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How do you feel about corporate crime?

Who'll stop the corporate crime wave?
The Bush administration can't be trusted to crack down on behavior its leaders once indulged in.

By Arianna Huffington

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July 9, 2002 | Every scandal, it seems, produces at least one classic and defining euphemism -- a judiciously chosen word or phrase diligently employed to sugarcoat the sour reality at hand.

In Watergate, it was press secretary Ron Ziegler's mechanical assertion that all his previous statements were "inoperative." In Vietnam, it was the military's use of "friendly fire" to soften the dreadful truth of soldiers killed by their own side.

And now we have corporate America's glittering contribution: "restatement of earnings." It sounds so benign. Possibly even a good thing. Earnings are good, after all. And "restating" is just the boardroom equivalent of asking for a do-over on the playground. It connotes a slip of the tongue, a wrongly chosen word, a failure to carry the 1 when doing your math homework.

What it doesn't sound like is, well, what it is: out-and-out fraud involving the fleecing of billions of dollars from shareholders and pension funds.

http://dir.salon.com/story/news/col/huff/2002/07/09/earnings/index.html
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I wasn't aware corruption only happened with Republicans. I was under the mistaken notion that all humans were susceptible to the same character flaws and that politicians on both sides have fallen but in some cases still maintain their seats (Jefferson, Murtha, McCain)...

PBA, I know you can’t believe all this crap you subject us to several times a day. If you do I feel pretty sorry for you.
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Originally posted by imho:
To answer your question - I'm against it, and so is the government.
More corporate crime has been exposed and prosecuted under Bush than the years under Clinton, which is when many of the crimes took place.

So then, who let the kids loose in the candy store?




SO, You think Bush is big on Crime and putting all the bad guys away huh? Bush people like crime take a look and see if you remember any of these good Bush people crimes.

THE Big Bad Wolf in Sheep Clothing!

BAD Bush people who love GOD only to fool the american people.
Isaiah 5: 20 (NKJ) "Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"



According to Justice Department officials, it is unlikely that the U.S. Attorney's office in Washington will press forward on a prosecution in the Foley case. 2006


Is lying about the reason for a war a crime an impeachable offense?

George W. Bush's speech on September 6 amounted to a public confession to criminal violations of the 1996 War Crimes Act. He implicitly admitted authorizing disappearances, extrajudicial imprisonment, torture, transporting prisoners between countries and denying the International Committee of the Red Cross access to prisoners.

Tom DeLay's money laundering crime organization, illegally took national corporate GOP contributions and funnelled them into Texas to buy state elections.

At least two people who worked on Abramoff's team at Preston Gates wound up with Bush administration jobs: Patrick Pizzella, named an assistant secretary of labor by Bush; and David Safavian, chosen by Bush to oversee federal procurement policy in the Office of Management and Budget.
"We have worked with WH Office of Presidential Personnel to ensure that CNMI-relevant positions at various agencies are not awarded to enemies of CNMI," Abramoff's team wrote the Marianas in an October 2001 report on its work for the year.



Claude A. Allen, who resigned last month as President Bush's top domestic policy adviser, was arrested this week in Montgomery County for allegedly swindling Target and Hecht's stores out of more than $5,000 in a refund scheme, police said.



The Rove That Dare Not Speak Its Plame
Did the Cheney-Rove effort to discredit Joseph Wilson include dispatching a surrogate posing as a reporter, quondam male escort Jeff Gannon?
quote:
Originally posted by Ubermensch:
I wasn't aware corruption only happened with Republicans. I was under the mistaken notion that all humans were susceptible to the same character flaws and that politicians on both sides have fallen but in some cases still maintain their seats (Jefferson, Murtha, McCain)...

PBA, I know you can’t believe all this crap you subject us to several times a day. If you do I feel pretty sorry for you.



>>>>corruption only happened with Republicans<<<< No it is not just the republicans!! The so called Democrats are just as bad!! The power needs to go back to the american people and not republicans or democrats!
my responses in red

quote:
Originally posted by pba:
quote:
Originally posted by imho:
To answer your question - I'm against it, and so is the government.
More corporate crime has been exposed and prosecuted under Bush than the years under Clinton, which is when many of the crimes took place.

So then, who let the kids loose in the candy store?




SO, You think Bush is big on Crime and putting all the bad guys away huh? Bush people like crime take a look and see if you remember any of these good Bush people crimes.

THE Big Bad Wolf in Sheep Clothing!

BAD Bush people who love GOD only to fool the american people.
Isaiah 5: 20 (NKJ) "Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"
I could quote the same back to you

According to Justice Department officials, it is unlikely that the U.S. Attorney's office in Washington will press forward on a prosecution in the Foley case. 2006
Not that I'm defending his actions, but did he actually break a law? Is there any evidence? Is it worth your tax money to pusue this?

Is lying about the reason for a war a crime an impeachable offense?
Didn't the dems vote based on the same data gathered over years of intelligence including the Clinton years?

George W. Bush's speech on September 6 amounted to a public confession to criminal violations of the 1996 War Crimes Act. He implicitly admitted authorizing disappearances, extrajudicial imprisonment, torture, transporting prisoners between countries and denying the International Committee of the Red Cross access to prisoners.
...and didn't Clinton fire some missiles (an act of war) to distract attention from his affair(s)?

Tom DeLay's money laundering crime organization, illegally took national corporate GOP contributions and funnelled them into Texas to buy state elections.
...and Don Siegelman is a saint.

I could go on but debating which politicans are dirtiest is a waste of time.


quote:
Originally posted by imho:
my responses in red

quote:
Originally posted by pba:
quote:
Originally posted by imho:
To answer your question - I'm against it, and so is the government.
More corporate crime has been exposed and prosecuted under Bush than the years under Clinton, which is when many of the crimes took place.

So then, who let the kids loose in the candy store?




SO, You think Bush is big on Crime and putting all the bad guys away huh? Bush people like crime take a look and see if you remember any of these good Bush people crimes.

THE Big Bad Wolf in Sheep Clothing!

BAD Bush people who love GOD only to fool the american people.
Isaiah 5: 20 (NKJ) "Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"
I could quote the same back to you

According to Justice Department officials, it is unlikely that the U.S. Attorney's office in Washington will press forward on a prosecution in the Foley case. 2006
Not that I'm defending his actions, but did he actually break a law? Is there any evidence? Is it worth your tax money to pusue this?

Is lying about the reason for a war a crime an impeachable offense?
Didn't the dems vote based on the same data gathered over years of intelligence including the Clinton years?

George W. Bush's speech on September 6 amounted to a public confession to criminal violations of the 1996 War Crimes Act. He implicitly admitted authorizing disappearances, extrajudicial imprisonment, torture, transporting prisoners between countries and denying the International Committee of the Red Cross access to prisoners.
...and didn't Clinton fire some missiles (an act of war) to distract attention from his affair(s)?

Tom DeLay's money laundering crime organization, illegally took national corporate GOP contributions and funnelled them into Texas to buy state elections.
...and Don Siegelman is a saint.

I could go on but debating which politicans are dirtiest is a waste of time.






I try to stay away from using sports analogies but sometimes it works the best between friends. Dog Soldier is using the run away and tie up techniques a boxer uses when he is over powered and out classed in the ring. Ali was known for his dancing around but he "Floated like a Butterfly and Stung like a Bee." He could Box, and Hit and had a powertful knockout punch. This guy only runs then ties you up with nonsense. When I see that I know they have nothing left and are trying to distract and avoid the issue.

Living in denial is not an answer. You can try to hold up a mirror and use finger pointing to deflect from their crimes but the evidence of unbridled greed by the republican congress is one of the worst in our history. It can be debated which was the worse congress in US history, the plundering after the Civil War, or Robber Barons of the 19th century, but the lying, shake downs, threats, backdoor deals kickbacks, political pay backs, arm twisitng and corruption of the likes of Delay, Abramnoff and K Street of the republican congress certainly made it's way into the top group of scoundrels. You couldn't even talk to a republican congressman without first making a donation to their party of a couple thousand dollars. And they openly and arrogantly bragged about it. There hasn't been this much organized corruption in decades, perhaps a century. It was one of the main reasons it was swept from office by the voters, Red Sates included.

I haven't followed the Foley Case that close, mainly cause the left tends to classify it as another non story blown up out of proportion and distraction story by the corporate media. They love sex scandels. But, unless I missed something, and maybe there is a cover up, or new evidence arises, the last I did read, yes, Foley was "preying upon" young pages, but in the states he was doing so the age of consent is 16. They were all 16 or older. His e-mails and IM's may have been inappropriate but not illegal. It can be compared to a boss taking advantage of young workers and he was definitely betraying trust, and he should be "fired," but in Foley's case, as far I had read, if a page wasn't interested, he backed off. It wasn't harassment. The pages he did this with were all consenting and don't think that 16 year olds are innocent and so naive. Think back to your own teenage years. I had friends having sex at 13.

Part of the real scandal is Hasrtert and other top republican leaders knew all about it but kept quiet and allowed it to go on. Thye should have stopped it.

Unless I missed important evidence, or new evidence arises, and there could be a cover up, I think there is not case for criminal charges. Inappropriate behavior and taking advantage of his position but this is not the first scandal involving congressman and young pages, happened with young females too. Maybe there is a cover up that I haven't read about though, so I don't now. It's wrong but I don't think he broke the law.

Bush "cherry picked" information from a group he authorized Cheney to set up that ignored the truth and emphasized the lies about Iraq. They forced out intelligence officers who disagreed with them. He didn't use any evidence that Clinton compiled. The story about Saddam buying uranium from Niger involved a break-in into the Italian Embassy in Jan, or Feb, 2001 and the papers that were stolen were used to forge documents on. It was a covert action to set up a lie for war. When Bush presented this information to Congress and the Public he was told it was a lie and not to do so, but did so anyway. He he it was from British intellignece but was told it was a lie. Congress and the Nation went to war on the Bush administrations lies. Had nothing to do with Clinton. Clinton, and his administration, had put out statements concerning and kept the sanction on but did not attack. The plan to control the region has been a "bipartisan" poicly for decades. They only differ on how to do it. Covert actions and puppets or straight-out invasion.

And it's soooooo funny how they play the Clinton presidency. First they say he did nothing about bin Laden and he is to blame for 9/11 but then when it's convenient they switch and say, he fired missiles into Afghanistan to distract from the Lewinsky scandal. They play both sides. Richard Clarke wrote that Clinton did his best to get bin Laden but was distracted by the Lewinsky scandal. When he acted he was accused of trying to distract from the scandal. He bombed the pharmaceutical factory in Sudan which was a mistake. They Clinton administration did their best to warn Bush of the threat, but Bush ignored it. He was more interested in looking for excuses to invade and occupy Iraq so they could carry out the agenda of the Project for a New American Century think tank group of invading and occupying the Middle East. To use military power to control the region and the oil, and profits by military force. It's why they made up the lies, including Powell's infamous and embarrassing speech at the UN. His former aid Wlkerson called it the lowest point of Powell's career.

The idea to take the region by military force was a huge blunder, as events have shown.

I wouldn't call denial and word games "debating."
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Originally posted by dkjpika:
LOOK. I can copy and paste too:

troll - a person who enters an established community such as an online discussion forum and intentionally tries to cause disruption, often in the form of posting messages that are inflammatory, insulting, or off-topic, with the intent of provoking a reaction from others.


dkjpika - nice find but you should have moved some words around to make it look like your own words

Try this - Google the following:
"Bush cherry-picked"
You'll find that paragraph all but plagiarized from several sources.

My own definition:
"Bait and switch" - start a forum topic like this one then load it down with anti-Bush catch phrases
quote:
Originally posted by imho:
quote:
Originally posted by dkjpika:
LOOK. I can copy and paste too:

troll - a person who enters an established community such as an online discussion forum and intentionally tries to cause disruption, often in the form of posting messages that are inflammatory, insulting, or off-topic, with the intent of provoking a reaction from others.


dkjpika - nice find but you should have moved some words around to make it look like your own words

Try this - Google the following:
"Bush cherry-picked"
You'll find that paragraph all but plagiarized from several sources.

My own definition:
"Bait and switch" - start a forum topic like this one then load it down with anti-Bush catch phrases


cheap shot!! I have ask you to debate me and all you can do is take the easy way out.

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