Impeach Bush, or get out of the way:

And they will think about it for a nano second and realize they are living in a free nation and not a radio-active chemically contaminated wasteland and say they were good people. They will be thankful that the DemoRats didn't convince them to turn tail and run. They will know that they can worship a real God of their choosing, not the moon god that some people had to at the start of the 21st century. Ain't it GREAT!!!

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Originally posted by Old Man4:
And they will think about it for a nano second and realize they are living in a free nation and not a radio-active chemically contaminated wasteland and say they were good people. They will be thankful that the DemoRats didn't convince them to turn tail and run. They will know that they can worship a real God of their choosing, not the moon god that some people had to at the start of the 21st century. Ain't it GREAT!!!

Them DemoRats are the ones that is saving Bush's Butt! And you think the Right Wing NeOcons are the GOD PARTY? Better read and understand your Bible!!

Another anti-semetic raving from our house troll.

I am Happy that I can read a Bible instead of being told that it is illegal and that I would have to read a kuran.

Thank goodness the government has not put even more tax dollars to waste. I can never understand tax payers wanting to throw away more money. If PBA pays taxes.

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Originally posted by Old Man4:
And they will think about it for a nano second and realize they are living in a free nation and not a radio-active chemically contaminated wasteland and say they were good people. They will be thankful that the DemoRats didn't convince them to turn tail and run. They will know that they can worship a real God of their choosing, not the moon god that some people had to at the start of the 21st century. Ain't it GREAT!!!

Have you ever been to Utah? The town of Hurricane has one of the highest rates of leukemia on earth. The reason is Radio Active Sand used in the mortar to build their homes. The sand got radio active from Nuclear Weapons Testing because "we had to have them." Are you aware of the radio active waste in the Tennessee Valley? Do you know how much radio active dust our depleted uranium weaponry has left in the sands of Iraq, Bosnia and Afghanistan?

Have you never heard of Love Canal? Is anyone testing your well for pollutants? Have you had your home checked for radon?

One last question, which of the over 3,000 "real" Gods are you referring to? Muslims, Christians, and Jews all bow to the same God.

I have been doing some comparative research the past couple of days, and have come to the conclusion that Mormons are Muslims. They seem to have come to the same "truth" about Mohamed, though the Mormons call him by a different name. If you bother to study those religions you may come to a different conclusion, but till you can demonstrate that the golden tablet was not an inscription of Islamic teaching, I suggest that I am right in believing they MAY be.

Bush and Cheney should both be impeached for lying to the American people about Iraq. They are responsible for the deaths of over 3,000 Americans and the wounding and maiming of close to another 20,000. Not to count the untold suffering it has caused among American soldiers and their families. A war for the profits of the oil corporations.

They are also War Criminals and International Treaties are also the law of the land and Rice, Powell, Rumsfeld and the whole Bush administration are guilty and should face trial.
They are traitors to this country. Thomas Jefferson wrote that doing harm to ones country is treason.

Starting an illegal war killing hundreds of thousands of Iraqi's, authorizing kidnappings, secret prisons and torture are also crimes. They should be impeached and face prosecution.

They also betrayed the constitution which they had sworn to uphold and protect.

Illegal wiretapping is also a crime.

The whole administration should be impeached and held accountable, as well as democrats and the media. It is why they downplay and ignore impeachment. They are all co-conspirators in these crimes.

The American people need to end this criminal administration before it commits more murder. We owe it to our country, the world, our children, our selfs and our constitution.

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Originally posted by Old Man4:
I am Happy that I can read a Bible instead of being told that it is illegal and that I would have to read a kuran.

The saddest part about your statement is that there really are people who have been convinced by Bush's administration that we would be an Islamic country were it not for our occupation in Iraq. It's sickening. What began as a hunt for WMDs (instead of Bin Laden), turned into an act of revenge on Saddam (which would have been fine considering how horrible the man was, but we had bigger issues at the time), now it's become some kind of philanthropic mission to ameliorate Iraq! In the midst of it all, Bush and his so called "religious right" have used their loaded rhetoric to make people believe that Americans would be forced to read the Qur'an had we not gone through with all of this!

I am going to suggest looking up the "A 28 Movement." Have fun with it. http://www.a28.org/

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Originally posted by one who posts:

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Originally posted by Old Man4:
I am Happy that I can read a Bible instead of being told that it is illegal and that I would have to read a kuran.

The saddest part about your statement is that there really are people who have been convinced by Bush's administration that we would be an Islamic country were it not for our occupation in Iraq. It's sickening. What began as a hunt for WMDs (instead of Bin Laden), turned into an act of revenge on Saddam (which would have been fine considering how horrible the man was, but we had bigger issues at the time), now it's become some kind of philanthropic mission to ameliorate Iraq! In the midst of it all, Bush and his so called "religious right" have used their loaded rhetoric to make people believe that Americans would be forced to read the Qur'an had we not gone through with all of this!

one who posts, I think you need to be more careful with your aim. There are people like Old Man 4, but you let him off the hook for his imbicilic remark by blaming it on people who actually never said it. WE ARE NOT AT RISK OF LOOSING THE BIBLE.
I personally think Jefferson had the right Idea when he edited it. In fact, I think the Jefferson Bible would make a good text for the House and Senate Ethics committees.

Old Man 4 is a lying sack of frightened jello. He thinks that making non Christians DEAD non Christians will make a Christian out of me. He really believes in "scaring the Devil out of people." Can't help him, but I am mad at you for excusing his crap by blaming it on someone else.

NOTICE THIS, I AM TALKING TO YOU, NOT THE Old Man 4 who I don't have enough respect for to read, and don't unless someone I do respect, like yourself, responds to his ***t.

I lied. I do read his ***t and I even respond to it when it is just off the mark instead of bigotry and and Brown Sugar.

I sure want to let loose on Old Man 4, but good taste, and the TD Moderators are restraining me. I AM BEING CENSORED, (self censored) because the tone of this forum is great, and I don't want to bring it down.

EdEKit:

I am going to suggest looking up the "A 28 Movement." Have fun with it. http://www.a28.org/

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Great Site.

The people are demanding action against this criminal government we have yet the Democrats and Media are ignoring it. They are also co-conspirators in this illegal war. We need to put pressure on our representatives and media to examine the facts and act.

Imeachment is a process that protects our democracy and if we want to rotect it from a real threat of government tyranny then the people better organize and act.

Stop waiting for our leaders and media, we need to lead the way.

Agreed!

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EdEKit:

I am going to suggest looking up the "A 28 Movement." Have fun with it. http://www.a28.org/

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Great Site.

The people are demanding action against this criminal government we have yet the Democrats and Media are ignoring it. They are also co-conspirators in this illegal war. We need to put pressure on our representatives and media to examine the facts and act.

Imeachment is a process that protects our democracy and if we want to rotect it from a real threat of government tyranny then the people better organize and act.

Stop waiting for our leaders and media, we need to lead the way.

I am with KS here, Agreed! and will go a step further. Your State legislature can call for either impeachment or investigation of specific allegations. All they need to is pass the resolution.

ENOUGH LET'S GET THIS BALL ROLLING. IF GONZALES WON'T RESIGN, IMPEACH HIM. If Rice won't resign, Impeach Her. WE NEED TO GET THESE TYRANTS OUT OF THE WOODWORK. BEFORE WE CAN GET ANYTHING ELSE DONE.
http://www.millionphonemarch.com/impeach_already.php

I know its hard to take for the bush/cheney supporters, but this administration has been a failure. They appear to be the most corrupt, inept administration in my recollection. Worse than Carter? Absolutely. Carter had only ONE term with which to make his mess. I would not hold my breath waiting for history to view this moron favorably.

EdEKit

ENOUGH LET'S GET THIS BALL ROLLING. IF GONZALES WON'T RESIGN, IMPEACH HIM. If Rice won't resign, Impeach Her. WE NEED TO GET THESE TYRANTS OUT OF THE WOODWORK. BEFORE WE CAN GET ANYTHING ELSE DONE.
http://www.millionphonemarch.com/impeach_already.php

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Urging our legislators to act is important, and we should write letters to our papers but we also have to be educated on the issues and be able to state the reasons why they should be impeached.

I notice that any time I mention impeachment I am met with the same knee jerk responses of why it won't work. " There's not enough members in congress or the Senate to support it" and "They only have a year or so to go" and "it's only cause the republicans impeached Clinton," and so forth and so on. That's because the media and democrats are leading the debate. They fill the airwaves and print with spin to discourage any action by the people. It is because they are all guilty and don't want to bring attention to themselves and their participation in the Invasion of Iraq and their previous silence on Bush's crimes. They are actually once again beating the drums of war and fear and cheering on the President's threat of attacking Iran.

There are a number of good sites that are putting out information on why they need to be impeached. We should know the exact crimes and reasons why we feel they should be impeached. We then need to inform others. Most people trust their media as their main source of information but they are being filled with disinformation and led off the track.. We need to get the message out. The more they know the more likely they are to act.

Disagree or not, It would be a terrible waste of money to start an impeachment that would not be over until the the next President is elected.Good grief enough tax dollars have been spent. Let's save a few for the the next pres. to throw away.

ooooohhh! I strongly disagree! If we can afford to impeach over cigars and dna on a blue dress, then we certainly can afford to impeach for war crimes and treason! That's all I'm saying.

And I respectfully disagee, Bush has only a short time left in office. Any action would be a waste of time and money.

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And I respectfully disagee, Bush has only a short time left in office. Any action would be a waste of time and money.

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You have every right to disagree but polls show that 50% and more of the American people do want a deeper examination and if Bush and others are guilty should be impeached. And that's without much discussion by the media or the Democrats, who continue to ignore and downplay it. If they went into details like they did with Clinton and the American people examined the crimes I believe they would be angered and would demand impeachment.

The point is the media and the democrats are also co-conspirators in some of these crimes and have no interest in exposing their roles or their silence either.They still continue to commit crimes and continue on their criminal path. These policies and wars are not in the American peoples best interests.

I believe the crimes warrant an investigation and are serious enough to demand impeachment.
We need to stop this criminal administration before it does more damage. We owe it to ourselves, our own security, those American soldiers who died in Iraq as well as their families, as well as the Iraqi's who died and their families.

We owe it to future generations and to the constitution.

Let's examine the crimes and let the people decide.

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Originally posted by Old Man4:
I am Happy that I can read a Bible instead of being told that it is illegal and that I would have to read a kuran.

Perhaps you would benefit from reading the Qu'ran. I don't think it prohibits reading the Bible, it even refers to it frequently.

You say you are afraid of having your religion taken from you. Well, Muslims have the same fear.

Well, Thank the Reformation and Gutenberg for your right to read either. You are allowed to read the Bible because of the Reformation, Thousands of People died to assure you that right, and they were not Americans, The reformation began in the 16th Century, Gutenberg printed the bible in 1455. The Pope ordered the burning of all books quesioning the authority of the Church in 1501. William Tyndale at about age 12, reads the Bible in English to his fellow students, translating it from Latin as he goes. 1519 Luther begins teaching the New Testament in sermons, beginning Biblical Preaching.
The King James Bible, not yet completed, is first published in 1611. A thousand years before the King James Bible, Mohamed had founded Islam. 900 years before the first New Testament based sermon Islam is established.
Your fears are well grounded Old Man4, William Tyndale was executed for translating the Bible into English.
1689, the Toleration Act Granted Freedom to worship to English Dissenters. 100 year later the United States Constitution was ratified and became the foundation of Our Great Nation.

Do you want to talk about this Old Man4? I am ready.

Start here, http://www.williamtyndale.com/0reformationtimeline.htm
it is a simple time line of the history of Christianity in England.

Impeachment has three effects. It removes the office holder, bars any future elective office, and eliminates any possible pardon for the crimes charged. Impeachment is withing the realm of possibility even after an office holder has completed a term in office. Only the Dead Cannot be impeached.

EdEKit:

Impeachment has three effects. It removes the office holder, bars any future elective office, and eliminates any possible pardon for the crimes charged. Impeachment is within the realm of possibility even after an office holder has completed a term in office. Only the Dead Cannot be impeached.

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The problem with waiting is that these criminals continue on their destructive path. They are now threatening to attack Iran and once again we are seeing all these claims about so called Iranian crimes on very questionable evidence.

They are also continuing the war in Iraq. Bush vows to veto any bill calling for a timetable. The bill the democrats have passed is a very mild and a weak bill that has loop holes. The American people want to withdraw the troops. They lied about the war and it is illegal. They war criminals. They need to be stopped.

An attack on Iran will add to the instability of the region and as many speculate throw the region into chaos. It will jeopardize our troops in Iraq. The Shiites that are aligned with Iran will rise up against us. Already Sadr is calling for an end to the civil war and to expel the US troops. It will also increase hatred for the US throughout the world making a terrorist attack in America all the more likely.

They continue there crimes against the Geneva Convention in Guatanamo while the FBI continues to spy on Americans who are legally using their constitutional rights to dissent.

This is a criminal administration that needs to be stopped and removed.

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Originally posted by themax:
And I respectfully disagee, Bush has only a short time left in office. Any action would be a waste of time and money.

Max, I was in agreement with you until after the Nov elections last year. I see that Bush has not intention of bowing to the will of the American people. He seems to think of himself as more of a king, or emperior than as a president who is responsible to an electorate.
I have therefore changed my mind and believe he should be impeached at the earliest possible time in an effort to prevent him screwing up our country even more.
All it would take is a few Republicans who are real statesmen, instead of being party loyalist.

Bush should be impeached and removed. I really dont care if its in the last hour. He needs to get the message he refuses to hear. Its time for him to go, or be nutered from causing any further trouble for our nation.

A really good thing for both of those *******es (Bush & Cheney) would be a labotimy.

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Originally posted by DHS-86:
A really good thing for both of those *******es (Bush & Cheney) would be a labotimy.

LOL DHS...

But that would be something they would have to AGREE to, and the ONLY thing they AGREE on is 3 little words...

"STAY THE COURSE"...

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Originally posted by meanasasnake:
Bush should be impeached and removed. I really dont care if its in the last hour. He needs to get the message he refuses to hear. Its time for him to go, or be nutered from causing any further trouble for our nation.

If Bush and Cheney were brought up on Impeachment charges, it would be a literal fiasco.... Cheney is much smarter and richer than Bush is, and would roll over on him in a New York second... No one thinks that Cheney would ever take a fall for Bush do they?

Cheney has actually been President, Bush is just his puppet.

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Originally posted by meanasasnake:
Bush should be impeached and removed. I really dont care if its in the last hour. He needs to get the message he refuses to hear. Its time for him to go, or be nutered from causing any further trouble for our nation.

Agreed, but even more important is putting the power of policy back in the Congress.
This whole crisis is a result of the evolution of Presidential power over the years this nation has existed.
Fast Track Trade Agreements, War Powers, much of the Patriot Act, all provide power to the White House that is not properly Balanced by oversight.

A major cause of the problems we have at the moment, and will have in the future, are directly related to legislation increasing Presidential power. Bush acts like a dictator, because he was supported by congress for six years, he has not faced opposition.

We do need to impeach or otherwise take power away from Bush, but giving the same power to someone else, will not solve the problem. It will just give us a different "dictator."

We really need to change the system.

Britain does not have a President. They have a monarch. Over the centuries the office of Monarch has lost power to the point where today the Queen has virtually no power. The opposite has been the case in American Government, with the office of President gaining more power as the years rolled by. Right now, there is a political debate in the UK, about creating an executive president, and taking the Monarchy completely out of politics.

Impeachment is an alternative to a "No Confidence" vote. In Parliamentary systems the Prime Minister is selected from the Parliament. Not directly elected, and can be removed if his coalition breaks down over policy. In our system the President is not that easily removed from office, and in fact has to be criminal to end his term earlier than the statutory date.

We need to do something about the "imperial" presidency of GW Bush and we need to do it sooner not later. We need to take control over the presidency. And we need to demonstrate a willingness to do it whenever it becomes necessary in the future. Impeaching Bush and Cheney, and we have to impeach both of them, would change the complexion of government today, and it would change it for years to come.

Or, we need to change the basic structure of government. Perhaps both, with impeachment first.

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Originally posted by themax:
And I respectfully disagee, Bush has only a short time left in office. Any action would be a waste of time and money.

Correct, about the short time left in office. But I respectfully disagree. We need to present a message that says, "The President is not omnipotent." Our system is clumsy when it comes to dealing with crime. It is slow and deliberate because it protects the innocent. Bush is NOT innocent, Clinton was innocent, Nixon was guilty. Nixon did the right thing, he resigned. Clinton did the right thing, he defended himself. So far Bush and Cheney have thumbed their noses at the American people, refusing to even recognize the will of the people. They need to be removed, to demonstrate the power of the people to remove ANY president.

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Originally posted by Pogo142:
EdEKit:

Impeachment has three effects. It removes the office holder, bars any future elective office, and eliminates any possible pardon for the crimes charged. Impeachment is within the realm of possibility even after an office holder has completed a term in office. Only the Dead Cannot be impeached.

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The problem with waiting is that these criminals continue on their destructive path. They are now threatening to attack Iran and once again we are seeing all these claims about so called Iranian crimes on very questionable evidence.

They are also continuing the war in Iraq. Bush vows to veto any bill calling for a timetable. The bill the democrats have passed is a very mild and a weak bill that has loop holes. The American people want to withdraw the troops. They lied about the war and it is illegal. They war criminals. They need to be stopped.

An attack on Iran will add to the instability of the region and as many speculate throw the region into chaos. It will jeopardize our troops in Iraq. The Shiites that are aligned with Iran will rise up against us. Already Sadr is calling for an end to the civil war and to expel the US troops. It will also increase hatred for the US throughout the world making a terrorist attack in America all the more likely.

They continue there crimes against the Geneva Convention in Guatanamo while the FBI continues to spy on Americans who are legally using their constitutional rights to dissent.

This is a criminal administration that needs to be stopped and removed.

Well pogo, again you touch the cornerstone. We need to impose the will of the people on the Administration. IMPOSE it because he will not accept it without drastic measures.

By the way, today the conference committee has come to a compromise on the withdrawal timetable, making the dates "non binding." Bush has responded that even with a NON BINDING timetable he will veto the bill.

THE MAN IS A DANGER TO HIMSELF AND OTHERS. DON'T LET HIM KEEP HIS WEAPONS.