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http://www.politicsdaily.com/2...culture-gets-a-pass/

by Matt Lewis

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The late New York Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan famously preached that culture is more important than politics. He was talking about the success of a society, but I can't help but think that the aphorism is especially apropos now.

We are a culture that fetishizes violence. Look anywhere, and you'll see it. It's in our language, our sports, our entertainment, and yes, our political rhetoric.

And it's probably true that -- as many have recently speculated -- violence-laced rhetoric or images might be enough to inspire someone who is already mentally unstable to act out.

The underlying violent culture is, I think, much more important than our political rhetoric. (Yes, some would argue that politics is just a reflection of the culture, but Moynihan saw a separation, and I agree.)

Yet it is ironic that the same people who typically mock the notion that violent movies, music or video games could influence behavior seem to think a former governor of Alaska's PAC could do so.

So far, of course, there is zero evidence to suggest that Jared Loughner -- the man charged with shooting Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and 19 others -- ever saw Palin's now-notorious map, or was, in any way, influenced by her. (That didn't stop some, seeking to score cheap political points, from immediately blaming her.) Moreover, there is (as of now) no evidence that anybody's political rhetoric triggered this horrific attack.

Still, the finger-pointing has fueled a hot topic: examining how heated political rhetoric might have caused this tragedy....



We're just a society that loves violence and, unfortunately, overexposure to violent imagery and rhetoric HAS THE POTENTIAL to encourage some to do evil things.
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The first person to do this was her husband. When asked by police if she had any enemies, he answered, "The TEA Party". He had reason to say this, after all that had happened previously. It turns out that the nutcase who shot her had no political leanings in either direction, but you can't blame the woman's husband for thinking what he did.
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Originally posted by O No!:
The first person to do this was her husband. When asked by police if she had any enemies, he answered, "The TEA Party". He had reason to say this, after all that had happened previously. It turns out that the nutcase who shot her had no political leanings in either direction, but you can't blame the woman's husband for thinking what he did.


But the sad part is this event will probably not influence the TEA Party, Beck, Palin and the rest to tone it down. I doubt they'll think twice about it because they feel no responsibility.
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But the sad part is this event will probably not influence the TEA Party, Beck, Palin and the rest to tone it down. I doubt they'll think twice about it because they feel no responsibility.


From all indications, the assassin Jared Loughner was not influenced by pundits on the right. It would seem that giving a pass to those who make spurious accusations about Beck, Limbaugh, and Palin without an apology is acceptable to the left as long as it furthers the narrative of the left. Likewise it is acceptable if the left draws bullseyes on maps when it concerns Bush and Republicans but it is a crime if Palin and the Tea Party does it. I think there are those who wish the hypocrisy of the left to be the real pass that should be allowed.
From what I've seen on the news, the killer was neither "right" nor "left" - he was just a nut. Part of the problem in our society though, as evidenced on these forums, is the tendency to lump everyone into a category. Liberal, conversative, blah, blah. If we'd all just work toward a neutral ground, this country would be a better one. Right now, nothing will get done because of the name-calling. I agree though that people like Rush Limbaugh just make the problems worse.
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Originally posted by StarryNight:
From what I've seen on the news, the killer was neither "right" nor "left" - he was just a nut. Part of the problem in our society though, as evidenced on these forums, is the tendency to lump everyone into a category. Liberal, conversative, blah, blah. If we'd all just work toward a neutral ground, this country would be a better one. Right now, nothing will get done because of the name-calling. I agree though that people like Rush Limbaugh just make the problems worse.


Then, why did you start thread entitled: "Tell Sarah Palin: Violent threats have consequences," when there was no proof of any contact or influence from her?
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Originally posted by StarryNight:
From what I've seen on the news, the killer was neither "right" nor "left" - he was just a nut. Part of the problem in our society though, as evidenced on these forums, is the tendency to lump everyone into a category. Liberal, conversative, blah, blah. If we'd all just work toward a neutral ground, this country would be a better one. Right now, nothing will get done because of the name-calling. I agree though that people like Rush Limbaugh just make the problems worse.
Then why the 4 or 5 threads started by the rabid left blaming Republicans? And clean your own house before you go after Rush. How soon you forget.
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Originally posted by Jennifer:
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Originally posted by StarryNight:
From what I've seen on the news, the killer was neither "right" nor "left" - he was just a nut. Part of the problem in our society though, as evidenced on these forums, is the tendency to lump everyone into a category. Liberal, conversative, blah, blah. If we'd all just work toward a neutral ground, this country would be a better one. Right now, nothing will get done because of the name-calling. I agree though that people like Rush Limbaugh just make the problems worse.
Then why the 4 or 5 threads started by the rabid left blaming Republicans? And clean your own house before you go after Rush. How soon you forget.


You're a very angry and bitter person, aren't you? That's a sad way to go through life.
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Originally posted by b50m:
When the Islamic Ft Hood shooter went on his rampage screaming to Allah, the left said don't rush to conclusions. Wait for the facts. Don't incite hate.

Less than 30 minutes after the shooting in Arizona, the left was blaming the Tea Party.

Violent culture or culture of hypocrisy from the media?


Who was calling for understanding on the part of the Fort Hood shooting, I know I certainly wasn't? Just curious, because I actually don't remember.
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Who was calling for understanding on the part of the Fort Hood shooting, I know I certainly wasn't? Just curious, because I actually don't remember.


Does this jog your memory?

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Washington: President Barack Obama said Friday the entire nation is grieving for those slain at Fort Hood, and he urged people not to jump to conclusions while law enforcement officers investigate the shootings.

Obama met Friday morning with FBI Director Robert Mueller and other federal leaders to get an update on what they've learned. Thirteen people were killed and 30 others injured in the shooting rampage at the Texas Army post on Thursday. The suspected shooter is an Army psychiatrist; his motive remains unclear.

"We don't know all the answers yet. And I would caution against jumping to conclusions until we have all the facts," Obama said in a Rose Garden statement otherwise devoted to the economy. "What we do know is that there are families, friends and an entire nation grieving right now for the valiant men and women who came under attack yesterday," the President said.
http://www.zeenews.com/news576860.html
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Originally posted by Caduceus:
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Originally posted by b50m:
When the Islamic Ft Hood shooter went on his rampage screaming to Allah, the left said don't rush to conclusions. Wait for the facts. Don't incite hate.

Less than 30 minutes after the shooting in Arizona, the left was blaming the Tea Party.

Violent culture or culture of hypocrisy from the media?


Who was calling for understanding on the part of the Fort Hood shooting, I know I certainly wasn't? Just curious, because I actually don't remember.


http://washingtonexaminer.com/...ace-blame-palin-afte
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Originally posted by Flatus the Ancient:
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Who was calling for understanding on the part of the Fort Hood shooting, I know I certainly wasn't? Just curious, because I actually don't remember.


Does this jog your memory?

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Washington: President Barack Obama said Friday the entire nation is grieving for those slain at Fort Hood, and he urged people not to jump to conclusions while law enforcement officers investigate the shootings.

Obama met Friday morning with FBI Director Robert Mueller and other federal leaders to get an update on what they've learned. Thirteen people were killed and 30 others injured in the shooting rampage at the Texas Army post on Thursday. The suspected shooter is an Army psychiatrist; his motive remains unclear.

"We don't know all the answers yet. And I would caution against jumping to conclusions until we have all the facts," Obama said in a Rose Garden statement otherwise devoted to the economy. "What we do know is that there are families, friends and an entire nation grieving right now for the valiant men and women who came under attack yesterday," the President said.
http://www.zeenews.com/news576860.html


No need for derision, it was a legitimate question on my behalf. I don't really agree with everyone who is blaming the tea party. I hear now they are saying he could be connected to a white supremacy/anti-semetic group; however, I don't think the fact that it was unrelated to the tea party justifies all of the violent rhetoric from either side.
Interesting thread placement given you had a choice between news and politics.

The author of the article was making the point it wasn't our politics, but rather our violent culture is to blame for violence in the United States. (I almost said America, but that wouldn't be fair to the peaceful Canadians.)
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Originally posted by Celly:
Interesting thread placement given you had a choice between news and politics.

The author of the article was making the point it wasn't our politics, but rather our violent culture is to blame for violence in the United States. (I almost said America, but that wouldn't be fair to the peaceful Canadians.)


Around here, it belongs in Politics.

Welcome to the TDF, Celly. You'll find it interesting.

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