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Hi to all my Forum Friends,

 

In a discussion on the TimesDaily Religion Forum, my atheist Friend, Deep, declared about the Christian faith and life, "It's a story perpetuated by those scared of death.  Death is simply the end.  Live!  Live for today!"

 

I told him, "My Friend, you have it all wrong.  Christian believers are NOT afraid of death.  Death holds no fear whatsoever for the believer -- for we KNOW that the moment we leave this worn out old mortal body -- the next moment we WILL be in the presence of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

 

Dory, our daughter, Lana, and I attended three Christian funerals in December.   One was a 92 year old father; another was a 57 year old mother and wife, and the last was a 47 year old mother and wife.  At none of them did we experience wailing and mourning.  Each was a celebration of the life of that person and how each blessed our lives.

 

Was there mourning?  Yes, the husbands, children, close family, and close friends mourned our loss of them in our lives, i.e., we mourned for our own loss.  But. at the same time, we celebrated their promotions to heaven where there is no more pain, no more sorrow, no more loss."

 

Then, Chick, my agnostic Friend, wrote, "Bill, you said, 'Dory, our daughter, Lana, and I attended three Christian funerals in December.'   I thought Dory had those kids when you 'married' her.  That makes her your step-daughter, Bill, not your daughter.  You also mentioned a Mexican divorce in which you said it wasn't worth the paper it was written on?

 

I told her:

 

"Chick, children are made in the heart -- not the crotch.  It is called love.  Yes, my son and daughter have a different birth father who has been dead for many years.  But, they have a "love father" who has loved them very much -- for the last 34 years -- and counting.  So, yes, they are my son and daughter.

 

It is true, during those many wild years between my first wife, who was Hispanic, and my wife today, who is Filipino -- I  wandered through a number of romantic escapades and mistakes.  In one of those, to facilitate such an escapade, I did visit Mexico and obtain a worthless piece of paper.

 

Heck, I did a lot of things in those in-between years which I would just as soon forget.  However, that is the beauty of the Lord and Savior I serve -- He forgives.   When I became a Christian believer at the age of fifty, Jesus Christ gave me His cloak of righteousness to wear -- so that God does not see the scars of Bill Gray's erroneous years.  Yes, that is the God I serve; that is the Lord and Savior I serve.  Praise God He lifted me out of my worldly cesspool and made me  clean.

 

Of course, today, I still get a wee bit dirty.  But, praise God I have his promise found in 1 John 1:9:

 

"If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness"  (1 John 1:9).

 

Chick, you cannot imagine the peace of mind He gives me.  I sincerely wish you would seek that same peace with God, through Jesus Christ (Romans 5:1).

 

Then, my Christian Friend, O No, added, "Chick, when I had step-kids, (well, I still do, but they are grown up now), I called them my kids.  I would introduce them to people as my son and my daughter.  And we used to get such a kick out of people who said they could tell, because my daughter looked just like me.  We would never even bother to tell them I was 'only' their step mom.  I think the kids felt a lot better about being called 'my kids' than they would if I called them step kids.  I WAS their Mom in their minds.  We  liked it that way."

 

In response, I told O No:

 

I had that happen with my first wife who had three young children when we married.  The two older ones (3 and 4 when we married) had more Spanish features like their birth father, while the youngest (18 months when we married) looked more like her mother.  In the years we were together, many times people would comment, "The two older girls look just like their dad (me), but, the youngest looks like her mother."

 

Personally, I think the youngest received the greater compliment -- for her mother was a very beautiful lady.  To make this even more unusual, when our youngest daughter had her first child, a daughter -- she was the exact image of her mother and grandmother -- all three exceptionally beautiful.

 

But, I was happy to hear that the two older girls looked like me -- for I love them all dearly.

 

Years later, when I was single and living in California (but, still involved with my three daughters), I would often mention my girls.  One night, in 1970, my date and I had been dancing and, afterwards, we were going to Denny's for a late night breakfast.  As we parked and were walking into the restaurant, I said something about my girls.  This very  self-centered young lady (my date) told me, "I don't want to hear about your girls."   I looked at her, said, "Fine" -- went back to my car and drove away -- leaving her standing on the sidewalk in front of Denny's.

 

I saw her years later at a computer convention where she was a model in one of the booths.  She gave me her phone number and asked me to call.  I smiled, walked away, and tore up the piece of paper.

 

Children are a precious gift from God -- even when we do not deserve His gifts.  We should always treat our children as such -- both "birth children" and "heart love children."

 

And, that is the way I feel today.  Children, regardless of their age, are a blessing from God.  Grandchildren are the special icing on His divine cake.  God has blessed me so much with my children and grandchildren -- blessings I do not deserve; but, since I am His child, He has given me these blessings.  My goal in life is to, every day, be more deserving of His love and of His blessings.

 

If you agree, please feel free to share this with your Friends, Relatives, Associates, and Neighbors -- all your FRANs.  Let's all keep sharing about God's love and blessings in our lives -- as we continue to share His Written Word and the Gospel of Jesus Christ with all the world -- until He returns.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi to all my Forum Friends,

In a discussion on the TimesDaily Religion Forum, 

It is true, during those many wild years between my first wife, who was Hispanic, and my wife today, who is Filipino -- I  wandered through a number of romantic escapades and mistakes.  In one of those, to facilitate such an escapade, I did visit Mexico and obtain a worthless piece of paper.
Bill

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Good grief, Bill! Do you really love to read your writings so much that you have to do it in two separate topics?

We don't like it that much, maybe you should just write yourself a letter.

 

I do have one question. You said you visited Mexico to obtain a worthless piece of paper. So if that piece of paper is worthless, then you are still married to your first wife. So, you & Dory are not legally married?

 

 

quote:    Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Good grief, Bill!  Do you really love to read your writings so much that you have to do it in two separate topics?  We don't like it that much, maybe you should just write yourself a letter.

 

I do have one question.  You said you visited Mexico to obtain a worthless piece of paper.  So if that piece of paper is worthless, then you are still married to your first wife.  So, you & Dory are not legally married? 


Hi Chick,

 

Good news for you!  I looked at the TimesDaily rules for posting on the forum -- and, praise God -- there is nothing there that says that Chick HAS to read Bill Gray's writings.  Isn't that wonderful?  And, I know this is a big burden off you?  But, you can relax, read only Jimi's one-liners -- and be blessed.  Praise God!

 

Yes, I did say, "I wandered through a number of romantic escapades and mistakes.  In one of those, to facilitate such an escapade, I did visit Mexico and obtain a worthless piece of paper."

 

But, to put your mind at rest -- it had nothing to do with either of these two legitimate marriages.  So, you can rest easy -- Dory and I are legally married.  As a matter of fact, we are doubly married.  First, we married at the court house in California in 1977.   And, then, on our anniversary in 1980 -- we went to Hawaii and had a church wedding.  On our anniversary in 1983, we went to Puerto Vallarta to be married again -- but, could not find a Protestant church where we could be married.

 

There were lots of Roman Catholic churches -- but, the only Protestant church had been destroyed by fire.  Not sure what happened -- but, it did make me wonder.  So, instead of getting married a third time in Puerto Vallarta, we had a Wedding Celebration Dinner with friends we met there.

 

My mom asked Dory why we were getting married every three years.  Dory jokingly told her, "This way Bill only feels like he has been married three years."   But, truthfully, besides being a romantic thing to do -- it also forced us to take a vacation at least every three years.  And, all of that has led to a wonderful 34 years of marriage -- and counting.

 

Chick, I sincerely do appreciate you reading what I write and commenting on it. 

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi Chick,

Good news for you!  I looked at the TimesDaily rules for posting on the forum -- and, praise God -- there is nothing there that says that Chick HAS to read Bill Gray's writings.  Isn't that wonderful?  And, I know this is a big burden off you?  

Bill

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You are one sad human being. Pitiful!

But of course, any wolf in sheep's clothing would be.

quote: Originally Posted by Gingee:

Bill, I personally like to read your posts. Keep them coming!   As for the wolf in sheep's clothing, I think we know who that is.


Hi Gingee,

 

Thank you.  We believers must stick together.  And, knowing that His Team has already won the war makes that easier.   But, we must keep sharing the Gospel, for we never know which non-believer will become a believer.  We have the examples of Paul, C.S. Lewis, Lee Strobel, and many others who were strong non-believers.  Yet, each of them became strong believers -- and did great things for the Lord. 

 

It does make me wonder -- who will be the first in their group -- Jimi, Chick, Jennifer, Crusty, Deep, et al, to make the change and become a warrior for the Lord?

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Originally Posted by Gingee:

More of your one liners Jimi. My cats don't get insulted.

Do you actually like anything or anybody Jimi?

Lighten up a little, smile every now and then.

Go outside and look around more often.

Take a deep breath of fresh air into your lungs.

And thank God that your still above ground and vertical.

God has nothing to with me. You should thank "God" that you haven't been locked up for being a raving lunatic.

It does make me wonder -- who will be the first in their group -- Jimi, Chick, Jennifer, Crusty, Deep, et al, to make the change and become a warrior for the Lord?



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 You can stop wondering, I can assure you it won't be me. Keep cooking those "lie pies" for others, I don't like them, not enough truth in them to suit my taste.

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
quote: Originally Posted by Gingee:

Bill, I personally like to read your posts. Keep them coming!   As for the wolf in sheep's clothing, I think we know who that is.


Hi Gingee,

 

Thank you.  We believers must stick together.  And, knowing that His Team has already won the war makes that easier.   But, we must keep sharing the Gospel, for we never know which non-believer will become a believer.  We have the examples of Paul, C.S. Lewis, Lee Strobel, and many others who were strong non-believers.  Yet, each of them became strong believers -- and did great things for the Lord. 

 

It does make me wonder -- who will be the first in their group -- Jimi, Chick, Jennifer, Crusty, Deep, et al, to make the change and become a warrior for the Lord?

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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If "becoming a warrior" entails embracing ridiculous pseudo-science, or following a cultist set of religious beliefs that require head-spinning contradictory pathways to maintain a self-righteous house of cards, or hating homosexuals, or completely belittling other people's faith - Christian or otherwise, then you won't see me picking up that particular sword.

 

If you want me to follow Jesus' (not Paul's) path, then I have no problem with that.  Remember, Bill, my Jesus forgives your Jesus.

Originally Posted by Gingee:

Bill, I personally like to read your posts. Keep them coming!

As for the wolf in sheep's clothing, I think we know who that is.

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Funny you always show up just to cheer Billy on. He should let you out of the closet more often.

How can I, one that IS NOT a Christian or even pretends to be, be a wolf in sheep's clothing? You evidently don't know the Bible.

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
Hi Gingee,

We believers must stick together.  

 who will be the first in their group -- Jimi, Chick, Jennifer, Crusty, Deep, et al, to make the change and become a warrior for the Lord?

Bill

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There's how many of you bench warmers that stick together? 3? (possibly Bill's multiple personalities?)

You left out your & Gingee's name, Bill. I doubt if that ole devil will let you two go that easily.

quote:   Originally Posted by CrustyMac:
If you want me to follow Jesus' (not Paul's) path, then I have no problem with that.  Remember, Bill, my Jesus forgives your Jesus.

Hi Crusty,

 

So, you think that Paul was not a legitimate writer of Scripture?   Interesting.  Can you explain why you feel this way?

 

My Friend, you tell me, "My Jesus forgives your Jesus."   

 

This is also interesting.  I know who my Jesus Christ is, He of John 1:1, the preexisting deity of the Bible.  But, can you please explain to me just who YOUR JESUS is -- and where we can find more information about him?  I am sincerely interested.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Originally Posted by lexum:

Crust-0-matic

     My curiosity is at an all time high.

Would you please allow as to your religious conviction denomination/faith wise as in Jewish, Adventist, Mormon or if crustisim which religion/faith would you and your dogma likely fit more comfortably should the right person ask?

Why does he have to have any religion? Not everyone needs a crutch to get through the day like you.

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
quote:   Originally Posted by CrustyMac:
If you want me to follow Jesus' (not Paul's) path, then I have no problem with that.  Remember, Bill, my Jesus forgives your Jesus.

Hi Crusty,

 

So, you think that Paul was not a legitimate writer of Scripture?   Interesting.  Can you explain why you feel this way?

 

My Friend, you tell me, "My Jesus forgives your Jesus."   

 

This is also interesting.  I know who my Jesus Christ is, He of John 1:1, the preexisting deity of the Bible.  But, can you please explain to me just who YOUR JESUS is -- and where we can find more information about him?  I am sincerely interested.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

 

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The short answer to your first question, Bill, is that Paul is neither Jesus nor God, as you are not either.  As you already know our differences will always be about the literal inerrentcy of the Bible.  Your cultist take on, and worship of, the Bible are wrong.

 

The answer to your second question is to point out that my Jesus is to your Jesus as the Bible is to the Koran. You claim to understand the message of Jesus, but your actions and words belie that. But if you would like a longer answer, I couldn't say it better than this:

 

http://www.scalzi.com/whatever/003530.html

 

Crust-0-matic,

    It’s my nature and I have suspected for some time that you may have attached yourself to something unhealthy. I did read quite a bit of what he says as is also my nature. I have not finished with him and when I do don’t be surprised if I forbid you to expose yourself unassisted to this possible fringe.

       You may not think I notice but I’m aware that you disappear from time-t0-time only to return with some really strange gimmick you peddle with a straight face.

Hi Crusty,

 

Please, tell me more about your Jesus.  I really am interested in the difference you find between the Jesus Christ I worship -- and the Jesus you call your own.  Of course, you can slough this off with a few more nasty comments -- or you can give an honest, serious answer.  I will leave that to you.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi Crusty,

 

Please, tell me more about your Jesus.  I really am interested in the difference you find between the Jesus Christ I worship -- and the Jesus you call your own.  Of course, you can slough this off with a few more nasty comments -- or you can give an honest, serious answer.  I will leave that to you.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Click link in answer above.  If you believe these are nasty comments, then your Jesus is in fact a nasty person.  But my Jesus forgives your Jesus.

quote:   Originally Posted by CrustyMac:
quote:   Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi Crusty,

 

Please, tell me more about your Jesus.  I really am interested in the difference you find between the Jesus Christ I worship -- and the Jesus you call your own.  Of course, you can slough this off with a few more nasty comments -- or you can give an honest, serious answer.  I will leave that to you.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,   Bill

Click link in answer above.  If you believe these are nasty comments, then your Jesus is in fact a nasty person.  But my Jesus forgives your Jesus.

Hi Crusty,

 

So, since you have no idea about the supposed Jesus you claim to worship -- you find a blog from some unknown atheist or other non-believer, written in 2005, to support the answer you cannot give.   That makes sense.  Or, I suppose, in your non-believing heart, it does.

 

Whoever, and he/she will not even give a name, wrote this blog -- this person knows less about Jesus Christ than you.   And, that is your chosen champion?  Duh!  I wonder if the blogger is a Valley Girl?

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
quote:   Originally Posted by CrustyMac:
quote:   Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi Crusty,

 

Please, tell me more about your Jesus.  I really am interested in the difference you find between the Jesus Christ I worship -- and the Jesus you call your own.  Of course, you can slough this off with a few more nasty comments -- or you can give an honest, serious answer.  I will leave that to you.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,   Bill

Click link in answer above.  If you believe these are nasty comments, then your Jesus is in fact a nasty person.  But my Jesus forgives your Jesus.

Hi Crusty,

 

So, since you have no idea about the supposed Jesus you claim to worship -- you find a blog from some unknown atheist or other non-believer, written in 2005, to support the answer you cannot give.   That makes sense.  Or, I suppose, in your non-believing heart, it does.

 

Whoever, and he/she will not even give a name, wrote this blog -- this person knows less about Jesus Christ than you.   And, that is your chosen champion?  Duh!  I wonder if the blogger is a Valley Girl?

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Bill we've been through this before.  But I'll address your misconceptions point-by-point.

 

1) The blog is by a Christian believer, John Scalzi.

 

2) Who cares what year it was written in? The Bible was written almost 2000 years ago, and you quote older writings all the time.  I try to get you to read some Thomas Aquinas which was written several centuries ago.  Truth is timeless.

 

3) I have given you plenty of answers, they are no worse than yours, and no less genuine.  Where we differ is that mine are valid.  Yours are cult related, often erroneous, and sometimes just plain crazy.  You don't really worship God or Jesus, you worship the Bible, and your narcissism, self-righteousness, hubris, ego, and meta-magical thinking won't get you where you want to go.  You accuse beternu of being legalistic, but you are the worst bible lawyer in town - you know the structure of the law, but not the intent.

 

4) This person may know less about Jesus than me, but he obviously knows more about Jesus than you.  He addresses your Jesus on a number of points.

 

5) Oh my god, Bill, you said "duh" to me again.

 

6) No the blogger is not a Valley Girl.  John Scalzi happens to be a well respected science fiction writer.  His writing talents are much more likely God-given than yours. (Oh, and for the record, I went to college with a Valley Girl - she was a genius in physics, graduated Phi Beta Kappa, and could whip your ass with one hand tied behind her back on the basketball and racquetball courts).

 

7) He is not my champion, but he does articulate much of what I believe about the Jesus Christ represented in the Bible versus your crazy, distorted, and often erroneous take.

 

8) Here, I'll articulate in my own words - the Jesus that I have a relationship with said to love my neighbors, to treat others as I would have them treat me, and to fight the good fight.  No where does my Jesus - the Jesus of the Bible - say to condemn anyone.  He is looking for sinners, and his kingdom is in heaven.  I'm glad you read the whole thing, because you now know what is wrong with your Jesus. God knows what is in your heart and mind, Bill, and I'm pretty sure your Bible thumping, holier-than-thou attitude won't be seen as a virtue.  Did you actually listen to the video of the guy's poem about religion vs. Christianity that was posted the other day, or did you just fall asleep and yell "hallelujah" when you woke up at the end? 

 

9) My Jesus forgives your Jesus, Bill.

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by Gingee:

Bill, I personally like to read your posts. Keep them coming!

As for the wolf in sheep's clothing, I think we know who that is.

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Funny you always show up just to cheer Billy on. He should let you out of the closet more often.

How can I, one that IS NOT a Christian or even pretends to be, be a wolf in sheep's clothing? You evidently don't know the Bible.


I show up when I please. And that is usually when people like yourself are straddling the fence playing both sides. "you're anybody's dog that will pet you"

I show up when I please. And that is usually when people like yourself are straddling the fence playing both sides. "you're anybody's dog that will pet you" 

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"Anybody's dog that will hunt with them".

 

Looks like you've forgotten a lot about Southern expressions. And apparently she isn't "anyone's dog" because you and, others like you, bill, can't get her to hunt with you. Gotta love the way you, supposedly christian men, try to belittle and bully people, especially women, into buying the crap you peddle. But we all know why you keep trying, Boink!

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
Hi Gingee,

We believers must stick together.  

 who will be the first in their group -- Jimi, Chick, Jennifer, Crusty, Deep, et al, to make the change and become a warrior for the Lord?

Bill

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There's how many of you bench warmers that stick together? 3? (possibly Bill's multiple personalities?)

You left out your & Gingee's name, Bill. I doubt if that ole devil will let you two go that easily.

What the devil does will be what God allows him to do not what you wish he would do. I just pray that when the time presents itself that you are prepared to bow down before God, because you will bow down before God.

quote:   Originally Posted by CrustyMac:
Bill we've been through this before.  But I'll address your misconceptions point-by-point.

 

6) No the blogger is not a Valley Girl.  John Scalzi happens to be a well respected science fiction writer.  His writing talents are much more likely God-given than yours. (Oh, and for the record, I went to college with a Valley Girl - she was a genius in physics, graduated Phi Beta Kappa, and could whip your ass with one hand tied behind her back on the basketball and racquetball courts).

 

7) He is not my champion, but he does articulate much of what I believe about the Jesus Christ represented in the Bible versus your crazy, distorted, and often erroneous take.

 

8) Here, I'll articulate in my own words - the Jesus that I have a relationship with said to love my neighbors, to treat others as I would have them treat me, and to fight the good fight.  No where does my Jesus - the Jesus of the Bible - say to condemn anyone.  He is looking for sinners, and his kingdom is in heaven.  I'm glad you read the whole thing, because you now know what is wrong with your Jesus. God knows what is in your heart and mind, Bill, and I'm pretty sure your Bible thumping, holier-than-thou attitude won't be seen as a virtue.  Did you actually listen to the video of the guy's poem about religion vs. Christianity that was posted the other day, or did you just fall asleep and yell "hallelujah" when you woke up at the end? 

 

9) My Jesus forgives your Jesus, Bill.


Hi Crusty,

 

I have googled your John Scalzi and if you can find a single bio which mentions God, Jesus Christ, John Scalzi's faith (of any kind), or his relationship with God and Jesus Christ -- I would love to read it.

 

Yes, he does talk about Jesus in his blogs.  Hey, he would talk about eating sand if that was his thought for the day.  This, in no way, indicates that he has any idea who the real Jesus Christ is or what it takes to  have a personal relationship with him.

 

From what I have read about your John Scalzi, it would not surprise me to find that he is a follower of Richard Dawkins and his religion of atheism.

 

The Jesus you have described in your item 8 above is a "feel good, do good deeds" Jesus -- but, how do you relate Him to Matthew 28:18-20?  You know that passage:  Go, Make Disciples, Baptize Them, TEACH THEM.   

 

How many times in Scripture do we find Jesus Christ warning about false religions, false teachers, and those who believe that all they have to do is to be nice to everyone -- but, have no personal relationship with Him.

 

Sorry, my Friend, but you still have not told me where to find your Jesus -- the one who tells you to just do good and not worry about going to church, following Christ, being indwelled with the Holy Spirit, etc. -- and all will be well.

 

I would say that you should be careful of who you are following -- until you know WHERE he is leading you.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Yes, he does talk about Jesus in his blogs.  Hey, he would talk about eating sand if that was his thought for the day.  This, in no way, indicates that he has any idea who the real Jesus Christ is or what it takes to  have a personal relationship with him.


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Sounds like you're talking about yourself. I must admit, anyone talking about sand would probably be more entertaining and make more sense than your ramblings.

quote:  Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:

The only Jesus I know works at the chicken plant.


Hi Jimi,

 

Unfortunately, that is far too obvious.  But, we can pray that one day your spirituals eyes will be opened.  No one, not even you, is totally hopeless.  Jesus Christ came to earth to save everyone, even those with their heads stuck in the sand.  But, first, you must, one day, pull you head from the sands of atheism and look at the real world which God has created.  But, the choice will always be yours to make.

 

He has done His part; now you must do yours:  by the grace of God, through faith in Jesus Christ; believe and receive His "free gift" of eternal life.  Simple.  Even Jimi can do it.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Hi Gingee,

 

Thank you for your encouragement.  The gift of encouragement is one of the greatest, yet less used, of all the gifts He gives to believers.  Thank you for your support -- and let the words of the atheists who would demean us just flow down the gutter where it belongs.

 

Jennifer, you seem to think that the only place one can find deceivers, i.e., wolves in sheep clothing, is in the Bible.  No, my Friend, that is a trait which is all to common in our world.  And, it is growing in proportion with the growth of atheism in the world.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Jennifer, you seem to think that the only place one can find deceivers, i.e., wolves in sheep clothing, is in the Bible. No, my Friend, that is a trait which is all to common in our world. And, it is growing in proportion with the growth of atheism in the world.

 

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You're losing it bill. When have you ever seem me post the line "wolves in sheep's clothing" or the word "deceivers"? I've been noticing that you are getting more confused, paranoid, untruthful (if that's even possible) and just "out there" lately. You need a check up. And please explain how an atheist can be a "wolf in sheep's clothing", or a "deceiver"? That's your world, not ours.

Originally Posted by CrustyMac:
Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
quote:   Originally Posted by CrustyMac:
Bill we've been through this before.  But I'll address your misconceptions point-by-point.

 

6) No the blogger is not a Valley Girl.  John Scalzi happens to be a well respected science fiction writer.  His writing talents are much more likely God-given than yours. (Oh, and for the record, I went to college with a Valley Girl - she was a genius in physics, graduated Phi Beta Kappa, and could whip your ass with one hand tied behind her back on the basketball and racquetball courts).

 

7) He is not my champion, but he does articulate much of what I believe about the Jesus Christ represented in the Bible versus your crazy, distorted, and often erroneous take.

 

8) Here, I'll articulate in my own words - the Jesus that I have a relationship with said to love my neighbors, to treat others as I would have them treat me, and to fight the good fight.  No where does my Jesus - the Jesus of the Bible - say to condemn anyone.  He is looking for sinners, and his kingdom is in heaven.  I'm glad you read the whole thing, because you now know what is wrong with your Jesus. God knows what is in your heart and mind, Bill, and I'm pretty sure your Bible thumping, holier-than-thou attitude won't be seen as a virtue.  Did you actually listen to the video of the guy's poem about religion vs. Christianity that was posted the other day, or did you just fall asleep and yell "hallelujah" when you woke up at the end? 

 

9) My Jesus forgives your Jesus, Bill.


Hi Crusty,

 

I have googled your John Scalzi and if you can find a single bio which mentions God, Jesus Christ, John Scalzi's faith (of any kind), or his relationship with God and Jesus Christ -- I would love to read it.

 

Yes, he does talk about Jesus in his blogs.  Hey, he would talk about eating sand if that was his thought for the day.  This, in no way, indicates that he has any idea who the real Jesus Christ is or what it takes to  have a personal relationship with him.

 

From what I have read about your John Scalzi, it would not surprise me to find that he is a follower of Richard Dawkins and his religion of atheism.

 

The Jesus you have described in your item 8 above is a "feel good, do good deeds" Jesus -- but, how do you relate Him to Matthew 28:18-20?  You know that passage:  Go, Make Disciples, Baptize Them, TEACH THEM.   

 

How many times in Scripture do we find Jesus Christ warning about false religions, false teachers, and those who believe that all they have to do is to be nice to everyone -- but, have no personal relationship with Him.

 

Sorry, my Friend, but you still have not told me where to find your Jesus -- the one who tells you to just do good and not worry about going to church, following Christ, being indwelled with the Holy Spirit, etc. -- and all will be well.

 

I would say that you should be careful of who you are following -- until you know WHERE he is leading you.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

 

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According to you, Bill, all that is necessary is to believe.  Why do you now put going to church as an extra requirement?  And once again you've relegated the Holy Spirit to a ghostly apparition.  It's sad really, that you have only found Jesus on paper and not in your heart.

 

You haven't really disputed anything he wrote - he nailed your Jesus and your crazy take on religion - nor anything I've written concerning you.  You blather on, telling Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Catholics, and Christian Scientists that they are all going to hell.  You tell me and many other non-fundy Christians that we are going to hell.  Based on your wacko take on things, your Jesus is a Fail, since he can't even save his own followers. You are wrong, and you are absolutely the wrong person, spouting the wrong cultist belief system to be judging anyone on this forum or anywhere else.

 

It's okay, though, in the end:  because my Jesus forgives your Jesus.

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