Yeah. What she said. Now, Jimi, could you please tell me again, who is deluded? Could you point out to us again how our belief in God shows that we are too weak to face reality? Could you enlighten us about our need to comfort ourselves with the notion of life after death?
This is beyond funny. It is downright bizarre.
Yeah. What she said. Now, Jimi, could you please tell me again, who is deluded? Could you point out to us again how our belief in God shows that we are too weak to face reality? Could you enlighten us about our need to comfort ourselves with the notion of life after death?
This is beyond funny. It is downright bizarre.
Glad you are amused. I believe that you know the answers to all of your questions. I will not try to educate one who seems opposed to being educated. I make the same suggestion to you about the library. I will tell you that there is considerable evidence for the reality of reincarnation; there is, of course, no evidence for the existence of God. You are free to comfort yourself any old deluded way that you choose. Your weakness if not my problem.
You are misinformed. Reincarnation has nothing to do with a soul. A trip to the library or Amazon.com might be helpful. - JH
Could you just give us the Cliff Notes version? What is reincarnated if not the soul?
You are misinformed. Reincarnation has nothing to do with a soul. A trip to the library or Amazon.com might be helpful. - JH
Could you just give us the Cliff Notes version? What is reincarnated if not the soul?
I am not your Google. This is not, as you might suppose, a simple question. I doubt that you are willing to invest the time necessary to understand. If you are, then you will be able to find the answer.
It took five seconds to find this:
First we must be aware that the Jews viewed 'spirit' and 'soul' as quite different things. The human person has a soul which will live on after physical death. The spirit is a kind of driving force, a motivation that makes people behave in one way or another.
Is this what you mean?
You are misinformed. Reincarnation has nothing to do with a soul. A trip to the library or Amazon.com might be helpful. - JH
Could you just give us the Cliff Notes version? What is reincarnated if not the soul?
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I believe that old body is going to be very stinky after a few repo's.
BTW, Jimi, if someone uses a word in a way I haven't heard it used, or uses a different pronunciation, I do investigate before I pass judgment. I do the same for reasonable and plausible ideas, but If someone says the moon is made of blue cheese, I have no motivation to look into it further.
Say WHAT??????
JIMI believes in re-incarnation? An atheist who snidely derides others about a belief in a supernatural being and who says death is the final stage now says it's not final, you get to do it all again?
Please tell me the evidence you have for this!!
BTW, stories told to psychiatrists during sessions doesn't count.
I have always thought Jimi's one-liners were indicative of a troll...
Jimbo believes in something.
It's a Miracle!
Skippy
So Jimi needs the crutch of reincarnation to keep him from fearing death. I never thought I'd say this, but I wish Unob were here to read and respond to this! Where is NSNS? How about DarkAngel? Why don't you all tell Jimi how deluded HE is?
Where is NSNS/DF? He pops in less and less and never stays to discuss anything.
Unob would use one of those words that got him kicked off again .
So Jimi needs the crutch of reincarnation to keep him from fearing death. I never thought I'd say this, but I wish Unob were here to read and respond to this! Where is NSNS? How about DarkAngel? Why don't you all tell Jimi how deluded HE is?
Check your PMs.
Where is NSNS/DF? He pops in less and less and never stays to discuss anything.
Unob would use one of those words that got him kicked off again .
I would really love to hear Deep's response...
It would be funny.
Seems jimi left the forum. I not surprised.
jimi has talked about reincarnation plenty of times. do a search. Sorry but no one has "caught" him. I even ask him if he was a buddhist.
I don’t know if anyone followed the link I gave in the initial post [I doubt it] but it contains about 20 hours of lectures with panel and audience discussion by some heavyweights discussing “if not God what?” The absence of NSNS was mentioned. It is probable that he may be at that link which includes the likes of Dawkins and Harris. The audience and speakers are not separate in their credentials and they are mostly made up of laureates in all disciplines. I would suggest this site to believers and non.
So Jimi needs the crutch of reincarnation to keep him from fearing death. I never thought I'd say this, but I wish Unob were here to read and respond to this! Where is NSNS? How about DarkAngel? Why don't you all tell Jimi how deluded HE is?
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Speaking for myself only, Jimi is delusional.
.............. or he's yanking your chain.
So Jimi needs the crutch of reincarnation to keep him from fearing death. I never thought I'd say this, but I wish Unob were here to read and respond to this! Where is NSNS? How about DarkAngel? Why don't you all tell Jimi how deluded HE is?
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Speaking for myself only, Jimi is delusional.
.............. or he's yanking your chain.
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Nah, not his style.
He's said that stuff before crusty. Like I said I've even ask him if he's a buddhist. I don't think they believe in a god.
If he was just kidding around, he would have stayed for the finale.
The monent where he says: GOTTCHA!
B-Why do you think he left because of his post? Like I said that is not the first time he's said that. I've seen him post about reincarnation a few times. I'm missing something I guess, I don't see what the big deal is.
B-Why do you think he left because of his post? Like I said that is not the first time he's said that. I've seen him post about reincarnation a few times. I'm missing something I guess, I don't see what the big deal is.
I went searching for that Best. The only other time he mentioned it was in April. If he believes in reincarnation, then he believes in a transfer of a soul from one life to another. If he believes in a soul, then he has to believe in a creator of that soul. So an atheist believing in a creator is a bit odd don't you think?
While the religion of Buddhism has no God figure, they do believe there are spirits in everything around them and that good karma will influence the outcome of their next life. Once they have used up all their karma, and if following the 8 paths correctly, they enter into Nirvana. Nirvana would be the Christian heaven.
You don't see that as a conflict of atheism and the supernatural?
Search more. I saw him mention it a couple of times before I ask him if he was a buddhist. He didn't answer but still there are more mentions and so his last post didn't surprise me at all. I don't know anything about what they believe, all I'm saying is it seems to me IF he believed in a god he'd "admit" it since he's had no problem mentioning reincarnation. Of course he could be slinging bs but it doesn't matter to me one way or another. I don't believe in reincarnation either.
I'm not, but if anyone is interested there are sites explaining it.
Atheism and Devotion in Buddhism
By Barbara O'Brien, About.com Guide
If atheism is the absence of belief in gods, then many Buddhists are, indeed, atheists.
Buddhism is not about either believing or not believing in God or gods. Rather, the historical Buddha taught that believing in gods was not useful for those seeking to realize enlightenment. In other words, God is unnecessary in Buddhism. For this reason, Buddhism is more accurately called nontheistic than atheistic.
Search more. I saw him mention it a couple of times before I ask him if he was a buddhist. He didn't answer but still there are more mentions and so his last post didn't surprise me at all. I don't know anything about what they believe, all I'm saying is it seems to me IF he believed in a god he'd "admit" it since he's had no problem mentioning reincarnation. Of course he could be slinging bs but it doesn't matter to me one way or another. I don't believe in reincarnation either.
I found where Jimi mentioned reincarnation in four topics including this one. Here is one of his posts in which he used the term "soul."
Your "soul", if you must call it that, enters your body when you are reincarnated into a new body. Later, you pass it on to another body, and so on, and so on. This makes more sense than going to Heaven after you die. There is lots of evidence for reincarnation. None for Heaven. By the way, when Bill dies, he will be very disappointed when he finds himself back on Earth as a ****roach, instead of in his imaginary Heaven. Let the stoning begin.
Yes, I knew he'd posted stuff like that more than once.
DarkAngel doesn't understand subtlety. I'll point it out to her.
You see, DA, you stated a BELIEF. And whether that is TRULY your belief, or whether you said it because you couldn't resist another opportunity to fling an insult, I responded in kind with MY belief.
And why did *I* fling it back at you? A) because I truly believe it. But B), because although I'd rather not get back into the insult-fest this forum becomes from time to time, I thought you should once again see how it makes Christians feel to be accused of emotional weakness and intellectual blindness at every turn.
But of course what I accused YOU of was a sort of shallowness of soul and spiritual blindness. I think you are like someone who has been watching black and white TV all her life, never even imagining that there was such a thing as technicolor. Of COURSE you don't miss the color! You've never even SEEN it.
One is YOUR opinion, the other is MINE. And opinions are neither right nor wrong.
What IS wrong, at least in the context of civil discussion, is to fling these insults at each other as weapons. But such is the forum. And these last two posts of mine illustrate that I am not immune.
But, in my defense I will say that it is only when I hear the same old insults, over and over again that I resort to insulting in kind. Thanks, DA, for helping to bring me down to your level.
O No, you have once again taken offense to my opinion. And once again that is not my problem or my fault. Why don't you own up to your own issues and stop trying to blame me, and anyone else that you lash out at, for making you do it.
As for your intended insult, I thought it was quite funny actually. Fling away! What you think about me and my life has absolutely no value to me. Just because my opinion upsets you does not mean it was a personal attack. You need to get over other people thinking differently than you. I meant what I said, not as an insult, but as my own thoughts and opinion. Don't like it? Too bad.
My advice would be to grow some thicker skin or stop discussing a subject that you hold so dear you are "forced" to defend it with "insults".
So Jimi needs the crutch of reincarnation to keep him from fearing death. I never thought I'd say this, but I wish Unob were here to read and respond to this! Where is NSNS? How about DarkAngel? Why don't you all tell Jimi how deluded HE is?
So as long as I am calling someone elses beliefs delusional you have no problem, right? O No, you are something else. What that something else is , I can't say in a public forum.
There is no doctrine in atheism. Atheism simply means to have no belief in gods. Reincarnation does not include believing in a deity. However, there is not enough evidence for me personally to believe such a thing. It actually does have more evidence to back it up than belief in the Christian God.. The same can be said for Big Foot too. I don't believe in any of those things. All for the same reasons. Not enough evidence to make that kind of conclusion for me. In the case of the Christian God there is absolutely no evidence. I would put it further down on the list of believable concepts.
I say the same thing to Jimi as I do to you and others here. If it makes you happy then go for it. Personally I think its all a bunch of bunk.
Happy now?
Say WHAT??????
JIMI believes in re-incarnation? An atheist who snidely derides others about a belief in a supernatural being and who says death is the final stage now says it's not final, you get to do it all again?
Please tell me the evidence you have for this!!
BTW, stories told to psychiatrists during sessions doesn't count.
It is far too complicated for your feeble brain to understand. It takes several lifetimes to comprehend.
So Jimi needs the crutch of reincarnation to keep him from fearing death. I never thought I'd say this, but I wish Unob were here to read and respond to this! Where is NSNS? How about DarkAngel? Why don't you all tell Jimi how deluded HE is?
So as long as I am calling someone elses beliefs delusional you have no problem, right? O No, you are something else. What that something else is , I can't say in a public forum.
There is no doctrine in atheism. Atheism simply means to have no belief in gods. Reincarnation does not include believing in a deity. However, there is not enough evidence for me personally to believe such a thing. It actually does have more evidence to back it up than belief in the Christian God.. The same can be said for Big Foot too. I don't believe in any of those things. All for the same reasons. Not enough evidence to make that kind of conclusion for me. In the case of the Christian God there is absolutely no evidence. I would put it further down on the list of believable concepts.
I say the same thing to Jimi as I do to you and others here. If it makes you happy then go for it. Personally I think its all a bunch of bunk.
Happy now?
What you "think" has no effect on reality. Think whatever you want. Personally, I think it is a bunch of bunk.
Say WHAT??????
JIMI believes in re-incarnation? An atheist who snidely derides others about a belief in a supernatural being and who says death is the final stage now says it's not final, you get to do it all again?
Please tell me the evidence you have for this!!
BTW, stories told to psychiatrists during sessions doesn't count.
It is far too complicated for your feeble brain to understand. It takes several lifetimes to comprehend.
Yeah, I'll bet. So tell me this jimi, where is that soul stored while your body dies?
DarkAngel doesn't understand subtlety. I'll point it out to her.
You see, DA, you stated a BELIEF. And whether that is TRULY your belief, or whether you said it because you couldn't resist another opportunity to fling an insult, I responded in kind with MY belief.
And why did *I* fling it back at you? A) because I truly believe it. But B), because although I'd rather not get back into the insult-fest this forum becomes from time to time, I thought you should once again see how it makes Christians feel to be accused of emotional weakness and intellectual blindness at every turn.
But of course what I accused YOU of was a sort of shallowness of soul and spiritual blindness. I think you are like someone who has been watching black and white TV all her life, never even imagining that there was such a thing as technicolor. Of COURSE you don't miss the color! You've never even SEEN it.
One is YOUR opinion, the other is MINE. And opinions are neither right nor wrong.
What IS wrong, at least in the context of civil discussion, is to fling these insults at each other as weapons. But such is the forum. And these last two posts of mine illustrate that I am not immune.
But, in my defense I will say that it is only when I hear the same old insults, over and over again that I resort to insulting in kind. Thanks, DA, for helping to bring me down to your level.
O No, you have once again taken offense to my opinion. And once again that is not my problem or my fault. Why don't you own up to your own issues and stop trying to blame me, and anyone else that you lash out at, for making you do it.
As for your intended insult, I thought it was quite funny actually. Fling away! What you think about me and my life has absolutely no value to me. Just because my opinion upsets you does not mean it was a personal attack. You need to get over other people thinking differently than you. I meant what I said, not as an insult, but as my own thoughts and opinion. Don't like it? Too bad.
My advice would be to grow some thicker skin or stop discussing a subject that you hold so dear you are "forced" to defend it with "insults".
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DA, don't you think the rest of us can see through you? You say I shouldn't take offense at your opinion. And yet, MY opinion is that you are spiritually crippled. Why do YOU take offense at MY opinion? You have gotten pretty upset and nasty with me when I have suggested this before. And yet, as B pointed out, you are eager to take any chance to express your opinion in the snarkiest way. If I am not to oject to your calling me emotionally weak, why is it OK for you to object to me calling you spiritually blind? (You really are, you know.)
So my advice to you is to either express your opinion in a non-confrontational way, or if you just can't resist putting in those little jabs, accept the fact that you will be jabbed back. And for heaven's sake, stop playing the innocent victim. Don't dish it out if you can't take it. Because you know what? Not only do I have a bigger spoon, but I have the truth on my side. Guess you'll just have to live with it.
So Jimi needs the crutch of reincarnation to keep him from fearing death. I never thought I'd say this, but I wish Unob were here to read and respond to this! Where is NSNS? How about DarkAngel? Why don't you all tell Jimi how deluded HE is?
So as long as I am calling someone elses beliefs delusional you have no problem, right? O No, you are something else. What that something else is , I can't say in a public forum.
There is no doctrine in atheism. Atheism simply means to have no belief in gods. Reincarnation does not include believing in a deity. However, there is not enough evidence for me personally to believe such a thing. It actually does have more evidence to back it up than belief in the Christian God.. The same can be said for Big Foot too. I don't believe in any of those things. All for the same reasons. Not enough evidence to make that kind of conclusion for me. In the case of the Christian God there is absolutely no evidence. I would put it further down on the list of believable concepts.
I say the same thing to Jimi as I do to you and others here. If it makes you happy then go for it. Personally I think its all a bunch of bunk.
Happy now?
What you "think" has no effect on reality. Think whatever you want. Personally, I think it is a bunch of bunk.
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Sometimes I wonder just who it is I'm dealing with here. Don't EITHER of you understand SARCASM?! You both constantly call Christians deluded. You both constantly claim we believe because we fear death so much. You both constantly claim we are weak. Now you are also going to claim you are too dense to recognize sarcasm? OK, I concede the point - you are both too dense to comprehend subtlety, sarcasm and satire.
I'll try to be more literal from now on.
Why did man have a 'void' to start with if he was happy and fulfilled being an atheist?
Only religious people have mental problems? Got any stats for that one?
they answered this in the film "The Invention of Lying"....watch it, it's good.
Now THAT......is profound.
I watched all ten sessions and was glued to the conference. I hung on every word.
If one doesn’t understand the confused state of the atheist scientist in their fragmented march to nowhere after watching this I’ll be real surprised. Laughable.
