Mayor Shoemaker hasn't relieved the police chief of his duties yet,mayor you set NO example and you are disgrace.
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I encourage EVERYONE to flood the Tuscumbia Cty Council with complaints and to call in to the TD "You said it" and write editorials...This is insanity,Shoemaker and Logan both must go and go now,NOW
quote:Originally posted by Matted Down Weirdo:
Mayor Shoemaker hasn't relieved the police chief of his duties yet,mayor you set NO example and you are disgrace.
First of all there is already a forum on this subject.
Second of all how can Shoemaker get rid of one department head when he has another not following the SOP's? The Fire Chief steals from the city by taking pay for work he doesnt do and the mayor allows this. So what is good for one is good for all!!
looks like Tuscumbia is turning out like Cherokee.
At this point, what difference does it make? He will still be paid, regardless of his status, until he appeals hearing. At least he will be earning his pay if he's still on the job.
I find it completely unexcusable that individuals with alleged "higher educations" conduct themselves in such manner. The mayor of Tuscumbia should already know what to do...Cheif Logan shouldn't have to be fired, he should man up and resign like a proper professional should in his position. For those arguing that what he does in is own time is his business....Grow up! Cheif Logan or ANY high level law enforcement officer have the highest standards to live up to, including off duty! What if an emergency situation arised at Tuscumbia and he was needed? A .272% BAC is not just drunk but barely below the level at which he would have directly taken to the nearest hospital! If your BAC is that high, you have SERIOUS alcohol problems...and we all know where that leads! My prediction...Cheif Logan will appeal the conviction then be embarassed in Circuit Court with a conviction...Which in turn will be an total embarassement for his family, the City of Tuscumbia and all local law enforcement officers!
I'm not sure why we needed a FOURTH topic on this, but I see in this morning's TD, that Tim Case is questioning the chain of custody. That means he's basically accusing someone of adding alcohol to Logan's blood sample between the time it was drawn and the time it was analyzed. It also means that Logan is paying Case for what is essentially an appeal based on male bovus excrement.
It further means that the citizens of Lauderdale County will be footing the bill for a circuit court trial for Logan. Yes, a trial in circuit court where three murder cases were postponed from March to May. Well, we all have our priorities. It would seem that Logan's is getting out of this no matter whom is hurt or suffers from his denials.
It further means that the citizens of Lauderdale County will be footing the bill for a circuit court trial for Logan. Yes, a trial in circuit court where three murder cases were postponed from March to May. Well, we all have our priorities. It would seem that Logan's is getting out of this no matter whom is hurt or suffers from his denials.
Just another case of the "good ole boy" system Tuscumbia is known for. My guess is that Mayor Shoemaker looked at the personnel regulations when this all first happened and is using this as a stall tactic. If he hasn't looked at it in this length of time then he certainly should have. Just shows that either this isn't a big concern to him or else he is trying to help the "good ole boy." All Tuscumbia police officers should be laughed in the face every time they try to show any authority. If the police chief doesn't have to obey the law how can Tuscumbia possibly expect any citizen to obey it? Another huge embarrassment for Tuscumbia!!!
It's simple... Give him the option of resigning or being relieved of his duties. Do it now.
quote:Originally posted by myword:quote:Originally posted by Matted Down Weirdo:
Mayor Shoemaker hasn't relieved the police chief of his duties yet,mayor you set NO example and you are disgrace.
First of all there is already a forum on this subject.
Second of all how can Shoemaker get rid of one department head when he has another not following the SOP's? The Fire Chief steals from the city by taking pay for work he doesnt do and the mayor allows this. So what is good for one is good for all!!
looks like Tuscumbia is turning out like Cherokee.
Hay leave Cherokee out of this. We do not have a drunk as police chief. All of our drunks are on the city council.
........Your quote.."all Tuscumbia police officers should be laughed at every time they try to show any authority"....How dare you insult all the officers!!quote:Originally posted by Shoals Resident:
Just another case of the "good ole boy" system Tuscumbia is known for. My guess is that Mayor Shoemaker looked at the personnel regulations when this all first happened and is using this as a stall tactic. If he hasn't looked at it in this length of time then he certainly should have. Just shows that either this isn't a big concern to him or else he is trying to help the "good ole boy." All Tuscumbia police officers should be laughed in the face every time they try to show any authority. If the police chief doesn't have to obey the law how can Tuscumbia possibly expect any citizen to obey it? Another huge embarrassment for Tuscumbia!!!
so, you think that police officers shouldnt have the same rights as everyone else? that only non-drinkers should be policemen? If you were off work and were arrested for DUI would you lose your job? why should he? should your boss be fired for not firing you? i wouldnt think so, but yet you are advocating firing two people for what one did ON HIS OWN TIME!
If you worked for Wise, TVA or TD and got a DUI you would probably NOT be fired...more likely, you'd pay your fine and keep your job. How many times has Chief Logan been arrested/charged for DUI..??
quote:Originally posted by Shoals Resident:
All Tuscumbia police officers should be laughed in the face every time they try to show any authority.
Why punish the other officers for Logan's conduct?
I'm sure he's an embarrassment to most, if not all of them.
well here his my 2cents worth if he is guilty and charged with DUI he should loose his job because his job requires him to DRIVE he will not be able to because he will not have driver license anymore it is just plain & simple
quote:Originally posted by N2CROME:
well here his my 2cents worth if he is guilty and charged with DUI he should loose his job because his job requires him to DRIVE he will not be able to because he will not have driver license anymore it is just plain & simple
You're right. If a truck driver employed for Wal-Mart gets convicted of a DUI and loses his license does anyone think they would keep him on the payroll?
... and firing him would not be "double jeopardy".quote:Originally posted by Jon:
I was schooled yesterday by Lawguy so I did some reading on the subject. His drivers license will be suspended for 60 days.
So, according to your thinking, when, as a kid, you got in trouble at school, then got in trouble at home when your parents found out about it, was a violation of your constitutional rights?quote:Originally posted by Jon:
according to the original intent or some politician/court justices view?
I'd forgotten to think that our rights under the constitution have been steadily erroded over the last 100 years.
Or better yet, according to your (wishful) definition, paying a fine AND being put on probation is being punished multiple times for the same crime --- double jeopardy, right?
quote:Originally posted by Jon:
...not to ruin my life and take my future livelyhood away.
If Logan loses hid job he has NO ONE to blame but himself.
And I'm thinking that losing his job is just a piece-of-the-pie as far a "ruining his life". I hope he straightens himself out, dries out, and gets his life in order. But he does not "deserve" a job just because he thinks he deserves it. People have, and will continue to be, fired for much, much, much less than what Mr. Logan did.
How big of a lawsuit do you think Tuscumbia would be facing today if he had maimed or killed someone while he was driving staggering drunk in a city-owned car?
Okay, my bad. I was thinking he was driving a city-owned car. Still, if he's fired, he has NO ONE to blame but the man in the mirror.quote:Originally posted by Jon:
Now you are making things up. I read that he was in his 1999 honda civic I think
Joy made nothing up,Joy said IF and Joy needs commended for not foolishly defending what is wrong.
quote:Originally posted by Jon:
I'm venturing a guess that Wal-Mart has a policy stating that a driver convicted of DUI can be fired.
Since we are several days past Logan's conviction and he hasn't been fired yet, I don't think Tuscumbia does. I'm also willing to bet that they didn't even think to make a valid drivers license a requirement of the employment of the police chief. Funny how things you never think to expect to happen usually do.
I was schooled yesterday by Lawguy so I did some reading on the subject. His drivers license will be suspended for 60 days.
A Police Chief does NOT have to have a driver's license to function...in most cities, the chief is a manager/administrator and does not routinely patrol. In my estimation, many people, probably some commenting here, have been guilty of drinking and driving, some even arrested, and being fired for that offense is rare. I don't understand why police officers are held to more stringent laws/rules in the minds of those who believe this man's life/career should be destroyed over this incident. I have already stated that he should pay the fine (lose his license for 60 days)but in my opinion Chief Logan should keep his job.
I wonder if Logan would agree to be drug/alchohol tested every day as he arrives to and leaves from work?
I dought someone as a Tony would hire someone to take him to work everyday or if family could take him everyday In My Opinion he should be let go . If he drives anytime he would be braken the Law for that time period. OR suppend him for 60days no pay
Apples and oranges.quote:Originally posted by Jon:
How does this story compare to Tony Logan's story? He's a former deputy chief for Florence, I don't know the story but don't think he left on good terms. When FPD arrived, where was Tony on his personal property. Where was HIS car, on personal property.
Logan's 'offense' and damage occurred on public right-of-way. He then committed ANOTHER violation for continuing to drive onto his private property. He should have also been charged with "leaving the scene of an accident", "fleeing" and anything else they could think of.
He broke the law and with his reckless actions put the lives of innocent civiliants in danger. This was not a "few drinks with dinner" situation. He was almost THREE TIMES the legal limit. To "protect and to serve"? HAH!
.........I agree!!quote:Originally posted by SHELDIVR:quote:Originally posted by Jon:
I'm venturing a guess that Wal-Mart has a policy stating that a driver convicted of DUI can be fired.
Since we are several days past Logan's conviction and he hasn't been fired yet, I don't think Tuscumbia does. I'm also willing to bet that they didn't even think to make a valid drivers license a requirement of the employment of the police chief. Funny how things you never think to expect to happen usually do.
I was schooled yesterday by Lawguy so I did some reading on the subject. His drivers license will be suspended for 60 days.
A Police Chief does NOT have to have a driver's license to function...in most cities, the chief is a manager/administrator and does not routinely patrol. In my estimation, many people, probably some commenting here, have been guilty of drinking and driving, some even arrested, and being fired for that offense is rare. I don't understand why police officers are held to more stringent laws/rules in the minds of those who believe this man's life/career should be destroyed over this incident. I have already stated that he should pay the fine (lose his license for 60 days)but in my opinion Chief Logan should keep his job.
quote:Originally posted by Jon:
Do you think the guy I reported was beamed down from the Enterprise? The fast food restaurant we were at does not sell alcohol. He drove there from where ever he got drunk.
Only difference was he wasn't a cool target to arrest. Wonder why the FPD didn't call the TD that night.
I'd be willing to bet there is atleast 1 DUI everyday in the Shoals area. Why is this one the only one reported on? If you are so concerned about innocent civilians, don't you think we ought to know everyone's name, address, face and car information that gets a DUI so we can protect ourselves from them?
Jon, you need to look up the term public figure. Any elected official or anybody who works as head of a govt agengy or anybody in the care of govt (prisoners, mental pts.), anybody who has gone through the court system is a public figure.
If the TD hadn't reported more ppl would be saying it was a coverup. Logan knew he would be a public figure when he took the job. End of that story.
quote:Originally posted by DarkVader:quote:Originally posted by N2CROME:
I dought someone as a Tony would hire someone to take him to work everyday or if family could take him everyday In My Opinion he should be let go . If he drives anytime he would be braken the Law for that time period. OR suppend him for 60days no pay
Wow. Are you drunk now?
Oh my goodness.
Now that is funny. I wouldnt want N2CROME on my side.quote:Movie stars are public figures, should they be more severly punished and banned from ever working as an actor again if they get DUI.
Movies stars are in the public eye, they are not in public office.
What is the line? If he had murdered someone should Tuscumbia wait 20 years for him to serve out his sentence and let him come back to work? I know that is a little overboard, but he did take an oath to uphold the law. Few other jobs do that. DUIs were once a carrer ender in the military, especially for officers, because they had taken an oath to uphold the law. Not sure if they still are today.
Are you trying to dodge and deflect or do you just not get it? The 'event' happened on private property at the fast food place. For Logan, he was on the PUBLIC roadway when he wrecked. There is a legal difference.quote:Originally posted by Jon:
Do you think the guy I reported was beamed down from the Enterprise? The fast food restaurant we were at does not sell alcohol. He drove there from where ever he got drunk.
Only difference was he wasn't a cool target to arrest. Wonder why the FPD didn't call the TD that night.
I'd be willing to bet there is atleast 1 DUI everyday in the Shoals area. Why is this one the only one reported on? If you are so concerned about innocent civilians, don't you think we ought to know everyone's name, address, face and car information that gets a DUI so we can protect ourselves from them?
quote:Originally posted by Jon:
ROFL. Really? Movie stars are public figures, should they be more severly punished and banned from ever working as an actor again if they get DUI. Please either say yes or that they aren't public figures.. Your previous post was halarious. That would be perfect.
Movie stars are not sworn "To serve and protect". Then again, apparently Logan could not care less about the public - or he wouldn't be out driving at 3 times the legal limit, now would he?
Jon, Chief Singleton said he bounced into his Tuscumbia police car in his yard. That car didn't belong to him. Others said he damaged some of the neighbors propety. This was probably just little stuff, flower bed or something, but its still damage. If you look Singleton has been quoted word for word on here (from WHNT). Who's paying for the police car damage?
As for public figures being treated differently under libel laws that's the law, Jon. You need to read more.
Tuscumbia has to sue him to get their car fixed and they shouldn't fire him?
quote:Originally posted by Alphonse:quote:Movie stars are public figures, should they be more severly punished and banned from ever working as an actor again if they get DUI.
Movies stars are in the public eye, they are not in public office.
What is the line? If he had murdered someone should Tuscumbia wait 20 years for him to serve out his sentence and let him come back to work? I know that is a little overboard, but he did take an oath to uphold the law. Few other jobs do that. DUIs were once a carrer ender in the military, especially for officers, because they had taken an oath to uphold the law. Not sure if they still are today.
Well, our justice system turned Tommy Arthur out on ""work release" after he shot up some folks in Haleyville, and he had enough free time on his hands to get to know Judy and Troy Wicker. Tommy is a career criminal, Tony is a police chief...Tony was not "on duty" when this incident happened. He should pay the fine and his license be restored at the appropriate time if he keeps a clean record. Tuscumbia's police commissioner and/or Civil Service Board could place a letter of reprimand in his personnel file requiring him to remain clean for a "probationary" period. Failing to meet these requirements could result in immediate dismissal. If Tony needs Bradford Rehab then that needs to be a condition of continued employment. I think Tony doesn't have many friends in Florence, and fewer in the upper ranks of Florence PD...might be a good idea to stay out of Florene...works for me...
If the Tuscumbia mayor is (Fill in the blank) nough to retain Logan, Logan should be required to take a breathalyzer test every morning as he starts his shift and every evening as he ends his shift.
The Tuscumbia Police Chief was arrested for DUI and the mayor will not fire him. A Tuscumbia Police dispatcher was just fired for stealing gas from the city pump. The dispatcher should have been arrested for theft. The gas belongs to the taxpayer’s. Chief Logan is such a nice person he did not want to make the arrest. Cherokee now has a town it can laugh at.
quote:Originally posted by colbertcounty1:
The Tuscumbia Police Chief was arrested for DUI and the mayor will not fire him. A Tuscumbia Police dispatcher was just fired for stealing gas from the city pump. The dispatcher should have been arrested for theft. The gas belongs to the taxpayer’s. Chief Logan is such a nice person he did not want to make the arrest. Cherokee now has a town it can laugh at.
They didnt arrest him because he was an employee and they fired him. How do you know that charges havent been brought against him? That is right you dont!!!! So check your facts before speaking. This is a discussion board not a rumor board.
Jon, Jon, Jon,quote:Originally posted by Jon:
This is not a bad idea if there is a policy that states such. Otherwise, isn't there something about search and seizure, probable cause, and self incrimination.
You sound like a frustrated (and uninformed lawyer-wanna-be).
You previously declared Logan didn't have his drivers license suspended. Wrong. License was suspended.
You previously being fired for this offense would be "double jeopardy". Wrong. Case law shows otherwise.
Now you're talking search and seizure, probable cause, and self incrimination if Tuscumbia makes regular drug tests a part of his continued employment. Heck, they should give him a BONUS for all the FREE publicity he brought to Tuscumbia over this. Right?
I thought I responded to this thread, couldn't find my post, but then found the other thread. I hate it when we have multiple threads on the same subject. ANYway, I'm just adding what I did on the other thread...
I hate for someone to not be given a second chance. It also appears he may need help with addiction.
I agree that he should step down from his position as Chief of Police. If it were up to me & thank goodness it's not, I'd suspend him for an applicable time period until he gets the help he needs. If he doesn't get the help, then I'd let him go.
JMHO
I hate for someone to not be given a second chance. It also appears he may need help with addiction.
I agree that he should step down from his position as Chief of Police. If it were up to me & thank goodness it's not, I'd suspend him for an applicable time period until he gets the help he needs. If he doesn't get the help, then I'd let him go.
JMHO
You're just making things up and attributing things to me that I haven't told you.quote:Originally posted by Jon:quote:Originally posted by JOY4567:
You sound like a frustrated (and uninformed lawyer-wanna-be).
You previously declared Logan didn't have his drivers license suspended. Wrong. License was suspended.
You previously being fired for this offense would be "double jeopardy". Wrong. Case law shows otherwise.
Now you're talking search and seizure, probable cause, and self incrimination if Tuscumbia makes regular drug tests a part of his continued employment. Heck, they should give him a BONUS for all the FREE publicity he brought to Tuscumbia over this. Right?
Yawn. You are all it if this and if that huh?
I don't want to be and have no intention of being a lawyer. You sound just as uniformed and take others word for things. You never answered, have you ever read the constitution?
You sure his license has been suspended or are you taking somebody else word/research for it?
It indeed used to be considered double jeopardy. And may again be one day. Depends on who gets to appoint the SCJ's as they retire.
Here's my opinion, which is what these forums are for right?
Should he be given a bonus? No,
Should he be more severly punished than the next guy? no
Can Tuscumbia make up what they want to do with him now? No, I'm pretty sure they need to already have a policy to follow if they want to punish him.
Is my opinion going to determine what happens next to TL? no
Is yours? no
Does that upset me? no
Does it upset you? obviously.
Do you think it is right and legal to punish one person more than the next? yes
Do I? no
Do you think TL should lose his job for breaking the law? yes
Do you think you should? No
What does that make you? (fill in the blank)
Are you going to get the last word in this debate? probably, I think it would kill you not to.
Oh, do you not remember this exchange on another thread on this IDENTICAL subject?
quote:Posted by lawguy07:
Judges don't suspend driver licenses. The Dept. of Public Safety does that. And if the conviction stands, it will be suspended if it hasn't already.
To serve and protect? Not in Logan's case...
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