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Originally Posted by David L.:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

David, do you think there will ever come a day when the public school systems ask Christian parents what they can do the make the schools more "Christian friendly" like the do the muslims?

Oh I'm sure they would if they could!

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They would if they could eh? Why can they ask muslims but not Christians? Do you even bother to ask or is that OK with you?

Originally Posted by Scro:
Originally Posted by David L.:

And why do they always have their hands in the air and eyes closed as in ecstasy?

Emulation of what others do...it's human nature. A large part of the driving force of any religion, in my opinion.

Well that, and 'your gonna burn if you don't believe as I do.'

Isn't amazing how these people, who did no harm to anyone, gathered for a peaceful celebration, in an effort to pray to God, whom they see as their creator and Savior, in a public spot, on their own free time, are being attacked and ridiculed for their actions?  When did it become wrong or even un-American to pray? Why should they not be allowed to do this on a public spot? Is it so revolting to someone who claims to be of an alternate lifestyle to see others worship and pray? Is it detrimental to the physical well being of others around them who did not participate?  How did they hurt you or disrupt your daily routine? This country and its inhabitants would probably be a lot better off if more of us were seen on our knees praying to God to help this country instead of spending our time admonishing others on a forum.

Originally Posted by teyates:

Isn't amazing how these people, who did no harm to anyone, gathered for a peaceful celebration, in an effort to pray to God, whom they see as their creator and Savior, in a public spot, on their own free time, are being attacked and ridiculed for their actions?  When did it become wrong or even un-American to pray? Why should they not be allowed to do this on a public spot? Is it so revolting to someone who claims to be of an alternate lifestyle to see others worship and pray? Is it detrimental to the physical well being of others around them who did not participate?  How did they hurt you or disrupt your daily routine? This country and its inhabitants would probably be a lot better off if more of us were seen on our knees praying to God to help this country instead of spending our time admonishing others on a forum.

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I used to say my problem with it, and it was true, was that it opened the door to other things, such as islam. But no one seemed to care and pushed on, and now what we do have is Christianity scorned, and people bending over backwards to appease muslims. It makes me sick to my stomach to see posts such as david's. This statement-"get in the classroom and get your much-needed education and keep your religious beliefs to yourself!" insinuating people doing this are ignorant and in desperate need of "learning" is especially sickening. I guess david doesn't think muzzies need an education. They're so smart they can take a clock out of one case, put it in another, call it an "invention" and get invited to the WH. Tell me again david, about intolerant people who hate people because they're different. Or in this case, because they dared pray. 

Last edited by Bestworking
Originally Posted by Bestworking:
Originally Posted by teyates:

Isn't amazing how these people, who did no harm to anyone, gathered for a peaceful celebration, in an effort to pray to God, whom they see as their creator and Savior, in a public spot, on their own free time, are being attacked and ridiculed for their actions?  When did it become wrong or even un-American to pray? Why should they not be allowed to do this on a public spot? Is it so revolting to someone who claims to be of an alternate lifestyle to see others worship and pray? Is it detrimental to the physical well being of others around them who did not participate?  How did they hurt you or disrupt your daily routine? This country and its inhabitants would probably be a lot better off if more of us were seen on our knees praying to God to help this country instead of spending our time admonishing others on a forum.

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I used to say my problem with it, and it was true, was that it opened the door to other things, such as islam. But no one seemed to care and pushed on, and now what we do have is Christianity scorned, and people bending over backwards to appease muslims. It makes me sick to my stomach to see posts such as david's. This statement-"get in the classroom and get your much-needed education and keep your religious beliefs to yourself!" insinuating people doing this are ignorant and in desperate need of "learning" is especially sickening. I guess david doesn't think muzzies need an education. They're so smart they can take a clock out of one case, put it in another, call it an "invention" and get invited to the WH. Tell me again david, about intolerant people who hate people because they're different. Or in this case, because they dared pray. 

Oh please, no matter what I would have said, it would have sickened you! You are a very unhappy person. I wish you the best.

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Logan also said that when the school's plan was implemented, she initially heard grumbling from some Christian teachers, who reportedly told students Parkdale was "a Christian school.” But apparently the issues have since been resolved.(Translation, they found out there wasn't a **** thing they could do about it).

 

Muslim Students Allowed To Pray In Maryland High School If Grades Are Good

 

A Maryland public school has drawn attention for its attempt to accommodate Muslim students' religious needs.

Parkdale High School in Prince George’s County, Md., has begun to allow a small group of high-achieving Muslim students out of class for about eight minutes each day to pray together on campus, reports the Washington Post.

In order to qualify for the privilege, students must get parental permission and good grades, according to Parkdale Principal Cheryl J. Logan.

The First Amendment protects the separation of church and state, but it guarantees students are allowed to practice their faith, The Tennessean reported in 2012.

Hedy Weinberg, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Tennessee, told The Tennessean that while schools may restrict how and where students choose to exercise their religious rights, a school may not stop students from doing so.

"Public schools cannot prevent students from expressing religious faith while on school property," she said.

The Department of Education agrees:

It has long been established that schools have the discretion to dismiss students to off-premises religious instruction, provided that schools do not encourage or discourage participation in such instruction or penalize students for attending or not attending. Similarly, schools may excuse students from class to remove a significant burden on their religious exercise, where doing so would not impose material burdens on other students.

 
 

Still, the attempts of some American schools to accommodate the prayer needs of Muslim students has been met with resistance from parents of other faiths.

Last year a Green Bay, Wis., school district was criticized for allowing Muslim students, many of them recent immigrants, to use empty classrooms to pray during breaks, according to The Christian Post. And the mere possibility that some Muslim students would be getting similar accommodations in a district in Pennsylvania was enough to draw protest from parents, according to The Patriot-News.

In 2007, a San Diego, Calif., elementary stopped allowing its Muslim students a special prayer break after the effort drew international headlines, according to 10News.

Parkdale High's new measure has drawn the ire of conservative bloggers, like the virulently anti-Islamic Pamela Geller, whose Atlas Shrugs blog referred to the Maryland district's initiative as "Mosqueing the Public School." However, Parkdale's Principal Logan didn't bend to the inflammatory rhetoric.

Logan also said that when the school's plan was implemented, she initially heard grumbling from some Christian teachers, who reportedly told students Parkdale was "a Christian school.” But apparently the issues have since been resolved.

“I’ve been real happy with how we’ve been able to deal with it without it becoming an issue,” Logan said, according to the Washington Post.

 

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...yland_n_2583118.html

Originally Posted by David L.:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:
Originally Posted by teyates:

Isn't amazing how these people, who did no harm to anyone, gathered for a peaceful celebration, in an effort to pray to God, whom they see as their creator and Savior, in a public spot, on their own free time, are being attacked and ridiculed for their actions?  When did it become wrong or even un-American to pray? Why should they not be allowed to do this on a public spot? Is it so revolting to someone who claims to be of an alternate lifestyle to see others worship and pray? Is it detrimental to the physical well being of others around them who did not participate?  How did they hurt you or disrupt your daily routine? This country and its inhabitants would probably be a lot better off if more of us were seen on our knees praying to God to help this country instead of spending our time admonishing others on a forum.

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I used to say my problem with it, and it was true, was that it opened the door to other things, such as islam. But no one seemed to care and pushed on, and now what we do have is Christianity scorned, and people bending over backwards to appease muslims. It makes me sick to my stomach to see posts such as david's. This statement-"get in the classroom and get your much-needed education and keep your religious beliefs to yourself!" insinuating people doing this are ignorant and in desperate need of "learning" is especially sickening. I guess david doesn't think muzzies need an education. They're so smart they can take a clock out of one case, put it in another, call it an "invention" and get invited to the WH. Tell me again david, about intolerant people who hate people because they're different. Or in this case, because they dared pray. 

Oh please, no matter what I would have said, it would have sickened you! You are a very unhappy person. I wish you the best.

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Wishes from a bitter pill like you? I'll pass. Just what is it that leads you to think I'm unhappy? The fact that I can't stand hypocrites? 

Last edited by Bestworking
Originally Posted by David L.:

This is what church is for - get in the classroom and get your much-needed education and keep your religious beliefs to yourself!

And why do they always have their hands in the air and eyes closed as in ecstasy?

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David , the law is clear on this matter. Activities like "see you at the pole" are permissible on public school property when such activities are student-initiated and student-led and do not interfere with normal school activities.  And of course, similar activities could be undertaken by Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Shintoists, Rosicrucians, Druids, Wiccans, Sikhs, Animists, Rastafarians (no weed allowed though), or any and all of scores of adherents to the plethora of diverse belief systems extant and active in this multicultural world.

 

The KEY element is that such activities must not be initiated, organized, supervised, or controlled by GOVERNMENT, and a public school system IS an arm of GOVERNMENT.

 

An example of an unlawful religious exercise is the activity initiated by a school official in Cullman, who initiated a "prayer caravan" a year or so ago, whereby a motorcade of cars driven by parents of public school students would travel from school to school and stop and have some kind of religious service at each stop.  Among other things, the school official used his official e-mail as an aid in organizing this affair. The "prayer caravan" was tainted in several ways by the direct involvement of GOVERNMENT and thus was illegal!

 

All too often, in Alabama and elsewhere, public school officials and classroom teachers violate the legal principles governing student religious activity in the public school setting.  Then, when they get slapped down, they whine about having their religious liberty infringed.  The public school systems need to do a better job of educating their officials and other employees on this subject.

 

As to the hands in the air and the eyes closed, that is something that some students with a "charismatic" Christian background do and it is a natural "target"  for news photographers covering these events, but there are typically many more attendees who do not carry on with these ecstatic

manifestations. A student just standing calmly in place and being attentive is not a very newsy photo subject.

 

One more thing: to those who moan and complain that "They have taken God out of the schools," I submit the "meet me at the pole" observance as Exhibit 1 that this has not happened.

Last edited by Contendahh
Originally Posted by teyates:

Isn't amazing how these people, who did no harm to anyone, gathered for a peaceful celebration, in an effort to pray to God, whom they see as their creator and Savior, in a public spot, on their own free time, are being attacked and ridiculed for their actions?  When did it become wrong or even un-American to pray? Why should they not be allowed to do this on a public spot? Is it so revolting to someone who claims to be of an alternate lifestyle to see others worship and pray? Is it detrimental to the physical well being of others around them who did not participate?  How did they hurt you or disrupt your daily routine? This country and its inhabitants would probably be a lot better off if more of us were seen on our knees praying to God to help this country instead of spending our time admonishing others on a forum.

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You were so close to a Stop Making Sense Award. 

Originally Posted by David L.:

This is what church is for - get in the classroom and get your much-needed education and keep your religious beliefs to yourself!

And why do they always have their hands in the air and eyes closed as in ecstasy?

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Church isn't the only place people can & do pray. My husband prays at home, because he wants to & because the Bible tells him to. There's a scripture in Matthew that says when you pray, enter into your closet & close the door behind you. 

 

In the book of Psalms it speaks in several scriptures of raised hands, "Because your steadfast love is better than life, my lips will praise you. So I will bless you as long as I live; I will lift up my hands and call on your name" Another scripture in Psalms, the congregation is exhorted to lift their hands in worship of God: "Come, bless the Lord, all you servants of the Lord . . . lift up your hands to the holy place, and bless the Lord".

 

Another scripture is “I stretch out my hands to you; my soul thirsts for you like a parched land". Raised hands in worship suggest a reaching out for God's presence, blessing, comfort, or strength, which is usually done during prayer & the worship service. The raising of hands for this purpose is common during songs of praise, & most times you will hear people “speaking in tongues”, also spoken of in scriptures. Raising of hands & speaking in tongues was a common practice in the early church & not just a certain kind of church but all of them.

 

Worship is meant to be an act of praising God in celebration, or at least, that’s what the Bible indicates. More & more Baptist & Methodist churches are doing this way of worship. Some churches frown against it, especially the COC.

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