If Conservatism Is The Ideology of Freedom, I'm The Queen of England

Tell you what, you keep the kazillion and send me the trillion.

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Originally posted by skymaster:
You would not have any money. The democrats are the party of lies.

I think both lie! Why just the democrats? Republicans have done their share of lying! You can start with Bush!

This is a great article. I've often wondered how ultra-conservatives define the word "freedom."

My favorite part:

"Indeed, you have to be more or less deaf, dumb and blind - or perhaps simply watching Fox every night for your ‘news’ (which produces the same result) - to buy into this rhetoric from the theater of the absurd. Let me reiterate: If you think these monsters who are depriving you of your liberties at every opportunity represent freedom, then you need to bow, scrape and walk backwards in my presence, as a sign of respect for the British crown. I’ll take a bunch of your money, too. Palaces aren’t cheap to maintain, buddy."

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Originally posted by Blue Hornet:
This is a great article. I've often wondered how ultra-conservatives define the word "freedom."

My favorite part:

"Indeed, you have to be more or less deaf, dumb and blind - or perhaps simply watching Fox every night for your ‘news’ (which produces the same result) - to buy into this rhetoric from the theater of the absurd. Let me reiterate: If you think these monsters who are depriving you of your liberties at every opportunity represent freedom, then you need to bow, scrape and walk backwards in my presence, as a sign of respect for the British crown. I’ll take a bunch of your money, too. Palaces aren’t cheap to maintain, buddy."

You got that right!

I like what this part of the article had to say.

Meanwhile, here’s what I’d like to know:

If conservatism is the ideology of freedom, how come they’re the ones who fought against the American Revolution?

If conservatism is the ideology of freedom, how come they’re the ones who are always trying to take that freedom away from us, especially women and minorities? Why did they fight against the effort to end slavery, or to give women and minorities the vote, or to protect them from discrimination? Why are they still supporting efforts to disenfranchise minorities?

If conservatism is the ideology of freedom, how come they’re the ones who bitterly opposed the New Deal at a time when Americans were ravaged by the Great Depression and the only freedom they were desperately seeking was from unemployment, starvation, humiliation and death? We should give thanks for their efforts ever since then, though, as they’ve been kind enough to keep trying to liberate seniors from the hell of receiving their Social Security benefits, bravely volunteering Wall Street to carry that burden instead.

If conservatism is the ideology of freedom, how come they’re the ones who are always propping up foreign dictators, like Saddam, Musharraf, Mubarak, Marcos, Pinochet, the Shah, Batista, the House of Saud and apartheid South Africa? Why did they, in some of these cases, secretly topple democratically elected governments to install repressive regimes, which they then assisted in the torturing of their own citizens? Exactly which definition of ‘freedom’ does that fall under?

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Originally posted by skymaster:
I saw a book for sale the other day that applies to both of you. The name of the book is

If democrats had brains they would be Republicans.

Peter, you are a ok guy! but a nut case!

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Originally posted by skymaster:
I saw a book for sale the other day that applies to both of you. The name of the book is

If democrats had brains they would be Republicans.

Hey, I wondered how we could get some Republicans with brains--this sounds like as good a way as any!

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Originally posted by Blue Hornet:

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Originally posted by skymaster:
I saw a book for sale the other day that applies to both of you. The name of the book is

If democrats had brains they would be Republicans.

Hey, I wondered how we could get some Republicans with brains--this sounds like as good a way as any!

The republicans that are in the center are coming around and waking up to what is taking place. It is the far right republicans who will never be saved from the propaganda from fox news.

Well, conservatism has traditionally been known as the philosophy of strict adherence to the concept of individual rights, and, arguably, it may have been long ago, but not that I've noticed in all of my years. Certainly these days it's a philosophy of ultimate privilege for the elite few, at the expense of the subjugation of the great, "unwashed masses". As an irrelevent side note,, Libertarians differ from the two major parties in that they espouse a philosophy of "Eat, drink and be merry, but leave my stuff alone!'


"There is a destiny which makes us brothers, none may walk alone. What we bring into the life of others, comes back into our own."

Boy George is the "Queen" of England.

"To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men.": - Abraham Lincoln - (1809-1865) 16th US President


"The objector and the rebel who raises his voice against what he believes to be the injustice of the present and the wrongs of the past is the one who hunches the world along." -- Clarence S. Darrow -1857-1938 Source: Address to the Court, The Communist Trial, People v. Lloyd, 1920


"The right to defy an unconstitutional statute is basic in our scheme. Even when an ordinance requires a permit to make a speech, to deliver a sermon, to picket, to parade, or to assemble, it need not be honored when it's invalid on its face." -- Justice Potter Stewart : (1915-1985), U. S. Supreme Court Justice Source: Walker v. Birmingham, 1967


"We are reluctant to admit that we owe our liberties to men of a type that today we hate and fear -- unruly men, disturbers of the peace, men who resent and denounce what Whitman called 'the insolence of elected persons' -- in a word, free men." -- Gerald W. Johnson - (1890-1980) Source: American Freedom and the Press, 1958

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Originally posted by skymaster:
You keep talking down fox news, the number one cable news network on TV. Fox is the only news show that is fair and balanced. It always gives both sides of the issues and has liberal news folks such Greta, Holems, and that crazy mexican guy amoung others. The other news shows are just outlets for the democrats and CNN was caught helping Hillary by planting questions for her in the debate. (By the way CNN stands for Clinton News Network.) When a Republican is on the left wing news outlets they always have that person outnumbered by 4 or 5 people.
The left hates the fact that there is now a fair and balance news outlet.

Peter, Give me your fact thats fox is #1. Fox is not News, its entertainment!! If fox news is news, so is HBO.

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Originally posted by budsfarm:
Boy George is the "Queen" of England.

King George Bush and Queen Boy George would make a good pair.

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Originally posted by skymaster:
You keep talking down fox news, the number one cable news network on TV. Fox is the only news show that is fair and balanced. It always gives both sides of the issues and has liberal news folks such Greta, Holems, and that crazy mexican guy amoung others. The other news shows are just outlets for the democrats and CNN was caught helping Hillary by planting questions for her in the debate. (By the way CNN stands for Clinton News Network.) When a Republican is on the left wing news outlets they always have that person outnumbered by 4 or 5 people.
The left hates the fact that there is now a fair and balance news outlet.

Greta, Holems, and that crazy mexican guy amoung others. These people are not true democrats or liberal folks. I have worked in the media too long and know how it works. Greta, Holems, and that crazy mexican guy amoung others are only high paid puppets for fox news. They know how far to go, and they always come out on the losing in. fox conservatives are the good guys and always comes out on top. Watch and notice, you'll see how fox controls their people.

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Originally posted by skymaster:
This shows me that you are both stupid and dumb. You have never watch Fox or your liberal buddies on the show. If you did you would be singing praises for them. Fox is the only news outlet that gives both sides.

You claim to be in the media. If your talking about the news media I would keep that a secret. The left wing news media no longer has any credibility.

Yep, If you believe That, you're are too late to saved. I just read this from the article Examination of Bush Fascism. check it out!>> This comes in sharp contrast to the time when the American communist party inflamed workers to form labor unions and worker protections and ideas such as the Social Security program were adopted from the Socialist party platform. The uber-"patriotic" right-wing support your troops crowd might be shocked to learn that the Pledge of Allegiance was written by a socialist.


I did not know that a socialist wrote the Pledge of Allegiance. Helen Keller also was a socialist.

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Originally posted by PBA:

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Originally posted by budsfarm:
Boy George is the "Queen" of England.

King George Bush and Queen Boy George would make a good pair.

Don't know about the pairing, but King George has a nice ring to it.

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Originally posted by PBA:

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Originally posted by skymaster:
This shows me that you are both stupid and dumb. You have never watch Fox or your liberal buddies on the show. If you did you would be singing praises for them. Fox is the only news outlet that gives both sides.

You claim to be in the media. If your talking about the news media I would keep that a secret. The left wing news media no longer has any credibility.

Yep, If you believe That, you're are too late to saved. I just read this from the article Examination of Bush Fascism. check it out!>> This comes in sharp contrast to the time when the American communist party inflamed workers to form labor unions and worker protections and ideas such as the Social Security program were adopted from the Socialist party platform. The uber-"patriotic" right-wing support your troops crowd might be shocked to learn that the Pledge of Allegiance was written by a socialist.


I did not know that a socialist wrote the Pledge of Allegiance. Helen Keller also was a socialist.

If you continue to read about the pledge you will see that over time it has been changed to do away with the socialistic bent that it originally had.

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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:

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Originally posted by PBA:

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Originally posted by skymaster:
This shows me that you are both stupid and dumb. You have never watch Fox or your liberal buddies on the show. If you did you would be singing praises for them. Fox is the only news outlet that gives both sides.

You claim to be in the media. If your talking about the news media I would keep that a secret. The left wing news media no longer has any credibility.

Yep, If you believe That, you're are too late to saved. I just read this from the article Examination of Bush Fascism. check it out!>> This comes in sharp contrast to the time when the American communist party inflamed workers to form labor unions and worker protections and ideas such as the Social Security program were adopted from the Socialist party platform. The uber-"patriotic" right-wing support your troops crowd might be shocked to learn that the Pledge of Allegiance was written by a socialist.


I did not know that a socialist wrote the Pledge of Allegiance. Helen Keller also was a socialist.

If you continue to read about the pledge you will see that over time it has been changed to do away with the socialistic bent that it originally had.

Make your point.

The point is that a socialist DID NOT write the pledge as it is known today.

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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
The point is that a socialist DID NOT write the pledge as it is known today.

OK, please explain, what happen, and why, and when the changes took place please.