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Bush’s plan to destroy America


(Reuters)

The absolute and unrelenting takeover of the government of the United States by a despot named George W. Bush continues - right under the noses of the new Democratic leadership of Congress and in outright defiance of the wishes of the American voters who sent a clear mandate for change in last year’s elections. Bush recently made more moves to consolidate power in the executive branch, signing an order that requires key government agencies to place his political appointees in positions to control policy on health, environmental issues, civil rights and privacy. These political hacks, appointed without review or approval of Congress, can now “interpret” the laws as they - or their President - see fit without regulatory oversight or a requirement to report to anyone.

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Originally posted by Kenny:
You have the wrong person. President Bush is not the enemy it's the radical muslims! Stop listening to the mainstream media and start looking at reality!! America is at war whether we want to accept it or not! Remember September 11, 2001? It's the "Pearl Harbor" in the 21st century!



Kenny, I posted for all to read and I have not said if I agree with the writer or not. just because I post something does not mean I agree but like to see how others feel about issues.

Stop listening to the mainstream media? Who would you say the mainstream media is? I would say fox,msnbc,cnn,abc,cbs,nbc,700 club.
No PBA, a message board is for people to post THIER thoughts. Left or Right. It doesn't matter. Learn how to express your thoughts without the copy and paste functions. What you are doing, we already have newspapers and websites for. Learn how to express your thoughts instead of telling us what someone else thinks. You might be a little more respected. But from the way it looks, you are trying to be a "reporter" in a message board. That's not what this message board is for.
I love the way people call President Bush a dictator, despot, emperor and all other type names. They seem to forget the fact that no matter what he does, he can only serve 8 years total as president and 6 of those are over. Who is he supposedly “gathering all this power” for? Hillary? Rudy? Barack? McCain? I always get a kick out of this particular accusation.
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Originally posted by jaime:
No PBA, a message board is for people to post THIER thoughts. Left or Right. It doesn't matter. Learn how to express your thoughts without the copy and paste functions. What you are doing, we already have newspapers and websites for. Learn how to express your thoughts instead of telling us what someone else thinks. You might be a little more respected. But from the way it looks, you are trying to be a "reporter" in a message board. That's not what this message board is for.



Message boards are for anyone who wish to post a topic, and the ones' that want to get into that topic can do so or not. Most of you don't have a problem with how many are posted, the problem is what is posted!you don't like it when you see a post that makes the right wing look bad and what they are all about. You use the copy and past thing as a no,no. But its ok to copy and past a story, and come back and put your thoughts to the story as where you agree or not, or make your views why you disagree.You want to control everyone's topic or post and that is not how it works. So many of you are doing what you ask me not to do.
quote:
Originally posted by Kenny:
You have the wrong person. President Bush is not the enemy it's the radical muslims! Stop listening to the mainstream media and start looking at reality!! America is at war whether we want to accept it or not! Remember September 11, 2001? It's the "Pearl Harbor" in the 21st century!


PEARL HARBOR, you are kidding me, right???? This is NOTHING like Pearl Harbor was, and I might add that the Leaders of our Country has prior knowledge that Pearl Harbor was going to happen during that day and time...

Comparing Iraq to Pearl Harbor is a slap in the face of WWII Veterans, it is like comparing apples to oranges.

Another thing, I DO believe that the Bush and Cheney Show is trying extremely hard to create an Empire... MAN LOOK AROUND YOU!!!

I bet you even buy gas and other little things from Middle Easterners too... Roll Eyes
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
I love the way people call President Bush a dictator, despot, emperor and all other type names. They seem to forget the fact that no matter what he does, he can only serve 8 years total as president and 6 of those are over. Who is he supposedly “gathering all this power” for? Hillary? Rudy? Barack? McCain? I always get a kick out of this particular accusation.


then happy to please you! Roll Eyes because it is going to take more than my lifetime to recover from Bush/Cheney's Power Hungry Trip.
I think you have actually unified many of us. We use to argue over politics but now we are unified in our dislike of your posts. Personally I question whether you are really a flaming liberal as your copy and pasted articles suggest. I think you a plant who tasked to create some activity on the forums and you probably don't even believe half the stuff you copy and paste.

I've said it before - if a person actually cared about a issue they would take the time to formulate their own thoughts and wouldn't copy and paste news article several times a day.

In addition I think you have pretty much isolated yourself from the liberals on this board and the only ones that reply to your message in a approving way are probably aliases you created. If you were really trying to win hearts and minds you probably wouldn't post article written by people who are aligned with Castro and Chavez. I'm sure there is enough main stream liberal news without posting a daily reason #456 why Bush is Hitler crap.
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Originally posted by Ubermensch:
I think you have actually unified many of us. We use to argue over politics but now we are unified in our dislike of your posts. Personally I question whether you are really a flaming liberal as your copy and pasted articles suggest. I think you a plant who tasked to create some activity on the forums and you probably don't even believe half the stuff you copy and paste.

I've said it before - if a person actually cared about a issue they would take the time to formulate their own thoughts and wouldn't copy and paste news article several times a day.

In addition I think you have pretty much isolated yourself from the liberals on this board and the only ones that reply to your message in a approving way are probably aliases you created. If you were really trying to win hearts and minds you probably would post article written by people who are aligned with Castro and Chavez. I'm sure there is enough main stream liberal news without posting a daily reason #456 why Bush is Hitler crap.


Uber, you typed in so much!!! Wow, I am impressed, .... I am also impressed to the point that I am actually LISTENING TO YOU, and from this day forward.... you KNOW what I mean!! Big Grin
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Originally posted by pba:
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Originally posted by jaime:
No PBA, a message board is for people to post THIER thoughts. Left or Right. It doesn't matter. Learn how to express your thoughts without the copy and paste functions. What you are doing, we already have newspapers and websites for. Learn how to express your thoughts instead of telling us what someone else thinks. You might be a little more respected. But from the way it looks, you are trying to be a "reporter" in a message board. That's not what this message board is for.



Message boards are for anyone who wish to post a topic, and the ones' that want to get into that topic can do so or not. Most of you don't have a problem with how many are posted, the problem is what is posted!you don't like it when you see a post that makes the right wing look bad and what they are all about. You use the copy and past thing as a no,no. But its ok to copy and past a story, and come back and put your thoughts to the story as where you agree or not, or make your views why you disagree.You want to control everyone's topic or post and that is not how it works. So many of you are doing what you ask me not to do.



What the heck are you talking about? I didn't say anything about controlling anyone's topic. OH, and a topic is NOT a link. It's a thought. Yeah you can paste a story and then add your thoughts, that's a topic. But 90% of what you do is just old news that most of us have seen. Which means you think we are just stupid or you think this is the only place we read articles.
If that's the case you are in the wrong place. Giving us new ideas is one thing. CONTINUOUS harping (read: bashing) on the same stuff is really starting to get old.
quote:
Originally posted by Ubermensch:
I think you have actually unified many of us. We use to argue over politics but now we are unified in our dislike of your posts. Personally I question whether you are really a flaming liberal as your copy and pasted articles suggest. I think you a plant who tasked to create some activity on the forums and you probably don't even believe half the stuff you copy and paste.

I've said it before - if a person actually cared about a issue they would take the time to formulate their own thoughts and wouldn't copy and paste news article several times a day.

In addition I think you have pretty much isolated yourself from the liberals on this board and the only ones that reply to your message in a approving way are probably aliases you created. If you were really trying to win hearts and minds you probably wouldn't post article written by people who are aligned with Castro and Chavez. I'm sure there is enough main stream liberal news without posting a daily reason #456 why Bush is Hitler crap.


Your about as full of bull as you look! you don't like the post!! and i have try to debate you often on the post. You try to start trouble and your puppies follow you.I know how you are too!
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Originally posted by jaime:
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Originally posted by pba:
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Originally posted by jaime:
No PBA, a message board is for people to post THIER thoughts. Left or Right. It doesn't matter. Learn how to express your thoughts without the copy and paste functions. What you are doing, we already have newspapers and websites for. Learn how to express your thoughts instead of telling us what someone else thinks. You might be a little more respected. But from the way it looks, you are trying to be a "reporter" in a message board. That's not what this message board is for.



Message boards are for anyone who wish to post a topic, and the ones' that want to get into that topic can do so or not. Most of you don't have a problem with how many are posted, the problem is what is posted!you don't like it when you see a post that makes the right wing look bad and what they are all about. You use the copy and past thing as a no,no. But its ok to copy and past a story, and come back and put your thoughts to the story as where you agree or not, or make your views why you disagree.You want to control everyone's topic or post and that is not how it works. So many of you are doing what you ask me not to do.



What the heck are you talking about? I didn't say anything about controlling anyone's topic. OH, and a topic is NOT a link. It's a thought. Yeah you can paste a story and then add your thoughts, that's a topic. But 90% of what you do is just old news that most of us have seen. Which means you think we are just stupid or you think this is the only place we read articles.
If that's the case you are in the wrong place. Giving us new ideas is one thing. CONTINUOUS harping (read: bashing) on the same stuff is really starting to get old.


Well so much about my post!! lets get on the topic! thanks for your right wing thoughts!
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Originally posted by pba:
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Originally posted by jaime:
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Originally posted by pba:
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Originally posted by jaime:
No PBA, a message board is for people to post THIER thoughts. Left or Right. It doesn't matter. Learn how to express your thoughts without the copy and paste functions. What you are doing, we already have newspapers and websites for. Learn how to express your thoughts instead of telling us what someone else thinks. You might be a little more respected. But from the way it looks, you are trying to be a "reporter" in a message board. That's not what this message board is for.



Message boards are for anyone who wish to post a topic, and the ones' that want to get into that topic can do so or not. Most of you don't have a problem with how many are posted, the problem is what is posted!you don't like it when you see a post that makes the right wing look bad and what they are all about. You use the copy and past thing as a no,no. But its ok to copy and past a story, and come back and put your thoughts to the story as where you agree or not, or make your views why you disagree.You want to control everyone's topic or post and that is not how it works. So many of you are doing what you ask me not to do.



What the heck are you talking about? I didn't say anything about controlling anyone's topic. OH, and a topic is NOT a link. It's a thought. Yeah you can paste a story and then add your thoughts, that's a topic. But 90% of what you do is just old news that most of us have seen. Which means you think we are just stupid or you think this is the only place we read articles.
If that's the case you are in the wrong place. Giving us new ideas is one thing. CONTINUOUS harping (read: bashing) on the same stuff is really starting to get old.


Well so much about my post!! lets get on the topic! thanks for your right wing thoughts!

I'm sorry at what point did I input any right or left wing comments in this post? Everything I have said doesn't have anything to do with political views. Just your lame posting habits.
Talk about someone's mind being closed.
pba,
The opposition is right. You post items that made you think. You like to think. THEY WANT TO SPEW.
It is simple, if you find a sleeping dog, and wake it, you might just get a bite on the backside. Expect it, and decide, should the dog keep sleeping and let the fox slip into the henhouse, or should the DOG WAKE UP AND DO ITS DUTY. PROTECT THE NATION. Well seems like when you woke this dog, it decided to protect the CHURCH. Were you sneaking into the church? Does a church that produces people who say "Originally posted by Kenny:
You have the wrong person. President Bush is not the enemy it's the radical muslims! Stop listening to the mainstream media and start looking at reality!! America is at war whether we want to accept it or not! Remember September 11, 2001? It's the "Pearl Harbor" in the 21st century!"
Keep at it, perhaps one or two will get the message. THE WAR IN IRAQ IS NOT TO PROTECT AMERICANS. IT IS TO DOMINATE IRAQ.
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Originally posted by Ubermensch:
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Your about as full of bull as you look! you don't like the post!! and i have try to debate you often on the post. You try to start trouble and your puppies follow you.I know how you are too!

Posts: 719 | Registered: 11 December 2006


If I come over to your side will you love me long time?


LOL
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Originally posted by EdEKit:
pba,
The opposition is right. You post items that made you think. You like to think. THEY WANT TO SPEW.
It is simple, if you find a sleeping dog, and wake it, you might just get a bite on the backside. Expect it, and decide, should the dog keep sleeping and let the fox slip into the henhouse, or should the DOG WAKE UP AND DO ITS DUTY. PROTECT THE NATION. Well seems like when you woke this dog, it decided to protect the CHURCH. Were you sneaking into the church? Does a church that produces people who say "Originally posted by Kenny:
You have the wrong person. President Bush is not the enemy it's the radical muslims! Stop listening to the mainstream media and start looking at reality!! America is at war whether we want to accept it or not! Remember September 11, 2001? It's the "Pearl Harbor" in the 21st century!"
Keep at it, perhaps one or two will get the message. THE WAR IN IRAQ IS NOT TO PROTECT AMERICANS. IT IS TO DOMINATE IRAQ.




President Bush is not the enemy it's the radical RIGHT WING!!!Bush just goes along with them!
quote:
Originally posted by Kenny:
You have the wrong person. President Bush is not the enemy it's the radical muslims! Stop listening to the mainstream media and start looking at reality!! America is at war whether we want to accept it or not! Remember September 11, 2001? It's the "Pearl Harbor" in the 21st century!

You have the wrong war Kenny, A group of radicals, claiming they were Muslims, attacked the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. THEY DID NOT REPRESENT ISLAM, THEY CORRUPTED IT.
I will bet that you knew nothing of Islam in 2000, and did not learn much about it since, except the DISGUSTING propoganda condemning it as unholy, violent, bloodthirsty, and evil.
You might have had a passing acquaintance with the "Nation of Islam," a particularly American brand of religion. You Might have heard of the muslim hordes who invaded Europe in the ninth and tenth century, but you probably did not know that the invasion only took hold in Turkey and greece, and formed an empire that lasted until the end of WW I. You know a lot about the Roman Empire, it rested on Christianity. The Geography and historical place of the Ottoman Empire is probably a mystery to you. You have undoubtedly heard the Christian side of the Crusades, which failed totally to accomplish the stated goal of restoring Christian control over the "Holy Land"...aka Jerusalem and Palestine. But you do know that the JEWS were trying for the same goal, and heathem Muslims held it.
You probably know the words, "From the Halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli," but you probably don't know that the Halls of Montezuma are now known as New Mexico, Arizona, California, Colorado, Nevada and Utah. Or that the shores of Tripoli refer to the Pirates of the Mediteranian. You Probably know that the Mexican War was against Catholic Mexico, but don't know that the war against the Tripoli Pirates was against Tripoli, in Lybia, and Muslims. You have probably heard of the Charge up San Juan Hill. Do you know that San Juan Hill is in Cuba?
How is it that you know Muslims are evil bloodthirsty terrorists? Did you ask them, or did GEORGE BUSH tell you?
Enough said, START THINKING! Start asking yourself Why YOU THINK WHAT YOU ALREAD THINK.
Ed, I know where you're coming from. These people don't have me fooled. I've been around the block a few times.
I remember back in school. Me and about ten other of my friends made it fun to look for bullies. We would sort of watch out for the little guy.
You've got these so called bullies that can't fight themselves, but they're real big and mighty when they are in a gang together. Well, me and my ten friends would meet up with these preps that were giving the little guy's a hard time, taking their lunch money, and we brought them back down to the little coward that they really were.

It was fun and we got a lot of respect by doing it. Of course, they would go to their teacher and try to make trouble for us, but we had our protection to solve that problem, because if they told on us, we were always able to back up what they were doing. The bullies on this board, you can't kick them in the ass but one way, and that's to out smart them.

They will throw all kinds of things at you to get away from the topic. What they really are doing is trying to destroy the topic. Because they don't want people to catch on to what's going on in the world. They want everybody to believe like them. That's what happened in the Reagan days. The media convienced us to believe like them. And if you want America back, you are going to have to quit believing everything the religious right propaganda, the Reagan propaganda, and so forth.

There's no such thing as a liberal media but the far right wants you to believe there's one. TimesDaily is not liberal. If it was, you would see a whole different outlook in the Shoals. I don't blame the reporters at TimesDaily because they have to do as they are told and everything has to be approved before it is printed. Yeah, I know the very one's that criticize me need to take a look at themselves before they accuse me. I'm a God fearing man but I think you can use God for the wrong purposes. And I feel that's what the religious right, the republicans and George Bush has done. If you want truth, you must search for truth. Otherwise, keep believing the lies that are being told.
I know where I am coming from, and its important that I do. I also know where I am going, and that's important too.

But from what you posted, I don't think you know either.

When I was growing up there was a young man in the projects, about a block from Our ranch. Yep, the housing projects were built adjacent to a dairy farm and our horse ranch, and a whole raft of cotton fields, and a sheep pasture. The smells were the smells of the country, Horse and Sheep and Cow Manure in quantity, and the job opportunities included picking cotton. LONG STAPLE PIMA COTTON for the more knowledgeable in the group. The sheep by the way came down from mountain pastures in the fall, timed to coincide with the end of the cotton harvest, and they were first pastured in the cotton fields, Sheep like the cotton leaves, when they have not been taken down with defoliants. People who pick cotton don't need the plants de foliated, and in fact get sick if they are. The chemicals are not good, not good at all.
Anyway, this young fella, Alvin I'll call him, since that is what his mom did, wanted two things in life, he wanted to play the violin better than anyone else in the world. After his first lesson he played better than anyone else in the neighborhood. And he wanted to be a Cub Scout. His mom thought both were good Ideas, and got him a violin, and a teacher, lord knows how she afforded either, but she, being Jewish and on welfare and all found the way. Since his mom was a Jew, Alvin was a Jew too. The projects were segregated by race, but not by religion, or I would never have met Alvin.
Anyway, Alvin got his violin, and with it came a whole raft of unrelated problems. He was already a Jew, and had all the problems that came with living in a mostly Christian neighborhood.
But, he also wanted to be a Cub Scout. All the other Dens of Scouts would not have him, he, because he was a Jew, could not be sincere when he said the Cub Scout Promise. Cub Scout Promise

I, (say your name), promise
to DO MY BEST
To do my DUTY to GOD
And my Country
To HELP other people, and
To OBEY the LAW of the Pack

Law of the Pack

The Cub Scout follows Akela.
The Cub Scout helps the pack go.
The pack helps the Cub Scout grow.
The Cub Scout gives goodwill.

Cub Scout Motto

DO YOUR BEST

Tiger Cub Motto

SEARCH, DISCOVER, SHARE
You see, the Law of the Pack requires you to "follow Akela." And Akela is not the "nameless" God of the Jew.
So, Alvin was denied admission into any of the dens, but the pack followed a slightly different rule. They said Akela is a representation of the Honorable Wolf, an animal that is loyal to the pack over all other loyalties.
So, to solve the dilema Alvin's mom became a den mother, with a Single Cub, Alvin. My dad, getting wind of this, and disapproving of the rule that if you did not swear loyalty to Akela, who the other den mothers said represented Christ as well as the Honorable Wolf, told me to join Alvin's den. Well, in our little community, owning a Horse Ranch was considered being a wealthy leader of people, so, when I joined the Den, a few others Joined as well. Their parents thought getting their son to be friends with me would get them to be friends with my Rich and Powerful Father. So the plan worked, Alvin got his Violin, and he got to be a Cub Scout, and A WHOLE LOT OF THE NEIGHBORS GOT TO BE REAL MAD AT MY FATHER, and a few got to be friends with my father. All this happened while I was walking about a mile, to school each day, and the space between home and school had always been "friendly territory." Things changed when I became a Jewish Cub Scout. Well, when I joined a Den with a Jewish Den Mother.
I quickly learned that befriending a "Dirty Jew Boy" made me into the same thing.
I also got friendly with every jew from miles around. I had to. If I rejected them, I WAS DEAD MEAT. I learned the lesson of Ghandi during that period, and I learned that no matter how long a little boy beats on you he will eventually tire of the exercise, and stop. I also learned that if there were two of you, there was no beating, just taunts, and the occasional thrown stone.
But, I also learned that if two boys, a Jew, and a "Jew Lover" went after the taunters, well two little boys, me amoung them, took a beating.
Something did not happen though. I never learned my "place" and neither did Alvin. I did learn that since Alvin's place was not automatically my place, all I needed to do was stop being a cub scout in Alvin's den. The thought crossed my mind, and I asked my dad to let me change dens.
HERE IS WHAT HE TOLD ME. "If you let the bullies force you to abandon Alvin because he is a Jew and you are not, the bullies will eventually force you to become a Christian. And I will not have a biggot for a son. So, you have to choose, do you stay in Alvin's Den, and this family, OR do you leave Alvin's Den and move in with one of the families who want you to hate Alvin because he is a Jew. Or will you obey the law of the pack like you promised, and follow Akela, the Honorable Wolf, or will you break your promise, join a den that FOLLOWS BOTH THE HONORABLE WOLF, AND JESUS?" I did not break my promise, because I made it, and the Cub Scout leader who let Alvin's Mother Form a den that did not promise to follow Jesus was right. A Cub scout is allowed to be a Christian, Jew, Muslim or in my case, a Secular Humanist.

Now, back to the topic, "Is Bush's plan to destroy America?"

I think so, and here is why, AMERICANS ARE ALLOWED TO BE AMERICANS and, Jews, or Christians, or Muslims, Or Black, or White, or Asian, or Mexican, or Cherokee or Apache, or Navajo, or SECULAR HUMANISTS. Bush caters to only one of these groups, Evangelical Christians. Eveyone else is excluded. Even some Evangelical Christians are excluded if they are also Democrats. Even some Republican Evangelical Christians are Excluded, if they are Liberal Republican Evangelical Christians. So, to be an American, According to Bush and his followers, you must reject all Democrats, all Liberals, Some Republicans, Some Evangelical Christians, and even some Conservatives who refuse to be Neo Conservatives.
AND, THE ABOVE IS A TRUE ACCOUNTING OF THE EVENTS DESCRIBED.
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Originally posted by EdEKit:
What he has created is a cadre of "political officers" similar to the KGB agents assigned by the Soviet Government to every Ship, air base, military unite, government office and bureau. The aparatchiks of the Soviet Union were the enforcers of the party line.
BUSH IS CREATING THE SAME SYSTEM.




Do you think we're headed for police state? it seems to be the talk at the downtown diner.
quote:
Originally posted by EdEKit:
I know where I am coming from, and its important that I do. I also know where I am going, and that's important too.

But from what you posted, I don't think you know either.

When I was growing up there was a young man in the projects, about a block from Our ranch. Yep, the housing projects were built adjacent to a dairy farm and our horse ranch, and a whole raft of cotton fields, and a sheep pasture. The smells were the smells of the country, Horse and Sheep and Cow Manure in quantity, and the job opportunities included picking cotton. LONG STAPLE PIMA COTTON for the more knowledgeable in the group. The sheep by the way came down from mountain pastures in the fall, timed to coincide with the end of the cotton harvest, and they were first pastured in the cotton fields, Sheep like the cotton leaves, when they have not been taken down with defoliants. People who pick cotton don't need the plants de foliated, and in fact get sick if they are. The chemicals are not good, not good at all.
Anyway, this young fella, Alvin I'll call him, since that is what his mom did, wanted two things in life, he wanted to play the violin better than anyone else in the world. After his first lesson he played better than anyone else in the neighborhood. And he wanted to be a Cub Scout. His mom thought both were good Ideas, and got him a violin, and a teacher, lord knows how she afforded either, but she, being Jewish and on welfare and all found the way. Since his mom was a Jew, Alvin was a Jew too. The projects were segregated by race, but not by religion, or I would never have met Alvin.
Anyway, Alvin got his violin, and with it came a whole raft of unrelated problems. He was already a Jew, and had all the problems that came with living in a mostly Christian neighborhood.
But, he also wanted to be a Cub Scout. All the other Dens of Scouts would not have him, he, because he was a Jew, could not be sincere when he said the Cub Scout Promise. Cub Scout Promise

I, (say your name), promise
to DO MY BEST
To do my DUTY to GOD
And my Country
To HELP other people, and
To OBEY the LAW of the Pack

Law of the Pack

The Cub Scout follows Akela.
The Cub Scout helps the pack go.
The pack helps the Cub Scout grow.
The Cub Scout gives goodwill.

Cub Scout Motto

DO YOUR BEST

Tiger Cub Motto

SEARCH, DISCOVER, SHARE
You see, the Law of the Pack requires you to "follow Akela." And Akela is not the "nameless" God of the Jew.
So, Alvin was denied admission into any of the dens, but the pack followed a slightly different rule. They said Akela is a representation of the Honorable Wolf, an animal that is loyal to the pack over all other loyalties.
So, to solve the dilema Alvin's mom became a den mother, with a Single Cub, Alvin. My dad, getting wind of this, and disapproving of the rule that if you did not swear loyalty to Akela, who the other den mothers said represented Christ as well as the Honorable Wolf, told me to join Alvin's den. Well, in our little community, owning a Horse Ranch was considered being a wealthy leader of people, so, when I joined the Den, a few others Joined as well. Their parents thought getting their son to be friends with me would get them to be friends with my Rich and Powerful Father. So the plan worked, Alvin got his Violin, and he got to be a Cub Scout, and A WHOLE LOT OF THE NEIGHBORS GOT TO BE REAL MAD AT MY FATHER, and a few got to be friends with my father. All this happened while I was walking about a mile, to school each day, and the space between home and school had always been "friendly territory." Things changed when I became a Jewish Cub Scout. Well, when I joined a Den with a Jewish Den Mother.
I quickly learned that befriending a "Dirty Jew Boy" made me into the same thing.
I also got friendly with every jew from miles around. I had to. If I rejected them, I WAS DEAD MEAT. I learned the lesson of Ghandi during that period, and I learned that no matter how long a little boy beats on you he will eventually tire of the exercise, and stop. I also learned that if there were two of you, there was no beating, just taunts, and the occasional thrown stone.
But, I also learned that if two boys, a Jew, and a "Jew Lover" went after the taunters, well two little boys, me amoung them, took a beating.
Something did not happen though. I never learned my "place" and neither did Alvin. I did learn that since Alvin's place was not automatically my place, all I needed to do was stop being a cub scout in Alvin's den. The thought crossed my mind, and I asked my dad to let me change dens.
HERE IS WHAT HE TOLD ME. "If you let the bullies force you to abandon Alvin because he is a Jew and you are not, the bullies will eventually force you to become a Christian. And I will not have a biggot for a son. So, you have to choose, do you stay in Alvin's Den, and this family, OR do you leave Alvin's Den and move in with one of the families who want you to hate Alvin because he is a Jew. Or will you obey the law of the pack like you promised, and follow Akela, the Honorable Wolf, or will you break your promise, join a den that FOLLOWS BOTH THE HONORABLE WOLF, AND JESUS?" I did not break my promise, because I made it, and the Cub Scout leader who let Alvin's Mother Form a den that did not promise to follow Jesus was right. A Cub scout is allowed to be a Christian, Jew, Muslim or in my case, a Secular Humanist.

Now, back to the topic, "Is Bush's plan to destroy America?"

I think so, and here is why, AMERICANS ARE ALLOWED TO BE AMERICANS and, Jews, or Christians, or Muslims, Or Black, or White, or Asian, or Mexican, or Cherokee or Apache, or Navajo, or SECULAR HUMANISTS. Bush caters to only one of these groups, Evangelical Christians. Eveyone else is excluded. Even some Evangelical Christians are excluded if they are also Democrats. Even some Republican Evangelical Christians are Excluded, if they are Liberal Republican Evangelical Christians. So, to be an American, According to Bush and his followers, you must reject all Democrats, all Liberals, Some Republicans, Some Evangelical Christians, and even some Conservatives who refuse to be Neo Conservatives.
AND, THE ABOVE IS A TRUE ACCOUNTING OF THE EVENTS DESCRIBED.



But from what you posted, I don't think you know either.
Yes, my friend, I disagree with you.
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Originally posted by pba:
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Originally posted by EdEKit:
I know where I am coming from, and its important that I do. I also know where I am going, and that's important too.

But from what you posted, I don't think you know either.

When I was growing up there was a young man in the projects, about a block from Our ranch. Yep, the housing projects were built adjacent to a dairy farm and our horse ranch, and a whole raft of cotton fields, and a sheep pasture. The smells were the smells of the country, Horse and Sheep and Cow Manure in quantity, and the job opportunities included picking cotton. LONG STAPLE PIMA COTTON for the more knowledgeable in the group. The sheep by the way came down from mountain pastures in the fall, timed to coincide with the end of the cotton harvest, and they were first pastured in the cotton fields, Sheep like the cotton leaves, when they have not been taken down with defoliants. People who pick cotton don't need the plants de foliated, and in fact get sick if they are. The chemicals are not good, not good at all.
Anyway, this young fella, Alvin I'll call him, since that is what his mom did, wanted two things in life, he wanted to play the violin better than anyone else in the world. After his first lesson he played better than anyone else in the neighborhood. And he wanted to be a Cub Scout. His mom thought both were good Ideas, and got him a violin, and a teacher, lord knows how she afforded either, but she, being Jewish and on welfare and all found the way. Since his mom was a Jew, Alvin was a Jew too. The projects were segregated by race, but not by religion, or I would never have met Alvin.
Anyway, Alvin got his violin, and with it came a whole raft of unrelated problems. He was already a Jew, and had all the problems that came with living in a mostly Christian neighborhood.
But, he also wanted to be a Cub Scout. All the other Dens of Scouts would not have him, he, because he was a Jew, could not be sincere when he said the Cub Scout Promise. Cub Scout Promise

I, (say your name), promise
to DO MY BEST
To do my DUTY to GOD
And my Country
To HELP other people, and
To OBEY the LAW of the Pack

Law of the Pack

The Cub Scout follows Akela.
The Cub Scout helps the pack go.
The pack helps the Cub Scout grow.
The Cub Scout gives goodwill.

Cub Scout Motto

DO YOUR BEST

Tiger Cub Motto

SEARCH, DISCOVER, SHARE
You see, the Law of the Pack requires you to "follow Akela." And Akela is not the "nameless" God of the Jew.
So, Alvin was denied admission into any of the dens, but the pack followed a slightly different rule. They said Akela is a representation of the Honorable Wolf, an animal that is loyal to the pack over all other loyalties.
So, to solve the dilema Alvin's mom became a den mother, with a Single Cub, Alvin. My dad, getting wind of this, and disapproving of the rule that if you did not swear loyalty to Akela, who the other den mothers said represented Christ as well as the Honorable Wolf, told me to join Alvin's den. Well, in our little community, owning a Horse Ranch was considered being a wealthy leader of people, so, when I joined the Den, a few others Joined as well. Their parents thought getting their son to be friends with me would get them to be friends with my Rich and Powerful Father. So the plan worked, Alvin got his Violin, and he got to be a Cub Scout, and A WHOLE LOT OF THE NEIGHBORS GOT TO BE REAL MAD AT MY FATHER, and a few got to be friends with my father. All this happened while I was walking about a mile, to school each day, and the space between home and school had always been "friendly territory." Things changed when I became a Jewish Cub Scout. Well, when I joined a Den with a Jewish Den Mother.
I quickly learned that befriending a "Dirty Jew Boy" made me into the same thing.
I also got friendly with every jew from miles around. I had to. If I rejected them, I WAS DEAD MEAT. I learned the lesson of Ghandi during that period, and I learned that no matter how long a little boy beats on you he will eventually tire of the exercise, and stop. I also learned that if there were two of you, there was no beating, just taunts, and the occasional thrown stone.
But, I also learned that if two boys, a Jew, and a "Jew Lover" went after the taunters, well two little boys, me amoung them, took a beating.
Something did not happen though. I never learned my "place" and neither did Alvin. I did learn that since Alvin's place was not automatically my place, all I needed to do was stop being a cub scout in Alvin's den. The thought crossed my mind, and I asked my dad to let me change dens.
HERE IS WHAT HE TOLD ME. "If you let the bullies force you to abandon Alvin because he is a Jew and you are not, the bullies will eventually force you to become a Christian. And I will not have a biggot for a son. So, you have to choose, do you stay in Alvin's Den, and this family, OR do you leave Alvin's Den and move in with one of the families who want you to hate Alvin because he is a Jew. Or will you obey the law of the pack like you promised, and follow Akela, the Honorable Wolf, or will you break your promise, join a den that FOLLOWS BOTH THE HONORABLE WOLF, AND JESUS?" I did not break my promise, because I made it, and the Cub Scout leader who let Alvin's Mother Form a den that did not promise to follow Jesus was right. A Cub scout is allowed to be a Christian, Jew, Muslim or in my case, a Secular Humanist.

Now, back to the topic, "Is Bush's plan to destroy America?"

I think so, and here is why, AMERICANS ARE ALLOWED TO BE AMERICANS and, Jews, or Christians, or Muslims, Or Black, or White, or Asian, or Mexican, or Cherokee or Apache, or Navajo, or SECULAR HUMANISTS. Bush caters to only one of these groups, Evangelical Christians. Eveyone else is excluded. Even some Evangelical Christians are excluded if they are also Democrats. Even some Republican Evangelical Christians are Excluded, if they are Liberal Republican Evangelical Christians. So, to be an American, According to Bush and his followers, you must reject all Democrats, all Liberals, Some Republicans, Some Evangelical Christians, and even some Conservatives who refuse to be Neo Conservatives.
AND, THE ABOVE IS A TRUE ACCOUNTING OF THE EVENTS DESCRIBED.



But from what you posted, I don't think you know either.
Sorry, I disagree with you.
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Originally posted by pba:
Bush’s plan to destroy America


(Reuters)

The absolute and unrelenting takeover of the government of the United States by a despot named George W. Bush continues - right under the noses of the new Democratic leadership of Congress and in outright defiance of the wishes of the American voters who sent a clear mandate for change in last year’s elections. Bush recently made more moves to consolidate power in the executive branch, signing an order that requires key government agencies to place his political appointees in positions to control policy on health, environmental issues, civil rights and privacy. These political hacks, appointed without review or approval of Congress, can now “interpret” the laws as they - or their President - see fit without regulatory oversight or a requirement to report to anyone.

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/wp/2007/01/31/1950

Goodness, can't you come up something on your own? You dispise the media then post their story. How said,
I guess as long as a story bashes Bush you post it. Try to find a middle road,
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Originally posted by EdEKit:
You see, the Law of the Pack requires you to "follow Akela." And Akela is not the "nameless" God of the Jew.
...They said Akela is a representation of the Honorable Wolf, an animal that is loyal to the pack over all other loyalties.
...and disapproving of the rule that if you did not swear loyalty to Akela, who the other den mothers said represented Christ as well as the Honorable Wolf,
...join a den that FOLLOWS BOTH THE HONORABLE WOLF, AND JESUS?" I did not break my promise, because I made it, and the Cub Scout leader who let Alvin's Mother Form a den that did not promise to follow Jesus was right. A Cub scout is allowed to be a Christian, Jew, Muslim or in my case, a Secular Humanist.


For the record:
"The Story of Akela and Mowgli" is from Rudyard Kipling's "Jungle Book."
Cub Scouts use "Akela" to define the scout's leader (at home it is the parent/guardian, in scouts it is the pack and den leader, at school it is the teacher.) It is someone they are to follow, respect and learn from.

Scouts are to acknowledge God and his creations and are not to promote one belief (of Christ, Buddha, Muhammad, etc.) over any other. The religious aspect of scouting is on God and on the scout's personal religion.

As to the topic - I'm sure Bush isn't worried with destroying America being there are enough liberals already doing that and they don't need any help.
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Originally posted by tdreader:
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"Is Bush's plan to destroy America?"

I don't think it was Bush's plan to destroy America. That just seems to be the way it is working out.

Great thought, seriously, I had never considered the possibility that the destruction of American Ideals was collateral damage in the War to Dominate the World. Mostly because it is NEVER CALLED THE WAR TO DOMINATE THE WORLD. It is the war to dominate the world, but Bush and the propoganda machine call it the war to End Terrorism, and add, that till the last Terrorist is subdued it will continue unabated, leading to the concept of ETERNAL WAR, and the rest of the predictions in George Orwell's great Cautionary Tale, "1984."
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Originally posted by imho:
quote:
Originally posted by EdEKit:
You see, the Law of the Pack requires you to "follow Akela." And Akela is not the "nameless" God of the Jew.
...They said Akela is a representation of the Honorable Wolf, an animal that is loyal to the pack over all other loyalties.
...and disapproving of the rule that if you did not swear loyalty to Akela, who the other den mothers said represented Christ as well as the Honorable Wolf,
...join a den that FOLLOWS BOTH THE HONORABLE WOLF, AND JESUS?" I did not break my promise, because I made it, and the Cub Scout leader who let Alvin's Mother Form a den that did not promise to follow Jesus was right. A Cub scout is allowed to be a Christian, Jew, Muslim or in my case, a Secular Humanist.


For the record:
"The Story of Akela and Mowgli" is from Rudyard Kipling's "Jungle Book."
Cub Scouts use "Akela" to define the scout's leader (at home it is the parent/guardian, in scouts it is the pack and den leader, at school it is the teacher.) It is someone they are to follow, respect and learn from.

Scouts are to acknowledge God and his creations and are not to promote one belief (of Christ, Buddha, Muhammad, etc.) over any other. The religious aspect of scouting is on God and on the scout's personal religion.

As to the topic - I'm sure Bush isn't worried with destroying America being there are enough liberals already doing that and they don't need any help.

I missed this the first time by. I know the origin of Akela. I was reporting a long ago event, that involved a number of people who did not know the origin of Akela, and was reporting their position. It may be that they took the "follow Akela" to mean that THEY HELD ABSOLUTE POWER OVER THE RELIGIOUS BELIEFS OF THE CUB SCOUTS IN THEIR DEN. I don't actually know. WHAT I DID KNOW THEN, AND STILL KNOW, IS ALVIN WAS NOT ALLOWED TO JOIN ANY DEN IN THE AREA BECAUSE HE WAS A JEW. and, the Scouts allowed his Mother to creat a Den He could join. I also know that by joining his Den, and not the one up the road from me that would not have ALVIN, I became the enemy of the group up the road.

What I related was a personal experience of how a single organization, Cub Scouting, was damaged by religious prejudice, and how that damage spread to the wider community. If Alvin had been admitted to any Den at all, there would have been no taunts, no beatings, no problems. And, there would have been one less Cub Scout Den.
I related that story as a metaphore of the Divisive nature of the Bush administration. THERE IS ONLY ONE CONGRESS, AND ONLY ONE USA.
Bush, over the past six years, has publicly refused questions from DEMOCRATS IN THE SENATE. He has refused to meet with them. He has refused questions from reporters in Press conferences, and we have all watched him do it, and Criticised the media for opposing his policies.

While I am on the subject, I was known to be a Secular Humanist. In fact the City Secular Humanist Congregation met at my house. (smell of the farm and all) I was also unwelcome in the Christian Dens. The events described occured begining in 1950, at the height of the McCarthy Era.
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Originally posted by EdEKit:
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Originally posted by tdreader:
quote:
"Is Bush's plan to destroy America?"

I don't think it was Bush's plan to destroy America. That just seems to be the way it is working out.

Great thought, seriously, I had never considered the possibility that the destruction of American Ideals was collateral damage in the War to Dominate the World. Mostly because it is NEVER CALLED THE WAR TO DOMINATE THE WORLD. It is the war to dominate the world, but Bush and the propoganda machine call it the war to End Terrorism, and add, that till the last Terrorist is subdued it will continue unabated, leading to the concept of ETERNAL WAR, and the rest of the predictions in George Orwell's great Cautionary Tale, "1984."



How do you fight Terrorism?To fight terrorism, you must know your enemy!
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Sometimes there can be danger all around you, and you can be your own worst enemy. That is the case with Bush, he is so intent on winning that he cant sense the ship is sinking. Rush Limbaugh summed it up the best, (I like him less than bush) He says the he is comited to defeat his competition( the Democrats). Our constitution alows everybody to speak.
If Bush would open up, and be willing to compromise he could do a whole lot more to gain peace at home and abroad.
DESTROY America??? No, I dont think so...

Have it as an EMPIRE,... that is more of a MAYBE.

Kill the UNITY??? Yep, ya betcha!!!

That means MORE money for the FAT CATS who are already billionaires, and less for the middle class, and none for the poor...

That is what the AGENDA of his predicency in the last six years....
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Originally posted by unclegus:
Sometimes there can be danger all around you, and you can be your own worst enemy. That is the case with Bush, he is so intent on winning that he cant sense the ship is sinking. Rush Limbaugh summed it up the best, (I like him less than bush) He says the he is comited to defeat his competition( the Democrats). Our constitution alows everybody to speak.
If Bush would open up, and be willing to compromise he could do a whole lot more to gain peace at home and abroad.



Unclegus... what are we going to WIN??? It is not our country, we gave them free elections, we have given them their own power, now we need to leave them alone before this gets to the Vietnam stage!

America cannot win over there... ONLY IRAQ CAN WIN OVER THERE... ONL IRAQ!!

We are there,we are fighting, we are doing war things, but the war does NOT belong to us...

Now, if they were in the country Bush SAID Bin Laden was in... HELL YEAH it would THEN be our battle and our win....

But Bush doesn't even REMEMBER the name Bin Laden.
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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
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Originally posted by flatulentinFl:
Why would anyone bother with this commie PBA? He has his agenda. Isn't that right commarde?



DANGIT, I regressed, I promised Uber and MADDOG... and others...

flatulintinfl... will you be my new hero today??? Big Grin


Mine too flatulentinfl. Kindred alread turned me down. (sorry different request)

The title of this thread "Is Bush's plan to destroy America?" is also the subject of a couple of other threads. But here is where the question is DIRECT.


Direct answer. NO...Bush's plan is to DOMINATE America.

A destroyed America is of no use to anyone, and the losses suffered by the rich would be greater than the losses suffered by the rest of us. THEY HAVE MORE TO LOOSE.

The Bush Doctrine is WORLD DOMINATION. It is in the statement of the PNAC. it is in his September 22, 2002 report to congress, NOT THE STATE OF THE UNION.

The State of the Union Speech is a Public Relations Publicity Stunt, and has been ever since radio was invented. It is, and always has been, a large pile of the the most outrageous assertions, justifications and rationalizations that is pressented to a gullible public.

I presume that you are all aculturated. You know the quotes, "Judge a tree by the fruit it bears." "Judge a man by his works and deeds." "What a man does speaks more loudly that what he says."

Bush, and the whole of the Neo Conservative movement SAY they are providing liberty, justice, and the American way. THEY TAKE LIBERTY, DENY JUSTICE AND START THE AMERICAN WAR.

Wake up, the rich get rich by exploiting the rest of us. The powerful get powerful by exercising power over us. The Neo Cons represent the rich and powerful.
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Originally posted by unclegus:
Sometimes there can be danger all around you, and you can be your own worst enemy. That is the case with Bush, he is so intent on winning that he cant sense the ship is sinking. Rush Limbaugh summed it up the best, (I like him less than bush) He says the he is comited to defeat his competition( the Democrats). Our constitution alows everybody to speak.
If Bush would open up, and be willing to compromise he could do a whole lot more to gain peace at home and abroad.


Gotta agree. Panic is the world's worst enemy here, "HITCHIKERS GUIDE TO THE GALAXY" "DON'T PANIC."

Bush, and a lot of Americans after 9/11 acted like a wounded grizzly bear. HE STARTED KILLING EVERYTHING IN SITE.
Some of us still are.

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