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This forum is the organ of a newspaper in the Deep South.  Bible Belt country.  No need to imagine.

 

And yet, no sort of Southern Orthodoxy goes unchallenged here.  Imagine.

 

The myth of Southern religious solidarity has been picked apart from Flannery O'Conner to William Faulkner to Randy Newman to Dusty Smith and yet, Southern Protestantism rules a virtual theocracy in Alabama.  Imagine.

 

When will it end?  When will Southern Constitutional patriots, religious and irreligious combined, join forces to end the religious tyranny of the Roy Moores, the Robert Bentleys, the Mo Brooks who thinks that those who champion the Jeffersonian, Constitutional separation of church and state are his "foes"?

 

Imagine a better day.  Imagine a freer country and freer Alabama for everyone, regardless of religious persuasion.

 

Imagine this:  When a religion imposes its values onto society in general, it is simply tyranny.  OK, that's not so hard to imagine.  There is Alabama, after all.

 

DF

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This Alabama Protestant conservative dominance is under challenge now by the Freedom From Religion Foundation.  I suspect that there will be more individual challenges by that  group to the widespread practice of using exclusively Christian prayer to open and/or close public meetings of governmental bodies.  It would be wise for Alabama cities and counties to anticipate this kind of challenge and either change their meeting formats or decide how they will respond when the hammer does fall.  But I doubt that any of them are doing anything in preparation for such a challenge.  If an when it comes, they will act all kinds of surprised and offended and play the populist Protestant card for all it is worth, but ultimately they will be compelled to change their ways..

 

Take note, though, NSNS, Mo Brooks is definitely not a Protestant; he is a member of the Mormon cult, which is its own thing and is not Protestant, Catholic, or Jewish--just wacky. 

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Take note, though, NSNS, Mo Brooks is definitely not a Protestant; he is a member of the Mormon cult, which is its own thing and is not Protestant, Catholic, or Jewish--just wacky.


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Funny, he doesn't seem any wackier than the rest of the denominations. 

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That statement simply reflects your ignorance of the extreme wackiness of Mormonism.

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by Contendah:

Take note, though, NSNS, Mo Brooks is definitely not a Protestant; he is a member of the Mormon cult, which is its own thing and is not Protestant, Catholic, or Jewish--just wacky. 

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Where did you get the idea that the Protestant, Catholic, & Jewish is not wacky?

There is wackiness to be found in many of the doctrines of certain Protestant and Catholic denominations.  If you doubt that, then check out some of the religious programming on cable TV, starting with the Crouch gang of money-grubbing heretics on TBN. 

 

Judaism, whether or not wacky, has expired in the eyes of God, but not, unfortunately, in the eyes of those who practice it today.

Originally Posted by Contendah:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Take note, though, NSNS, Mo Brooks is definitely not a Protestant; he is a member of the Mormon cult, which is its own thing and is not Protestant, Catholic, or Jewish--just wacky.


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Funny, he doesn't seem any wackier than the rest of the denominations. 

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That statement simply reflects your ignorance of the extreme wackiness of Mormonism.

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Your statement reflects your ignorance of the extreme wackiness of all the denominations. I can't imagine what they could believe that's any wackier than the others.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:
Originally Posted by Contendah:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Take note, though, NSNS, Mo Brooks is definitely not a Protestant; he is a member of the Mormon cult, which is its own thing and is not Protestant, Catholic, or Jewish--just wacky.


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Funny, he doesn't seem any wackier than the rest of the denominations. 

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That statement simply reflects your ignorance of the extreme wackiness of Mormonism.

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Your statement reflects your ignorance of the extreme wackiness of all the denominations. I can't imagine what they could believe that's any wackier than the others.

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Catholics are the wackiest, hands down.

Originally Posted by yoda:

but that's after they die... imagine going into a gun/knife fight with magic underwear... not to mention, if satan tries to getcha!

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I've never heard about the magic underwear. Yes, that's after they die, but look how they talk about it now. It's so wonderful they say, yet if they think they're going they start praying for it not to happen. Now that's messed up.

Originally Posted by vega:

DF like the song says, “You’ve got to stand for something or you’ll fall for anything”

This country would not be free today if it was made up of the weak resolve you envision instead of the warriors armed with faith in God. Your attempt to cas trate Alabama from California will fail.

it is beyond imagination that some could admit that you are correct, which you are, about our society and country.  So many want to morph the actions of those who founded this country into something they were not.  So many want to change the founders from men who reverenced God as creator and who were religious people who operated on religious moral principals and instead want to make them into men who wanted to remove religion from the land.  In fact they wanted to protect the right of people to worship as they wanted to without being told how to worship and who to worship or what they should believe.  Our nation has continued on this course and was generally a country of people who held onto religious principals.  

 

Had this not been the case and had our nation been conceived and developed by a majority of secular people who were like those who founded Liberal, Missouri then I submit that we, today, would be in a vastly different Nation if we would still be a nation at all.  The real question is what is so bothersome about rational, educated and intelligent people who believe and accept God as creator and as their deity?  There is much accusations about Christians forcing their opinions and beliefs on others but in fact it was just people honoring and worshiping their God all along and instead of enjoying the freedom that evolved from Christian people who formed a strong and great system of Government they want to now change things radically and alter that which has been standards for hundreds of years of this Countries history.  

 
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Isn't that just for services/special occasions? I only know a few mormons but the women wear shorts, not short shorts of course, but those things would still hang below the shorts. They'd die in the heat with all that garb on.

 

 

Best, I know relatively little about Mormon holy underwear, but a number of years ago, there was a case where a young woman was so besotted with a young Morman man that she followed him to his mission trip to the UK, and along with a male accomplice, kidnapped him and raped him (or forced him to have sex, if you prefer that phrasing). According to news reports and her account of the matter, she had to remove a type of chastity belt in order to have sex with the man. The woman has led a colorful life since then and her escapades have been made into a movie. She has never married and still avows her love for him. Go figure...

 instead of enjoying the freedom that evolved from Christian people who formed a strong and great system of Government they want to now change things radically and alter that which has been standards for hundreds of years of this Countries history.  


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Enjoying "that freedom"? The freedom to marry who you wish to marry? The freedom of your own personal religion, or the freedom of no religion in your life, schools, government without persecution?  We hear that talk all the time about "bringing god" back into schools, homes, government. But what about the people who don't want your brand of religion, or any religion, in their homes, being taught to their children, or running their government? Whose interpretation of the bible do you want pushed onto society? And lastly, what part of "separation of church and state" do you not get? Tell me once more why our "founding fathers" left england. Do you even understand why they left? Was england an atheist nation? A muslim nation?

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Where were the "founding fathers" born? Who actually left england because of religious "persecution"? Anyone?

We are waiting on you

 to advise us as to one of the thousands of reasons those brave souls jumped on a boat and lit out to the Americas. I’ll bet you are going to say religious persecution,

  Right?

quote:   Originally Posted by Deep Not Shallow Not Slim:

This forum is the organ of a newspaper in the Deep South.  Bible Belt country.  No need to imagine.   And yet, no sort of Southern Orthodoxy goes unchallenged here.  Imagine.

 

Imagine this:  When a religion imposes its values onto society in general, it is simply tyranny.  OK, that's not so hard to imagine.  There is Alabama, after all. DF

Hi all,

 

IMAGINE a boy named Deep who was born and grew up in the Shoals area of Alabama, who graduated from Sheffield High in the late 1940s, was even a paperboy delivering the TriCities Daily (forerunner of TimesDaily) whose Religion Forum he is denigrating for its Christian content -- and, who IS ASHAMED of his Alabama Southern heritage. 

 

IMAGINE that same boy, Deep, who prefers West Hollywood and its morals to Alabama Christian morals.

 

Need I say more?

 

Personally, I am proud to tell folks I was born and raised in Alabama; I am proud to tell folks my family still lives in Alabama; I am proud to tell folks that Alabama is the "belt buckle" of the Bible Belt; I am proud to declare that I am a Christian believer.  

 

Bless your heart, Deep.  Y'all come on back now, ya heah?

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Imagine a man so "proud" of his state that he left it in his early teens and never moved back. Imagine a man so "proud" of his family that he didn't contact/speak to his mother for, how long did you say bill? Wasn't it five years?  Why do you claim deep is ashamed of his "southern heritage"? You are certainly no southerner bill. BTW, don't you live in california?

quote:   Originally Posted by Jennifer Bestworking:

Imagine a man so "proud" of his state that he left it in his early teens and never moved back.  Imagine a man so "proud" of his family that he didn't contact/speak to his mother for, how long did you say bill?  Wasn't it five years?  Why do you claim deep is ashamed of his "southern heritage"?  You are certainly no southerner bill.  BTW, don't you live in california?


Hi Jennifer,

 

Yes, I did many things, such as hurting my mother by not contacting her for five years, when I was a follower of the world.  And, I did many other things to my shame during that time.  But, praise God, when I turned from the world and turned 180 degrees to become a Christ Follower -- all that was forgiven -- by my God and by my mother.  Mothers are wonderful that way -- and God, well, His love is beyond explaining.  One just has to have enough faith to accept His love.

 

You say I cannot be an Alabamian because I live in California.  Gee, does that mean that if you, for any reason, chose to live in Japan for a few years -- YOU would no longer be an American?  If that were the case, would we call you a Japanese -- or what?

 

Yes, Jennifer, I live in California.   Bred In Alabama, Fed In California, Blessed By God To Be A Christian American!    For a long time, that was my tag line -- and, I still believe it -- 1000%

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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You say I cannot be an Alabamian because I live in California.  Gee, does that mean that if you, for any reason, chose to live in Japan for a few years -- YOU would no longer be an American?  If that were the case, would we call you a Japanese -- or what?


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There goes that word twisting and your messed up logic. A "few" years? hmmmmmmmm So almost 60 years is a few? No, you aren't an Alabamian. You were born here, that's it. Funny thing that you say the "world" is what caused you to act like you did. So you take no personal responsibility for the things you did and still do?  Why do you say that deep can't be an Alabamian because he lives in california?

Hi Jennifer,

 

Where were you born?  And, where did you grow up -- before God blessed you by allowing you to move to Alabama?

 

Oh, by the way, I never said that Deep is not an Alabamian.  I said that what he writes tells us he is ASHAMED for people to know he is an Alabamian -- because Alabama is the "belt buckle" of the Bible Belt.  

 

Yes, my Friend, old Deep is an Alabamian, much to his chagrin.  Only he is one that sort of hangs his head in shame when his Hollywood friends ask him about it. 

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Well bill, as I have posted a hundred times to you, I was born in Sheffield and raised in Tuscumbia. Even had I not been born and raised here I wouldn't have needed your god's permission to move here. So, you know deep personally then? You've been with him and his hollywood friends and witnessed him hanging his head in shame? Or is that another one of your, ahem, stories?

The Constitution, not any religion, is the governing force of our nation. Just like science, it's true whether you believe in it or not. Unlike your god, this fact can be proven and it is so every time we challenge violations of State & Church in Alabama. We are only just beginning. Retreat to your churches, mind the Constitution or suffer the consequences, usually at taxpayer's expense.

Originally Posted by gbrk:
Originally Posted by vega:

DF like the song says, “You’ve got to stand for something or you’ll fall for anything”

This country would not be free today if it was made up of the weak resolve you envision instead of the warriors armed with faith in God. Your attempt to cas trate Alabama from California will fail.

it is beyond imagination that some could admit that you are correct, which you are, about our society and country.  So many want to morph the actions of those who founded this country into something they were not.  So many want to change the founders from men who reverenced God as creator and who were religious people who operated on religious moral principals and instead want to make them into men who wanted to remove religion from the land.  In fact they wanted to protect the right of people to worship as they wanted to without being told how to worship and who to worship or what they should believe.  Our nation has continued on this course and was generally a country of people who held onto religious principals.  

 

Had this not been the case and had our nation been conceived and developed by a majority of secular people who were like those who founded Liberal, Missouri then I submit that we, today, would be in a vastly different Nation if we would still be a nation at all.  The real question is what is so bothersome about rational, educated and intelligent people who believe and accept God as creator and as their deity?  There is much accusations about Christians forcing their opinions and beliefs on others but in fact it was just people honoring and worshiping their God all along and instead of enjoying the freedom that evolved from Christian people who formed a strong and great system of Government they want to now change things radically and alter that which has been standards for hundreds of years of this Countries history.  

 

gb, I stand for truth.  Truth that can be demonstrated as such.  Religion is not truth.  Religion is the problem, not the answer.  OK, arithmetic is also the answer.

 

DF

quote:   Originally Posted by A. Robustus:

Oh, the blind irony of a man deriding another for leaving Alabama to live in California while being himself a man who also left Alabama to live California.  Like everything else he does here, I bet he doesn't get it. 


Hi Robust,

 

No, my Friend, as usual, you have not understood what you have read.  That is strange for a person who puts so much faith in science and quotes from sciences journals -- but, then, that same person cannot understand a simple statement.  Or was it that you did not want to understand; more or less the same way you do not want to believe in God -- regardless of the fact that His glory is all around you?

 

Yes, Deep and I, like many other Alabamians, moved to other states because of our careers and jobs.  However, the big difference between Deep and myself -- is that Deep is ashamed of being from Alabama -- and I have great pride in being an Alabamian.   That, my Friend, is the gulf which we cannot seem to cross.

 

When Deep decided to deny God -- at the same time he evidently decided that he had to deny and defame Alabama, and all Southerners -- because of our Christian heritage.

 

Yes, Deep and I are in California -- but, our hearts are in a totally different universe.

 

By the way, Robust -- how do YOU feel about Alabama, Alabamians, and all other Southerners?  Are you also ashamed to be counted as one of us?

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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