How the Web is killing faith

Hi Robust,

 

Your copy/paste tells us, "...This is why atheists love the Internet.  We can tell Christians the emperor’s not wearing any clothes.  We can question the dogma they’ve simply accepted all their lives.  We can expose religious frauds.  We can explain the many unfortunate consequences of unquestioned belief."

 

What is your purpose?   If atheists do not believe God exists, why fight against Christianity?  Isn't that rather like shadow boxing with the wind -- when there is no wind?    Atheists say one thing -- but, always do another.

 

Christian defend our Christian faith because we KNOW that God is real and in control of the universe.

 

Atheists loudly declare you KNOW God does not exist -- but, you spend your lives fighting against Him.  Does that make any sense at all?  By fighting against God -- aren't you validating God?

 

Now, I know many atheists will declare, "We just fight against your God because you keep talking about Him!"   WHY?  If He does not exist -- aren't we just deluding ourselves to talk about Him?  That, alone, should make you atheists happy.  

 

Personally, to me it appears that the more you fight against God -- the more it appears that you really do believe He exists -- but, you are afraid to admit it.  If you admit that God exists -- then, you will have to be held accountable to His teachings.   But, if you can pull a blanket over your head and pretend He is not there -- you prove the bogey man does not exist. 

 

I know I have used this analogy before -- but, it just seems the most appropriate.  An atheist fighting against God -- is like the flea crawling up the elephants leg with rape on its mind.

 

I am still grappling with your purpose for beginning this discussion.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

 

Rave on robustus, religion has served mankind well for 20 billion years and you are suddenly going to jump in the mix with third grade education. I don’t think so FAIL!!!

LOL at bill and ram.

What really makes religion look bad is when you have people like Rrammlimnn(now, vega) claiming he is a Christian and attacking atheist all the time and yet he consistently lies and deceives daily. Maybe he thinks we are all stupid on here and cannot see what he is but he'd be wrong. I'm not sure what kind of Christian he thinks he is but he ruled himself out many moons ago. Not to mention that hateful, nasty mouth he's got on him. Look back through the archives on here and read some of his language. Notice the 40 or 50 different id's in the last year and how all of them are banned for personal attacks. If this is what religion is then no wonder so many want nothing to do with it. The word hypocrite comes to mind immediately. 

 

Rramm, you are not helping your cause(which you claim is Christianity). In fact you are making a mockery of it. Take a look at the beam in your own eye before pointing out everyone else's faults. You are a complete joke. And a sick one at that. 

20 billion years ? Come on, the Earth is only 4.5 billion years old and man has only been here about 3 million years. Which is about 2.99 million years longer than the Bible says God created Adam and Eve

Should have said 2.99 billion years

Bill you've been told a hundred times why atheists discuss religion, you just don't like the answers. An ant on a futile mission? That's how I would describe you trying to sell your bill of goods. You really really really need some new lines. Your old "afraid to admit he exists" one and all your others are just worn out. What is better to fight against than the attempt to push the belief of a myth into our schools and children's minds, our private lives, and our government? What better to call you on than the lies you and others tell about non-believers or people that believe differently than you, or live differently?

Yes, you would love it if we just all went away and left you to your lies and misinformation, such as the one you repeat constantly about relative morals. You don't even know what that means but you're content to keep posting and showing your ignorance about it. Sorry, but those days of our sitting back and letting you have at it with no objections are gone. You can do it in your private life with people that have the same twisted views that you hold, but you can't get away with it on a public forum that, try as you might, you can't control.

Bill Gray

By fighting against God -- aren't you validating God?.

 

by fighting against same sex marriage, aren't you validating it?

by fighting against the liberals, aren't you validating them?

by fighting against "insert whatever here", aren't you validating it?

 

 

 

I can see right through the dilemma.

There is much jealousy

Of me and my pal

Bill.

I can certainly understand your feelings of inferiority

When you are in the presence of

Rramlimnn.

I

Too admire him and

I

Hope he is

          My friend.

 

I'm not sure I understand what I just read.

Not surprised.

wul

how ugly

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When did you give up the 6k with instructions outlook, Ram?  I'm going to have to post a troll alert here.

 

 

 

Thank you, my Friend, for asking.  But, you seem to have overlooked one MAJOR difference.  When the atheists fight against God -- they deceptively attempt to claim He does not exist.   This way, they can hide their heads under their blankets and deny His existence -- even though He is right there on the other side of their protective blankets -- waiting for them.

 

If God did not exist -- how could they fight against Him?   One cannot fight what is not there.

 

Now, on the other hand, I KNOW that homosexuality and same-sex marriage are real, and that many believe they were born that way  (well, actually, that is their desire, to have someone prove this) -- for they have listened to Liberal Rhetoric all their lives.  You see, my Friend, these poor souls who mistakenly believe they are born gay are the victims of that Liberal Rhetoric.

 

And, I KNOW that Liberals exist.   Who else could muddy the water like this group has done?

 

Now, regarding your "insert whatever here" category -- I suppose I will insert "self-deceived atheists" there for they have almost convinced themselves that God does not exist.

 

Also, I would insert "self-deceived non-believers" there -- for they have almost convinced themselves that they are smarter than God and know better than Him how to run the universe.

 

So, Yoda, my confused Friend, yes, I do believe that atheists validate God when they fight so hard to deny Him.

 

On the other hand, I need not validate homosexuals, homosexual embracers, Liberals, or the "insert whatever here" groups.  They validate themselves when they work so hard to push their anti-God agendas.

 

But, once again, my Friend -- thank you for your concern for me.  I do appreciate your love and caring.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

I imagine troll man is gone for the night as it was probably lights out at Bryce Hospital around 10:00pm. By now he's been sedated and tucked in by his nurse while he mumbled incoherently something about clouds and June bugs. 

 

Let me disinfect this area now. Excuse me. 

 

 

Later in the article, the author says the day of unquestioning faith is over. I doubt that very many individuals today have not questioned their faith, if they should have it. Who runs the gauntlet and retains their faith? I have no statistics, but a faith questioned and found to be valid is much stronger than an untested faith.

 

The Internet may be blind faith's worst nightmare, but my faith, and the faith of many, isn't blind. Christ said many will fall by the wayside. It's a sad fact.

By definition, all faith is blind.

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Bill Gray:

If God did not exist -- how could they fight against Him?   One cannot fight what is not there.

how about just trying to stop the spread of "misinformantion"?

could that be the reason!?!?!?

Nobody's fighting against your 'god', BeeG. Just the ignorance that dreamed it up in the first place.

 

I think it was seven who said it best.

 

"Maybe he thinks we are all stupid”

Referring as to what Rram might think of the choir of atheists and those ashamed of the Gospel of Christ along with the few on here that have invented some Pierre Cardin flavor for their own taste buds.

They are constantly swarming anyone who hints of any relationship with God.

You may ask “what could be the risks?” of that behavior?

Well, they are liable to go completely mad and rush head long into the sea.

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I have no doubt you, and all the other voices in his head, adore him. 

Best, you know you like Rram. He actually told me that you are one of his favorite atheists.

uhh huh

If you'll notice in rram's posts, he seems to like to tell women what they "really" want. Sad, isn't it?

seven

your troll spray is not working.

FV is back

 

Exactly what I was thinking.

Originally Posted by 6packk:

Several of us are apostles of the great Rramlimnn.

wouldn't this be considered "blasphemy", in the religious world?

 

ignorance knows no bounds... obviously!

All the "apostles" are voices in his head.

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Yes I know, and the she/male thingy is one of the voices too.

Hahahahaha....

 

Well, now, we have a fun puzzle to solve, don't we?

 

Rramm has abused the privilege of posting here so often that guessing which sock accounts are his has  become something of a game.

 

It is sort of fun, isn't it?

 

Now, I know what it's like to be banned here.  My erstwhile handle, "DeepFat", was banned when I called bill a f'g idiot.  It seems I violated the TD style standards.  C'est la vie.  "You can't handle the truth!"

 

FWIW, I don't think Vega is Rram.  Vega exhibits all the delusions and warped sense of reality of which Rram is capable, but does not have Rram's vocabulary or grammatical skills.

6packk, however, could very well be the exact reprobate himself.  To wit, consider this post: Several of us are apostles of the great Rramlimnn.

 

Entirely consistent with the self-aggrandizing egoism of the very culprit in question.

 

In the end, it does not matter.  What matters is the value of the discussions we have here, and in that context I have ignored both Rram and Bill for their utter lack of contribution, as well as their compulsion toward insult and laughable attempts at condescension.

 

DF

 

Adot,

 

The Internet is where religions go to die.

 

When the false claims of religions can be examined fairly, the normally intelligent and extraordinarily brave have no choice but to reject them.  It's no wonder clerics of all stripes are railing against the very medium that makes these posts possible.  The Internet is about to break their rice bowls.

 

DF

 

I wish I'd had the internet and the support for atheists found there when I started losing my belief. I didn't know any atheists back then.

I would say the internet is really  neutral in the matter.  For those who have no faith or wish to abandon faith, it provides more of the same people. But, should someone be looking for a new faith or belief and like minds, that is also found.

Equal bidding for both sides.

DF, there is nothing fun about watching a man who is obviously very sick in the head at work on these forums all the time. One stupid mind game after another. From what I understand he is/was a business man in the Florence area in the woodworking industry and is out on the streets free to mingle with society. That's a frightening concept. That he isn't getting some help for his mental defect(s). He is a man who loves continuous attention but should receive nothing but our pity. 

 

vega is indeed Rramm and so is the 6 packk character. It's very obvious. He slips up every now and then and starts posting in that incoherent language only he knows with the grammar of that of a 1st grader. 

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"Wish to abandon faith"?

I have seen a few of you say you had faith and lost it or decided it was false. I call that abandoning faith. You may pick your own term.

What happened to Simpson? I thought he was Rramm.

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Banned. I guess they can pick him out too.