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So PBA, are you saying congress should CREATE another Vietnam by refusing to fund the war leaving American soldiers in harms way without adequate support?
Nothing worse than someone using their right to speech in this country to say they hope our country loses this war and allows open opportunity for terrorism to breed uncontrolled.
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The real question should be "what will be gained if we stay another 2 years, or another 5 years for that matter?".
Why do you think that if the war were defunded, that Bush would leave troops there without support? That argument is absurd. Bush is crazy, but I surely hope he is not that crazy.
Congress should de-fund the war in Iraq ASAP. Without funding , Bush as Commander in Chief of the military, would have to pull troops out and hopefully return to the war against our enemies .
Yes , just declare victory and pull out. Bush has already said "mission compleated". Done !
It's obvious to me you were not around during the Vietnam era, but I was, and we should have pulled out of Vietnam 8 years before we did. If we had, we would have 30000+ more kids return to their family.
I hate to bring up an old post, but I don't stop by here that often.
You are assuming because you were around during Vietnam that makes you smarter on the war on terror? FYI - I am directly affected by what occurred in Vietnam. That was a different day and a different war.
Again, it is people like you making this war out to be another Vietnam. IT IS NOT! These are terrorists fighting against us and the Iraqi people in hopes of making enough quitters like we see here convince people that we should just up and leave.
This is giving the terrorists what they want and is not securing our future. Do you see any terror groups enjoying us being in Iraq? They want us out too. Wonder why? The world would be held hostage by terrorists cutting off oil supplies. Iran would be ready to nuke Israel if we tried to come back in.
Can people not see that backing out is the first step in letting the terrorists get what they want? That is not how our great nation has survived to this day!
Actually US intelligence reports state that intercepted al Qaeda documents show they fear a US withdrawal will dwindle down their numbers. Their was no al Qaeda cells under Saddam and they had a hard time recruiting. They actually had a hard time recruiting in most Muslim countries and were small minorities until Bush's wars and the scapegoating and persecution of Muslims in the US and West. The majority of Arab and Muslim people are peaceful and reject extremism.
Al Qaeda wants us to stay in Iraq. It has been the best recruiting tool they have had and it has helped world wide recruiting also. Actually it has given rise to even more extreme factions of al Qaeda like we saw with Zarqauwi. The brutality of their suicide campaign against Shiite civilians is unbelievable. The Iraqi insurgency which is predominately Sunni rejected al Qaeda for years and even had small skirmishes with them but since the stepped up Shiite war and death squads against Sunni they are beginning to move closer to them.
You say "The world would be held hostage by terrorists cutting off oil supplies."
So you are admitting the war is over oil. But who is actually benefiting from the oil? Exxon and the major oil companies are reporting record profits while our children die and we are gauged at the pump. This is your noble cause? Profits for the rich while the rest of us pay with blood, suffering, tears and dollars?
The "terrorists" are a small minority and have no chance of gaining control. But the longer the war drags on and the longer chaos rules the stronger they become. And even if they did control the oil they still need to sell it because they need the money for their economy. We should be off oil. It pollutes, is a major cause of Global Warming and is running out. We are wasting billions of dollars and thousands of lives fighting over a dwindling resource that is running out and will only get more costly. What kind of policy is that? Looks good if you have stock in an oil company but not for the rest of us. We should be devloping safe, renewable alternative energy sources.
That's what's in the American peoples interests.
Iran is a least 5 to 10 years from making a bomb and maybe if they are extremely lucky they will have a couple. It is estimated that Israel currently has about 400 nuclear war heads. Iran would turn into dust if they tried to nuke Israel, it's abusrd.
The reason they want a bomb is to defend themselves against the only nation in the Mideast that has been stealing land, threatening and subjugating their neighbors, invading, occupying and repressing a people and carrying out an ethnic cleansing campaign to fulfill their religious belief of recreating their bible empire, that lasted a couple hundred years at most, so their Messiah will return, Israel.
The American people are not cowards and have the stomach for any war that is truly a noble cause. Many have now seen they were lied into this war and it's about controlling the oil, which you admit, and profits for the corporations. It is exactly like Vietnam, a lie and an occupation of a country where the people don't want us and there is no chance of winning. It's a quagmire
