we are offending them because we are praying to our Lord and savior? Give me a break. If you dont like it, go home. Go to another country that worships that god. Stop telling us we are offensive. Let us worship who we want.

Guess what, you little cylindrical candy bar?? You are, in this free land, fully entitled to worship who you want. You are at liberty to worship anything or anyone from Jehovah God Almighty to a pile of rocks and sticks. The Constitution of the United States fully protects your right to worship any object of your desire, whether in the spirit realm or some animal, mineral or vegetable or your choice. You can pray to the Tennessee River if you wish or light up a burnt offering of bullock fat to Moloch or Dagon. And nobody will stop you from doing any of these things in the name of your particular faith.

But, listen up, Tootsie. Do not try to tell ME or others than yourself how we ought to worship and, most especially, do not tell me that it is somehow incumbent on me or on any other citizen to be involuntarily submitted to a prayer uttered in a public school assembly or a meeting of a governmental body and crafted by some agent of civil government. THAT is unconstitutional, as confirmed by the highest court of the land.

When some agent of the gummint tells YOU that in your private devotions or in the assembly of whatever sect, denomination, or cult you adhere to, you are obligated to follow some dictate of that gummint, then come to me and I will defend you against that kind of encroachment. But do not try to sell me on the notion that a public prayer, crafted by an agent of the civil gummint, and said to your Lord and Saviour or to any other Deity, is an appropriate utterance to be made in a governmental assembly in this United States of America. It doesn't work that way in these United States of America!

Dont Call me names. Thats about as childish as it can get and I bet you a dollar I am younger than you. I dont appreciate being called names and I wont do it to anyone on here because that is about the most childish and immature thing you can do to anyone. Just because you dont agree with me doesnt mean you can call me stupid childish names. How would you feel?
Anyways about what you said. We are in a free nation and I believe you can worship ANY ONE, THING, ITEM, you want. Your right we are free but what I am saying is I dont think it is fair that people of other religions other than Christianity say we are offensive for praying at a public function.
How the pledge of alligence has to be altered because God's name is in it. It is a sad thing and I want a family one day but I dont want to raise a child to believe that they have to be hush hush about worshiping the Lord and Savior. You believe what you want to believe. I have a friend that is Athiest but she doesn't get pissed when we pray at a football game. some people take things to heart and I believe you are one of them. We have a right just as everyone else.
What I am saying is IF you get pissed because we pray to God, then get over it. We wouldnt get mad if you prayed to Allah or whoever you believe in. We change things because is pisses off people like you when we say God in the plegde or in school. I never meant to offend, I just think we shouldnt change ANYTHING for anyone. We dont make other people change their beliefs and I dont think other religions should make us christians.
Sorry you are mad at me but dont ever call me names again. I dont appreciate it and I dont think you would either.

quote:

Originally posted by Howard Roark:
Burnt sacrifices to Dagon and Moloch were usually babies and small children

I had in mind the "Reformed Molochites" and the "Latter Day Disciples of Dagon," whose choices for sacrifice are now more humane and more politically correct.

it that how you reason calling names?

fyi you can send over those people with their voodoo dolls and stick all the needles in their dolls that they want and sacrifice their chickens as long as they leave my chickens alone, for I will sing my praises to jesus while they are poking their dolls, heck they can even join in if they wish, but I wouldnt force them to. so to each its own as long as its not hurting anyone physically. and for your name calling it dont bother me cause your words dont hurt me butI will just pray for you a better vocabulary. And the voodoo people can even make a doll in my image and poke it all they want as long as they dont touch the real me.

quote:

Originally posted by 2_each_its_own:
it that how you reason calling names?

fyi you can send over those people with their voodoo dolls and stick all the needles in their dolls that they want and sacrifice their chickens as long as they leave my chickens alone, for I will sing my praises to jesus while they are poking their dolls, heck they can even join in if they wish, but I wouldnt force them to. so to each its own as long as its not hurting anyone physically. and for your name calling it dont bother me cause your words dont hurt me butI will just pray for you a better vocabulary. And the voodoo people can even make a doll in my image and poke it all they want as long as they dont touch the real me.

His words dont hurt me either, in the case that I wont lose sleep over it but I cannot stand being called names. It is very immature and hurtful. People kill themselves over less so I just wont stand for being called names. I will also pray for beternU. They really need it and I pray God works in their life.
Thank you for saying something about the name calling. I appreciate it.

BeternU

voodoo dollheres even a website you can go do your voodoo on. poke away

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Originally posted by TootsieRoll:

quote:

Originally posted by 2_each_its_own:
it that how you reason calling names?

fyi you can send over those people with their voodoo dolls and stick all the needles in their dolls that they want and sacrifice their chickens as long as they leave my chickens alone, for I will sing my praises to jesus while they are poking their dolls, heck they can even join in if they wish, but I wouldnt force them to. so to each its own as long as its not hurting anyone physically. and for your name calling it dont bother me cause your words dont hurt me butI will just pray for you a better vocabulary. And the voodoo people can even make a doll in my image and poke it all they want as long as they dont touch the real me.

His words dont hurt me either, in the case that I wont lose sleep over it but I cannot stand being called names. It is very immature and hurtful. People kill themselves over less so I just wont stand for being called names. I will also pray for beternU. They really need it and I pray God works in their life.
Thank you for saying something about the name calling. I appreciate it.

quote:

Originally posted by TootsieRoll:

quote:

Originally posted by beternU:
From TootsieRoll:

quote:

God forbid we go to another country and pray to OUR God and not theirs. We could be killed for our beliefs in another country, yet we allow them to US that we are offending them because we are praying to our Lord and savior? Give me a break. If you dont like it, go home. Go to another country that worships that god. Stop telling us we are offensive. Let us worship who we want.

Guess what, you little cylindrical candy bar?? You are, in this free land, fully entitled to worship who you want. You are at liberty to worship anything or anyone from Jehovah God Almighty to a pile of rocks and sticks. The Constitution of the United States fully protects your right to worship any object of your desire, whether in the spirit realm or some animal, mineral or vegetable or your choice. You can pray to the Tennessee River if you wish or light up a burnt offering of bullock fat to Moloch or Dagon. And nobody will stop you from doing any of these things in the name of your particular faith.

But, listen up, Tootsie. Do not try to tell ME or others than yourself how we ought to worship and, most especially, do not tell me that it is somehow incumbent on me or on any other citizen to be involuntarily submitted to a prayer uttered in a public school assembly or a meeting of a governmental body and crafted by some agent of civil government. THAT is unconstitutional, as confirmed by the highest court of the land.

When some agent of the gummint tells YOU that in your private devotions or in the assembly of whatever sect, denomination, or cult you adhere to, you are obligated to follow some dictate of that gummint, then come to me and I will defend you against that kind of encroachment. But do not try to sell me on the notion that a public prayer, crafted by an agent of the civil gummint, and said to your Lord and Saviour or to any other Deity, is an appropriate utterance to be made in a governmental assembly in this United States of America. It doesn't work that way in these United States of America!

Dont Call me names. Thats about as childish as it can get and I bet you a dollar I am younger than you. I dont appreciate being called names and I wont do it to anyone on here because that is about the most childish and immature thing you can do to anyone. Just because you dont agree with me doesnt mean you can call me stupid childish names. How would you feel?
Anyways about what you said. We are in a free nation and I believe you can worship ANY ONE, THING, ITEM, you want. Your right we are free but what I am saying is I dont think it is fair that people of other religions other than Christianity say we are offensive for praying at a public function.
How the pledge of alligence has to be altered because God's name is in it. It is a sad thing and I want a family one day but I dont want to raise a child to believe that they have to be hush hush about worshiping the Lord and Savior. You believe what you want to believe. I have a friend that is Athiest but she doesn't get pissed when we pray at a football game. some people take things to heart and I believe you are one of them. We have a right just as everyone else.
What I am saying is IF you get pissed because we pray to God, then get over it. We wouldnt get mad if you prayed to Allah or whoever you believe in. We change things because is pisses off people like you when we say God in the plegde or in school. I never meant to offend, I just think we shouldnt change ANYTHING for anyone. We dont make other people change their beliefs and I dont think other religions should make us christians.
Sorry you are mad at me but dont ever call me names again. I dont appreciate it and I dont think you would either.

Hey, Tootsie, I did not call you by any "name." You chose TootsieRoll as your nickNAME and I merely described that which is embodied in the very nickNAME you chose.

And I might add that you yourself have ventured rather deeply into the realm of the offensive in your repeated use of the vulgar and coarse urinary term you use to describe the degree of dissatisfaction you find in what I have posted here.

If you want to produce children one day and "dont want to raise a child to believe that they have to be hush hush about worshiping the Lord and Savior," then give them every opportunity to worship God and Jesus Christ in your home, in your church, in your automobile, in the homes of your willing friends, in some tent meeting down by the river, or anywhere else where you and your children and those of like faith can enjoy communion with things Divine without co-opting into your devotions any unwilling persons--children or adult--who do not share your particular penchant for things of the spirit.

And please try to clean up your vocabulary when you rise in purported defense of the free exercise clause of the First Amendment. However commonplace the term "p*** off" might have become, it remains, nevertheless, vulgar and unsuitable for polite company. I certainly hope you do not expose those anticipated children to such vile verbalization.

quote:

Originally posted by 2_each_its_own:
it that how you reason calling names?

fyi you can send over those people with their voodoo dolls and stick all the needles in their dolls that they want and sacrifice their chickens as long as they leave my chickens alone, for I will sing my praises to jesus while they are poking their dolls, heck they can even join in if they wish, but I wouldnt force them to. so to each its own as long as its not hurting anyone physically. and for your name calling it dont bother me cause your words dont hurt me butI will just pray for you a better vocabulary. And the voodoo people can even make a doll in my image and poke it all they want as long as they dont touch the real me.

And I will offer up a prayer or two in the interest of YOUR vocabulary. I will make a special petition for some apostrophes, since you seem not to have yet discovered that useful punctuation mark. I will ask Jesus to forgive your disrespect in failing to capitalize His name.

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Originally posted by beternU:

quote:

Originally posted by TootsieRoll:

quote:

Originally posted by beternU:
From TootsieRoll:

quote:

God forbid we go to another country and pray to OUR God and not theirs. We could be killed for our beliefs in another country, yet we allow them to US that we are offending them because we are praying to our Lord and savior? Give me a break. If you dont like it, go home. Go to another country that worships that god. Stop telling us we are offensive. Let us worship who we want.

Guess what, you little cylindrical candy bar?? You are, in this free land, fully entitled to worship who you want. You are at liberty to worship anything or anyone from Jehovah God Almighty to a pile of rocks and sticks. The Constitution of the United States fully protects your right to worship any object of your desire, whether in the spirit realm or some animal, mineral or vegetable or your choice. You can pray to the Tennessee River if you wish or light up a burnt offering of bullock fat to Moloch or Dagon. And nobody will stop you from doing any of these things in the name of your particular faith.

But, listen up, Tootsie. Do not try to tell ME or others than yourself how we ought to worship and, most especially, do not tell me that it is somehow incumbent on me or on any other citizen to be involuntarily submitted to a prayer uttered in a public school assembly or a meeting of a governmental body and crafted by some agent of civil government. THAT is unconstitutional, as confirmed by the highest court of the land.

When some agent of the gummint tells YOU that in your private devotions or in the assembly of whatever sect, denomination, or cult you adhere to, you are obligated to follow some dictate of that gummint, then come to me and I will defend you against that kind of encroachment. But do not try to sell me on the notion that a public prayer, crafted by an agent of the civil gummint, and said to your Lord and Saviour or to any other Deity, is an appropriate utterance to be made in a governmental assembly in this United States of America. It doesn't work that way in these United States of America!

Dont Call me names. Thats about as childish as it can get and I bet you a dollar I am younger than you. I dont appreciate being called names and I wont do it to anyone on here because that is about the most childish and immature thing you can do to anyone. Just because you dont agree with me doesnt mean you can call me stupid childish names. How would you feel?
Anyways about what you said. We are in a free nation and I believe you can worship ANY ONE, THING, ITEM, you want. Your right we are free but what I am saying is I dont think it is fair that people of other religions other than Christianity say we are offensive for praying at a public function.
How the pledge of alligence has to be altered because God's name is in it. It is a sad thing and I want a family one day but I dont want to raise a child to believe that they have to be hush hush about worshiping the Lord and Savior. You believe what you want to believe. I have a friend that is Athiest but she doesn't get pissed when we pray at a football game. some people take things to heart and I believe you are one of them. We have a right just as everyone else.
What I am saying is IF you get pissed because we pray to God, then get over it. We wouldnt get mad if you prayed to Allah or whoever you believe in. We change things because is pisses off people like you when we say God in the plegde or in school. I never meant to offend, I just think we shouldnt change ANYTHING for anyone. We dont make other people change their beliefs and I dont think other religions should make us christians.
Sorry you are mad at me but dont ever call me names again. I dont appreciate it and I dont think you would either.

Hey, Tootsie, I did not call you by any "name." You chose TootsieRoll as your nickNAME and I merely described that which is embodied in the very nickNAME you chose.

And I might add that you yourself have ventured rather deeply into the realm of the offensive in your repeated use of the vulgar and coarse urinary term you use to describe the degree of dissatisfaction you find in what I have posted here.

If you want to produce children one day and "dont want to raise a child to believe that they have to be hush hush about worshiping the Lord and Savior," then give them every opportunity to worship God and Jesus Christ in your home, in your church, in your automobile, in the homes of your willing friends, in some tent meeting down by the river, or anywhere else where you and your children and those of like faith can enjoy communion with things Divine without co-opting into your devotions any unwilling persons--children or adult--who do not share your particular penchant for things of the spirit.

And please try to clean up your vocabulary when you rise in purported defense of the free exercise clause of the First Amendment. However commonplace the term "p*** off" might have become, it remains, nevertheless, vulgar and unsuitable for polite company. I certainly hope you do not expose those anticipated children to such vile verbalization.

I believe you called me a cynical candy bar? Um yea thats right, you did. I mean come on. That OFFENDS me. If you cannot call me by a name I specify, then dont talk to me. That is name calling. I mean how old are you? You take things to heart and I really do pray for you. And if you have children, I'll pray for them to for having a parent who is so sour about life in general and I hope they will have better raising than what you show in this forum. I have better things to do than stay in a stupid argument with you. It's childish. I have already apologized 4 maybe offending you, but you have offended me as well but I am not one of these people who is gonna sue you over it. I am sorry and I will pray for you and your name calling. May God Bless You in every way and I hope one day, you will understand.

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Originally posted by beternU:

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Originally posted by 2_each_its_own:
it that how you reason calling names?

fyi you can send over those people with their voodoo dolls and stick all the needles in their dolls that they want and sacrifice their chickens as long as they leave my chickens alone, for I will sing my praises to jesus while they are poking their dolls, heck they can even join in if they wish, but I wouldnt force them to. so to each its own as long as its not hurting anyone physically. and for your name calling it dont bother me cause your words dont hurt me butI will just pray for you a better vocabulary. And the voodoo people can even make a doll in my image and poke it all they want as long as they dont touch the real me.

And I will offer up a prayer or two in the interest of YOUR vocabulary. I will make a special petition for some apostrophes, since you seem not to have yet discovered that useful punctuation mark. I will ask Jesus to forgive your disrespect in failing to capitalize His name.

I'm sure Jesus will forgive me,and I appreciate any prayers I can get. I will also pray for God to give you the knowledge to speak to people appropriately and to learn some manners.

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Originally posted by 2_each_its_own:

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Originally posted by beternU:

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Originally posted by 2_each_its_own:
it that how you reason calling names?

fyi you can send over those people with their voodoo dolls and stick all the needles in their dolls that they want and sacrifice their chickens as long as they leave my chickens alone, for I will sing my praises to jesus while they are poking their dolls, heck they can even join in if they wish, but I wouldnt force them to. so to each its own as long as its not hurting anyone physically. and for your name calling it dont bother me cause your words dont hurt me butI will just pray for you a better vocabulary. And the voodoo people can even make a doll in my image and poke it all they want as long as they dont touch the real me.

And I will offer up a prayer or two in the interest of YOUR vocabulary. I will make a special petition for some apostrophes, since you seem not to have yet discovered that useful punctuation mark. I will ask Jesus to forgive your disrespect in failing to capitalize His name.

I'm sure Jesus will forgive me,and I appreciate any prayers I can get. I will also pray for God to give you the knowledge to speak to people appropriately and to learn some manners.

It is not a matter of manners, 2_each. This is not a tea party here; it is a wide-open forum of the marketplace of ideas, where the repartee might get mildly acerbic from time to time. That is just the way it is. If you can't run with the big dogs, then stay up there on the porch in your padded glider.

First of all I dont run with the big dogs cause i'm not a dog.

I run with smart nice respectful people. oh and I don't have a

padded glider either, I have a porch swing, but it does sound

to me that you might need a padded cell.

TootsieRoll writes:

[QUOTE]I believe you called me a cynical candy bar? Um yea thats right, you did. I mean come on. That OFFENDS me. If you cannot call me by a name I specify, then dont talk to me. That is name calling. I mean how old are you? You take things to heart and I really do pray for you. And if you have children, I'll pray for them to for having a parent who is so sour about life in general and I hope they will have better raising than what you show in this forum. I have better things to do than stay in a stupid argument with you. It's childish. I have already apologized 4 maybe offending you, but you have offended me as well but I am not one of these people who is gonna sue you over it. I am sorry and I will pray for you and your name calling. May God Bless You in every way and I hope one day, you will understand.[QUOTE]

What I DO understand, TootsiePerson, is the difference between "cylindrical" and "cynical." Regrettably, you seem not to have distinguished between the two. I in no way wish to accuse you of being "cynical," and if you will review the history of our series of love notes, you will discover that I never ever used that term. I would point out, however, that the actual shape of a Tootsie roll IS, in fact, CYLINDRICAL, and that is the term I used to describe the entity that you yourself chose to identify yourself with, enrolling the name of that famous Mars Company candy bar as your very own forum nickname.

Although I continue to consider you to be relatively dense--considerably more so than a Tootsie Roll--I have never credited you with enough sophistication to muster up much in the way of cynicism. As to the actual configuration of your personal anatomy--whether cylindrical, spherical, pretzeloid or otherwise formed and shaped, I would not hazard even a guess!

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Originally posted by 2_each_its_own:
First of all I dont run with the big dogs cause i'm not a dog.

I run with smart nice respectful people. oh and I don't have a

padded glider either, I have a porch swing, but it does sound

to me that you might need a padded cell.

I will advise the voodoo contingent of the availability of the porch swing at your doublewide. They might wish to make use of it to rest from the labors of their sacrificial rituals.

My favorite are the people who believe it is wrong to say prayer in a public place, but ok to blow their cigarette smoke all over everyone in the same public place.

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Originally posted by beternU:
TootsieRoll writes:

[QUOTE]I believe you called me a cynical candy bar? Um yea thats right, you did. I mean come on. That OFFENDS me. If you cannot call me by a name I specify, then dont talk to me. That is name calling. I mean how old are you? You take things to heart and I really do pray for you. And if you have children, I'll pray for them to for having a parent who is so sour about life in general and I hope they will have better raising than what you show in this forum. I have better things to do than stay in a stupid argument with you. It's childish. I have already apologized 4 maybe offending you, but you have offended me as well but I am not one of these people who is gonna sue you over it. I am sorry and I will pray for you and your name calling. May God Bless You in every way and I hope one day, you will understand.[QUOTE]

What I DO understand, TootsiePerson, is the difference between "cylindrical" and "cynical." Regrettably, you seem not to have distinguished between the two. I in no way wish to accuse you of being "cynical," and if you will review the history of our series of love notes, you will discover that I never ever used that term. I would point out, however, that the actual shape of a Tootsie roll IS, in fact, CYLINDRICAL, and that is the term I used to describe the entity that you yourself chose to identify yourself with, enrolling the name of that famous Mars Company candy bar as your very own forum nickname.

Although I continue to consider you to be relatively dense--considerably more so than a Tootsie Roll--I have never credited you with enough sophistication to muster up much in the way of cynicism. As to the actual configuration of your personal anatomy--whether cylindrical, spherical, pretzeloid or otherwise formed and shaped, I would not hazard even a guess!

My Goodness, can you grow up, just a little? Please? If I got a word mixed up, sue me. Geeze. I most certainly am not dense. You dont know me so dont assume you know how intelligent I am. If you want to get into that, we can but I most certainly will not stand for you bad mouthing me and my intelligence. I am not calling tou names or saying you are dense. You act like a 15 years old trying your best to use big words (probably because you looked them up in a dictonary) to try and confuse me but you are mistaken. I understand every word. I am a very smart person. Dont you ever tell me I am dense. You do not know me. Until you do, do not judge me. I am not judging you. I never will until I actually meet you. Ya know. What is the point you are trying to make? All you are doing is making yourself look silly by trying to intimidate me. Dont call me names and do not act like you know how smart I am. That is a real insult to people. Maybe I should try and make you feel one inch tall and see how you like being treated that way.

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Originally posted by TootsieRoll:

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Originally posted by beternU:
TootsieRoll writes:

[QUOTE]I believe you called me a cynical candy bar? Um yea thats right, you did. I mean come on. That OFFENDS me. If you cannot call me by a name I specify, then dont talk to me. That is name calling. I mean how old are you? You take things to heart and I really do pray for you. And if you have children, I'll pray for them to for having a parent who is so sour about life in general and I hope they will have better raising than what you show in this forum. I have better things to do than stay in a stupid argument with you. It's childish. I have already apologized 4 maybe offending you, but you have offended me as well but I am not one of these people who is gonna sue you over it. I am sorry and I will pray for you and your name calling. May God Bless You in every way and I hope one day, you will understand.[QUOTE]

What I DO understand, TootsiePerson, is the difference between "cylindrical" and "cynical." Regrettably, you seem not to have distinguished between the two. I in no way wish to accuse you of being "cynical," and if you will review the history of our series of love notes, you will discover that I never ever used that term. I would point out, however, that the actual shape of a Tootsie roll IS, in fact, CYLINDRICAL, and that is the term I used to describe the entity that you yourself chose to identify yourself with, enrolling the name of that famous Mars Company candy bar as your very own forum nickname.

Although I continue to consider you to be relatively dense--considerably more so than a Tootsie Roll--I have never credited you with enough sophistication to muster up much in the way of cynicism. As to the actual configuration of your personal anatomy--whether cylindrical, spherical, pretzeloid or otherwise formed and shaped, I would not hazard even a guess!

My Goodness, can you grow up, just a little? Please? If I got a word mixed up, sue me. Geeze. I most certainly am not dense. You dont know me so dont assume you know how intelligent I am. If you want to get into that, we can but I most certainly will not stand for you bad mouthing me and my intelligence. I am not calling tou names or saying you are dense. You act like a 15 years old trying your best to use big words (probably because you looked them up in a dictonary) to try and confuse me but you are mistaken. I understand every word. I am a very smart person. Dont you ever tell me I am dense. You do not know me. Until you do, do not judge me. I am not judging you. I never will until I actually meet you. Ya know. What is the point you are trying to make? All you are doing is making yourself look silly by trying to intimidate me. Dont call me names and do not act like you know how smart I am. That is a real insult to people. Maybe I should try and make you feel one inch tall and see how you like being treated that way.

Hey, Tootsie, are you sure you are not really Mrs. Floyd Turbo? And, hey, if you would have recourse to your own book of word definitions, you smart thing you, you would find that is is a "dictionary," not a "dictonary." I do use a dictionary occasionally, but in my communications with you I have not even once had the need to look anything up, since nothing you have served up here lies outside the vocabulary of a sixth-grader. Indeed, you do not know me, but by way of introduction, I am pasting in relevant information from my modest profile on another forum:

I AM:

6 feet 8 inches tall, 260 pounds--all muscle and gristle, with IQ of 185 and PhD degrees in six disciplines.

I LIKE:

to play 6 simultaneous games of mental 3-dimensional chesswith the world's greatest experts and beat them all.

MY MOTTO:

Lay it on thick!

TootsieRoll,
I have a cousin who has an aunt who has a nephew that knows someone that knows beternU,they said just feel sorry for him,he his seeking attention he didn't recieve at home....and somebody sneaked a peek at him in the gym shower,gave him some kinda issue for life,he thinks he's betternU..lol J/K

If I mispelled,so what..Hooray for Paul Harvey!

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Originally posted by beternU:

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Originally posted by TootsieRoll:

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Originally posted by beternU:
TootsieRoll writes:

[QUOTE]I believe you called me a cynical candy bar? Um yea thats right, you did. I mean come on. That OFFENDS me. If you cannot call me by a name I specify, then dont talk to me. That is name calling. I mean how old are you? You take things to heart and I really do pray for you. And if you have children, I'll pray for them to for having a parent who is so sour about life in general and I hope they will have better raising than what you show in this forum. I have better things to do than stay in a stupid argument with you. It's childish. I have already apologized 4 maybe offending you, but you have offended me as well but I am not one of these people who is gonna sue you over it. I am sorry and I will pray for you and your name calling. May God Bless You in every way and I hope one day, you will understand.[QUOTE]

What I DO understand, TootsiePerson, is the difference between "cylindrical" and "cynical." Regrettably, you seem not to have distinguished between the two. I in no way wish to accuse you of being "cynical," and if you will review the history of our series of love notes, you will discover that I never ever used that term. I would point out, however, that the actual shape of a Tootsie roll IS, in fact, CYLINDRICAL, and that is the term I used to describe the entity that you yourself chose to identify yourself with, enrolling the name of that famous Mars Company candy bar as your very own forum nickname.

Although I continue to consider you to be relatively dense--considerably more so than a Tootsie Roll--I have never credited you with enough sophistication to muster up much in the way of cynicism. As to the actual configuration of your personal anatomy--whether cylindrical, spherical, pretzeloid or otherwise formed and shaped, I would not hazard even a guess!

My Goodness, can you grow up, just a little? Please? If I got a word mixed up, sue me. Geeze. I most certainly am not dense. You dont know me so dont assume you know how intelligent I am. If you want to get into that, we can but I most certainly will not stand for you bad mouthing me and my intelligence. I am not calling tou names or saying you are dense. You act like a 15 years old trying your best to use big words (probably because you looked them up in a dictonary) to try and confuse me but you are mistaken. I understand every word. I am a very smart person. Dont you ever tell me I am dense. You do not know me. Until you do, do not judge me. I am not judging you. I never will until I actually meet you. Ya know. What is the point you are trying to make? All you are doing is making yourself look silly by trying to intimidate me. Dont call me names and do not act like you know how smart I am. That is a real insult to people. Maybe I should try and make you feel one inch tall and see how you like being treated that way.

Hey, Tootsie, are you sure you are not really Mrs. Floyd Turbo? And, hey, if you would have recourse to your own book of word definitions, you smart thing you, you would find that is is a "dictionary," not a "dictonary." I do use a dictionary occasionally, but in my communications with you I have not even once had the need to look anything up, since nothing you have served up here lies outside the vocabulary of a sixth-grader.

Apparently, you have never had typos...? I know how to spell. But gee thanks for catching that. I much be to freaking stupid to know how to spell, according to you. IT IS A D*** TYPO! GET OVER YOURSELF!!!! PLEASE FOR THE SAKE OF EVERYONE IN THIS FORUM.