I've long said that often the most capable people and those who accomplish the most aren't the nicest of people and in fact at times aren't good people at all.  With that reasoning Hillary Clinton may have made the best President ever or been the most accomplished but then I deviate and actually jest.  New information is being revealed about Martin Luther King and from European sources about Secret FBI investigation tapes that may shine new light on the Civil Rights Leader and a light that is not favorable at all.  

We see people around the nation today, many minorities, that are wanting to erase people that have statues dedicated to them, from history because they are considered bad people by today's standards even though what they did was totally acceptable for the time during which they existed and lived.  Even some of our Founding Fathers, like Thomas Jefferson and others are being judged by today's standards and people are thinking differently toward them.  

It is therefore fair to wonder if MLK will get the same treatment or critique based on reported information that could possible come to light about him?  IF, and that's a big two letter word, IF he was guilty of standing by and laughing while a colleague or fellow pastor raped a parishioner how will women, minority and other, view the man who we now have a holiday for?  How will history treat this man with the new revelations IF they are true?  Will MLK somehow escape criticism where others haven't?  Even Donald Trump has been criticized over his statements about how being rich has its benefits with regards to how he can treat some ladies.  Democrats attempted to use this revelation to defeat Trump in the 2016 election but voters considered it forgivable and less an offense than those reported that Hillary did so Trump was elected and, from my standpoint, has become one of the most successful and best Presidents (Leaders) of our time and possibly of all time.  

I don't know how the rumored information, if true, will affect people's view of MLK as a Civil Rights leader or specifically as a Pastor.  I'm more concerned about the latter myself.  How does it look for a pastor to have 40 something affairs or even to be aquatinted with another pastor and condone the raping of any parishioner.  What does this say about the person as a Christian or a pastor?  The records and tapes are still secret, from what I understand, and the information about them have come from people that supposedly heard or viewed them and spoke about it.  Could be that even if they are true, given their nature, that they will never see the light of day.  If they do though does anyone really believe that they will make a difference or affect the national holiday in his honor?  If he gets the exact same treatment that Trump would or does get or the same treatment as those running around tearing down monuments give to past historical figures then maybe MLK Holiday shouldn't exist but somehow, regardless of the outcome or information, I got a feeling that nothing will change.   

MLK did some not so nice things and the ones that it may affect most are his living relatives and descendants but history, I believe, will judge him more on what he said and accomplished with respect to Civil Rights than to anything else.  One view with regards to FBI director J Edger Hoover who from the light of historical records and statements from others was an overt homosexual man, and how he remained director of the FBI through many Presidents and their terms was more because of the dirt and secret information he maintained and had on each President and leader and people in power.  If the total truth was known about our leaders and people in leadership positions I wonder how people would feel about them if everything was revealed and known?  Even about those we admire as our stars?  Generals, Singers, entertainment folks, Presidents, Congressmen and even Congresswomen.  Sometimes that old saying "Ignorance is bliss" is more relevant than ever.  Sometimes leaders and accomplished people aren't the very best of people and aren't folks that deserve the admiration that they get.  

When I think of some of our past Presidents it makes you wonder just what all kinds of information J. Edger Hoover may have had on them and what all has not come to light today that was attributed to them.  Consider some of our more successful and popular Presidents such as Franklin Roosevelt and John Kennedy as well as Richard Nixon whom the Nixon tapes, that have been made public, reveal was not a nice or even a good person it seems yet these men were effective leaders.  Some whose escapades spilled out into the national spotlight as with Bill Clinton and Monica.  If that had of happened with Donald Trump can anyone imagine the Uproar and hypocrisy that would ensue.  Even those who deliver our news about everyone else have untold numbers of Skeltons in their closets, which is why I state hypocrisy but then politics is replete of hypocrisy on both sides of the isle and it's a mainstay of politics these days.  

I still maintain and believe that Jimmy Carter was and is one of the most moral and decent men to ever be President, at least certainly of our time.  yet with the exception of Barack Obama Carter was the least effective and worst President of our time but that is a personal opinion specific to myself.  Sometimes good people don't make effective and successful leaders and sometimes it takes an evil or not so nice a person to be that successful leader.  Again given what all has been said about Hillary maybe she did have the resume to be a great President and could be specifically what Barack Obama was thinking of when he made the statement that Hillary was far more qualified to hold the office than either of them and could be the most qualified person to ever run for President.  

Be as the Bereans ( Acts 17:11 )

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people will take and believe what they want.   People also behave stupidly.  A correction President Trump's comment was people will allow you to behave certain ways because of celebrity status.    Just watch a golf tournament on TV, and see the idiots lined up just to high five a golfer.    Or if you really want to see sick behavior go to a hotel where sports teams stay and watch fans make fools of themselves.   Don't blame the rich and famous for the behavior of idiots.     

1130 posted:

people will take and believe what they want.   People also behave stupidly.  A correction President Trump's comment was people will allow you to behave certain ways because of celebrity status.    Just watch a golf tournament on TV, and see the idiots lined up just to high five a golfer.    Or if you really want to see sick behavior go to a hotel where sports teams stay and watch fans make fools of themselves.   Don't blame the rich and famous for the behavior of idiots.     

Imagine what Bill Clinton and his friends have said about women...even the little girls on his pal Epstein's island.

https://www.archives.gov/files.../104-10125-10133.pdf

It's no lie that the FBI was monitoring MLK searching for dirt. Robert and John Kennedy thought him to be a communist tool and LBJ later thought him to be a useful fool. J. Edgar Hoover let Robert Kennedy and later LBJ listen to the sex tapes.

https://www.theatlantic.com/en...r-and-mlk-jr/248319/

Will the new revelations about Martin Luther King actually have any effect on how he is seen by history and how he is treated?  Will he get a pass on the women he had and his comments on the rape that occurred right before him?  

Time will tell how he will be seen and treated but remember King's own words about being treated by a person's content of their character rather than the color of his skin.  If that measure is applied to Martin Luther King in respect of the newly revealed information that was compiled on him and his actions then how will he be judged?  Could be, if he could speak again today, he might would rather be judged on his color.  For one it's difficult to hear some of the comments about his actions and those actions of others when they were clergy or representatives of the Church but that's yet another story and topic.  Then again even bringing this up with regards to this particular man of History would today be considered racially biased.  This is the same trap people fell into with Obama.  Complaining about Obama's politics immediately would lead to accusations of racism in some people's minds.  Especially the liberal media would steer conversations that direction it seems so why would MLK be treated any differently?

Jack Hammer posted:
I'm surprised this so called new information being revealed about
him is considered new, it's already been out there. Even photos of
him sitting in a east Tennessee Communist training school.   
 
Does 'flack together' ring a bell with anyone ?

Exactly right.  Yes...that rings a bell and so does "worse kept secret". So what now? Do we demand his statue is removed and everything named after him be renamed? Only seems right.

I don't know if MLK actually did the dirty deed or not, so I guess I'll have to live another decade to find out. That is assuming the files aren't still verboten by another president's action. All things are possible with real human beings.

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