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Pfc. Jessica Lynch, rescued Tuesday from an Iraqi hospital, fought fiercely and shot several enemy soldiers after Iraqi forces ambushed the Army's 507th Ordnance Maintenance company, firing her weapon until she ran out of ammunition, U.S. officials said yesterday.
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"While the first article is clearly a complete fabrication attributed to "official sources" it is convincing evidence of how our journalists have prostituted themselves and become a part of the propaganda machine, employed to lie and distort the truth."

This is a very revealing statement and something the independent press and "Liberals" have been trying to tell people. This whole administration is a lie and have sold out the country. We, the people are the country, not the govenrment but we the people, Remeber?

The Right Wing is control of the media. The likes of Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter and O'Reilly are lying and are nothing but the mouthpieces of a corrupt government and corporate greed. They dictate policies and lies that are not in the interests of the people.

They are continually exposed and the numbers or people are growing that are beginning to see it, but some people still have a hard time believing it.
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Originally posted by Pogo142:
Excerpt Quote:

"While the first article is clearly a complete fabrication attributed to "official sources" it is convincing evidence of how our journalists have prostituted themselves and become a part of the propaganda machine, employed to lie and distort the truth."

This is a very revealing statement and something the independent press and "Liberals" have been trying to tell people. This whole administration is a lie and have sold out the country. We, the people are the country, not the govenrment but we the people, Remeber?

The Right Wing is control of the media. The likes of Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter and O'Reilly are lying and are nothing but the mouthpieces of a corrupt government and corporate greed. They dictate policies and lies that are not in the interests of the people.

They are continually exposed and the numbers or people are growing that are beginning to see it, but some people still have a hard time believing it.
POGO You are so right it hurts.

So right it is painful to admit that as a nation we were duped into supporting a criminal war.

I differ only on the "prostituted" themselves. It is the media that exposed the lies. They went to the source. They asked Jessica Lynch. They reported what she said. The media did their job. And they did it as well as it can be done when people like Dan Rather are forced into retirement for accepting as truth a forgery.

The media does not connect the dots, that is up to you and me to do. You and I, and NashBama and USA1 and pba and everyone else needs to SEE that the media is being manipulated by the Neo Conservatives. It is being manipulated with payments to O'Reilly and Limbaugh ONLY so long as they tow the line.

It is being manipulated by making examples of people like Dan Rather, and Air America by STARVING THEM. If a reporter asks tough questions she gets sent to the back of the room. Helen Thomas.
If a reporter is to even handed and thoughtful he gets handed a forgery, and then the forgery is exposed to discredit him.
Dan Rather.
If an organization is to truthful they get smeared with the label "Liberal Media."
New York Times
Washington Post
If the publication is really liberal, they just don't get advertisers.
Mother Jones Journal
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Air America
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pogo, remember, "Freedom's just another word for nothing left to loose."
To prosper you must surrender your independence and your liberty. Choose carefully who you surrender to.
Rather was forced into retirement because he could not or would not discern a truth from a forgery. Not, because of a planted forgery. The man who submitted the documents was no lover of W.

Mother Jones doesn't get advertisers because of market economics.

I never understood how the Jessica Lynch myth ever started. Within a couple of days, news that she hadn't fired a shot was all over.
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Rather was forced into retirement because he could not or would not discern a truth from a forgery. Not, because of a planted forgery. The man who submitted the documents was no lover of W.

Mother Jones doesn't get advertisers because of market economics.

I never understood how the Jessica Lynch myth ever started. Within a couple of days, news that she hadn't fired a shot was all over.

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Dan Rather is just another corporate jouranlist. He is called a liberal but most of the progressive press doesn't see him to be much different then the rest. He is sort of middle of the road.

He did recieve forged documents that were fed to him. Kind of odd for an experienced reported not to know what is taught in jouranalism 101.

That Bush went AWOL is a fact and Rather ran with forged documents, smells like just another Rove tactic, which many feel it was.

The Jessic Lynch story was corrected, but wasn't headlines. Odd how the "myth" some how remained. Just like the US "resuce" which was staged. Iraqi doctors tried to reutn her after the Iraqi military left the hospital but were fired upon. The "resuce" occured when the Iraqi military had already left. The only reason these and other truths became known was becasue the of independent and foreign press.

Mother Jones and other publications on the left don't take advertizing becasue they don't want to be restricted from covering any story. Advertizers will eventually control content. Corporate news see's that on energy issues, nuclear power, automoblies. Various cases have been exposed over the years by whistle blowers and by media watch groups like FAIR that monitor news stories.

And you left out the biggest lie of all, the WMD.

The independent press got it right all along.
No, it not a fact that W was AWOL. For at least two or three of the claimed absences, eye witnesses have stepped forward and given descriptions of his actions during the supposed absences. I am not aware of any testimony to his presence elsewhere. If he was paid, as he was, he signed a form on each day to show his presence. Guard/Reserves would not make payments without the submission of the form. The same form was the basis for recording his retirement points -- which he also accumulated.

Iraq gave UN inspectors a list of WMD items at the end of Desert Storm, as part of the cessation of hostilities. UN inspectors never oversaw their destruction.

Foreign intelligence agencies including the Germans, the French, the Brits, the Russians, the Iranians, all believed Iraq still possessed WMD. Bill Clinton stated he believed that Iraq stil possessed WMD.

Were the WMD destroyed by Iraq without UN inspectors overseeing the process, did Iraq lie to bluff their neighbors or were the WMD items spirited away to Syria? That makes for a lie, but not from Bush.
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No, it not a fact that W was AWOL. For at least two or three of the claimed absences, eye witnesses have stepped forward and given descriptions of his actions during the supposed absences. I am not aware of any testimony to his presence elsewhere. If he was paid, as he was, he signed a form on each day to show his presence. Guard/Reserves would not make payments without the submission of the form. The same form was the basis for recording his retirement points -- which he also accumulated.

Iraq gave UN inspectors a list of WMD items at the end of Desert Storm, as part of the cessation of hostilities. UN inspectors never oversaw their destruction.

Foreign intelligence agencies including the Germans, the French, the Brits, the Russians, the Iranians, all believed Iraq still possessed WMD. Bill Clinton stated he believed that Iraq stil possessed WMD.

Were the WMD destroyed by Iraq without UN inspectors overseeing the process, did Iraq lie to bluff their neighbors or were the WMD items spirited away to Syria? That makes for a lie, but not from Bush.

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No one stepped forward to vouch for Bush's during the time in question. Every major news outlet was offering big money and national interview time for anyone who could. No credible witness stepped forward. A number did step forward to say he was missing.

Somehow Bush's records have "disappeared."

According to former US Marine during Desert Storm and UN inspector Scott Ritter the UN did oversee the destruction of Saddam's weapons and it was also reported by a number of news organiztions as so. You think they "just took his word for it" ?

Inspections continued until it became clear that the inspectors were spying. They were giving coordinates of guns positions and military positions and such. They were also demanding to see inside many of Saddams private palaces where they knew no secret labs were or way to have WMD could be possible. It was to set up Saddam as a target for assassination. They were also involved in trying to stage a coup among his elite Republican Guard but were discovered. The inspectors were then "Kicked out."

Scott Ritter testified to congress about the lack of real interest in searching for WMD and wrote in depth of his experiences, the spying and about the failed coup.

The UN did authorize inspectors at the urging of the US and Britain and Saddam did allow them back in. They testified they were given free access to any sites they asked and went on short notice.

They found nothing.

The US policy in Iraq has been regime change. They have been after the oil and had Saddam opened up his oil fields and his country to corporate globalization he would be in power today. Saddam was willing to work with the US until the Iran Contra Scandal broke and he found out the US was also secretly supplying Iran. It infuriated him and he realized the US could not be trusted.

Bush lied about intelligence and even Tenet has now come out and admitted it. They have been caught in their lies and the fingering pointing has begun. Even during the run up to the invasion many intelligence officers doubted there to be any credible evidence. Bush and Cheney "Cherry picked" what suited their case and disregard the rest.

The UN authorized inspections but not the invasion. It was obvious since no WMD were being found and Saddam couldn't be "sucker punched" into attacking US forces Bush was forced to invade before he lost any excuse at all.

Not to get personal or anything but you claim to be such an expert in the region then you should know that Saddam and Haffez Assad and his son, Bashir, were long time bitter enemies. First, he would never hand any WMD over to them, especially after his experience with his airforce during Dessert Strom and Iran and the US was monitoring them closely. They would have picked up the movement and Bush and Cheney and this whole criminal administration would be screaming about it. Instead the US has officially said, there are no WMD. Bush even made jokes about it.

The war was a lie from start to finish and has always been about oil. The corporate media lied from the start and continue to lie now. Some have come out and admitted "mistakes were made" so as to retain any sense of credulity with those Americans who have the sense to question. How long the people will continue to believe their media as it continually leads them around in circles is yet to be seen.
Again, a sign-in sheet would act as a feeder report to record Bush's presence for pay and retirement points. The sign-in sheet would have been destroyed after two years. Bush's records did not dissappear and many were available on the web.

A retired Alabama Air National Guard officer, retired Lt. Col. John "Bill" Calhoun, said that he remembers George W. Bush showing up for duty in Alabama in 1972, reading safety magazines and flight manuals in an office as he performed his weekend obligations. This did come up before the elections.

And in fact, Bush was at Dannelly Air National Guard base in Montgomery as late as Jan. 6, 1973, according to a document released by the White House Feb. 11. The document is a record of a dental examination of Bush on that date. The payroll records released two days earlier show Bush received pay and credit for service for Jan. 6 and for five other days closely clustered between Jan. 4 and Jan. 10.


As to Syria, yes they were not friends with Saddam, but his wives and daughter now live in Syria, as well as, members of the former regime. You circumlocated my statement about five other nations intell believing Iraq had WMD. We have satellite photos a comvoys of 100 Russian trucks going to Syria. Reportedly, with Spetnaz escort, but that isn't verified.

As to US wishing to control Iraqi oil -- that flat hasn't happened
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As to US wishing to control Iraqi oil -- that flat hasn't happened


That is the exact reason our troops are still in Iraq. They will be there until the American oil companies can safely go in and work their claims which were settled before Iraq was invaded, until Bush is fourced to leave, or we get a Democratic president, whichever comes first.
interventor:

Again, a sign-in sheet would act as a feeder report to record Bush's presence for pay and retirement points. The sign-in sheet would have been destroyed after two years. Bush's records did not dissappear and many were available on the web.

A retired Alabama Air National Guard officer, retired Lt. Col. John "Bill" Calhoun, said that he remembers George W. Bush showing up for duty in Alabama in 1972, reading safety magazines and flight manuals in an office as he performed his weekend obligations. This did come up before the elections.

And in fact, Bush was at Dannelly Air National Guard base in Montgomery as late as Jan. 6, 1973, according to a document released by the White House Feb. 11. The document is a record of a dental examination of Bush on that date. The payroll records released two days earlier show Bush received pay and credit for service for Jan. 6 and for five other days closely clustered between Jan. 4 and Jan. 10.


As to Syria, yes they were not friends with Saddam, but his wives and daughter now live in Syria, as well as, members of the former regime. You circumlocated my statement about five other nations intell believing Iraq had WMD. We have satellite photos a comvoys of 100 Russian trucks going to Syria. Reportedly, with Spetnaz escort, but that isn't verified.

As to US wishing to control Iraqi oil -- that flat hasn't happened.

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Bush's were about's during the time in question have never been verified. The records have "disappeared."

I said all the nations on the Security Council agreed to UN inspections. No evidence of WMD were found. The UN did not authorize the invasion.

The US has never said they believe any convoys of WMD went to Syria. If they really thought the WMD were being shipped they would have said so and acted. They never would have spend all that time and money searching for them all over Iraq.

Instead Bush makes jokes about not finding any.

The new Iraqi oil law that privatizes the oil and allows the oil corporations the rights and major share has been stalled in the Iraqi Congress. They tried to ram it through but there is enough opposition at this time to keep it stalled. The first thing Paul Bremer did was to order a a new Iraqi constitution that privatized the oil and opened the Iraqi markets to outside foreign ownership.

And as the poster "excelman" correctly stated the Oil Corporations are waiting for things in Iraq to stabilize before setting up operations.

It's always been about oil. The war is just another lie in long list of lies from the govenrment and it's mouthpiece, the corporate media.
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Originally posted by interventor:
No, it not a fact that W was AWOL. For at least two or three of the claimed absences, eye witnesses have stepped forward and given descriptions of his actions during the supposed absences. I am not aware of any testimony to his presence elsewhere. If he was paid, as he was, he signed a form on each day to show his presence. Guard/Reserves would not make payments without the submission of the form. The same form was the basis for recording his retirement points -- which he also accumulated.

Iraq gave UN inspectors a list of WMD items at the end of Desert Storm, as part of the cessation of hostilities. UN inspectors never oversaw their destruction.

Foreign intelligence agencies including the Germans, the French, the Brits, the Russians, the Iranians, all believed Iraq still possessed WMD. Bill Clinton stated he believed that Iraq stil possessed WMD.

Were the WMD destroyed by Iraq without UN inspectors overseeing the process, did Iraq lie to bluff their neighbors or were the WMD items spirited away to Syria? That makes for a lie, but not from Bush.
Interventor, George W Bush did not even bother to show up to get his separation papers.
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Of course, he didn't. When I left active service I was issued a DD Form 214. But, transitioned to the active reserves for one year (no meetings required) and to inactive reserve for two years. After that, they mailed me my discharge papers. As, they mailed to most reservists.
Right, you were issued a DD 214, and if your separation officer was on his toes, he told you to record it at the County Seat as soon as you got home.

Those are the papers Bush did not bother to pick up. And that is what separation papers are.

You and I both were on ACTIVE duty at separation. Bush was NEVER on active duty.

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