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Originally posted by independent1:
All it takes is one parent not doing their job to have their child taken from them....

And in response, No, I am not a child. But everyone was going on and on AND ON about people think thinking these children where "****s" because of their outfits supposedly reflected that. I was pointing out that you are not what you are dressed up as on HALLOWEEN!!


I totally believe that children are NOT what they dress up as on Halloween. BUT the main thing discussed here is that if a little girl goes looking like a hooker, it don't make her a REAL hooker, but tell that to the pedophile that just loaded her bag with plenty of candy.

And even the pedophiles can dress up too!!! You will have NO idea who they are. THey can't give out candy at their house, but what is to stop them from dressing up and going "around" to various parties????

Scary though, isn't it?
Some of the comments upset me as well. In their overdramatic, parnoid tone, but the general idea of protecting your child from perverts is completely fair and one that I wholeheartedly comply and agree with. Some people become too serious, becoming excited at seeing their own words on the internet to realize how ridiculous they sound when they accuse children of looking trampy because of a skirt. ( I wouldn't wear that skirt, but I'm no hooker like that kid) See, I KID. Trying to lighten up the tone here. People are reaching for their torches and pitchforks already..Smiler So, new BF, how do you get to be a Hall of Famer? Or do you and TSC and the other gals just like the forums that much?
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And even the pedophiles can dress up too!!! You will have NO idea who they are. THey can't give out candy at their house, but what is to stop them from dressing up and going "around" to various parties????

Scary though, isn't it?


Just like John Wayne Gacy. Therefore regardless of costumes, your child is always in danger.
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Originally posted by immolate99:
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And even the pedophiles can dress up too!!! You will have NO idea who they are. THey can't give out candy at their house, but what is to stop them from dressing up and going "around" to various parties????

Scary though, isn't it?


Just like John Wayne Gacy. Therefore regardless of costumes, your child is always in danger.



Ohhhh, but back in John Wayne Gacy's day, parents allowed their kids to just roam out on their own, because CRIME wasn't prevaliant for young kids.

Many an eye was opened with some of the Pedophilia coming out in the news at such a fast pace.

UNREAL.


If you look real close to TSC's 3 pictures, first one does indeed look like a kid, second looks like a little older kid, third one looks like a younger person who knows all the ropes.

Its all in how you look at it.

But when it comes to a pedophile picking a target, I am pretty sure they would choose something they liked, ALOT, and sat back and used their patience.

Maybe I have been watching too many Forensic File Shows, but they sure will Open Your Eyes up to the mean, horrible people that live in this world that we TRY so hard to warn our kids about.



I was ALMOST right in your age groupings of the pics you posted, lol.
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But those three women in TSC's pics ARE women-and look like women. That's why she made the comment about how when they are 18 and want to wear those outfits on Halloween it's because of the parents letting them wear the first page skirt when they are 8. Which is being overdramatic. If your daughter grows up to be a tramp it's not because of a Halloween skirt, it's probably because she hates her overbearing parents. First of all, if you still try and tell your grown daughter what to wear for Halloween you aren't going to get far, unles you raised em right-like me and Kindred -and they don't have sexual troubles such as wearing hooker costumes like TSC illlustrated. And 2nd, I don't think the pedophiles will still be interested in them then anyways. However, Gacy killed young boys and older teens. None of them had on skirts or costumes. So, once again, it isn't the costume it's the pedophiles. Parents watch your children!
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Originally posted by immolate99:
But those three women in TSC's pics ARE women-and look like women. That's why she made the comment about how when they are 18 and want to wear those outfits on Halloween it's because of the parents letting them wear the first page skirt when they are 8. Which is being overdramatic. If your daughter grows up to be a tramp it's not because of a Halloween skirt, it's probably because she hates her overbearing parents. First of all, if you still try and tell your grown daughter what to wear for Halloween you aren't going to get far, unles you raised em right-like me and Kindred -and they don't have sexual troubles such as wearing hooker costumes like TSC illlustrated. And 2nd, I don't think the pedophiles will still be interested in them then anyways. However, Gacy killed young boys and older teens. None of them had on skirts or costumes. So, once again, it isn't the costume it's the pedophiles. Parents watch your children!



Trust me, neither of my daughters turned out to be tramps, and I am VERY PROUD of them.

BUT AGAIN, times are DIFFERENT NOW, than then. What the "rules" were then, can get a kid killed these days.

It is just to err on the side of caution.

Thing is, people see things different, so different in fact that you may think something is okay with your kid, then another think it isn't, but what matters is the people LOOKING at your kid.

Dear God, I am so glad my kids are grown and I don't have to worry about the pedophile list in the Dept. Of Justice Sites!!!!

I am so glad that I don't have to be afraid like today's parents are.

But no moatter, TSC knows exactly where I am coming from. Smiler
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Originally posted by immolate99:
But those three women in TSC's pics ARE women-and look like women. That's why she made the comment about how when they are 18 and want to wear those outfits on Halloween it's because of the parents letting them wear the first page skirt when they are 8. Which is being overdramatic. If your daughter grows up to be a tramp it's not because of a Halloween skirt, it's probably because she hates her overbearing parents. First of all, if you still try and tell your grown daughter what to wear for Halloween you aren't going to get far, unles you raised em right-like me and Kindred -and they don't have sexual troubles such as wearing hooker costumes like TSC illlustrated. And 2nd, I don't think the pedophiles will still be interested in them then anyways. However, Gacy killed young boys and older teens. None of them had on skirts or costumes. So, once again, it isn't the costume it's the pedophiles. Parents watch your children!



Ummmm, no. TSC's pics are for costumes for KIDS, not adults.
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Originally posted by T S C:
Just to clarify - the costumes on page 1 are for kids and the ones on page 2 are for adults. There is not a lot of difference in the two though. Both styles show leg at or above mid-thigh and both are meant to be sexy. I'd rather not see a child dressed in something "sexy".



Me either, TSC, me either. They learn too much too fast these days as it is. Halloween doesn't need to be, yet another learning curve for them.



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Originally posted by Kindred:
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Originally posted by immolate99:
But those three women in TSC's pics ARE women-and look like women. That's why she made the comment about how when they are 18 and want to wear those outfits on Halloween it's because of the parents letting them wear the first page skirt when they are 8. Which is being overdramatic. If your daughter grows up to be a tramp it's not because of a Halloween skirt, it's probably because she hates her overbearing parents. First of all, if you still try and tell your grown daughter what to wear for Halloween you aren't going to get far, unles you raised em right-like me and Kindred -and they don't have sexual troubles such as wearing hooker costumes like TSC illlustrated. And 2nd, I don't think the pedophiles will still be interested in them then anyways. However, Gacy killed young boys and older teens. None of them had on skirts or costumes. So, once again, it isn't the costume it's the pedophiles. Parents watch your children!



Trust me, neither of my daughters turned out to be tramps, and I am VERY PROUD of them.

BUT AGAIN, times are DIFFERENT NOW, than then. What the "rules" were then, can get a kid killed these days.

It is just to err on the side of caution.

Thing is, people see things different, so different in fact that you may think something is okay with your kid, then another think it isn't, but what matters is the people LOOKING at your kid.

Dear God, I am so glad my kids are grown and I don't have to worry about the pedophile list in the Dept. Of Justice Sites!!!!

I am so glad that I don't have to be afraid like today's parents are.

But no moatter, TSC knows exactly where I am coming from. Smiler




You are going to have grand kids, so just keep on worrying your life away if you must.
You go, girl!

What we have here is a failure to communicate...hee, hee.

No really, surely we all agree that a costume CAN be inappropriate for a child. Surely those of you that think the costumes TSC posted are okay do have a limit to what you'd allow your child to wear.

If you are a Mom or Dad, you know it is important to teach your kids modesty when you get that feeling. You know the one. You know it's time because they have reached the age that it is necessary, which is different for every child. Also, all the parents of young boys will thank you for it. It's a little difficult for boys to concentrate on schoolwork or what the preacher's saying with cleavage and a lotta leg in the room...haha. Now, the boys want to muzzle me for saying that Wink, but you understand what I'm saying.

I won't pretend to know how a pedophile thinks. I think it has more to do with letting a child know what you think. Despite popular opinion, they really do care what you think. If you say dressing like a prostitute is acceptable, they will say so too. If you say it is not acceptable, they may still say it but may not mean it. A parent's actions and words can have a positive effect or a negative effect on their child. We really need to consider this when raising kids, as I'm sure all here do.
I'd rather not see a child dressed in something "sexy".[/QUOTE]

It occurs to me: I don't think a ballerina (or perhaps a fairy) costume is "sexy" and is generally quite appropriate even though those arguably show more skin than the witches costumes. Yet both of us agree the witches costume is "sexy."

Why is that?
Little Girls do NOT need to look "sexy", in no way at all!!!!

The pics that TSC posted with the withches, the first one could be appropriate for a kid but the other two, just the look on their faces show they mean to be sexy.

Oh my goodness, what about Elvira???? My brother used to just LOVE it when one of his classmates dressed that way!!! He married one of them. But there again, that was STILL back before we had to worry about pedophiles coming out of their dungeons.
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Originally posted by immolate99:
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What excellent parenting skills. I personally, would never allow my child (7 years old or not) to dress like a tramp. You are putting your child on display as fodder for dirty old men and sexual predators. If that doesn't bother you, it should.

There is this old guy every time I am in Walmart that leers at young girls all day, (I'm talking about 8 year olds) and none of them wear costumes to tempt him. Perverts are perverts. Protect your children, but don't make them feel like they are in the wrong because they want to wear a belly baring costume on Halloween as an 8 year old. You start freaking out about that, it makes the kids misunderstand and think that they are the bad guys. That isn't fair either.


I agree with you! Don't put these ideas of the outfits being sexy in your childs mind! Maybe I'm not against them because my girls are still young? Ask me again in 10 or so years...
And for the last time since my BFF Kindred was confused about the pics TSC posted on page 2-those were ADULT costumes. Clarified as such by TSC. Those were for adults. BAD for kids. Page 1 I can't see the kids as sexy in any way. That's your own wierd fixation/opinion. Those costumes on PAGE ONE don't scream I'm asking for it. TO ME. ONCE AGAIN. MY OPINION. So far we clear: Pedophiles bad-we all agree. Length of costume skirt ON PAGE ONE is up for an opinion which EVERYONE has the right to have. Costume or not, that guy in Walmart will still leer at your child. I hate that guy. I'm just curious, what are your opinions on child beauty pageants? I think those are worse as far as pimping your child for exploitation than a Halloween costume like the one on PAGE ONE. I think someone mentioned that ugly moms like to doll their girls up and live through them and I totally agree.
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Originally posted by _Joy_:
It's a little difficult for boys to concentrate on schoolwork or what the preacher's saying with cleavage and a lotta leg in the room...haha.


That is the only reason I stayed in church for as long as I did. Wink

Seriously, sometimes church (one of the biggest in the area) looked like a night club. It got so bad the preacher made a whole sermon out of it.
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Originally posted by immolate99:
And for the last time since my BFF Kindred was confused about the pics TSC posted on page 2-those were ADULT costumes. Clarified as such by TSC. Those were for adults. BAD for kids. Page 1 I can't see the kids as sexy in any way. That's your own wierd fixation/opinion. Those costumes on PAGE ONE don't scream I'm asking for it. TO ME. ONCE AGAIN. MY OPINION. So far we clear: Pedophiles bad-we all agree. Length of costume skirt ON PAGE ONE is up for an opinion which EVERYONE has the right to have. Costume or not, that guy in Walmart will still leer at your child. I hate that guy. I'm just curious, what are your opinions on child beauty pageants? I think those are worse as far as pimping your child for exploitation than a Halloween costume like the one on PAGE ONE. I think someone mentioned that ugly moms like to doll their girls up and live through them and I totally agree.


I am in total agreement with immolate and I would love to bare his kids!!!!
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If you are a Mom or Dad, you know it is important to teach your kids modesty when you get that feeling. You know the one. You know it's time because they have reached the age that it is necessary, which is different for every child. Also, all the parents of young boys will thank you for it. It's a little difficult for boys to concentrate on schoolwork or what the preacher's saying with cleavage and a lotta leg in the room...haha.

Fair enough, but I am talking about 7-10 year old girls. Usually at that age the girls don't do or have anything for the boys to stare at. Except cooties.
Since we are getting off topic, churches are the last place you should be distracted by sex, but one of our local churches has a minister's wife who has admitted to an affair with a local school guidance counselor. Non-pedophile adults make stupid descisions as well. I dare say those impact the children harder than the length of a skirt on Halloween.
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am in total agreement with immolate and I would love to bare his kids!!!!

Sorry, but baring my kids to you is not going to happen. Are you the Walmart guy? HA! I assume you meant "bear" my kids. That reminds me of the part in the movie Knocked Up where the guy says he wants to be there to rear his friends kids. To which they reply keep him away, he wants to rear your kids.
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Originally posted by immolate99:
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am in total agreement with immolate and I would love to bare his kids!!!!

Sorry, but baring my kids to you is not going to happen. Are you the Walmart guy? HA! I assume you meant "bear" my kids. That reminds me of the part in the movie Knocked Up where the guy says he wants to be there to rear his friends kids. To which they reply keep him away, he wants to rear your kids.


Touché or is that Touch.... Hmmm
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It occurs to me: I don't think a ballerina (or perhaps a fairy) costume is "sexy" and is generally quite appropriate even though those arguably show more skin than the witches costumes. Yet both of us agree the witches costume is "sexy."

Why is that?


Maybe it's because we're not accustomed to witches looking "sexy"....they're supposed to be old and scary, right? ...
But ballerina's and fairy's still look the way we expect them to. No suprise factor there.
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Originally posted by GoFish:
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Originally posted by _Joy_:
It's a little difficult for boys to concentrate on schoolwork or what the preacher's saying with cleavage and a lotta leg in the room...haha.


That is the only reason I stayed in church for as long as I did. Wink

Seriously, sometimes church (one of the biggest in the area) looked like a night club. It got so bad the preacher made a whole sermon out of it.


We have had that problem a couple of times at my church. Luckily, some very sweet ladies took the time to have a long talk with the girls. We also had a problem with a teenage couple wrapped up on the back pew one time. I shouldn't laugh, but that was a hilarious situation to me. This time the ladies spoke with the teens and their parents. If it is done lovingly, with the right attitude (non-judgmental, we were all young & silly once), it works out well. The young person actually appreciates someone caring enough to not let them continue to unknowingly embarrass themselves. Sometimes, they don't really have a parent and just appreciate the parenting.
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Originally posted by immolate99:
And for the last time since my BFF Kindred was confused about the pics TSC posted on page 2-those were ADULT costumes. Clarified as such by TSC. Those were for adults. BAD for kids. Page 1 I can't see the kids as sexy in any way. That's your own wierd fixation/opinion. Those costumes on PAGE ONE don't scream I'm asking for it. TO ME. ONCE AGAIN. MY OPINION. So far we clear: Pedophiles bad-we all agree. Length of costume skirt ON PAGE ONE is up for an opinion which EVERYONE has the right to have. Costume or not, that guy in Walmart will still leer at your child. I hate that guy. I'm just curious, what are your opinions on child beauty pageants? I think those are worse as far as pimping your child for exploitation than a Halloween costume like the one on PAGE ONE. I think someone mentioned that ugly moms like to doll their girls up and live through them and I totally agree.



Topic isn't about Child beauty contests, but I do have an opinion which can be summed up as Jon Bonet Ramsey.

Anyway, back to topic, I think your sarcasm on here is unnecessary, go back and RE=READ what TSC wrote.

Then you will have your answers Smiler
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Originally posted by immolate99:
Costume or not, that guy in Walmart will still leer at your child. I hate that guy. I'm just curious, what are your opinions on child beauty pageants?


You should trust your instincts.

What guy? Can you share some details? How old, description? A greeter or a cashier or what? If he bothers you, why have you not complained to someone? You don't have to accuse him if you aren't sure. Just tell a manager to observe the guy when little girls enter the store.

Either way, please share some details.

I personally despise beauty pagensts for preteens and perhaps adolescents. Little people should not be made to focus so much on their physical attributes. Let them be dirty, nasty, troublemakers and not be judged on their physical attributes by adult men and women. That is just degrading, ya know?

If they want to parade themselves in front of men as adults, by all means be my guest. I believe adult women should be given as many opportunities as possible to wear bikinis in my presence. Wink
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Anyway, back to topic, I think your sarcasm on here is unnecessary, go back and RE=READ what TSC wrote.

Then you will have your answers.

YOU wrote: "Ummmm, no. TSC's pics are for costumes for KIDS, not adults."

TSC wrote: "Just to clarify - the costumes on page 1 are for kids and the ones on page 2 are for adults"

I'm not being sarcastic, just repeating her clarification since you didn't understand. That was all the answer I needed, thanks. I know how she feels about all the costumes, just pointing out that you said those pics of hers were for adults and they weren't. Sorry that I offended you by pointing out you were wrong. So now we are done. Halloween is over. Back to being aware of our child's surroundings without the benefit of costumes.

GoFIsh: The Walmart guy doesn't work at Walmart he is just some old creepy guy in his 60's I would guess, that stays in there ALL the time, usually sitting on one of the benches up front. I have asked the cashiers before if anyone has ever had a problem with him and she said they can't make him leave legally. You can't make someone not stare at little girls. But, he is definitely strange and creepy however and gives all parents that stranger danger vibe.
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Originally posted by immolate99:
Anyway, back to topic, I think your sarcasm on here is unnecessary, go back and RE=READ what TSC wrote.

Then you will have your answers.

YOU wrote: "Ummmm, no. TSC's pics are for costumes for KIDS, not adults."

TSC wrote: "Just to clarify - the costumes on page 1 are for kids and the ones on page 2 are for adults"

I'm not being sarcastic, just repeating her clarification since you didn't understand. That was all the answer I needed, thanks. I know how she feels about all the costumes, just pointing out that you said those pics of hers were for adults and they weren't. Sorry that I offended you by pointing out you were wrong. So now we are done. Halloween is over. Back to being aware of our child's surroundings without the benefit of costumes.

GoFIsh: The Walmart guy doesn't work at Walmart he is just some old creepy guy in his 60's I would guess, that stays in there ALL the time, usually sitting on one of the benches up front. I have asked the cashiers before if anyone has ever had a problem with him and she said they can't make him leave legally. You can't make someone not stare at little girls. But, he is definitely strange and creepy however and gives all parents that stranger danger vibe.


You don't get it because you don't WANT to get it. So enough said.

You made YOUR stance clear, and that is all that matters.

And it don't have to be the "Walmart Guy", it can be someone doing a job next door, anyone you encounter on the streets, it could be ANYONE, there is NO PROFILE for a preditor, none. Judging by what you THINK is one is wrong to start with.

Just go to the Department of Justice Website, and you will see a LOT of normal looking dudes on there that you wouldn't think committed such a heinous act, but they did.
You were wrong about the costumes. What don't I get about that? It was YOUR words I repeated. Get over it. Our differing opinions have nothing to do with it. And since you pointed out earlier that pedophiles can be everywhere and they particularly like to look at little girls in costumes, I am merely pointing out that that this guy likes to look at little girls regardless of costume. The guy in Walmart. I never said he was a registered pedophile, just really creepy. Do you get to be a Hall of Famer by always having to have the last word? HA! Smiler
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Originally posted by immolate99:
You were wrong about the costumes. What don't I get about that? It was YOUR words I repeated. Get over it. Our differing opinions have nothing to do with it. And since you pointed out earlier that pedophiles can be everywhere and they particularly like to look at little girls in costumes, I am merely pointing out that that this guy likes to look at little girls regardless of costume. The guy in Walmart. I never said he was a registered pedophile, just really creepy. Do you get to be a Hall of Famer by always having to have the last word? HA! Smiler



If you are on here to fuss, then find another VICTIM. That was what I posted earlier, and you didn't get ALL that I posted, so what a hoax. Can't tell the WHOLE story, then it is basically a LIE, didn't your parents teach you anything??? LOL!!!

You want to make fun of the fact I have been a forum member for 2-1/2 years and I am Hall of Fame?????? Get a grip, or a life, or something.

Okay, I am done. Go ahead and argue with yourself, just leave me out of it from now on. I am not a willing participant.

HEAR THAT AM??? Proud of me this time??? I am not taking the Troll Bait Big Grin
You can't argue with the your own words there sweetness. If you look at the the middle of Page 6 that was your complete post. You were confused. At that point in time. That is the whole story. Don't lie to yourself. Call me a troll because you are wrong, it doesn't bother me. I'm out. Last word! Or maybe 2.5 YEARS of them to go before I can hang with you huh?
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Originally posted by Kindred:
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Originally posted by T S C:
Just to clarify - the costumes on page 1 are for kids and the ones on page 2 are for adults. There is not a lot of difference in the two though. Both styles show leg at or above mid-thigh and both are meant to be sexy. I'd rather not see a child dressed in something "sexy".



Me either, TSC, me either. They learn too much too fast these days as it is. Halloween doesn't need to be, yet another learning curve for them.



Wink Cool Wink Cool
I am very glad that Halloween is finally over.

I know my grankids made out like little bandits last night. They loved going to the places that had games for them to play, and stuff to put in their bags!!!!

Now, coming up next, THANKSGIVING!!!!

Thank Goodness we don't have to put up with the same asinine mess that sometimes Halloween brings. Big Grin
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And you do mean the Florence location, correct?

Could you provide a better description? Height, weight, hair color, glasses, big nose/ears, that kinda thing?


Muscle Shoals store. Roughly 6'1 when I have seen him walking, he walks sort of hunched over. He is dark featured, tan, has dark circles under his eyes, longish features. Grey hair. He is in there every time I have been there, usually stays towards the front of the store, on the benches in the commons area or walking around the first few aisles towards the front. Consistently watching the young girls. Not the teens, the 5-12 year olds..
I was out last night at several Places and saw many costumes the lovley young women were wearing (all above 18 of course)even got to see flame throwers at the OTT outside...
I did a lot of studing on all the different costumes all night and I must say I like it!!!
Lets keep the Scantily clad costumes coming!!!
Halloween is over and so is this thread!!
Kindred, Bless your argumentative heart, for the last time: Before TSC wrote that, you incorrectly stated that the costumes on page 2 were for adults not kids, go re-read your quote before TSC's on page 6. You said: "Ummmm, no. TSC's pics are for costumes for KIDS, not adults." TSC wrote: "Just to clarify - the costumes on page 1 are for kids and the ones on page 2 are for adults. Then you both agreed that you didnt like any of the costumes. You were corrected by TSC and moved on. So go ahead and feel free to do that now too. We all know you didn't like any of the costumes. Can I come over for Thanksgiving?
Good gravy - immolate99: you misunderstand - I posted both photos of costumes in this thread. I posted some that were meant for children and some meant for adults. I think you misunderstood Kindred's comments. Halloween is over, we had several young girls dressed like tarts come by my house and without any adults in sight. Just groups of kids, some of whom should have had more clothes on. I'd like to add, it isn't just dirty old men that these young girls needed to watch out for on Halloween. There were also groups of boys/young men trolling the neighborhood for candy. 5 or 6 little twelve year old girls dressed like "The Cheetah Girls" or "Josie & The Pussycats" are really no match for 5 or 6 young men who wish to do them harm. With all the yelling and screaming going on anyway - who would notice?

So whatever. Dress your child like a harlot 365 days per year, but please, if you aren't going to instill the fear of being assaulted into them, at least keep a watchful eye on them.

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