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Impeaching George W. Bush

J Jan55Old Faithful
Impeaching George W. Bush



Until recently, talk of ousting President George W. Bush has proved little more than a distant rumbling. For too long, impeachment has been deemed implausible. It’s not going to happen with a Republican Congress, so the argument goes. Not with the president finishing his second term, not while we're at war.

But the distant rumbling is growing louder by the day, creating a resonant echo that is rapidly taking root in public discourse. “Impeach Him,” reads the cover of this month’s Harper’s magazine. And in a public forum in New York City last week, journalists, lawyers, and political figures came together to discuss the case against our president.

Since September 11th, 2001, there has been no shortage of news regarding this administration’s involvement in torture, lies, secrecy and obstruction of the law. Yet, there has been little discussion in the mainstream media of holding those in power accountable for the actions so diligently catalogued by the press. It is a conspicuous vacuum that helps to explain why calls for impeachment are rapidly gaining currency.

In fact, the case for the impeachment of President Bush is arguably the strongest in American history. The Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR) makes this amply clear in its recent book, a concise indictment of President Bush that lays out four clear legal arguments that point to impeachment as a necessary remedy for the gross violation of our Constitution. The Articles of Impeachment Against George W. Bush covers illegal wiretapping, torture, rendition, detention and the Iraq war. An appendix compares the impeachment proceedings of Andrew Johnson, Nixon and Clinton to the comparatively more powerful case against Bush.

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PR Peter RiellyPost Master
PBA, you already posted like this exact thing a couple of weeks ago....the same thing applies now as did then....are you reading.... GEORGE W. BUSH HAS DONE NOTHING TO BE IMPEACHED FOR THUS HE WILL NOT BE IMPEACHED, SO YOU AND THE OTHER LIBBIES CAN HOLD YOUR COLLECTIVE BREATHS IS YOU LIKE....WE'LL MISS YOU ALL.
Seriously, please stop posting ridiculous crap that has no bearing or meaning on or about anything relevant in this country....get out of the weeds and move into the real world.
J Jan55Old Faithful
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Originally posted by Peter Rielly:
PBA, you already posted like this exact thing a couple of weeks ago....the same thing applies now as did then....are you reading.... GEORGE W. BUSH HAS DONE NOTHING TO BE IMPEACHED FOR THUS HE WILL NOT BE IMPEACHED, SO YOU AND THE OTHER LIBBIES CAN HOLD YOUR COLLECTIVE BREATHS IS YOU LIKE....WE'LL MISS YOU ALL.
Seriously, please stop posting ridiculous crap that has no bearing or meaning on or about anything relevant in this country....get out of the weeds and move into the real world.



I know Peter, but I had this bad dream last night about Hitler who came back reincarnated AS King George W. Bush. It was real scary too Peter! You should have been there to see for yourself. Peter, I got to get out of them weeds and go to your church and get right and give alot of money so I can go to heaven and be with you. Just think Peter, me and you in heaven with George W.,Karl Rove,Dick head Chaney. Hey,I wonder if we will see Nixon up there. Just think Peter you can tell them you got me saved and how bad I use to put them down until one day I met Peter. You need to write a book and call it, How I change pba into a right winger. Yep,PBA got brain washed by a right winger.
PR Peter RiellyPost Master
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Originally posted by PBA:
quote:
Originally posted by Peter Rielly:
PBA, you already posted like this exact thing a couple of weeks ago....the same thing applies now as did then....are you reading.... GEORGE W. BUSH HAS DONE NOTHING TO BE IMPEACHED FOR THUS HE WILL NOT BE IMPEACHED, SO YOU AND THE OTHER LIBBIES CAN HOLD YOUR COLLECTIVE BREATHS IS YOU LIKE....WE'LL MISS YOU ALL.
Seriously, please stop posting ridiculous crap that has no bearing or meaning on or about anything relevant in this country....get out of the weeds and move into the real world.



I know Peter, but I had this bad dream last night about Hitler who came back reincarnated AS King George W. Bush. It was real scary too Peter! You should have been there to see for yourself. Peter, I got to get out of them weeds and go to your church and get right and give alot of money so I can go to heaven and be with you. Just think Peter, me and you in heaven with George W.,Karl Rove,Dick head Chaney. Hey,I wonder if we will see Nixon up there. Just think Peter you can tell them you got me saved and how bad I use to put them down until one day I met Peter. You need to write a book and call it, How I change pba into a right winger. Yep,PBA got brain washed by a right winger.


I'm not trying to brainwash you, simply pointing out your idiodic posts. Anyone who compares Bush to Hitler is the most ignorant, unintelligent sack of usless human matter possible. The reason is because it is based on nothing but a dislike of Bush which is the hip, cool thing in the MTV age we are livig in. It has nothing to do with any similarity between the two men....It's done for shock value hoping some other useless sap will hear it and immediately jump on the loonie libbie bandwagon. Once again, I'm a big proponant of free speech, but just because a dog turd would be free to eat it don't mean I'd do it...If you don't get it, that means...stop talking.
S SeaweedPost Master
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Originally posted by Netracer41:
First, the President has done nothing worthy of impeachment. Secondly impeachment means little without a conviction. The evil A-hole Clinton was rightly impeached, but the wimp congress didn't choose to convict him so his sorry butt stayed in office even with the shame of impeachment.


What particular act of "Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors " was Clinton guilty of?
Netracer41Netracer41Hall of Famer
Clinton never told the truth about anything. In my humble opinion Bill Clinton was the worst President ever to take the oath, with the possible exception of FDR who sold the entire Country down the river just to get votes and wield power over the poor with his so called "new deal". Clinton would rightly be classified as a sociopath. I have seen no charges of anything leveled against our current President
P Pogo142Post Master
Clinton faced impeachment and was not convicted by the Senate. The majority of the American people also opposed impeachment because they didn't feel Clinton's private affairs were an impeachable offense.

Bush lied us into a war and has authorized kidnapping of "suspects" to secret prisons and the use of torture. People have died and lives ruined.

He also ignored the law and wiretapped US citizens without court approvable. A lot more serious offenses then lying to a political kangaroo inquiry about a private affair.

More people support impeachment of Bush then supported impeachment against Clinton yet the corporate media gave us 24/7 Clinton and Monica TV, and radio.

Constitutional Lawyers and former Federal Prosecutors have suggested Bush's abuse of signing statements as being illegal. Definitely an abuse of power.

The main reason Bush must be impeached is he must be stopped as he continues his lies in Iraq and an attack on Iran.
Z zippadeedoodahOld Faithful
Righto. A good police officer was convicted here of perjury (maybe you heard of the whole OJ Simpson thing) for something that was not even material to the trial. He got a felony conviction and probation.

Slick Willie's lies were definitely material. Also, Slick Willie had an army general fired for having sex with one of his subordinates. But Bill probably pardoned himself.

But his worst crime was foisting Hillary off on this country. For that he should be drawn and quartered, castrated, disembowelled, and drowned in a toilet in a Mexican restaurant after burrito night.
P Pogo142Post Master
The House voted to impeach Clinton but the Senate refused to convict him. They didn't feel to lie about an affair was an impeachable offense. If anyone on this Forum was ever in the same situation they would get the same results. We are not living under religious law and most people feel it is a private affair.

The majority of Americans were against impeachment of Clinton.

Bush has committed real crimes and I have listed them numerous times. Lying about the Iraq war and WMD, wiretapping US citizens without court approval, authorizing kidnappings, torture and secret prisons where "suspects" have died. Some constitutional lawyers have also said his abuse of signing statements, which he has declared over 700, is also an abuse of power.

All these crimes demand investigation but congress does not act and the corporate media is silent. The corporate media gave us 24/7 on Clinton even though the people opposed it and more people now support impeachment of Bush then of Clinton yet the corporate media and congress ignore it.

There are a number of theories as to why they are not acting and the main ine is they see Bush and the republicans self destructing and don't want to "rock the boat." They are coasting to victory in the next elections. They are spinless corporate democrats who care little for the people.

Just because they will not act doesn't mean they shouldn't or the evidence is not there.

It's up to the people to demand accountability.
J Jan55Old Faithful
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Originally posted by Netracer41:
Clinton never told the truth about anything. In my humble opinion Bill Clinton was the worst President ever to take the oath, with the possible exception of FDR who sold the entire Country down the river just to get votes and wield power over the poor with his so called "new deal". Clinton would rightly be classified as a sociopath. I have seen no charges of anything leveled against our current President



What do you call poor? You must be talking about poor rich people. It was FDR that saved the real poor people, the working class.

You say>I have seen no charges of anything leveled against our current President Bush. Thats because you're in a high paying job like Ceo,or lawyer. You think the way you think because Bush has taking very good care of people like you. So in return you take care of Bush no matter if he is right or wrong,you look the other way and see nothing. You support the war because its making you money.
I interventorPost Master
The stockmarket crash of 1929 caused a recession. Congress with its protectionist laws, imitated by the other nations, shut down worldwide trade and started the Great Depression -- the greatest since about 50 AD. Hoover did a few things, not well, to aleve the suffering. FDR, a member of the traditional old money northeasterners, tried the shotgun approach -- try everything and see what works. A lot failed, some succeeded.
S SHELDIVR (Guest)
If there was any way under the sun or moon to impeach President George W. Bush, those Democrats you elected (may be smarter than the ones posting all this impeachment nonsense) would be working night and day to get it done.

As a matter of fact, they would go for a "two-fer" and get Vice President Dick Cheney at the same time so that Nancy Pelosi (another very rich person) would then become President by default...now really, if impeachment was an option don't you think it would have already happened?
P Pogo142Post Master
I don't really want to get into a big debate about the depression and as usual we are going off the subject. Interventor gave the republican side and I will answer with the democratic side.

The stock market crash caused the depression and Hoover's policies failed. I did read that he did care but trusted the bankers and other industry leaders but it was the wealthy class, or as FDR called them, the "Economic Royalists" who had no intention of seeing any programs for the working people succeed.

FDR showed leadership, instilled confidence and put people to work. My father and many of his generations families were saved by the government work programs and ideas of FDR.

Not everything he tried worked but he was for the regular people and good of the nation, as a whole. He believed in taxing corporations and the wealthy and investing in public works, transit, schools, hospitals, libraries, parks and social programs to help everyone.

He was called a "traitor to his class," by many of the wealthy "Economic Royalists."

There are democrats, like Conyers, Kucinich and the progressive caucus who have laid out the case for impeachment of both Cheney and Bush. They have even said they should impeach Cheney first so Bush can pick a replacement so Pelosi doesn't become president but the democratic leadership has made a political decision not to impeach. Mainly because Bush is bringing the republicans down and they are self destructing on their own and giving the democrats a good shot at the White House and control of both houses.

Pelosi and the democratic leadership are just as corporate and corrupt and the republicans. The corporate media are just huge corporations that promote the interests of corporations and the wealthy.
S SeaweedPost Master
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Originally posted by Pogo142:
I don't really want to get into a big debate about the depression and as usual we are going off the subject. Interventor gave the republican side and I will answer with the democratic side.

The stock market crash caused the depression and Hoover's policies failed. I did read that he did care but trusted the bankers and other industry leaders but it was the wealthy class, or as FDR called them, the "Economic Royalists" who had no intention of seeing any programs for the working people succeed.

FDR showed leadership, instilled confidence and put people to work. My father and many of his generations families were saved by the government work programs and ideas of FDR.

Not everything he tried worked but he was for the regular people and good of the nation, as a whole. He believed in taxing corporations and the wealthy and investing in public works, transit, schools, hospitals, libraries, parks and social programs to help everyone.

He was called a "traitor to his class," by many of the wealthy "Economic Royalists."

There are democrats, like Conyers, Kucinich and the progressive caucus who have laid out the case for impeachment of both Cheney and Bush. They have even said they should impeach Cheney first so Bush can pick a replacement so Pelosi doesn't become president but the democratic leadership has made a political decision not to impeach. Mainly because Bush is bringing the republicans down and they are self destructing on their own and giving the democrats a good shot at the White House and control of both houses.

Pelosi and the democratic leadership are just as corporate and corrupt and the republicans. The corporate media are just huge corporations that promote the interests of corporations and the wealthy.


Hoover was known before his presidency as "the great humanitarian". His policies were Hands off. He did not want the government to intervene in business, hence the collapse of our economy.

You are right of course that all FDR's alphabet programs did not work. Thing about him was, if he noticed something didn't work, he would stop it and start something else. None of this "stay the course" crap for him. That's what a smart person can do.

Not too long ago, I was opposed to impeaching Bush, just because of the strain it would put on our country. I have changed my mind. He just scares the crap out of me. He is just crazy enough to attack Iran, or who knows who else.
I interventorPost Master
Hoover was a social liberal and a fiscal conservative. He was known for programs sending food to Belgium, saved from starvation, literally, and Russia during the WWI era.

As to the shutting down of world trade causing worldwide depression, that's what helped it go worldwide.

"In contrast, economist Charles Kindleberger, in The World in Depression, 1929-1939, sees the depression as a global event caused by a lack of world economic leadership. According to Kindleberger, Britain provided leadership before World War I. It fostered global trade by keeping its markets open, promoted expansion by making overseas investments, and prevented financial crises with emergency loans. After World War II the United States played this role. But between the wars no country did, and the depression fed on itself, Kindleberger argues. No country did enough to halt banking crises, and the entire industrial world adopted protectionist measures in attempts to curtail imports. In 1930, for example, President Herbert Hoover signed the Smoot-Hawley tariff, raising tariffs on dutiable items by 52 percent. The protectionism put an extra brake on world trade just when countries should have been promoting it. "

http://www.econlib.org/LIBRARY/Enc/GreatDepression.html
P Pogo142Post Master
I think with FDR is was a matter of ideology. He was from the wealthy class and saw the inequalities and greed, like Gore Vidal does. He saw the governments role as to serve the people so their "inalienable rights were ensured." The government was to work for the people. He called those who used their wealth and power to control the country, ensure inequality and bleed the people as "Economic Royalists." He was right. . Today they are called the "Corporate Class."
The "Reagan Revolution" came along and called the government the enemy. It was to dismantle it to ensure the corporate class's power.

Cheney would be impeached first so Bush can appoint a new Vice president to allow a smoother transition rather then having Pelosi become president.

They both are guilty of impeachable crimes and continue to claim they are above the law.
I interventorPost Master
FDR was probably a utilitarian. He was faced with an economic catastrophe unseen since about 50 AD. He tried everything to see what would work and stuffed the Supreme Court to get his way. I don't blame him -- faced with the same situation, and with economic science in its infancy can see doing much the same.

Aleviate immediate suffering and try to see what will get the economy started again. We know more now and the results are well codified.
NashBamaNashBamaOld Faithful
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FDR was influenced by John Kenneth Galbraith who was a Keynesian economist. We saw decades of the government serving the people and prosperity for the middle class.


Which decades are you talking about? FDR tried everything he could to pull us out of the depression but just couldn't do it. It was entering WWII and the demand for supplies, weapons, and such that jump started the economy. He died before the end of the war, so not sure what decades you're talking about.
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