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Congressman Robert Wexler wants to call Scott McClellan to testify under oath before the House Judiciary Committee about Bush the war criminals lies and deceptions of the American people. Below is the text of a letter Wexler emailed to supporters of his efforts to impeach Bush:

Last night, significant news broke that directly impacts our push for Impeachment Hearings and a possible Inherent Contempt charge for Bush Administration officials such as Karl Rove:

Former White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan has revealed in his upcoming book that:

• Karl Rove, Scooter Libby, and Vice President Cheney lied about their role in revealing the identity of Valerie Plame Wilson – actions easily amounting to obstruction of Justice.

McClellan also admitted that:

• There was a coordinated effort within the Bush Administration to use propaganda to pump up the case for the Iraq war and hide the projected costs of the war from the public.

Scott McClellan must be called to testify under oath before the House Judiciary Committee to tell Congress and the American people everything he knows about this massive effort by the White House to deceive this nation into war.

Last week, a subpoena was issued for Karl Rove to testify before the Judiciary Committee. It appears he will take every legal action to block this subpoena. The truth is that Congress has the right – and obligation – to hold him accountable now - not months or years from now. It is long past time to pass Inherent Contempt and bring Rove, Libby and others before Congress.

We simply cannot ignore these recent developments, nor should we postpone serious inquiry until after the next election.

Your commitment to accountability for the Bush/Cheney Administration, and the support of 230,000 other Americans who signed up at wexlerwantshearings.com, has inspired and motivated me in my effort to hold impeachment hearings for Vice President Dick Cheney and Inherent Contempt for Rove and others. During the past months I have been a tireless and dogged advocate of this vitally important cause.

Many of you have written me, asking for an update on where we stand with regards to impeachment hearings. I know most of you believe - as I do - that impeachment hearings for Vice President Cheney – are not only justified, but that it is our constitutional obligation to look into the serious allegations of wrongdoing that have been raised. This is especially true based on the newest revelations from Scott McClellan.

I believe that it is the duty of Congress to pursue impeachment whenever there's significant evidence of wrongdoing, be it by Republicans or Democrats, regardless of the timing of elections or the current political environment.

Some of you have written me demanding that I deliver hearings or impeachment. As hard as I have been fighting for this cause, I cannot make impeachment happen by myself. What I can do, and what I have been doing at every turn, is trying to communicate two simple messages to my colleagues:

• the serious allegations of wrongdoing and the clear-cut rationale for impeachment hearings;and
• the fact that the public will support our efforts when Congress boldly acts on the side of justice and accountability.

Unfortunately, to date, these arguments have not been enough to convince even a majority of the liberal and progressive Members of Congress to support impeachment hearings. In addition, the leadership of the Democratic Party in Congress genuinely feels that pursuing impeachment will jeopardize our congressional agenda and threaten gains in the November elections. Although I genuinely disagree with this view, to date I have been unable to convince them to change this policy.

I understand the challenges that we are up against, and I recognize the odds that we face. Nevertheless, I remain unfazed and unyielding.

This new evidence from Scott McClellan could be the tipping point – but we must move quickly. I will use the McClellan admissions to help convince my colleagues that we must hold impeachment hearings.

Regardless, I will continue to fight for progressive values and our Constitution. I will do everything I can to pursue accountability for criminal actions taken by this Administration and this Vice President. I will be a furious opponent to any expansion of this misguided war, and I will fight against the use of torture by our government and to protect our civil liberties here at home.

Most of all, I will continue my efforts to convince my fellow members of Congress and voters, that we should not be a party of passivity - but that we succeed when we present the public with stark choices that are based on the guarantees in our Constitution, and not on the politics of the moment.

I will continue - at every pass - to call for impeachment and accountability. While I wish more of my colleagues supported our movement, we must not let our discouragement lead to apathy and distraction in this important election year when we must break free from eight long years of illegalities, corporate handouts, and a tragic and devastating war.

We should not end the calls for impeachment. I will push against the crimes of the Bush Administration whenever I am provided the opportunity. I will use my role on the Judiciary Committee to take on Administration officials – like I have done with Condoleezza Rice, Attorney Generals Gonzalez and Mukasey, and FBI Director Mueller.

I have not given up our fight to hold this Administration accountable and neither can you. I am grateful for your patriotism and your support. I'll continue to keep you informed and part of the conversation.

Sincerely,

Congressman Robert Wexler

[Oh yeah, by the way, Peace Brother is back on the scene. Don't all erupt into spontaneous applause at once....]
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Originally posted by globetrotter:
It's all well and good to tell the truth - it's just a little bit late in coming. Think how many lives, American and Iraqi, could have been saved if people like him on the bush payroll would have spoken out sooner. I'd like to know what he knew and when he knew it and did he willingly lie for bush? I think he did.

And if he did lie, which if you beleive the news reports he may have, then he should go to jail as well. What happened to having a little bit of backbone and morals, and using those in your job? Secondly, why is this an issue now? It was as important, if not more so, immediately after the fact, but he suppressed it till now, in order to sale a book?
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Originally posted by DILLY:
Bush should be convicted of murder because he is responsible for the death of thousands of brave soldiers. George Bush is the biggest criminal this country has ever seen.


Then we will have to wait until he is out of office, whether by time or kicked out.
Constitution says that removal is the worse punishment Congress can inflict upon a sitting president.
Nash: Back in Sep. there was a lot of argument as to whether Bush should be impeached, and I took the position that he should not due to the same reasoning you now have. In retrospect, tho, I was wrong, how could I have guessed he would continue to screw our country until the end.
7 more months left, no telling what additional harm he can and will cause our country. Trouble is, you would have to get both the puppet and the puppet master in one blow, and I agree that would be both expensive and difficult in 7 months, but maybe if they tried, they could be kept busy enough with trying to cover their backside that it would keep them out of mischief.
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Originally posted by NashBama:
Even if an investigation for impeachment started last September, he would still be in office now. Remember how long and drawn out it was when Clinton was impeached? The last thing the federal government needs to do is spend more money.




Wrong!!! It is very important at any cost to make sure that someone holding the office of the President is not involved in criminal activity.
Democrats have been wanting to impeach him since he was first elected. If they had something solid, he would have been long gone by now.

It would be a massive waste of money trying to impeach him now. He's not exempt from the law once he leaves office. If he is guilty of something, use the remaining months of the term to build a case and try him after his term. Impeachment at this point will accomplish nothing but waste more taxpayer money.
Oh my...a politician and the people that work for him will lie to cover up wrongdoings.A politician and the people that work for him will spin the media to their advantage. What a revelation. Roll Eyes

The sad fact is that the same people that want to impeach GWB and get rid of all things Republican want to install a Democrat as President, because as we all know, Democratic politicians are as honest as the day is long. Roll Eyes

Replacing one crook with another is not the answer. Obama supporters either believe everything that comes out of his mouth, or justify their support by saying "he's not as big a crook as Bush". Roll Eyes

The problems facing the common man in this country are not going to be solved by an Ivy League lawyer. Been there, done that. Until we get rid of all of them, we're just changing crooks. VOTE 'EM ALL OUT!!!
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Originally posted by Howard Roark:
Jimmah Carter will hold the title of worst president!


I never said Carter was a good president. Bush is worse simply because he has had two terms. I know its hard for some to take, but bush is worse. Carter made a mess and then was out. "The Shrub" has had eight years of disaster. It is pretty clear that losing the popular vote, starting an unnecessary war, bumbling a huge national disaster and swaggering your way through it all is a recipe for failure. In addition, you must take into consideration that bush has been unable to sustain an approval rating above 50% for what has turned out to be the majority of his tenure. Carter left office with a 35% approval. Bush is below that at the moment. I sincerely hope he has the distinction of leaving office with an approval rating in the mid 20 range.
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While en route to the courthouse to cast an absentee ballot for the rascals of my choice, I tuned in the deplorable Sean Hannity, who was declaiming ad nauseum about the recent revelations by former Bush Press Secretary Scott McClellan. Hannity ranted, raved and railed non-stop for several minutes, and NOT ONCE did he attempt to rebut any of the contentions that McClellan has made concerning numerous forms and acts of malfeasance by the Bushter. His diatribe was entirely ad castigating McClellan for not leaving the administration when he learned of the alleged lies and machinations of Bush and his handlers and accusing him of writing his book for money. But not one word in defense of Bush against the serious acts McClellan accuses him of. Typical Hannity tripe.

As I left the courthouse, I spied a bumper sticker that says, "Hannitize the Vote," yet another example of the egregious egotism that characterizes that rattle-mouthed Hannity. A couple of years ago, whe embarked on a speaking tour that he referred to as the "Hannitization of America." For a person to be so self-absorbed as to imply that there is merit in bringing the entire nation in line with his personal opinions and philosophy is an obscene act of self-promotion, but consider the source. Hannity is even worse than Limbaugh, an attainment I would never have thought anyone could accomplish!
I barely even know who "Hannity" is. I sort of think its usually the fringe right and total party hacks who listen to the talking heads. The only time I hear from them is when they get caught saying something particularly offensive(which they must do to stay in the headlines), or get into trouble buying drugs from their housekeepers.
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Originally posted by Howard Roark:
Jimmah Carter will hold the title of worst president!


By what metric do you judge ?

I would like to offer a metric by which a president could be judged whether worse, worser, or worst, and that being "how long will it take to straighten up the mess he leaves when he leaves office".
If we were to apply that as a metric, then Carter would fall into the category of one of our better presidents as I can think of no mess he left that we were still dealing with shortly after he was out of office.
On the other hand, I fear the mess we will be left with when Bush is gone will haunt our children and grandchildren long after you and I are dead and gone.
Bush's legacy can only be salvaged if there is a leader to arise who can figure out how to solve this massive screw-up he will be leaving, and unfortunately , it looks like she will not be a candidate shortly. Wink

On the other hand I can think of things Carter did that helped our country, although many of which Reagan did away with like much of Carter's energy policy, but Reagan left us lingering problems, from the deregulation of the health care industry, to the irritation now with how much a TV station can advertise vs how much program they have.

What things would you nominate Pres Carter for that has had a lasting negative affect on our country ?
Excel,

Many are just accustomed to saying Carter is the worst. Now that moniker belongs to another. It may take some time for it to sink in. Surely these dinosaurs did not expect that "the worst" would belong to Carter eternally. There is always something worse than what one has already experienced. It can be measured by enduring injury and length of tenure.
I think in 20 years, Bush will be a forgotten president. No where close to being considered a success, but not quite devastating enough to be remembered as the worst.

In my opinion, the worst president is William Henry Harrison. He gave a long winded inaugural speech that lasted 2 hours in bad weather, then died about a month later. Accomplished nothing other than giving the office to John Tyler, who was a power drunk, arrogant ass that made Bush look like a decent guy. His entire cabinet resigned on him and faced impeachment among other issues. Read up about him sometime.

I'd also rank Lincoln, Buchanan, and Harding right up there with the worst of all time.
Nash has some points with obviously bad presidents, among others: Grant, Nixon, and of course the one who probably held the worst record before Bush will (IMHO already has) was Hoover.
Eisenhower was well liked generally, but hurt me and my family as well as many who live in this area a lot. He was a GREAT general, but not-so-hot as a president. It is thanks to Eisenhower who would not talk to Castro who came courting the US shortly after his rise, and Ike left to play golf, asking Nixon to negotiate with Castro. Nixon then promptly insulted him because of his dress (military fatigues ) and Castro then went to Kruschev who gave him a Russian bear hug and thereby is how Cuba became the Communist thorn in our side it has been every since. How's that for a metric to judge ?
Carter's appointment of Admiral Stansfield Turner as head of the CIA gutted the organization of experienced personnel, from which it has never recovered.

His economic policies were miserable. Luckily, he was only able yo cut the military over four years, another four would have been a disaster.

excelman,

Its an old leftie myth that the US ran Castro in to the Soviet's arms. He was a communist from the start and admittd so later.
I just watched an interview of McClelland and loved it. He has confirmed what many believed. The fact that he has irritated all the right people is just gravy. This is going to hurt McCain (even if only marginally), which is a good thing and he hits the credibility of every aspect and individual surrounding bush. No one can lay this on the left. This is the right policing itself - finally.
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I think some of Carter's "good will" toward North Korea and trading "nuke-leer" information with them has led us to one of the problems we are facing today in Korea.
His obvious gutting of the military led to the debacle in the desert that cost us American lives and reputation in the failed plot to liberate the hostages taken by the Iranian students. If he had continued his presidency they may not have made it out. They knew that dealing with the Republicans would likely be difficult which is why they were released as Reagan took office.
The nuclear stalemate with Russia tipped in their favor during Carter's years. In the early 80's the Russian sub fleet had tested the waters enough to know that they could hide under the Artic ice and come out and fire, retreating underneath to a veil of protection. They had developed this plan through the weak military and intelligence programs instituted during Carter's administration.
Would I call Carter the worst president in history? No, but I would consider him weak and ill-advised, and his foregin policies are costing us today, as our current administration's policies will cost us in the future.
My biggest problem with carter is his continued feelings of self importance and the fact that he thins it is OK to divulge information to "enemies of the s tate" that really should not be out there. There is nothing to gain from this. He was a Naval officer, and trained in nuclear physics, one would think he could use better judgement that this.
His Middle East energy policies along with deals he made with the Saudis are one reason why many beleive we have the problems with OPEC which we have today. Combine these with the increasing demand, the shortage of refineries, and failed policies to pursue alternative energies and you have created quite a mess.
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Originally posted by Howard Roark:
Why didn't Scottie surface his complaints while working in the White House and not for a leftist publishing house (Soro's favorite). Where were his cojones, then? Follow the money!



Hey Howard, why are you trying to spin the blame? Is it because you have no defense for your hero now. How many more slaps in the face is it going to take before you see that Bush has fooled you and betrayed this country?
Dilly,

The left heralded the Silberman-Robb commission report that studied the onset to the war in Iraq. When, the left realized the commission concluded the fundamental problem was the poor quality of what intelligence we had to begin with, they stopped cheering.

McClellan says nothing different from the report.

And, while you made a statement with a question and rhetorical answer, you made no effort to answer my questions which were not rhetorical and, thus, demand an answer. But, you have none that you wish to expound upon, do you?
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Howard,

Here is the answer to your question that you demanded:



According to the preface of the book,Scott McClellan wrights:

"This book is a slice of history I witnessed during my years in the White House and about the well intentioned but flawed human beings-including myself-who shaped that history. I've written it not to settle scores or enhance my own role but simply to record what is known and what is learned in hopes that my account will deepen our understanding of contemporary history, particularly the events that followed the tragic attacks of September 11, 2001.

I began the process of writing this book by putting myself under the microscope. In my efforts on behalf of the presidential administration of George W. Bush I fell far short of living up to the kind of public servant I wanted to be.

I frequently stumbled along the way and failed in my duty to myself, to the president I served, and to the American people."
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Originally posted by beternU:
While en route to the courthouse to cast an absentee ballot for the rascals of my choice, I tuned in the deplorable Sean Hannity, who was declaiming ad nauseum about the recent revelations by former Bush Press Secretary Scott McClellan.



Rascal- an unprincipled, dishonest person.
Revelation- an astonishing disclosure.

Whenever a majority of voters aren't astonished by what politicians will say and do to get and keep power, then maybe we won't continue too vote for rascals. Until then, voters are easy marks for the con-men of their choice.

What is astonishing is the fact that some will bash Bush and all things Republican, and then turn around and vote for Clinton or Obama, and pat themselves on the back, like they've done a good thing. As miamizsun said in another thread...SSDD
The problems facing the common man in this country are not going to be solved by an Ivy League lawyer. Been there, done that. Until we get rid of all of them, we're just changing crooks. VOTE 'EM ALL OUT!!!

This is true, we keep voting them right back. Let some news crooks in to replace the old. I agree Midknightride. You said that well!

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