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Originally posted by logical:
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Originally posted by Shoals Resident:
Poor anaology Sofa King to say the least. Although the steam cars aren't still used today there is plenty of factual evidence that they did exist. Not true with transitional evolution evidence. (Which was the point of gbrk) Just evidence that evolutionists manipulate the evidence.
Your assertion that there is no transitional evidence is simply
not true. On the contrary, there is abundant transitional evidence available.
One other Problem, Sofa King, is that ( and again not to inject Religion or at least trying to keep it out ) your analogy is totally off as the examples you used, all of them, were made by "intelligent" creators, or shall I dare say "Intelligent Design" and changes based on intelligent decisions.
I'm sorry Sofa King, from re-reading your comments it apperas that you were saing that evolution was an "intelligent" directed process so my inital saying that your totally off base was incorrect however MOST evolutionist do deny any kind of Intelligent design or Intelligent structuring of anything. They believe, like the "Big Bang" things just happen from nothing or that certainly no Intelligent creator could be behind it. I do realize that there are plenty of people that feel that God used Evolution in the creation process but those are far lesser in numbers, in the evolution community. Regarding transitional states .. neither do they exist now but they haven't ever existed. Sure there is a fossil or two that is discovered that someone plants somewhere in the middle of two other totally different fossils but in order to make that jump you would have to jump from 1% to 30% to 60% to 100% along a line of completion but IF evolution was real and factual it would be more like the concept of Limits in Calculus in that infinitesimal changes all along the time or process line would be found, not only ages ago, but CURRENTLY in the time we live as in 2010 ALL alive at the same time today as the progression from the most basic to the most complex would not be a ONE time thing but an ever constant thing. If man proceeded from Ape eons ago then there would still be transitional ape-man creatures alive and transitioning today as we live and among us, walking, breathing, and yes in fossils also. Not only ape-man but every species.
Again I'm just saying the proof is not in the pudding, so to say and sorry about the statement about your analogy, what with the "steam vehicles" but again I do realize and know that, most, evolutionist would cringe and die at the thought of "Intelligent Design" so I couldn't resist using that term with regards to your analogy.
I still am waiting for a very educated explanation as to why evolution, something that just happened (like the big bang) could decide it had achieved it's final transition from basic to complex and therefore just quit the transitioning process? IF it did decide to quite the transitioning process, therefore leaving only transitional creatures as fossils meaning none among us today, then how did it get so smart to make that decision?
Evolution would, if real, would be going on today as it did, if real, millions of years ago and would still be in infinite transitional processes but yet we just don't see it.
It's actually so simple that I'm amazed that people of such greater intelligence can't seem to allow themselves to understand or see it. Could it be that if their beliefs or foundations in evolution were to actually be challenged or, God forbid, changed then they would have to then develop another thesis of how we got here and how things were created and then the concept of Religion might actually be allowed to be called into question.
Again I apologize to all on the forum for that last statement as we are in the Miscellaneous topic and therefore I do not think it appropriate to inject any Religion into the discussion and I really don't mean or plan to so I apologize for the last statement which alluded to it. I prefer to approach the discussion about "human origins" from a logical way.
Point is I don't believe that we got here by Evolution and above is one reason why I believe that. I don't believe the evidence is or was there to back up evolution. Darwin did an excellent job proving his position but the counter point is that I believe that his detractors did a very poor job of debunking his position rather they tried to elevate their position and not counter his position with it's own merits or points rather they tried to counter his position by using a counter position, opposed to his, but one that could not possibly be proved scientifically or any other physical way.
I'm just asking everyone to set back and ( within their own mind and conscience ) reconcile the points I've tried to make and the questionings I've tried to ask about evolution. Logical and rational questions from a "not so brite" basic person that looks at something that just doesn't seem to add up right and therefore maybe someone far more intelligent can enlighten me as to my fallacy in thinking, regarding the evolutionary process.
If one also was to say that God used Evolution as a means of creation then they would have to reconcile how come the Bible remains totally silent about that creation process. Additionally it might could explain why Evolution would cease happening but it would not explain why the great number of transitional stages (infinite in number almost) are not located in fossil records. Again I just don't see the evidential proof being there to back up evolution as a creation explanation of how we all got here.