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SCOTUS: "Obamacare" subsidies are legal!

 

<<<The Supreme Court today handed the Obama administration a major victory on health care, ruling 6-3 that nationwide subsidies called for in the Affordable Care Act are legal.

 

"Congress passed the Affordable Care Act to improve health insurance markets, not to destroy them," the court's majority said in the opinion, which was written by Chief Justice John Roberts. But they acknowledged that "petitioners' arguments about the plain meaning ... are strong."

The majority opinion cited the law's "more than a few examples of inartful drafting," but added, "the context and structure of the Act compel us to depart from what would otherwise be the most natural reading of the pertinent statutory phrase."

 

Roberts was joined by the court's liberal justices, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan, as well as Anthony Kennedy.>>>>

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Originally Posted by Chuck Farley:

Huge win for every at work!!!  Insurance had tripped and spouses have been dropped!!!

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Who or what is "every at work"?   As to whatever "tripped," did it also fall?

 

Your case would be more credible if (1) it were more literate and (2) you would put up some kind of evidence or documentation to support whatever you are trying to assert.

As I have always said, we need to elect a Official Interpreter when we hold National elections. That way when anyone speaks for the Government the Interpreter can tell us what they really meant and that the laws as written are subject to the proper interpretation and not what is written or signed into law or what the words actually mean.   

Originally Posted by Contendahh:
Originally Posted by Chuck Farley:

Huge win for every at work!!!  Insurance had tripped and spouses have been dropped!!!

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Who or what is "every at work"?   As to whatever "tripped," did it also fall?

 

Your case would be more credible if (1) it were more literate and (2) you would put up some kind of evidence or documentation to support whatever you are trying to assert.

 

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Says the poster who ran away when asked to "elaborate."

 

Originally Posted by Contendahh:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

The poster that runs away when his mistakes are pointed out.

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Best, true to form, ignores substance and takes personal cheap shots in the form of vague generalities. 

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Substance? In your posts? Get real. Now then, let's see. Telling the truth about how you 'run' from your mistakes is a cheap shot, but your silly little game of constantly pointing out other's typos and making childish remarks is not you taking cheap shots? Especially since YOU make as many mistakes as anyone??

 

Who or what is "every at work"?   As to whatever "tripped," did it also fall?

 

It's 'everyone' at work, and it is 'tripled'. I guess I can tell you since you are apparently too stupid to figure it out.

Originally Posted by Contendahh:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Beternnun at it again. Go fix your own typos then get back to us.

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Best following me around again, despite her frequent denials of that practice!

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What a blithering ignoramus you truly are!  If commenting on a thread initiated by some other poster is "following [someone] around",  then it follows that everyone on every forum is following others around. 

A huge win for crony capitalism; an extremely large loss for those who pay the bill:

 

Instead of moderate rate increases for one more year, the big rate increases have begun. They are particularly large among the health insurers with the most enrollment—the carriers with the most data.

 

Texas Blue Cross stands out. The health plan commented in its federal government rate filings that it covered 730,833 Obamacare individuals in 2014 with premium of $2.1 billion and claims totaling $2.5 billion––for a medical loss ratio of 119%. The plan further commented that, after the “3Rs” reinsurance adjustments, they lost 17% to 20% of premium in 2014–that would be about $400 million. And, they are only asking for a 20% rate increase.

 

While we won’t see all of the rates in all of the states for a few months, some state regulators have begun to make the 2016 rate actions public:

 

• CareFirst Blue Cross of Maryland is asking for a 34% rate increase on its PPO plan and a 26.7% rate increase for its HMO. CareFirst has an 80% market share in the Obamacare exchange and only 30% of the eligible Maryland market has signed up on the exchange.

 

• In Oregon, where less than 35% of the eligible have signed up on the exchange, the biggest insurer with 52% of the market, Moda, has asked for a 25.6% increase. Lifewise, with a 19% market share, has asked for a 38.5% increase.

 

• Blue Cross Blue Shield of Tennessee, with a 165,000 members making up 70% of the Obamacare exchange is asking for a 36.3% increase. The second biggest player, Humana HUM +7.13%, is asking for a 15.8% increase. Less than 40% of the eligible exchange market signed up in Tennessee.

 

• Georgia is the second biggest Obamacare market for Humana, having enrolled 254,000 people out of a total market of 479,000, and Georgia “maybe its biggest misstep”. Its CEO has said about Georgia, “We can’t have one business being subsidized by another business.” Humana is asking for 2016 individual plan rate increases from 14.8% to 19.44%.

 

• In Iowa, with the lowest enrollment rates in the country, and where its biggest Obamacare insurer went broke last December, Wellmark Blue Cross, which only sells off the exchange, is asking for a 43% increase on its Obamacare compliant policies. Coventry, which has 47,000 Obamacare customers, is asking for an 18% increase for its on-exchange business.

 

• The Kansas insurance department has not made its rate increases public yet but has said that plans will increase by as much as 38%. Less than 40% of the eligible have so far enrolled.

 

• Pennsylvania is not encouraging with market leader Highmark asking for increases ranging from 13.5% to 39.65% and the Geisinger HMO asking for increases from 40.6% to 58.4%. Pennsylvania enrolled 50% of the potential exchange market in 2015.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/re...-increases-so-large/

 

Health care investors are cheering the Supreme Court's ruling today on the Affordable Care Act.

 

After the high court ruled in favor of President Obama's signature health care law, industry stocks immediately rallied on Wall Street.

 

Hospital stocks in particular stand to benefit because the ruling means fewer uninsured patients coming to the Emergency Room. HCA Holdings, which runs 165 hospitals across the country, was up 9 percent after the ruling. Universal Health Services, which has 226 hospitals including George Washington Hospital in the District, rose 7 percent, trading at $139. Tenet Healthcare, which runs facilities in 14 states, saw a 6 percent jump after the ruling.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/...-health-stocks-soar/

Originally Posted by Contendahh:

 

SCOTUS: "Obamacare" subsidies are legal!

 

<<<The Supreme Court today handed the Obama administration a major victory on health care, ruling 6-3 that nationwide subsidies called for in the Affordable Care Act are legal.

 

"Congress passed the Affordable Care Act to improve health insurance markets, not to destroy them," the court's majority said in the opinion, which was written by Chief Justice John Roberts. But they acknowledged that "petitioners' arguments about the plain meaning ... are strong."

The majority opinion cited the law's "more than a few examples of inartful drafting," but added, "the context and structure of the Act compel us to depart from what would otherwise be the most natural reading of the pertinent statutory phrase."

 

Roberts was joined by the court's liberal justices, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan, as well as Anthony Kennedy.>>>>

 

Originally Posted by direstraits:

Repeatedly, polls show the unpopularity of Obamacare.  And, that is in its now rather benign phase.  Next year, the cost are predicted to rise sharply. Companies may have to drop healthcare simply to survive.  The Dems sowed a mine field.  Then, burned the map.

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Those who concocted the plan wanted the goobermint to control the healthcare spending of everyone. It might actually save large companies money when they dump their employees into the exchanges and the poor slobs who aren't dumped won't get a raise until the devil takes up ice skating because of the increasing healthcare costs.

 

Here’s a prediction: By 2025, “fewer than 20 percent of workers in the private sector will receive traditional employer-sponsored health insurance.” The source of this claim? Dr. Ezekiel J. Emanuel, in his just-published book, “Reinventing American Health Care.”

http://boss.blogs.nytimes.com/...ng-health-insurance/

 

The Affordable Care Act could save some of America’s largest corporations hundreds of billions of dollars over the next decade, according to a market analyst group.

 

According to a report by S&P Capital IQ released Thursday, S&P 500 companies will likely move their employees from employer-provided health insurance plans to the healthcare exchanges under the Affordable Care Act, saving employers nearly $700 billion through the year 2025. If current healthcare inflation stays constant, those savings could be greater than $800 billion, researchers found.

 

Corporations are expected to start out by dropping low-wage and part-time workers from their employer insurance plans since they are able to reap the benefits of government tax subsidies under ObamaCare, leading them to pick up new plans under the healthcare law. Eventually, the burden of healthcare coverage will shift from employers to employees.

http://thehill.com/policy/heal...hundreds-of-billions

 

Originally Posted by Contendahh:
Originally Posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:

Never seen anyone so proud to be "stupid".

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And are six (count 'em!) justices of the U.S. Supreme Court "stupid" in rendering this opinion?


SCOTUS did not pass this law, stupid voters did, or so says the person who helped create it. 

 

Much like every other liberal policy, unintended consequences are now rearing their ugly heads.  The insurance companies are loving the ACA as it is basically welfare to them.  They now have a captive audience and can charge whatever they please.  Rates up, deductibles up, coverage down, profits sky high.  Congrats to the stupid voters of the USA, y'all did a great service to the very instututions you claim to be against.  BRAVO!

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Originally Posted by Contendahh:
Originally Posted by daddy joe:

my premium has gone from $558 to $1129 and my deductible went from $2500 to $4800 and co-pay went up $20 - yeah, I really feel like a winner! MORON

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Your case is very atypical. I doubt you did any careful research before selecting  your coverage.   You need to shop around.  

What's atypical about price fixing.? Insurance companies aren't in competition

with each other. No one is allowed into their area, they do what they want.

It's pay the ransom or pay the fine.

 

Originally Posted by Contendahh:
Originally Posted by jtdavis:

When the judges agree with me they are wise men who know the constitution, when they vote the other way they are communist dummies.

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A very tight and true characterization of the right wing attitude toward SCOTUS decisions, jt.

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Getting the Frick and Frack schtick together, I see. 

Originally Posted by Contendahh:
Originally Posted by daddy joe:

my premium has gone from $558 to $1129 and my deductible went from $2500 to $4800 and co-pay went up $20 - yeah, I really feel like a winner! MORON

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Your case is very atypical. I doubt you did any careful research before selecting  your coverage.   You need to shop around.  

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No, I shopped every available avenue for days.  If you think this is atypical for those of us buying individual coverage, you are very very wrong.

Originally Posted by direstraits:

Repeatedly, polls show the unpopularity of Obamacare.  And, that is in its now rather benign phase.  Next year, the cost are predicted to rise sharply. Companies may have to drop healthcare simply to survive.  The Dems sowed a mine field.  Then, burned the map.

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I think you will find that statement is only correct when people are 'polled" about "Obamacare" .
However, if the law is picked apart and the same people are asked if they support or not support the individual parts of the law without the "Obamacare" label attahed, the components of the law are very highly approved of. I seem to remember somewhere over 80%. 
This proves that the propaganda machine of Faux , and the right wing talking heads has done a wonderful job , they would make Goebbels proud.

 

The only people's rate to go down are those who get subsidies paid for by us the tax payer of course!  Also in this group are the ones who could not get coverage before because of existing illnesses.   Everyone else has had thier companies heath care slashed "to avoid the cadillac tax" or the individual plans they had perviouslly purchased go way up or be discontinued due to the law. To deny this is simply untrue.  The law was always about reducing everyone to the same coverage and making the middle class and up subsidize others.

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