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Hi to my Forum Friends,

The next time you have free time in the afternoon or late evening -- and are looking for a television show to watch. Let me show you what you are supporting when you watch the Oprah Show:

Turn up your volume and click on the URL link below. It is a segment of an Oprah Show where she is arguing with women in her audience about Jesus Christ. Many of the women are telling Oprah that Jesus is the only way to salvation, to heaven. Oprah is arguing that there are millions of ways to heaven.

IS THERE ONLY ONE WAY TO HEAVEN?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...w1gk&feature=related

For those of us who will, at times, allow the television to baby sit our children -- or those who sit with your teenage children and watch Oprah together; let me show you what you are supporting. Thirty years ago, we had Shirley MacLaine who was the Hollywood New Age Queen -- and she made a fortune with her books telling folks about her psychic experiences and the ET masters she channeled.

Today, we have the new Hollywood New Age Queen, Queen Oprah -- with a television audience of millions worldwide -- selling her New Age religion. And, sadly, many are accepting everything she preaches -- because she is Oprah.

I praise God for the ladies on this show who would not back down from Oprah -- and told her the truth on national television; even though she does not want to hear it.

To my Christian Friends, keep this in mind -- when you support Oprah in ANY way -- you are supporting one who teaches against the Bible and against Jesus Christ.

"If it is disagreeable in your sight to serve the LORD, choose for yourselves today whom you will serve: whether the gods which your fathers served which were beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you are living; but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD" (Joshua 24:15)

I pray that this video clip from the Oprah Show is a real eye opener for everyone. Keep in mind that you can click her show off -- just as easily as you clicked it on.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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The Bible teaches that there are many ways..... HOWEVER, the Bible clarifies the "ways" this way... "There is a way that seemeth right, but the ends thereof is death" not life everlasting. JESUS is the only way to salvation and everlasting communion with God.

All of the other (millions) of ways cannot be right, but they all can be wrong. And they are wrong.
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Originally posted by miamizsun:
Bill, I noticed on almost every occasion I post a video hosted by youtube, you knock the source as being edited and not trustworthy.

What makes this one special?

Regards, Miamizsun

As for the video's content I think they are both(or all three people) are incorrect.
Hi Miami,

Because it is obviously a section of the recorded Oprah Show. If you could see any actors or editing done on this segment; please show it to us.

There is a world of difference between an individual setting up a video camera and making himself/herself an instant video star -- spouting his/her beliefs as though they were factual -- and taking a segment from a professionally recorded show such as this.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
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Originally posted by miamizsun:
Bill, I noticed on almost every occasion I post a video hosted by youtube, you knock the source as being edited and not trustworthy.

What makes this one special?

Regards, Miamizsun

As for the video's content I think they are both(or all three people) are incorrect.
Hi Miami,

Because it is obviously a section of the recorded Oprah Show. If you could see any actors or editing done on this segment; please show it to us.

There is a world of difference between an individual setting up a video camera and making himself/herself an instant video star -- spouting his/her beliefs as though they were factual -- and taking a segment from a professionally recorded show such as this.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill


Are you saying that this clip from Oprah's show couldn't have been edited?



Also, I don't think the History Channel or the Discovery Channel are shot in someone's basement.
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Originally posted by miamizsun:
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
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Originally posted by miamizsun:
Bill, I noticed on almost every occasion I post a video hosted by youtube, you knock the source as being edited and not trustworthy.

What makes this one special?

Regards, Miamizsun

As for the video's content I think they are both(or all three people) are incorrect.
Hi Miami,

Because it is obviously a section of the recorded Oprah Show. If you could see any actors or editing done on this segment; please show it to us.

There is a world of difference between an individual setting up a video camera and making himself/herself an instant video star -- spouting his/her beliefs as though they were factual -- and taking a segment from a professionally recorded show such as this.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Are you saying that this clip from Oprah's show couldn't have been edited?

Also, I don't think the History Channel or the Discovery Channel are shot in someone's basement.
Hi Miami,

If you can show me this is an edited segment and that Oprah did not say those things; I will publicly apologize.

Regarding the History Channel and Discovery Channel -- I enjoy them both. However, that does not mean that I buy everything Discovery tells us. Many of their authorities are as New Age as Oprah. She could be their queen.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill
Bill, I could care less what Oprah says, my point is that you question History, Science and Discovery Channel videos that I linked to on youtube, yet you use the same service and expect it to be accepted. I don't think the Oprah video is edited, as well as the ones I linked to either. I just expect the same treatment and not a double standard.

Also, there are some here who have linked to some church services that you might enjoy. I suggest that you embrace the web and use good judgment when someone presents a credible source.

Regards, miamizsun
If people want to see some really loonie stuff, just tune in Hagee sometimes. Top things off by a dose of Pat Robertson's magic pancake formula. Then for dessert, the pink-wigged woman and her tan-in-a-can husband acting like idiots on their turn of the 20th century Viennese cathouse set.
When the porcine Hagee breaks out the charts and starts his "Iran delinda est" routine, a new Episcopalian is made.
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Originally posted by miamizsun: Bill, I could care less what Oprah says, my point is that you question History, Science and Discovery Channel videos that I linked to on youtube, yet you use the same service and expect it to be accepted. I don't think the Oprah video is edited, as well as the ones I linked to either. I just expect the same treatment and not a double standard.

Also, there are some here who have linked to some church services that you might enjoy. I suggest that you embrace the web and use good judgment when someone presents a credible source.

Regards, miamizsun
Hi Miami,

Also, I question every pastor I hear and every Bible commentary I read. I do not take anyone or any book -- or for that matter -- any television show or video -- as the Gospel.

I have never met a pastor that I have agreed with on everything he taught. Does this mean that I do not respect them; or that I do not acknowledge that they have a good knowledge of God's Word. No. In Acts 17:11, we are taught that we should examine the Scriptures and test everything we are taught -- not to fight against our teachers, but to keep our teachers and ourselves honest and on the straight and narrow path to salvation.

Yes, there is a world of knowledge on the internet. But, there is also a world of misinformation. This happens when just anyone can buy a video camera, sit in front of it, and talk his/her head off -- espousing whatever religion, non-religion, or other things he/she might believe -- and then post it on the internet. As you said, we must use discernment, we must use judgment, when gathering information on the internet.

And, Christian believers have another level of discernment which non-believers do not: we have the Holy Spirit within us, guiding us, teaching us, and convicting us when something is wrong.

Just because something is taught on the Discovery Channel, or any other channel, does not make it true. In the last year, Oprah had been strongly teaching a New Age religion on her show. None of it is true; yet, with Oprah supporting it -- many people are led astray. Many folks who might be ready to seek knowledge of Jesus Christ -- can be led in the opposite direction by Oprah. Sadly, one day, Oprah will have to stand before the Jesus Christ she has turned against -- and she will have to account for every soul she led away from Christ.

Miami, I am not ignoring the videos you suggest; but, only look at them with discernment. If you tell me to watch a Richard Dawkins video -- sorry, I already know that he is even ten times worse than Oprah. So, why waste my time on it?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill
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Originally posted by TheNightCrow:
I have nightmares about John Hagee.

I cannot imagine Jesus saying (or even thinking) some of the things that come out of that man's mouth.

Oprah is fabulous.
Hi Crow,

While I will admit that John Hagee is not one of my favorite Christian teachers; he does have a lot of good teachings -- and sometimes he goes off the deep end.

On the other hand, Crow, if you believe Oprah is fabulous -- then, you have a much bigger problem that John Hagee.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill
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Originally posted by magikalis:
Bill Gray,
You have a problem with strong, successful women. Why am I not surprised at that?
Hi Magi,

I have a problem with ANYONE -- male, female, or otherwise -- who propogates and promotes the New Age religion teachings.

When Oprah uses her television platform to teach her New Age philosophies -- leading many innocent souls away from Jesus Christ and toward the demonic teachings of psychics, card readers, and other New Age teachings -- YES, I have a big problem with her.

Magi, I do not know whether you have said you are Christian or not -- but, if you are following and blessing Oprah's New Age religion; you need to look for a new leader.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill
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Originally posted by miamizsun:
Hagee's rants, especially about Armageddon, are insane. I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks ending it all in a giant nuclear fireball is a lose - lose situation.
Hi Miami,

Since you do not accept the Bible; tell us, in your own words, what you believe is the future for you, me, and the world as we know it.

What is going to happen to this world?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill
Oh, I don't think Oprah is the worst thing to come down the pike. She believes in personal empowerment through education, victims rights, social justice and a multitude of other things I also support. I think someone is looking for enemies, and may be influenced by Oprah's support of Obama.

Actually what Oprah was saying is quite simple. She is questioning wheather or not someone who has NEVER heard the name Jesus, yet lives a good moral life, is automatically doomed to hell. If an individual who has NEVER heard the name of Jesus to be comdemned to hell does not agree with most peoples understanding of God's love. I am sure many of you would relegate such individuals straight to hell. I am not so sure you are right. Oprah is well within her rights to question such a narrow view.

Just for the record - I don't watch her show.
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Originally posted by magikalis:
Bill Gray,
I have embraced the new age movement and I am very glad to see other people looking forward to moving into a new age.
Hi Magi,

What is it about the New Age religion that you embrace? Why does this appeal to you? Do you believe in eternal life? If so, do you believe the New Age religion offers you eternal life?

If you were to die today; do you know that you will go to heaven?

If you were to stand before God today, and He asked you, "Why should I let you into heaven?" -- What would you say?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
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Originally posted by miamizsun:
Hagee's rants, especially about Armageddon, are insane. I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks ending it all in a giant nuclear fireball is a lose - lose situation.
Hi Miami,

Since you do not accept the Bible; tell us, in your own words, what you believe is the future for you, me, and the world as we know it.

What is going to happen to this world?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill


Bill, I accept the Bible for its historic value, just as I would any other religious document. However, why would I live my life based on ancient tribal text and fables, with many references to magical fluff?

I don't require that threat of eternal hell to do the right thing, or the reward of a heavenly place in the sky with a god or gods.

The future for you and I? I hope we die of old age and live to see our families, children and grandchildren happy and healthy.

This world? Its awesome, and I absolutely love it here and anyone looking forward to an apocalyptic nuclear BBQ doesn't need to have their hands anywhere near the big red button.

How do you feel about Armageddon?

regards, miamizsun
New Age Spirituality is all about getting your power back. Not that you ever lost it. Sometimes you gave your power away, misplaced it, or forgot you had power in the first place.
New Age Spirituality asks that each person take responsibility for everything that happens in life, because everything in life is connected.
We must learn to love ourselves; for out of love for one's self, comes love for others.
When we confront our feelings of hatred and anger, and understand the causes, we can change the feelings, or even let them go. To use a New Age term - we are "raising our consciousness" about our unconscious perceptions of who we are, a child of God. Peace for the world begins with peace and balance within ourselves.The best way to create inner peace is to go within. You come to realize you truly are a child of God, and therefore a co-creator. You do not need a priest or minister to intercede for you. They recognize you no longer need them in the same way you did in the past. They also recognize they can no longer control you, through guilt or fear. Is it any wonder New Age Spirituality frightens religious leaders? It is time to take back your power. It is time to remember you had it all along.
Originally posted by Bill Gray:
And, Christian believers have another level of discernment which non-believers do not: we have the Holy Spirit within us, guiding us, teaching us, and convicting us when something is wrong.

That is fine and good, it does not address what Oprah Winfrey was saying. Her remarks were clearly concerning those who have NEVER heard the name Jesus.
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Originally posted by meanasasnake:
Originally posted by Bill Gray:
And, Christian believers have another level of discernment which non-believers do not: we have the Holy Spirit within us, guiding us, teaching us, and convicting us when something is wrong.

That is fine and good, it does not address what Oprah Winfrey was saying. Her remarks were clearly concerning those who have NEVER heard the name Jesus.

I'm not trying to argue, but this is my take on it...I would reference Romans 1:18-20 as anyone saying they didn't have a chance. The Bible is pretty clear that anyone who is truly seeking to know God will find that God will reveal himself to them (i.e., Acts 8:26-40...the Ethiopian eunuch who was on his way back from Jerusalem where he'd been worshiping).

When I was in college it felt like I was going through the motions in church attendance, singing, and all of it. I felt very disillusioned by it all. I'm not sure why I kept on going or kept on believing...I guess I figured the motions I was going through were better than a lot of other motions I could choose at that time. I'm glad I didn't turn away and seek fulfillment with something else. It's a very hard thing to articulate, so I'm sure I'm not doing it justice.

As for Oprah? I don't watch her much, so I can't comment on her.
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Originally posted by meanasasnake:
Originally posted by Bill Gray:
And, Christian believers have another level of discernment which non-believers do not: we have the Holy Spirit within us, guiding us, teaching us, and convicting us when something is wrong.

That is fine and good, it does not address what Oprah Winfrey was saying. Her remarks were clearly concerning those who have NEVER heard the name Jesus.

Totally off subject, but sometimes on our Thursday night club ride we ride around through some of the older neighborhoods in Sheffield overlooking the river. I always think of you when we do and wonder if your house is one I'm passing. Don't worry, I don't want to stalk you...just kinda cool how you can meat people on a forum like this.
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Originally posted by Zuter:
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Originally posted by meanasasnake:
Originally posted by Bill Gray:
And, Christian believers have another level of discernment which non-believers do not: we have the Holy Spirit within us, guiding us, teaching us, and convicting us when something is wrong.

That is fine and good, it does not address what Oprah Winfrey was saying. Her remarks were clearly concerning those who have NEVER heard the name Jesus.

Totally off subject, but sometimes on our Thursday night club ride we ride around through some of the older neighborhoods in Sheffield overlooking the river. I always think of you when we do and wonder if your house is one I'm passing. Don't worry, I don't want to stalk you...just kinda cool how you can meat people on a forum like this.


Actually my house is a little east of Sheffield. My place is on Wilson Lake (still the river). I have, however, seen a group of riders in Sheffield. Could have been you!
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Originally posted by meanasasnake:
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Originally posted by Zuter:
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Originally posted by meanasasnake:
Originally posted by Bill Gray:
And, Christian believers have another level of discernment which non-believers do not: we have the Holy Spirit within us, guiding us, teaching us, and convicting us when something is wrong.

That is fine and good, it does not address what Oprah Winfrey was saying. Her remarks were clearly concerning those who have NEVER heard the name Jesus.

Totally off subject, but sometimes on our Thursday night club ride we ride around through some of the older neighborhoods in Sheffield overlooking the river. I always think of you when we do and wonder if your house is one I'm passing. Don't worry, I don't want to stalk you...just kinda cool how you can meat people on a forum like this.


Actually my house is a little east of Sheffield. My place is on Wilson Lake (still the river). I have, however, seen a group of riders in Sheffield. Could have been you!

Could be! I ride a silver 56-cm Trek E7 if that help...lol!
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Originally posted by meanasasnake:
Oh, I don't think Oprah is the worst thing to come down the pike. She believes in personal empowerment through education, victims rights, social justice and a multitude of other things I also support. I think someone is looking for enemies, and may be influenced by Oprah's support of Obama.

Actually what Oprah was saying is quite simple. She is questioning wheather or not someone who has NEVER heard the name Jesus, yet lives a good moral life, is automatically doomed to hell. If an individual who has NEVER heard the name of Jesus to be comdemned to hell does not agree with most peoples understanding of God's love. I am sure many of you would relegate such individuals straight to hell. I am not so sure you are right. Oprah is well within her rights to question such a narrow view.

Just for the record - I don't watch her show.


Meanasa ,,people all over the world know who Oprah is . Wink
Do you really think they have never heard of Jesus Christ ?
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
And, Christian believers have another level of discernment which non-believers do not: we have the Holy Spirit within us, guiding us, teaching us, and convicting us when something is wrong.


Perceived guidance by a supernatural spirit doesn't make it so and we all know that Christians suffer the human constraints of practicing moral behavior just like any other.
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Originally posted by miamizsun:
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
And, Christian believers have another level of discernment which non-believers do not: we have the Holy Spirit within us, guiding us, teaching us, and convicting us when something is wrong.


Perceived guidance by a supernatural spirit doesn't make it so and we all know that Christians suffer the human constraints of practicing moral behavior just like any other.

True, but disbelief in perceived guidance has no bearing on the authenticity of the guidance by a supernatural spirit. A counterexample doesn't invalidate all examples, just the conjecture.
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Originally posted by tnt5862:
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Originally posted by meanasasnake:
Oh, I don't think Oprah is the worst thing to come down the pike. She believes in personal empowerment through education, victims rights, social justice and a multitude of other things I also support. I think someone is looking for enemies, and may be influenced by Oprah's support of Obama.

Actually what Oprah was saying is quite simple. She is questioning wheather or not someone who has NEVER heard the name Jesus, yet lives a good moral life, is automatically doomed to hell. If an individual who has NEVER heard the name of Jesus to be comdemned to hell does not agree with most peoples understanding of God's love. I am sure many of you would relegate such individuals straight to hell. I am not so sure you are right. Oprah is well within her rights to question such a narrow view.

Just for the record - I don't watch her show.


Meanasa ,,people all over the world know who Oprah is . Wink
Do you really think they have never heard of Jesus Christ ?


You really should watch the Utube video. Yes, there are people on earth who do not know, or understand the concept of Christianity.
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Originally posted by meanasasnake:
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Originally posted by tnt5862:
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Originally posted by meanasasnake:
Oh, I don't think Oprah is the worst thing to come down the pike. She believes in personal empowerment through education, victims rights, social justice and a multitude of other things I also support. I think someone is looking for enemies, and may be influenced by Oprah's support of Obama.

Actually what Oprah was saying is quite simple. She is questioning wheather or not someone who has NEVER heard the name Jesus, yet lives a good moral life, is automatically doomed to hell. If an individual who has NEVER heard the name of Jesus to be comdemned to hell does not agree with most peoples understanding of God's love. I am sure many of you would relegate such individuals straight to hell. I am not so sure you are right. Oprah is well within her rights to question such a narrow view.

Just for the record - I don't watch her show.


Meanasa ,,people all over the world know who Oprah is . Wink
Do you really think they have never heard of Jesus Christ ?


You really should watch the Utube video. Yes, there are people on earth who do not know, or understand the concept of Christianity.


got a link for me ? Wink
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Originally posted by tnt5862:
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Originally posted by meanasasnake:
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Originally posted by tnt5862:
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Originally posted by meanasasnake:
Oh, I don't think Oprah is the worst thing to come down the pike. She believes in personal empowerment through education, victims rights, social justice and a multitude of other things I also support. I think someone is looking for enemies, and may be influenced by Oprah's support of Obama.

Actually what Oprah was saying is quite simple. She is questioning wheather or not someone who has NEVER heard the name Jesus, yet lives a good moral life, is automatically doomed to hell. If an individual who has NEVER heard the name of Jesus to be comdemned to hell does not agree with most peoples understanding of God's love. I am sure many of you would relegate such individuals straight to hell. I am not so sure you are right. Oprah is well within her rights to question such a narrow view.

Just for the record - I don't watch her show.


Meanasa ,,people all over the world know who Oprah is . Wink
Do you really think they have never heard of Jesus Christ ?


You really should watch the Utube video. Yes, there are people on earth who do not know, or understand the concept of Christianity.


got a link for me ? Wink


http://afp.google.com/article/...0ouAeFFsVx_fMxWmCrQw

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