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If I remember correctly, CoC broke off from Baptist. *snicker* No, I'm serious, but they probably don't want that spread around or anything. I worked with a lovely family who attend a CoC church and many of my daughter's friends are CoC. None of them would have made such a ridiculous statement. I imagine slice is really bored and wanted to jerk some chains. Wink
I am deeply offended by this remark. I know that SLICE is trying to stir up trouble because they are bored but this is a lie. I am a COC member and I have never once heard this said. I have however been ridiculed by other churches. (Baptist, Methodist) If anyone says "if you aren't a Church of Christ member then you are going to hades", then they haven't been reading their Bible. JUDGE NOT LEST YE BE JUDGED.
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I am deeply offended by this remark. I know that SLICE is trying to stir up trouble because they are bored but this is a lie. I am a COC member and I have never once heard this said. I have however been ridiculed by other churches. (Baptist, Methodist) If anyone says "if you aren't a Church of Christ member then you are going to hades", then they haven't been reading their Bible. JUDGE NOT LEST YE BE JUDGED.


Herb,

Don't let this troll get you PO'd. That's what he's after.

And if the stories are true, we're all going to be judged regardless Wink Yet another reason I'm delighted to know that we nave no reason to believe the stories.
I'm thinking the Church of Christ had it's origins in the teachings of Alexander Campbell and they were often referred to as "Campbellites". I know that's what my grandfather called his oldest daughter after she joined the church and tried get him to leave his Baptist church. Yes she believed all were going to hades that didn't belong to her church.
The CoC can't show anyone where the Bible says you have to be CoC to get to Heaven. My Bible says "whoever believes in Him (Jesus Christ) will not perish, but have eternal life," not whoever belongs to the CoC. They also can't tell you where it's wrong to have musical instruments in the church. You'd think if it's good enough for Heaven, it must be good enough for us.
If there is a Hell or a Heaven it is only a state of mind, and it is here now within each of us, daily. Our choice is do we choose to live our lives joyfully, or miserably. These are not actual places one "goes" to upon death. There is nothing to be afraid of, as there is no such thing as death. If you want Heaven you already have it, here, NOW! Enjoy it. Don't live you lives in fear of retribution from some God that man has created. Love and be loved, it will all work out just fine.
That's great, Netracer, if everything's going your way. However, sometimes life sucks. Sometimes it hits so hard you fall into a pit. Try as you might, you can't get out. Others try, but they can't get you out. Professionals try, but they fail. It's awfully nice to find someone who can. You believe whatever you want, but no other 'god' came to my aid when I needed help and no other human could save me from myself. God could and did. Sorry, I just felt a need to say that. Smiler
Beautifully written, Joy.
You know, it's so funny that people in general feel that by being a Christian, you are missing out on something in this life, or not enjoying it to the fullest.
I have found the opposite to be true.
I have found that faith in God, and in His Son has opened up a whole new world, of mystery and beauty. It's a blessing, really, to know that we have a Father in Heaven with us. And what could we be missing? Nothing that I know of...
And it's really not about fear either.
It's more comfort than fear, love than lacking, and strength when we are weak. (which is pretty much all the time.)
If there is something that I am "missing" by being a Christian, I guess it's not important enough to feel any loss whatsoever.
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Beautifully written, Joy. You know, it's so funny that people in general feel that by being a Christian, you are missing out on something in this life, or not enjoying it to the fullest. I have found the opposite to be true.

I have found that faith in God, and in His Son has opened up a whole new world, of mystery and beauty. It's a blessing, really, to know that we have a Father in Heaven with us. And what could we be missing? Nothing that I know of...
And it's really not about fear either.

It's more comfort than fear, love than lacking, and strength when we are weak. (which is pretty much all the time.)

If there is something that I am "missing" by being a Christian, I guess it's not important enough to feel any loss whatsoever.

Hi VP,

I'll give you a few big "AMENS!" on that! About twenty years ago, I had a Friend in our Bible studies who told me, "I used to spend all my Friday nights in the bars. Now, that I am a Christian and spend Friday nights in Bible study -- I am having so much more fun."

And, I found the same to be true for me. Plus, there is one other really big plus -- no Saturday morning hangovers, except from all the good food they served at Bible studies.

My Friend, we are definitely on the same page,

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:

Hi VP,

I'll give you a few big "AMENS!" on that! ....

My Friend, we are definitely on the same page,

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill


I can now officially diagnose Bill with bipolar disorder, possible multiple personalities, and maybe some schizophrenia. Just two threads over he is condemning VP to hell for being Catholic.

Have a very blissed day, Bill.
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi VP,

I'll give you a few big "AMENS!" on that! ....

My Friend, we are definitely on the same page,

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

I can now officially diagnose Bill with bipolar disorder, possible multiple personalities, and maybe some schizophrenia. Just two threads over he is condemning VP to hell for being Catholic.

Hi Crusty,

My Tunnel Vision Friend, you have NEVER seen me tell VP that she is not a Christian nor that she is going to hell.

I have told her that she has doctrinal beliefs which I cannot buy -- but, not what you claim.

And, I would like to be VP's Friend -- even if we do disagree of some doctrines.

If I did not know better, my Friend, I would guess that you are just trying to cause dissension. But, Crusty do that? No, really?

I am reminded of the little school yard coward who stands way behind the crowd shouting, "Yeah, he did it! Hit him! Hit him!"

And, then when someone confronts little school yard coward, he wets his pants, and runs home, crying for mommy. Just a thought!

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Oh yeah, and I forgot about my CofC relatives who wouldn't participate in family worship during a summer vacation....just some praise courses, prayer and Bible reading. They got up, dressed up and drove 30 miles to the nearest CofC.


I'm gonna guess they wanted to take communion on the Lord's Day. Did you have it there?
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There may be something to Slice's statement.

Doesn't the Church of Christ preach baptismal regeneration and you have to be baptised by a Church of Christ preacher? Like, if one transfers from, say, a Baptist church, I think the person has to be re-baptised.


Not at all true, but the Bible teaches, as we see it, baptism for remission of sins. Its my understanding the Freewill Baptist teach this, but I'm not sure. If you're baptized first "because" of remission of sins, yes, you would be rebaptized. It certainly doesn't have to be a preacher who baptizes you.
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:

I am reminded of the little school yard coward who stands way behind the crowd shouting, "Yeah, he did it! Hit him! Hit him!"

And, then when someone confronts little school yard coward, he wets his pants, and runs home, crying for mommy. Just a thought!

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill


I've never wet my pants, run home, or cried for mommy. As for the first part, I just call it like I see it. If that is cowardly, color me yellow.

Oh, and as far as the picture goes..... back atcha.

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Yes the Church of Christ was a part of the Baptist Church right after the restoration movement, and yes the Campbells, Alexander and Thomas plus Elder John Smith had a big part in it, Alexander Campbell was at the time the President of Virginia College, now I invite you to go to the "Mallennial Harbinger" to see how dumb Alexander Campbell was, and while you are there click an the Alexander Campbell Page and the Restoration Movement at the bottom of the page,
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Originally posted by GreenLady:
Oh yeah, and I forgot about my CofC relatives who wouldn't participate in family worship during a summer vacation....just some praise courses, prayer and Bible reading. They got up, dressed up and drove 30 miles to the nearest CofC.


Tru,
Good point. I never asked since I only saw them once a year, but you're probably right.
GL
I'm gonna guess they wanted to take communion on the Lord's Day. Did you have it there?
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Originally posted by Trutooit-II:
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Originally posted by midacts:
There may be something to Slice's statement.

Doesn't the Church of Christ preach baptismal regeneration and you have to be baptised by a Church of Christ preacher? Like, if one transfers from, say, a Baptist church, I think the person has to be re-baptised.


Not at all true, but the Bible teaches, as we see it, baptism for remission of sins. Its my understanding the Freewill Baptist teach this, but I'm not sure. If you're baptized first "because" of remission of sins, yes, you would be rebaptized. It certainly doesn't have to be a preacher who baptizes you.


Here, from one of Alexander Campbell's books, is a list of very early Church Fathers and what they had to say about the purpose of baptism. They uniformly held that it was for remission of sins, and it is clear from their writings that baptism as practiced in that era was by immersion.

http://www.piney.com/AcCSPropXI.html

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