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if the bible is inerrant how did judas iscariot die?

Matthew 27:5 (New International Version)

5 So Judas threw the money into the temple and left. Then he went away and hanged himself.


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Acts 1:18 (New International Version)

18 (With the reward he got for his wickedness, Judas bought a field; there he fell headlong, his body burst open and all his intestines spilled out.
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Originally posted by tcf531:
if the bible is inerrant how did judas iscariot die?

Matthew 27:5 (New International Version), "So Judas threw the money into the temple and left. Then he went away and hanged himself.

OR:

Acts 1:18 (New International Version),"With the reward he got for his wickedness, Judas bought a field; there he fell headlong, his body burst open and all his intestines spilled out."

Hi TCF,

Simple. He hanged himself over a cliff -- and, at some point, maybe right away from the weight of his body or later as the rope weakened -- the rope broke and he fell to the ground, bursting open. You might say he got the double whammy!

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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did he throw the money back inti (sic) the temple or did he buy a field?

Hi TCF,

According to Matthew 27:5-9, Judas threw the silver on the floor of the temple and left. The Pharisees and Chief Priests took the silver, which by law they could not put back into the temple treasury since it was blood money -- and they bought the land where Judas hung himself. The land was defiled because Judas hung himself and hang there for several days. He hang himself on Passover; so, no one could take him down to bury him. They would be defiled if they touched a dead body -- and they could not work during the day of Passover.

So, Judas hung there, his body decomposing causing gases to build up inside his body. So, when he either fell because the rope broke or someone cut him down and he fell -- the fall causes his body to burst open.

Therefore, both the story in Matthew 27 is correct -- telling us how he died. And, the story in Acts 1 is correct -- telling us the end result of his death. Complementary stories, supporting one another.

Matthew 27:3-10, "Then Judas, His betrayer, seeing that He had been condemned, was remorseful and brought back the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders, saying, 'I have sinned by betraying innocent blood.' And they said, 'What is that to us? You see to it!' Then he threw down the pieces of silver in the temple and departed, and went and hanged himself.

But the chief priests took the silver pieces and said, 'It is not lawful to put them into the treasury, because they are the price of blood.' And they consulted together and bought with them the potter's field, to bury strangers in. Therefore that field has been called the Field of Blood to this day. Then was fulfilled what was spoken by Jeremiah the prophet, saying, 'And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the value of Him who was priced, whom they of the children of Israel priced, and gave them for the potter's field, as the LORD directed me.'"


Acts 1:15-19, "And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the disciples (altogether the number of names was about a hundred and twenty), and said, 'Men and brethren, this Scripture had to be fulfilled, which the Holy Spirit spoke before by the mouth of David concerning Judas, who became a guide to those who arrested Jesus; for he was numbered with us and obtained a part in this ministry.'

(Now this man purchased a field with the wages of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst open in the middle and all his entrails gushed out. And it became known to all those dwelling in Jerusalem; so that field is called in their own language, Akel Dama, that is, Field of Blood.)"


So, did the Chief Priests buy the land or did Judas buy the land? Technically, both. Judas had been paid the blood money to betray Jesus Christ. It was his money -- even though he threw it back on the temple floor and left it there. The Priests took Judas' money and purchased the Potter's Field where he died in his name, even though he was already dead. So, the land belonged to Judas; but the priests handled the transaction in his name.

But, so that you will not think this is just Bill Gray saying this -- I am offering two other sources:

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Apologetics Press :: Alleged Discrepancies
Did Judas Die Twice?

http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/2846

Through the years, the description of Judas Iscariot’s death has been one of the most popular alleged Bible contradictions. It seems as if every skeptical book or Web site that questions the integrity of the Bible lists Judas’ death as one of the most obvious inconsistencies in Scripture.

Whereas Matthew records that Judas“went and hanged himself” after betraying Jesus for 30 pieces of silver (27:5), Luke records that “falling headlong, he burst open in the middle and all his entrails gushed out” (Acts 1:18). Because Matthew only mentions Judas being hanged, while Luke mentions Judas falling headlong and bursting open at his midsection, a “real” contradiction supposedly is staring us in the face.

The truth of the matter is, however, like the accounts of Jesus’ resurrection (and many other Bible events) these two verses simply supplement each other. It is not an either/or scenario. Judas, indeed, “hanged himself,” and sometime later, his body fell headfirst, causing his midsection to burst open.

According to ancient tradition, Judas hanged himself above the Valley of Hinnom on the edge of a cliff. Eventually the rope snapped (or was cut or untied), thus causing his body to fall headfirst into the field below, as Luke described. Matthew does not deny that Judas fell and had his entrails gush out, and Luke does not deny that Judas hanged himself. In short, Matthew records the method in which Judas attempted his death. Luke reports the end result.

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DEATH OF JUDAS
http://www.thebereancall.org/node/2361

A brother asks me to explain the evident contradiction as to the manner of the death of Judas, as found in Matt. 27:5 and Acts 1:18. There, is no contradiction. Luke says that Judas fell headlong and burst asunder, while Matthew says that he hanged himself.

If he had not first hanged himself, he would not have burst asunder when he fell. I have never heard of a man bursting wide open because he fell from stumping his toe; but if a man were to hang himself in a hot climate, and remain hanging for a day or two, and then fall, he would be almost certain to burst asunder. So the two accounts are not contradictory, but the one explains the other (J. W. McGarvey, "Short Essays in Biblical Criticism," 1910, p. 457).

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God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
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Originally posted by tcf531:
if the bible is inerrant how did judas iscariot die?

Matthew 27:5 (New International Version), "So Judas threw the money into the temple and left. Then he went away and hanged himself.

OR:

Acts 1:18 (New International Version),"With the reward he got for his wickedness, Judas bought a field; there he fell headlong, his body burst open and all his intestines spilled out."

Hi TCF,

Simple. He hanged himself over a cliff -- and, at some point, maybe right away from the weight of his body or later as the rope weakened -- the rope broke and he fell to the ground, bursting open. You might say he got the double whammy!

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill


one more example of bending reality and the words of the bible to try and make them mean what you want them to, while you completely ignore what the words say.

version 1. he hung himeself

version 2. he flung himself off a cliff.

the 2nd version doesn't say anything at all about hanging. it doesn't say 'he died and then eventually his corpse fell and split open.

so much for the ' literal ' word of God, i guess.
Yeah.. ya'll cling to "apparant" discrepancies in the story of Judas to keep that warm fuzzy feeling that you don't need to believe in God.... I'm sure that will be a great story to tell on judgement day... I can see it now...

Lost soul bound for Hell: Aw, come on God, I would've believe you, but that whole Judas stroy was junk man... How could you expect me to believe the rest of the Bible with that obvious contradiction there???

God Hmmmm.. that's an irony that you will have the rest of eternity to ponder over with your friends.

LOL... ok, ok... I'm a lot meaner than God. I'm sure he wouldnt say it just like that. lol
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Originally posted by Peter Rielly:
Yeah.. ya'll cling to "apparant" discrepancies in the story of Judas to keep that warm fuzzy feeling that you don't need to believe in God.... I'm sure that will be a great story to tell on judgement day... I can see it now...

Lost soul bound for Hell: Aw, come on God, I would've believe you, but that whole Judas stroy was junk man... How could you expect me to believe the rest of the Bible with that obvious contradiction there???

God Hmmmm.. that's an irony that you will have the rest of eternity to ponder over with your friends.

LOL... ok, ok... I'm a lot meaner than God. I'm sure he wouldnt say it just like that. lol

Hi Peter,

There are a lot of football fans in the Shoals. Has anyone ever seen the sports writer for the Times Daily, the sports writer for the Birmingham News, and the sports writer for other newspapers -- ALL write exactly the same words regarding a football game?

It has been my experience that each will write a somewhat different story -- depending upon which team he/she supports, the point of view being presented, and the target audience.

So, Matthew and Luke had a somewhat different perspective of the death of Judas. Matthew telling us what happened. And Luke, in Acts, telling us the results of what happened.

We see the same thing in the four Gospels. The same story told from a different perspective, with a different focus, and for a different audience

We see the same thing in Genesis 1 and 2. In Genesis 1 God tells us what He did and when. In Genesis 2 God tells us details of how He did it.

Same story -- different perspective. But, as you said, those who want to disagree and find fault -- will always use weak excuses to deny God and His Written Word, the Bible.

Why do they do this? Because they are afraid that if they believe in God, they will not be able to be their own masters of destiny, their own gods.

If they would just open their eyes, they would realize that God is offering them the "golden chariots of eternal life" -- and they are refusing it because they want to keep their "horse and buggy eternal lifestyle" offered in this world.

It is the same old story over and over. God offers the riches of heaven -- and they want the pennies from Satan's world.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by Peter Rielly:
Yeah.. ya'll cling to "apparant" discrepancies in the story of Judas to keep that warm fuzzy feeling that you don't need to believe in God


i believe in God.
I've spoken with him, and i've heard His voice. not figuratively. not metaphorically. i've heard his voice.

however, i have serious issues with the bible.

the primary reason we know the bible is the exacting perfect word of God... is that it tells us it is?
good grief.
when the politicans say "you know it's the truth, because i said it, and i always tell the truth, so you can trust me" do you fall over yourself to vote for them as well?

the bible is god's word because it says it's gods word. that's... insane.

God spoke to me. He said "i am there, i do love you, but i am not as you've been taught"..

so who am *I* supposed to believe? the direct word of God into my ear, or the written word of men that have been dead for thousands of years... and bill gray who claims a 6000 year old earth when there are records of civilization in india from 11 thousands years ago?

one doesn't have to be self delusional to believe in God, one just has to accept there are things beyond our comprehension.
people like bill spin reality to fit into their little narrow picture of God. that's self delusional.


i accept the wide open universe, with God at it's begining, and between Him and us a few billions years filled with stranger things than most of us can ever dream of.

i don't write off a scientific explanation because there isn't something concrete that points to exact known scientific methods, and nor do i rule out divine intervention just because there is no big glaring graffiti on the wall that says "I DID IT!" (signed God).

I believe God made the universe. i believe he did it following the scientific rules that he created and imposed upon the universe.


I do believe that the bible contains perhaps 25% fact, and 75% fictional stories and rules that power hungry priests, shamen and kings used to strenghten their own position and increase their wealth.

i don't believe the bible for several reasons.
first and foremost being - there are too many conflicts that cannot be resolved without really reaching and twisting words to the point that one starts wondering what the meaning of the word 'is' is..

and the other, coming in a close second, is that the God of the bible, the all powerful, all mighty, omnipotent omnescient benevolent and loving, kind forgiving and just God has the manners of a petulant spoiled 5 year old.

the God of the bible isn't a Divine Creator... the entity painted in those pages isn't even a good Person, much less Divine. he tries to make a man slaughter his own son, just to prove his love for Him?

good god. that's derainged. we put people in prison for the rest of their lives for that kinda thing down here. but it's ok cause it's God, right?

Bull. the bible was written by men. sick evil greedy men.

God loves us. God wants us to be happy. god does NOT want us to spend our lives on our knees, kowtowing to him out of fear of what might be.
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Originally posted by thenagel:
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Originally posted by Peter Rielly:
Yeah.. ya'll cling to "apparant" discrepancies in the story of Judas to keep that warm fuzzy feeling that you don't need to believe in God


i believe in God.
I've spoken with him, and i've heard His voice. not figuratively. not metaphorically. i've heard his voice.

however, i have serious issues with the bible.

the primary reason we know the bible is the exacting perfect word of God... is that it tells us it is?
good grief.
when the politicans say "you know it's the truth, because i said it, and i always tell the truth, so you can trust me" do you fall over yourself to vote for them as well?

the bible is god's word because it says it's gods word. that's... insane.

God spoke to me. He said "i am there, i do love you, but i am not as you've been taught"..

so who am *I* supposed to believe? the direct word of God into my ear, or the written word of men that have been dead for thousands of years... and bill gray who claims a 6000 year old earth when there are records of civilization in india from 11 thousands years ago?

one doesn't have to be self delusional to believe in God, one just has to accept there are things beyond our comprehension.
people like bill spin reality to fit into their little narrow picture of God. that's self delusional.


i accept the wide open universe, with God at it's begining, and between Him and us a few billions years filled with stranger things than most of us can ever dream of.

i don't write off a scientific explanation because there isn't something concrete that points to exact known scientific methods, and nor do i rule out divine intervention just because there is no big glaring graffiti on the wall that says "I DID IT!" (signed God).

I believe God made the universe. i believe he did it following the scientific rules that he created and imposed upon the universe.


I do believe that the bible contains perhaps 25% fact, and 75% fictional stories and rules that power hungry priests, shamen and kings used to strenghten their own position and increase their wealth.

i don't believe the bible for several reasons.
first and foremost being - there are too many conflicts that cannot be resolved without really reaching and twisting words to the point that one starts wondering what the meaning of the word 'is' is..

and the other, coming in a close second, is that the God of the bible, the all powerful, all mighty, omnipotent omnescient benevolent and loving, kind forgiving and just God has the manners of a petulant spoiled 5 year old.

the God of the bible isn't a Divine Creator... the entity painted in those pages isn't even a good Person, much less Divine. he tries to make a man slaughter his own son, just to prove his love for Him?

good god. that's derainged. we put people in prison for the rest of their lives for that kinda thing down here. but it's ok cause it's God, right?

Bull. the bible was written by men. sick evil greedy men.

God loves us. God wants us to be happy. god does NOT want us to spend our lives on our knees, kowtowing to him out of fear of what might be.



thenagel,

I can understand why you believe what you just said, and I agree with most of your
thinking myself. It's not hard to see it that way. I've already gone back to my
basics and rethinking of what I believe.

I'm going to trust myself with the help of God.
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Originally posted by Kraven:
thenagel, I can understand why you believe what you just said, and I agree with most of your thinking myself. It's not hard to see it that way. I've already gone back to my basics and rethinking of what I believe.

I'm going to trust myself with the help of God.

Hi Kraven,

Be careful who you follow. If Nagel truly believes what he has written -- and is not just blowing smoke to boost his own ego; then he has some serious spiritual problems. And, a person with such serious spiritual problems -- is not one you should allow to be your spiritual guide. It appears, if he believes what he has written -- that Nagel is walking in spiritual darkness and, for now, has no idea how to find the Light.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
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Originally posted by Kraven:
thenagel, I can understand why you believe what you just said, and I agree with most of your thinking myself. It's not hard to see it that way. I've already gone back to my basics and rethinking of what I believe.

I'm going to trust myself with the help of God.

Hi Kraven,

Be careful who you follow. If Nagel truly believes what he has written -- and is not just blowing smoke to boost his own ego; then he has some serious spiritual problems. And, a person with such serious spiritual problems -- is not one you should allow to be your spiritual guide. It appears, if he believes what he has written -- that Nagel is walking in spiritual darkness and, for now, has no idea how to find the Light.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill



Bill,

I don't have a spiritual guide, that ended long ago. I do have one God that I
follow and I'm not confused about anything.
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Originally posted by Kraven:
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Originally posted by thenagel:
quote:
Originally posted by Peter Rielly:
Yeah.. ya'll cling to "apparant" discrepancies in the story of Judas to keep that warm fuzzy feeling that you don't need to believe in God


i believe in God.
I've spoken with him, and i've heard His voice. not figuratively. not metaphorically. i've heard his voice.

however, i have serious issues with the bible.

the primary reason we know the bible is the exacting perfect word of God... is that it tells us it is?
good grief.
when the politicans say "you know it's the truth, because i said it, and i always tell the truth, so you can trust me" do you fall over yourself to vote for them as well?

the bible is god's word because it says it's gods word. that's... insane.

God spoke to me. He said "i am there, i do love you, but i am not as you've been taught"..

so who am *I* supposed to believe? the direct word of God into my ear, or the written word of men that have been dead for thousands of years... and bill gray who claims a 6000 year old earth when there are records of civilization in india from 11 thousands years ago?

one doesn't have to be self delusional to believe in God, one just has to accept there are things beyond our comprehension.
people like bill spin reality to fit into their little narrow picture of God. that's self delusional.


i accept the wide open universe, with God at it's begining, and between Him and us a few billions years filled with stranger things than most of us can ever dream of.

i don't write off a scientific explanation because there isn't something concrete that points to exact known scientific methods, and nor do i rule out divine intervention just because there is no big glaring graffiti on the wall that says "I DID IT!" (signed God).

I believe God made the universe. i believe he did it following the scientific rules that he created and imposed upon the universe.


I do believe that the bible contains perhaps 25% fact, and 75% fictional stories and rules that power hungry priests, shamen and kings used to strenghten their own position and increase their wealth.

i don't believe the bible for several reasons.
first and foremost being - there are too many conflicts that cannot be resolved without really reaching and twisting words to the point that one starts wondering what the meaning of the word 'is' is..

and the other, coming in a close second, is that the God of the bible, the all powerful, all mighty, omnipotent omnescient benevolent and loving, kind forgiving and just God has the manners of a petulant spoiled 5 year old.

the God of the bible isn't a Divine Creator... the entity painted in those pages isn't even a good Person, much less Divine. he tries to make a man slaughter his own son, just to prove his love for Him?

good god. that's derainged. we put people in prison for the rest of their lives for that kinda thing down here. but it's ok cause it's God, right?

Bull. the bible was written by men. sick evil greedy men.

God loves us. God wants us to be happy. god does NOT want us to spend our lives on our knees, kowtowing to him out of fear of what might be.



thenagel,

I can understand why you believe what you just said, and I agree with most of your
thinking myself. It's not hard to see it that way. I've already gone back to my
basics and rethinking of what I believe.

I'm going to trust myself with the help of God.


absoloutly Smiler

i'm me.. i ask no one to follow me because of what i say.. i only ask for people to think for themselves and not just blindly accept what someone else tells you the bible means...

THINK people. T H I N K!!

would God almighty really want mindless Sheep who follow along because that's how they were raised and they are now afraid to do anything else?

would God WANT the adoration of cowards and simpletons?

THINK.
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
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Originally posted by Kraven:
thenagel, I can understand why you believe what you just said, and I agree with most of your thinking myself. It's not hard to see it that way. I've already gone back to my basics and rethinking of what I believe.

I'm going to trust myself with the help of God.

Hi Kraven,

Be careful who you follow. If Nagel truly believes what he has written -- and is not just blowing smoke to boost his own ego; then he has some serious spiritual problems. And, a person with such serious spiritual problems -- is not one you should allow to be your spiritual guide. It appears, if he believes what he has written -- that Nagel is walking in spiritual darkness and, for now, has no idea how to find the Light.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill


quite the contrary Oh Billicious one...
i'm acctually quite happily out of the dark. it was in part your words that helped guide me. little by little i realized how sickeningly wrong you have to be on all things bible related, and was finally able to clear the cobwebs out of my head.
i finally realized my faith was based on the strong shoulders of God, and not the false words of sleazy people, dead for 10 000 years.

so.. good luck with your false prophecy, i wish you the best.
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Originally posted by Kraven:
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
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Originally posted by Kraven:
thenagel, I can understand why you believe what you just said, and I agree with most of your thinking myself. It's not hard to see it that way. I've already gone back to my basics and rethinking of what I believe.

I'm going to trust myself with the help of God.

Hi Kraven,

Be careful who you follow. If Nagel truly believes what he has written -- and is not just blowing smoke to boost his own ego; then he has some serious spiritual problems. And, a person with such serious spiritual problems -- is not one you should allow to be your spiritual guide. It appears, if he believes what he has written -- that Nagel is walking in spiritual darkness and, for now, has no idea how to find the Light.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill



Bill,

I don't have a spiritual guide, that ended long ago. I do have one God that I
follow and I'm not confused about anything.


Bingo!

/cheers Kraven!
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Originally posted by vplee123:
Nagel, your candor and honestly is much appreciated by us regular folk.
We all struggle every day with matters of Faith.
Hugs to you.


/hugs

it's all just a matter of following your heart as it leads you through what makes sense.

follow your heart, but let your mind guide the journey...

else you end up like Bill Gray - no mind and no heart.
Nagel always has good insight. He is one of those common sense geniuses. Someone who can just see to the heart of a matter.

I don't believe in a god, but his belief is something I can respect and admire. At least he sees it as a personal belief and not something anyone else should or has to believe also.

thenagel....the center. Great choice of screen name. Smiler
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Bill, I don't have a spiritual guide, that ended long ago. I do have one God that I
follow and I'm not confused about anything.

Hi Kraven,

And, the Holy Spirit is your spiritual guide. According to the Bible, He is our guide, our teacher, and our convicter when we disobey God's will.

You are right -- we only follow God.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
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Originally posted by Kraven:
Bill, I don't have a spiritual guide, that ended long ago. I do have one God that I
follow and I'm not confused about anything.

Hi Kraven,

And, the Holy Spirit is your spiritual guide. According to the Bible, He is our guide, our teacher, and our convicter when we disobey God's will.

You are right -- we only follow God.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill



Bill,


You may have missed my point, I don't have a spiritual guide. There is no way I'll
hear anyone on earth tell me anything when they know so little themselves.
I have one God. No one has to tell me what a basturd I am, I know who I am.

This arrogant dogmatic way of religion has left some people weary, some mad and
some out the back door. What I've have is my one God. That and myself is all
I need. What we have here is not religion.
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Originally posted by tcf531:
if the bible is inerrant how did judas iscariot die?

Matthew 27:5 (New International Version)

5 So Judas threw the money into the temple and left. Then he went away and hanged himself.

OR:

Acts 1:18 (New International Version)

18 (With the reward he got for his wickedness, Judas bought a field; there he fell headlong, his body burst open and all his intestines spilled out.



tcf,

Judas died by hanging. He hung himself in a olive grove that he and his
family owned. Judas had nothing to do with the field purchased for his
grave. It wasn't his money when he threw it back. the field was cheap
and available. After a few days judas fell when God wanted him to fall.
And not before, Because some men tried to take him down but couldn't.

His body burst open and the intestines and all the rest of it.
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Originally posted by Kraven:
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Originally posted by tcf531:
if the bible is inerrant how did judas iscariot die?

Matthew 27:5 (New International Version), 5 So Judas threw the money into the temple and left. Then he went away and hanged himself.

OR:

Acts 1:18 (New International Version), 18 (With the reward he got for his wickedness, Judas bought a field; there he fell headlong, his body burst open and all his intestines spilled out.

tcf, Judas died by hanging. He hung himself in a olive grove that he and his family owned. Judas had nothing to do with the field purchased for his grave. It wasn't his money when he threw it back. the field was cheap
and available. After a few days judas fell when God wanted him to fall. And not before, Because some men tried to take him down but couldn't. His body burst open and the intestines and all the rest of it.

Hi Kraven,

Please show us where we can find this info about Judas grave, the field, and the money not being his, in the Bible.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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NIV, my fat @!!. Either Judas hanged himself, or his guts spilled out on a field. One or the other, or else it's all fiction, which is more likely.

Both verses want us to know that Judas died ignominiously. But he didn't die twice, or he'd be in Jesus' league. And he didn't die of both, they're separate images altogether.

You're stretching to satisfy scripture, and it's showing. There is no honest defense of the entire scripture.

When will you get it through your head that all this is a fairy tale?

nsns
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Originally posted by Kraven:
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Originally posted by tcf531:
if the bible is inerrant how did judas iscariot die?

Matthew 27:5 (New International Version)

5 So Judas threw the money into the temple and left. Then he went away and hanged himself.

OR:

Acts 1:18 (New International Version)

18 (With the reward he got for his wickedness, Judas bought a field; there he fell headlong, his body burst open and all his intestines spilled out.



tcf,

Judas died by hanging. He hung himself in a olive grove that he and his
family owned. Judas had nothing to do with the field purchased for his
grave. It wasn't his money when he threw it back. the field was cheap
and available. After a few days judas fell when God wanted him to fall.
And not before, Because some men tried to take him down but couldn't.

His body burst open and the intestines and all the rest of it.




ns, This is what I told tcf. He died once, days later the rope broke,
and he was ripe. So when he hit the ground he popped open.

I see only one death. I'm not in defense of the scripture of this version.

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