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If you ask me,the simple fact that a majority of americans saw fit to elect a socialist,pacifist,American apologist th the White House is insult enough to the brave men and women who fight and risk all to keep us free.
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I don't think the report is for all those that have those beliefs and the media knows it. Yes, there are some that will take their opinions and views to the extreme on both sides.
Yes there are people that have arsenals bigger than the couple on Tremors. Yes there are those that will bomb abortion clinics and kill people to stop abortions. Yes there are people that burn homes to protest cutting down trees as if people are going to rebuild with sponge. Yes extremism exist.
Finally extremism does not apply to people that use common sense.
Yes there are people that have arsenals bigger than the couple on Tremors. Yes there are those that will bomb abortion clinics and kill people to stop abortions. Yes there are people that burn homes to protest cutting down trees as if people are going to rebuild with sponge. Yes extremism exist.
Finally extremism does not apply to people that use common sense.
And Mr. White is a supreme example of extremism. Every letter he's ever written is a far right rant about something. 
The Napolitano report on potential right wing extremist terrorist activity has been interpreted by clever operatives of the conservative media to give it meaning that it does not have. Many flocks of sheeple who follow these propagandists have gobbled up these bogus interpretations without any effort to study and interpret the report for themselves. Having been spoon fed a distorted and wrongheaded interpretation of the thing, they have gotten their panties in a big tangled wad and are burning up the forums and blogs with jeremiads of anguish about how that sorry hussy, Napolitano, has it in for all conservatives and has vilified even our veterans! Truly, the quality of public discourse is at a nadir!
Though I agree that much of this has been blown out of proportion, I was just wondering Beternu if these were same clever conservative rabble that you so despise who led the "sheeple to gobble" up the misinformation about the wiretaps and enhanced interrogation techniques? Were they the same ones who were crying over the GWB administration's implementation of techniques to help listen in to the terrorists, but of course that was really just a plan to deprive "common folk" of their right to privacy??? My, my, how the shoe seems to be on the other foot since November '08, wouldn't ye say???
quote:Originally posted by beternU:
The Napolitano report on potential right wing extremist terrorist activity has been interpreted by clever operatives of the conservative media to give it meaning that it does not have. Many flocks of sheeple who follow these propagandists have gobbled up these bogus interpretations without any effort to study and interpret the report for themselves. Having been spoon fed a distorted and wrongheaded interpretation of the thing, they have gotten their panties in a big tangled wad and are burning up the forums and blogs with jeremiads of anguish about how that sorry hussy, Napolitano, has it in for all conservatives and has vilified even our veterans! Truly, the quality of public discourse is at a nadir!
Yea she's tops for the job, did the 9/11 terrorist come through Canada?
quote:Originally posted by David L.:
And Mr. White is a supreme example of extremism. Every letter he's ever written is a far right rant about something.
And you are to the far left, so what's the difference?
I find it interesting that the first domestic terrorist placed on the FBI 10 Most Wanted List is a radical environmentalist...a LIBTARD. I'll bet that HE wasn't covered in Janet Napoli-Reno's memo.
quote:Originally posted by N-the-Sticks:
RE: Link
If you ask me,the simple fact that a majority of americans saw fit to elect a socialist,pacifist,American apologist th the White House is insult enough to the brave men and women who fight and risk all to keep us free.
Democrats are not socialists. Republicans say less government. So what's the job of our elected officials? For 8 years Bush did as Hoover did in 1929, nothing. In a socialist society the government controls everything. The press, the banks, religion etc... Where in President Obama's policies do you see this?
I think we can go ahead and take for granted that ANYTHING a defacrat said is strictly out of their hatred for Bush. It doensn't matter what the issue, it's only their hatred for Bush. When they support higher taxes, it's only because of their hatred for Bush. When they support a kiss on the cheek to terrorists, it's only because of their hatred for Bush. When they are willing to sink our nation $30 trillion in debt, it's because of their hatred of Bush. They would have to be downright stupid to support such policies for any other reason than their hatred for Bush. So go ahead and spew whatever kind of ignorance you want. We all know why. 
quote:Originally posted by Nobluedog:quote:Originally posted by N-the-Sticks:
RE: Link
If you ask me,the simple fact that a majority of americans saw fit to elect a socialist,pacifist,American apologist th the White House is insult enough to the brave men and women who fight and risk all to keep us free.
Democrats are not socialists. Republicans say less government. So what's the job of our elected officials? For 8 years Bush did as Hoover did in 1929, nothing. In a socialist society the government controls everything. The press, the banks, religion etc... Where in President Obama's policies do you see this?
So it's better to destroy the country by "doing something" than it is to let the economy correct itself. Good ole blewdog logic I guess.
''So it's better to destroy the country by "doing something" than it is to let the economy correct itself. Good ole blewdog logic I guess.''
Hoover in 1929 did nothing because he was thinking of your logic that the economy would correct itself. I bet G.W.Bush also used your logic, that the economy would correct itself. How do you suppose the economy would correct itself?
Hoover in 1929 did nothing because he was thinking of your logic that the economy would correct itself. I bet G.W.Bush also used your logic, that the economy would correct itself. How do you suppose the economy would correct itself?
quote:Originally posted by Nobluedog:
''So it's better to destroy the country by "doing something" than it is to let the economy correct itself. Good ole blewdog logic I guess.''
Hoover in 1929 did nothing because he was thinking of your logic that the economy would correct itself. I bet G.W.Bush also used your logic, that the economy would correct itself. How do you suppose the economy would correct itself?
Yes and the policies roosevelt enacted extended and deepened the Depression for many more years than if he had done nothing. The ONLY thing that brought America out of the Depression was WWII.
quote:Originally posted by Nobluedog:
''So it's better to destroy the country by "doing something" than it is to let the economy correct itself. Good ole blewdog logic I guess.''
How do you suppose the economy would correct itself?
By letting the institutions who made stupid loans, go out of business. By letting people who made stupid decisions when buying houses they couldn't affford, lose them. That would have been a good start on letting things correct themselves.
The present Secretary of the Treasury advocates throwing trillions at the problem, ignoring precedent.
"Morgenthau, testifying before the House Ways and Means Committee in May 1939: "We are spending more money than we have ever spent before and it does not work. I want to see this country prosperous. I want to see people get jobs. We have never made good on our promises. I say after eight years of this administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started and an enormous debt to boot."
The definition of repeating the same action, while expecting different results is a fanatic, a socialist, or both.
"Morgenthau, testifying before the House Ways and Means Committee in May 1939: "We are spending more money than we have ever spent before and it does not work. I want to see this country prosperous. I want to see people get jobs. We have never made good on our promises. I say after eight years of this administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started and an enormous debt to boot."
The definition of repeating the same action, while expecting different results is a fanatic, a socialist, or both.
I've heard that as a common definition of insanity.
The policies of Roosevelt extended the depression?? Kperk I did not relize you where that old. My Grandfather and Dad where sure happy for the TVA jobs that came out of it, but then again those jobs are socialist jobs. Damm those defacrats!!!
Insult to veterans? Maybe the chickenhawks take it as an insult.
quote:Originally posted by bamacarl:
The policies of Roosevelt extended the depression?? Kperk I did not relize you where that old. My Grandfather and Dad where sure happy for the TVA jobs that came out of it, but then again those jobs are socialist jobs. Damm those defacrats!!!
Sorry dopey but the Depression surged right ahead until the Big One. Just a fact. Those TVA jobs didn't get us out of the Depression, the war did.
quote:Originally posted by Nobluedog:
Insult to veterans? Maybe the chickenhawks take it as an insult.
Oh yeah, we forgot. You're John Wayne.
blue,
No, just the patriotic people with sense.
'''The policies of Roosevelt extended the depression??'''
Yes, do a little research. Look for 'Roosevelt, the raw deal'.
No, just the patriotic people with sense.
'''The policies of Roosevelt extended the depression??'''
Yes, do a little research. Look for 'Roosevelt, the raw deal'.
Please call your buddy Newt and all your Repub congressmen and demand they immediatly eliminate TVA off of the face of the earth, because of its bad influence on North Alabama. Honestly K, has it really been of any benefit to our area??
From FDR's own Secretary of the Treasury, testimony that spending billions did not help. Unemployment statistics from that era back up the testimony.
Noblue can not refute the evidence, so he tries to ignore it. Just, as the flat earthers after 1492.
John Wayne! He isn't even Rosinante!
Noblue can not refute the evidence, so he tries to ignore it. Just, as the flat earthers after 1492.
John Wayne! He isn't even Rosinante!
quote:Originally posted by interventor1:
From FDR's own Secretary of the Treasury, testimony that spending billions did not help. Unemployment statistics from that era back up the testimony.
Noblue can not refute the evidence, so he tries to ignore it. Just, as the flat earthers after 1492.
John Wayne! He isn't even Rosinante!
quote:Originally posted by bamacarl:
Please call your buddy Newt and all your Repub congressmen and demand they immediatly eliminate TVA off of the face of the earth, because of its bad influence on North Alabama. Honestly K, has it really been of any benefit to our area??
Thank God it isn't the big, fat, bloated tax-sucker that it was in the '70s. The rest of the country would've revolted if it hadn't been scaled back.
Then immediatlly call for the elimination of all TVA facilities from Alabama. This God fearing area does not need these socialistic good paying jobs when we can all work for wall-mart, or one of the fine restraunts or loan shark businesses in the area. I dare you k, Just tell everybody what you tell us here, TVA is a joke and not needed in the shoals area.
quote:Originally posted by bamacarl:
Then immediatlly call for the elimination of all TVA facilities from Alabama. This God fearing area does not need these socialistic good paying jobs when we can all work for wall-mart, or one of the fine restraunts or loan shark businesses in the area. I dare you k, Just tell everybody what you tell us here, TVA is a joke and not needed in the shoals area.
It WAS a joke and didn't need to be here in the state it WAS in, high school boy.
Hook me up with the proper authorities and I will tell them exactly that.
High school turd I can hook you up with thousands of people from this area who make their lively hoods and feed their familys from their TVA jobs and you can tell them why TVA and there jobs don't belong in this town. Trust me your arrogance and insults will get you a bloody nose, trust me on that one!!
quote:Originally posted by kperk:quote:Originally posted by Nobluedog:
Insult to veterans? Maybe the chickenhawks take it as an insult.
Oh yeah, we forgot. You're John Wayne.
How could a first class buck private former marine forget John Wayne, Gomer? At least John Wayne got off the base and went to war in many pictures. As for you Gomer, you never got off the base.
quote:Originally posted by Nobluedog:quote:Originally posted by kperk:quote:Originally posted by Nobluedog:
Insult to veterans? Maybe the chickenhawks take it as an insult.
Oh yeah, we forgot. You're John Wayne.
How could a first class buck private former marine forget John Wayne, Gomer? At least John Wayne got off the base and went to war in many pictures. As for you Gomer, you never got off the base.
Very clever blewthedog. You get a gold star.
quote:Originally posted by bamacarl:
High school turd I can hook you up with thousands of people from this area who make their lively hoods and feed their familys from their TVA jobs and you can tell them why TVA and there jobs don't belong in this town. Trust me your arrogance and insults will get you a bloody nose, trust me on that one!!
And then I will do like all good Americans. I will take their money in court.
I guess you are so wet behind the years, you never saw tva for what it used to be. I could go in any building over there and see dozens of people sitting on their cans doing jack-squat. Multiply that by the thousands of buildings in the tva and you've got a crap load of worthless employees running up our utility bills because unlike non-government jobs, their pay comes straight out of our pockets, turd.
bama,
TVA is going down the tubes, the only thing bringing in a profit is power. The rest is history. It brought jobs 60 years ago, not now.
There are not 'thousands in this area', maybe a few 100. The entire 7 state TVA unit is about 12,000 now. Your facts are about 30 years out of date.
See TVA.com
TVA is going down the tubes, the only thing bringing in a profit is power. The rest is history. It brought jobs 60 years ago, not now.
There are not 'thousands in this area', maybe a few 100. The entire 7 state TVA unit is about 12,000 now. Your facts are about 30 years out of date.
See TVA.com
quote:Originally posted by LMM:
bama,
TVA is going down the tubes, the only thing bringing in a profit is power. The rest is history. It brought jobs 60 years ago, not now.
There are not 'thousands in this area', maybe a few 100. The entire 7 state TVA unit is about 12,000 now. Your facts are about 30 years out of date.
See TVA.com
When you drive through the reservation now, it's like a ghost town. Empty parking lots, mostly empty parking lots, empty buildings, building with For Sale signs in front. THAT really looks strange.
1,000 jobs at Browns Ferry LMM, not counting the four dams along our river, Colbert steam plant, Power service shop, Widows creek on top of other suppliers in North Alabama who do business with TVA. You say that TVA only makes a profit from power!!! I hate to tell you but thats what TVA produces!!!
Thats okay that you feel TVA is a drag on our local economy, but if this had been a Hoover plan it would be the best thing since slice bread.
Thats okay that you feel TVA is a drag on our local economy, but if this had been a Hoover plan it would be the best thing since slice bread.
Pardon me K, I did not know the reservation was all their was to TVA.
quote:Originally posted by bamacarl:
1,000 jobs at Browns Ferry LMM, not counting the four dams along our river, Colbert steam plant, Power service shop, Widows creek on top of other suppliers in North Alabama who do business with TVA. You say that TVA only makes a profit from power!!! I hate to tell you but thats what TVA produces!!!
Thats okay that you feel TVA is a drag on our local economy, but if this had been a Hoover plan it would be the best thing since slice bread.
You are right and proved my point. TVA is only about power now, and its power at a big profit. You said local area, not all that is local. If you will research TVA you will find that it started as a program to help farmers produce more crops on their land and the hydro electric plant was built to regulate the water supply for farms. Farmers were given instructions in land use and there was a huge part called NFDC. TVA was NOT started to make power. The headquarters was supposed to be in MS, not Knoxville. See the charter.
Whats left is some construction workers, operators at the power plants, and secretaries. That's about it.
quote:Originally posted by bamacarl:
Pardon me K, I did not know the reservation was all their was to TVA.
It's all shrinking proportionately. Just goes to show you how much waste was involved with tva. Everything still runs and with about a third of the number of employees. That's a big savings for you and I.
White also sent a letter to the Courier Journal and Shoalanda. I don't agree with him on some things, but he has some very valid points here.
Most of the dams were built subsequent to the founding of TVA. However, Wilson Dam was built during WWI to supply power for the munitions plant.
And to clarify my view of TVA which has gotten twisted by some in here, I never said TVA was worthless. It WAS and IS needed for power, flood control, and agricultural concerns. As any government entity, it became bloated and was costing America billions of dollars every year.
I have known and still know, many good, hardworking TVA people. BUT, I also knew of many who did hardly anything but keep their chairs from blowing away and yet they brought home the same good pay and great benefits as anyone else at TVA. Multiply that by the entire TVA region and you have a problem.
Over the years, they've eliminated most of the leeches as evidenced by their shrinking payroll which makes me feel better about TVA than at anytime in my life. It let's me know that if you or one of your family members or friends, works at TVA, they probably are WORKING at TVA.
I have known and still know, many good, hardworking TVA people. BUT, I also knew of many who did hardly anything but keep their chairs from blowing away and yet they brought home the same good pay and great benefits as anyone else at TVA. Multiply that by the entire TVA region and you have a problem.
Over the years, they've eliminated most of the leeches as evidenced by their shrinking payroll which makes me feel better about TVA than at anytime in my life. It let's me know that if you or one of your family members or friends, works at TVA, they probably are WORKING at TVA.