How times have changed....

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Originally posted by dogsoldier0513:
NOT!

May. 11, 1846: In an address before Congress, Pres. James K. Polk announces: Mexico has passed the boundary of the United States, has invaded our territory and shed American blood upon American soil.”

War with Mexico is formally declared within two days.

Uh...ok...funny. I actually chuckled a little bit, but I'm not sure that's what you intended.

I assume you're using this as a comparision to immigration. This was a border dispute over where TX ended and Mexico began. If I remember it was a dispute of Rio Grande or another river was the border.

The "has invaded our territory and shed American blood upon American soil.” actually turned out to be Polk sending troops...unathorized by congress...into the disputed territory and was then fired upon...more or less instigating the event.

I just thought it was 'funny' in that it 'appears' history is, perhaps, attempting to repeat itself.

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Originally posted by dogsoldier0513:
I just thought it was 'funny' in that it 'appears' history is, perhaps, attempting to repeat itself.

I know you're trying to push the hot buttons on the immigration thing...that's fine...whatever.

But this is a pretty poor example, as it really is not the same...The contemporary revelance of this would be more along the lines of a president over stepping his constitutional bounds in the use of troops and triggering an armed conflict.

This was a border dispute. And the "shedding of blood" happened in the disputed area after Polk's unauthorized movement of troops into the area. Not technically "American soil".

Polk was critized by the congress just as the war was ending for "a war unnecessarily and unconstitutionally begun by the President of the United States."

A memember of congress wanted to know the exact "spot" where this "shed American blood upon American soil" took place...and as pointed out, it came to light that it was in disputed territory.

Ironically the memeber of congress who pushed for this was the soon to be "dictator" Abraham Lincoln.

Anyway alot of comparisons could be made to modern day presidents and war...but not immigration.

Wow...another mind reader. If I really wanted to 'push the immigration button', I'd come down on the side of the Native American....the ORIGINAL 'immigrant'.

Immigration refers to the orderly, legal process of leaving one nation to establish residence in a new nation, at the behest/invitation of the new nation. What we have is NOT immigration, it is INVASION and should be responded to accordingly. Examine the demographics that have accompanied these INVADERS....Drugs, Rape, homocides (stabbings and shootings), gang activity...

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Originally posted by SHELDIVR:
Immigration refers to the orderly, legal process of leaving one nation to establish residence in a new nation, at the behest/invitation of the new nation. What we have is NOT immigration, it is INVASION and should be responded to accordingly. Examine the demographics that have accompanied these INVADERS....Drugs, Rape, homocides (stabbings and shootings), gang activity...

What's a "homocide"? Is that when someone murders a person with a certain alternative life style?

Sorry, just couldn't resist that. Too tempting a target!

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Originally posted by beternU:

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Originally posted by SHELDIVR:
Immigration refers to the orderly, legal process of leaving one nation to establish residence in a new nation, at the behest/invitation of the new nation. What we have is NOT immigration, it is INVASION and should be responded to accordingly. Examine the demographics that have accompanied these INVADERS....Drugs, Rape, homocides (stabbings and shootings), gang activity...

What's a "homocide"? Is that when someone murders a person with a certain alternative life style?

Sorry, just couldn't resist that. Too tempting a target!

Good call... You know they should never have put the "O" and "I" side by side on the qwerty key board.
Calling an Illegal Immigrant an undocumented alien is like calling a drug dealer an undocumented pharmicist.