Mayor Shoemaker hasn't relieved the police chief of his duties yet,mayor you set NO example and you are disgrace.
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quote:Originally posted by Matted Down Weirdo:
Mayor Shoemaker hasn't relieved the police chief of his duties yet,mayor you set NO example and you are disgrace.
quote:Originally posted by myword:quote:Originally posted by Matted Down Weirdo:
Mayor Shoemaker hasn't relieved the police chief of his duties yet,mayor you set NO example and you are disgrace.
First of all there is already a forum on this subject.
Second of all how can Shoemaker get rid of one department head when he has another not following the SOP's? The Fire Chief steals from the city by taking pay for work he doesnt do and the mayor allows this. So what is good for one is good for all!!
looks like Tuscumbia is turning out like Cherokee.
........Your quote.."all Tuscumbia police officers should be laughed at every time they try to show any authority"....How dare you insult all the officers!!quote:Originally posted by Shoals Resident:
Just another case of the "good ole boy" system Tuscumbia is known for. My guess is that Mayor Shoemaker looked at the personnel regulations when this all first happened and is using this as a stall tactic. If he hasn't looked at it in this length of time then he certainly should have. Just shows that either this isn't a big concern to him or else he is trying to help the "good ole boy." All Tuscumbia police officers should be laughed in the face every time they try to show any authority. If the police chief doesn't have to obey the law how can Tuscumbia possibly expect any citizen to obey it? Another huge embarrassment for Tuscumbia!!!
quote:Originally posted by Shoals Resident:
All Tuscumbia police officers should be laughed in the face every time they try to show any authority.
quote:Originally posted by N2CROME:
well here his my 2cents worth if he is guilty and charged with DUI he should loose his job because his job requires him to DRIVE he will not be able to because he will not have driver license anymore it is just plain & simple
... and firing him would not be "double jeopardy".quote:Originally posted by Jon:
I was schooled yesterday by Lawguy so I did some reading on the subject. His drivers license will be suspended for 60 days.
So, according to your thinking, when, as a kid, you got in trouble at school, then got in trouble at home when your parents found out about it, was a violation of your constitutional rights?quote:Originally posted by Jon:
according to the original intent or some politician/court justices view?
I'd forgotten to think that our rights under the constitution have been steadily erroded over the last 100 years.
quote:Originally posted by Jon:
...not to ruin my life and take my future livelyhood away.
Okay, my bad. I was thinking he was driving a city-owned car. Still, if he's fired, he has NO ONE to blame but the man in the mirror.quote:Originally posted by Jon:
Now you are making things up. I read that he was in his 1999 honda civic I think
quote:Originally posted by Jon:
I'm venturing a guess that Wal-Mart has a policy stating that a driver convicted of DUI can be fired.
Since we are several days past Logan's conviction and he hasn't been fired yet, I don't think Tuscumbia does. I'm also willing to bet that they didn't even think to make a valid drivers license a requirement of the employment of the police chief. Funny how things you never think to expect to happen usually do.
I was schooled yesterday by Lawguy so I did some reading on the subject. His drivers license will be suspended for 60 days.
Apples and oranges.quote:Originally posted by Jon:
How does this story compare to Tony Logan's story? He's a former deputy chief for Florence, I don't know the story but don't think he left on good terms. When FPD arrived, where was Tony on his personal property. Where was HIS car, on personal property.
.........I agree!!quote:Originally posted by SHELDIVR:quote:Originally posted by Jon:
I'm venturing a guess that Wal-Mart has a policy stating that a driver convicted of DUI can be fired.
Since we are several days past Logan's conviction and he hasn't been fired yet, I don't think Tuscumbia does. I'm also willing to bet that they didn't even think to make a valid drivers license a requirement of the employment of the police chief. Funny how things you never think to expect to happen usually do.
I was schooled yesterday by Lawguy so I did some reading on the subject. His drivers license will be suspended for 60 days.
A Police Chief does NOT have to have a driver's license to function...in most cities, the chief is a manager/administrator and does not routinely patrol. In my estimation, many people, probably some commenting here, have been guilty of drinking and driving, some even arrested, and being fired for that offense is rare. I don't understand why police officers are held to more stringent laws/rules in the minds of those who believe this man's life/career should be destroyed over this incident. I have already stated that he should pay the fine (lose his license for 60 days)but in my opinion Chief Logan should keep his job.
quote:Originally posted by Jon:
Do you think the guy I reported was beamed down from the Enterprise? The fast food restaurant we were at does not sell alcohol. He drove there from where ever he got drunk.
Only difference was he wasn't a cool target to arrest. Wonder why the FPD didn't call the TD that night.
I'd be willing to bet there is atleast 1 DUI everyday in the Shoals area. Why is this one the only one reported on? If you are so concerned about innocent civilians, don't you think we ought to know everyone's name, address, face and car information that gets a DUI so we can protect ourselves from them?
quote:Originally posted by DarkVader:quote:Originally posted by N2CROME:
I dought someone as a Tony would hire someone to take him to work everyday or if family could take him everyday In My Opinion he should be let go . If he drives anytime he would be braken the Law for that time period. OR suppend him for 60days no pay
Wow. Are you drunk now?
quote:Movie stars are public figures, should they be more severly punished and banned from ever working as an actor again if they get DUI.
Are you trying to dodge and deflect or do you just not get it? The 'event' happened on private property at the fast food place. For Logan, he was on the PUBLIC roadway when he wrecked. There is a legal difference.quote:Originally posted by Jon:
Do you think the guy I reported was beamed down from the Enterprise? The fast food restaurant we were at does not sell alcohol. He drove there from where ever he got drunk.
Only difference was he wasn't a cool target to arrest. Wonder why the FPD didn't call the TD that night.
I'd be willing to bet there is atleast 1 DUI everyday in the Shoals area. Why is this one the only one reported on? If you are so concerned about innocent civilians, don't you think we ought to know everyone's name, address, face and car information that gets a DUI so we can protect ourselves from them?
quote:Originally posted by Jon:
ROFL. Really? Movie stars are public figures, should they be more severly punished and banned from ever working as an actor again if they get DUI. Please either say yes or that they aren't public figures.. Your previous post was halarious. That would be perfect.
quote:Originally posted by Alphonse:quote:Movie stars are public figures, should they be more severly punished and banned from ever working as an actor again if they get DUI.
Movies stars are in the public eye, they are not in public office.
What is the line? If he had murdered someone should Tuscumbia wait 20 years for him to serve out his sentence and let him come back to work? I know that is a little overboard, but he did take an oath to uphold the law. Few other jobs do that. DUIs were once a carrer ender in the military, especially for officers, because they had taken an oath to uphold the law. Not sure if they still are today.
quote:Originally posted by colbertcounty1:
The Tuscumbia Police Chief was arrested for DUI and the mayor will not fire him. A Tuscumbia Police dispatcher was just fired for stealing gas from the city pump. The dispatcher should have been arrested for theft. The gas belongs to the taxpayer’s. Chief Logan is such a nice person he did not want to make the arrest. Cherokee now has a town it can laugh at.
Jon, Jon, Jon,quote:Originally posted by Jon:
This is not a bad idea if there is a policy that states such. Otherwise, isn't there something about search and seizure, probable cause, and self incrimination.
You're just making things up and attributing things to me that I haven't told you.quote:Originally posted by Jon:quote:Originally posted by JOY4567:
You sound like a frustrated (and uninformed lawyer-wanna-be).
You previously declared Logan didn't have his drivers license suspended. Wrong. License was suspended.
You previously being fired for this offense would be "double jeopardy". Wrong. Case law shows otherwise.
Now you're talking search and seizure, probable cause, and self incrimination if Tuscumbia makes regular drug tests a part of his continued employment. Heck, they should give him a BONUS for all the FREE publicity he brought to Tuscumbia over this. Right?
Yawn. You are all it if this and if that huh?
I don't want to be and have no intention of being a lawyer. You sound just as uniformed and take others word for things. You never answered, have you ever read the constitution?
You sure his license has been suspended or are you taking somebody else word/research for it?
It indeed used to be considered double jeopardy. And may again be one day. Depends on who gets to appoint the SCJ's as they retire.
Here's my opinion, which is what these forums are for right?
Should he be given a bonus? No,
Should he be more severly punished than the next guy? no
Can Tuscumbia make up what they want to do with him now? No, I'm pretty sure they need to already have a policy to follow if they want to punish him.
Is my opinion going to determine what happens next to TL? no
Is yours? no
Does that upset me? no
Does it upset you? obviously.
Do you think it is right and legal to punish one person more than the next? yes
Do I? no
Do you think TL should lose his job for breaking the law? yes
Do you think you should? No
What does that make you? (fill in the blank)
Are you going to get the last word in this debate? probably, I think it would kill you not to.
quote:Posted by lawguy07:
Judges don't suspend driver licenses. The Dept. of Public Safety does that. And if the conviction stands, it will be suspended if it hasn't already.