Is Mary The Mother Of God?

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Originally posted by vplee123:
I daresay he is not here to listen to anyone- he is here to preach.

Hi VP,

Actually, I am on the Religion Forum for two reasons: One, to refute false teachings. And, two, to share the true Gospel, the true Word of God, the Bible, with our Friends.

What I share comes from the Bible. What you share comes from the Vatican. There is a huge difference.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Atually, I don't think those particular verses could be interpreted that Mary is the mother of God, not even by Roman interpretation. Theos does not equal kurios.

Like, wasn't God existing before Mary was even born? The verses refer to the incarnation.

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:



And, after she gave birth to Jesus Christ -- she had other children: In Matthew 12:47, Mark 3:32, and Luke 8:20, we read, "Behold, your mother and your brothers are outside looking for You."

In Matthew 13:55-56 we have, "Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not His mother called Mary, and His brothers, James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? And His sisters, are they not all with us? Where then did this man get all these things?"

So, according to the Bible -- Mary gave birth to Jesus Christ just as any child in born -- and then she gave birth to other sons and daughters.


God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Bill, you need to either get off the meds, or get back on - whichever it is that gives you a semblance of clarity.

In refuting Catholic doctrine, you have made the case, with scriptures, for Mary being the mother of God; something you have previously claimed was not the case.

Just more proof that the Bible is not the literal, inerrant word of God. And that you are even more of a fraud than I realized.

Have a blissed day. Hope things clear up for you after your nap.

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:

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Originally posted by vplee123:
I daresay he is not here to listen to anyone- he is here to preach.

Hi VP,

Actually, I am on the Religion Forum for two reasons: One, to refute false teachings. And, two, to share the true Gospel, the true Word of God, the Bible, with our Friends.

What I share comes from the Bible. What you share comes from the Vatican. There is a huge difference.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Hello William,

Actually, The reason you have a Bible is because the Vatican took of that for all of us. Melito, Bishop of Sardis c.170 produced the first known christian attemp
at an old testament canon. The Septiuagint order of books minus the book of Esther.

Council of Laodicea c.360 produced a list of books of the Bible similar to the
council of Trent. The church's earliest decision on a complete canon.

Council of Rome, c.382 Pope Damasus gave a complete list of canonial books of
the O.T. and N.T. which is identical with the list approved by thethe council of
Trent. ( 1545-1563) Final definition. 46 books of the O.T. AND 27 Books of N.T.
Deuterocanonical in their intirety and with all their parts comprise the Canon.

The first King James was printed in 1611. 39 books of the O.T. And 27 books of N.T.

Amen, Gifted.

Bill, I read your previous post, (I read all posts unlike you), you did not answer the scripture, you just pasted the same reply you always do. Jesus had a split personality and Mary only gave birth to half. You have repeated that 5 or 6 times on just this thread.

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Bill Gray:

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Originally posted by Gifted Child:
Luke 1:41-45: The Holy Ghost told Mary she is the Mother of God through Elizabeth.

Hi Child,

You are, of course, referring to Luke 1:43 "And how has it happened to me, that the mother of my Lord would come to me?

Yes, Jesus Christ is Lord, He is fully God and fully Man. Yet, when He came to earth to be our propitiation, our High Priest (Hebrews 2:17), He lay aside His divine nature and took on His Human Nature. This is why He tells us in Matthew 24:36 that even the Son does not know the day or hour - only the Father alone knows.

God cannot be born; God cannot die. Yet, Jesus Christ, in His Human Nature did both. Therefore, Mary was the mother of His Human Nature and NOT the Mother of God.

Bill Gray is using semantics. Pretty weak.

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Actually, The reason you have a Bible is because the Vatican took of that for all of us. Melito, Bishop of Sardis c.170 produced the first known christian attemp
at an old testament canon.

Amen!

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You really should read the posts -- BEFORE you respond to them.

Oh by the way, do you serve satan?

Dear Bill Gray

Chill out

It's a title. The mother of God is a title.
Because she's the mother of Jesus. It doesn't mean she gave birth to God the Father. This is one of the teachings of the catholic Church.
It is a beautiful and maternal title.

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Originally posted by Bama Bunny:
Dear Bill Gray

Chill out It's a title. The mother of God is a title. Because she's the mother of Jesus. It doesn't mean she gave birth to God the Father. This is one of the teachings of the catholic Church. It is a beautiful and maternal title.

Hi Bunny,

It goes much deeper than being a simple maternal title. In the Roman Catholic church they teach that Mary is Mother of God (which is impossible), that she is Queen of Heaven, that she is to be worshiped -- and worst of all -- that she is a co-redeemer of mankind.

Jesus Christ is the only Redeemer, Jesus Christ is the only Mediator, Mariology is a false teaching and is against Biblical Christianity.

Bunny, Mary is a blessed, holy woman -- but, that is all she is -- not the Mother of God, and most certainly NOT a co-redeemer.

That is why I refute the doctrine of Mariology.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by themax:

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You really should read the posts -- BEFORE you respond to them.

Oh by the way, do you serve satan?

Hi Max,

No, I serve fried chicken, potato salad, love fried okra, and always a pot of pinto beans. Also, I serve tostados, burritos, and love hot salsa. And, I love spaghetti!

How about you -- what do you serve? Maybe you can invite me over for dinner.

By the way, how do you serve satan? Is that with salsa or steak sauce?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

[quote]In the Roman Catholic church they teach that Mary is Mother of God (which is impossible), that she is Queen of Heaven, that she is to be worshiped -- and worst of all -- that she is a co-redeemer of mankind.[/quote

NOT TRUE! Please stop lying.
Mary is not worshipped, nor is she a co-redeemer.
STOP TELLING LIES about the Catholic Church.

Just like the Deceiver that he works for, Bill Gray enjoys lying.

What strikes me the most, is that when asked directly who we serve, I daresay the majority of Christians would declare God as King, and be steadfast in their belief that Christ is the Redeemer, that conquered death so we may have life.
Now, when BeeGee is asked whom he serves, he makes silly jokes, and never denounces Satan. I do not believe he is an active worker for the Fallen One. But by his fundamentalist views and false doctrines, he is inadvertently doing just that.
In our baptismal vows, we DENOUNCE Satan. Repeatedly. We don't joke about it, we don't make light of it.
This is what strikes me. Why does he not openly and vehemently denounce Satan? You can claim to love the Lord all day long, but if you do not denounce His enemy, just what are you doing!?!?
It's not funny or cool to toy with such matters. If someone asked me pointblank if I work for Satan, I would be shocked, of course, offended, flip out, and firmly denounce him!
I believe one should denounce Satan with as much passion as you love the Lord your God.
So in failing to directly answer these questions, BG is not setting a very good Christian example. These games are just not funny.

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Originally posted by vplee123:

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi Bunny, It goes much deeper than being a simple maternal title. In the Roman Catholic church they teach that Mary is Mother of God (which is impossible), that she is Queen of Heaven, that she is to be worshiped -- and worst of all -- that she is a co-redeemer of mankind.

NOT TRUE! Please stop lying. Mary is not worshipped, nor is she a co-redeemer. STOP TELLING LIES about the Catholic Church.

Hi VP,

You need to study your Roman Catholic books and web sites a wee bit better. I got that straight from the book "The Faith Explained" by Leo J. Trese, taken from The Confraternity of Christian Doctrine -- and with the Nihil Obstat: Louis J. Putz, University of Notre Dame -- and Imprimatur: Leo. A. Pursley, D.D., Bishop of Fort Wayne, Indiana.

On page 75, it reads: "Because it was by her own free consent that Mary chose to be mother of the Redeemer, and because it was freely (and so intimately!) that she shared in His Passion, Mary is acclaimed by the Church as the Co-Redemptress of the human race."

And, I have found this on Roman Catholic web sites also. And, if Mary is the Co-Redeemer of mankind -- is that not a form of worship?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:

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Originally posted by vplee123:

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi Bunny, It goes much deeper than being a simple maternal title. In the Roman Catholic church they teach that Mary is Mother of God (which is impossible), that she is Queen of Heaven, that she is to be worshiped -- and worst of all -- that she is a co-redeemer of mankind.

NOT TRUE! Please stop lying. Mary is not worshipped, nor is she a co-redeemer. STOP TELLING LIES about the Catholic Church.

Hi VP,

You need to study your Roman Catholic books and web sites a wee bit better. I got that straight from the book "The Faith Explained" by Leo J. Trese, taken from The Confraternity of Christian Doctrine -- and with the Nihil Obstat: Louis J. Putz, University of Notre Dame -- and Imprimatur: Leo. A. Pursley, D.D., Bishop of Fort Wayne, Indiana.

On page 75, it reads: "Because it was by her own free consent that Mary chose to be mother of the Redeemer, and because it was freely (and so intimately!) that she shared in His Passion, Mary is acclaimed by the Church as the Co-Redemptress of the human race."

And, I have found this on Roman Catholic web sites also. And, if Mary is the Co-Redeemer of mankind -- is that not a form of worship?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Bill, No it's not, Did you ask the church if she is deity? Do that while you wonder
the earth in hopes of taking down something Jesus said not even the gates of hell
can do. May Mary bless you with a brain, have a good day.

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Originally posted by Gifted Child:

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:

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Originally posted by vplee123:

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi Bunny, It goes much deeper than being a simple maternal title. In the Roman Catholic church they teach that Mary is Mother of God (which is impossible), that she is Queen of Heaven, that she is to be worshiped -- and worst of all -- that she is a co-redeemer of mankind.

NOT TRUE! Please stop lying. Mary is not worshipped, nor is she a co-redeemer. STOP TELLING LIES about the Catholic Church.

Hi VP,

You need to study your Roman Catholic books and web sites a wee bit better. I got that straight from the book "The Faith Explained" by Leo J. Trese, taken from The Confraternity of Christian Doctrine -- and with the Nihil Obstat: Louis J. Putz, University of Notre Dame -- and Imprimatur: Leo. A. Pursley, D.D., Bishop of Fort Wayne, Indiana.

On page 75, it reads: "Because it was by her own free consent that Mary chose to be mother of the Redeemer, and because it was freely (and so intimately!) that she shared in His Passion, Mary is acclaimed by the Church as the Co-Redemptress of the human race."

And, I have found this on Roman Catholic web sites also. And, if Mary is the Co-Redeemer of mankind -- is that not a form of worship?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Bill, No it's not, Did you ask the church if she is deity? Do that while you wonder
the earth in hopes of taking down something Jesus said not even the gates of hell
can do. May Mary bless you with a brain, have a good day.

Hi Child,

The last I checked, when a book has a Nihil Obstat: and the Imprimatur: -- this tells the world that this book and what has been written in it has been verified and blessed by the Roman Catholic church.

This book has both -- so, I have to believe that the Roman Catholic church does indeed believe and teach that "Mary is acclaimed by the Church as the Co-Redemptress of the human race."

Has this practice changed recently?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi Child,

The last I checked, when a book has a Nihil Obstat: and the Imprimatur: -- this tells the world that this book and what has been written in it has been verified and blessed by the Roman Catholic church.

This book has both -- so, I have to believe that the Roman Catholic church does indeed believe and teach that "Mary is acclaimed by the Church as the Co-Redemptress of the human race."

Has this practice changed recently?

Silly bill, you bounced your lies off everyone else, why not me?
The fact that a pagan deity was known as the queen of heaven doesn't mean this term
can't rightfully be applied, in another sence altogether, to Mary. The pagan king
of Babylon, Nebuchadnezzer, is called the king of kings by Daniel (Dan. 2:37 )
yet this doesn't preclude Jesus from being called by the same title -Rev.17:14; 19:16
Since the destiny of all christians is to reign as kings and queens with God in heaven
--Eph. 2:12; Rev. 1:6; 5:10. and since Mary is the preeminent christian, there's
nothing wrong with giving her the title which Christ, the King of Kings, bestowed
upon her in making Mary his mother. So there. Get over it. Drink a beer.

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Originally posted by Gifted Child:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi Child,

The last I checked, when a book has a Nihil Obstat: and the Imprimatur: -- this tells the world that this book and what has been written in it has been verified and blessed by the Roman Catholic church.

This book has both -- so, I have to believe that the Roman Catholic church does indeed believe and teach that "Mary is acclaimed by the Church as the Co-Redemptress of the human race."

Has this practice changed recently?

Silly bill, you bounced your lies off everyone else, why not me?
The fact that a pagan deity was known as the queen of heaven doesn't mean this term
can't rightfully be applied, in another sence altogether, to Mary. The pagan king
of Babylon, Nebuchadnezzer, is called the king of kings by Daniel (Dan. 2:37 )
yet this doesn't preclude Jesus from being called by the same title -Rev.17:14; 19:16
Since the destiny of all christians is to reign as kings and queens with God in heaven
--Eph. 2:12; Rev. 1:6; 5:10. and since Mary is the preeminent christian, there's
nothing wrong with giving her the title which Christ, the King of Kings, bestowed
upon her in making Mary his mother. So there. Get over it. Drink a beer.

Hi Child,

Please show us, from the Bible, where Jesus Christ declares Mary to be the Co-Redeemer.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Please show us, from the Bible, where Jesus Christ declares Mary to be the Co-Redeemer.

Actions speak louder than words.
Jesus came into this world through Mary. Mary brought to earth the Savior of the World.
"co" means "with" as I've told you over and over. With Mary, Jesus was born to save the world. It is just that simple, and just that biblical.

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Originally posted by vplee123:

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Please show us, from the Bible, where Jesus Christ declares Mary to be the Co-Redeemer.

Actions speak louder than words. Jesus came into this world through Mary. Mary brought to earth the Savior of the World. "co" means "with" as I've told you over and over. With Mary, Jesus was born to save the world. It is just that simple, and just that biblical.

Hi VP,

Sorry, but that is almost laughable. Yes, Mary was the mortal womb through which the Human Nature of Jesus Christ was born. But, how in the world do you relate that to Jesus declaring her a Co-Redeemer?

My Friend, you are reaching so far -- you may lose your arm.

VP, Mary is an ordinary mortal woman who was greatly blessed by God. She is not deity! She is not divine! She is not a Co-Redeemer! She is not the Mother of God! She is not the Queen of Heaven.

Mary is an ordinary saint in heaven waiting like billions of other saints in heaven -- for her glorified, immortal body. Nothing more, nothing less.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Laugh away, Bill.
Then explain when YOU are called to judgement why you were so adamantly opposed to calling Jesus' Mother an ordinary woman. Explain why you talked smack about His mama on the internet.
Good luck.

Bill is always 'open' to discussing scripture, as long as you agree with his interpretation or Pastor Chuck Smith, Calvary Chapel.

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No, I serve fried chicken, potato salad, love fried okra, and always a pot of pinto beans. Also, I serve tostados, burritos, and love hot salsa. And, I love spaghetti!

How about you -- what do you serve? Maybe you can invite me over for dinner.

By the way, how do you serve satan? Is that with salsa or steak sauce?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Bill, I'm so ready to let this go as I'm sure every one else is.
I understand how you could find it beneath you to answer such a dumb question.
Would it not kill you to just, for a brief,moment to lower yourself and post a one sentence reply.
Such as : No, I do not serve Satan.

If you would just do that, I think your messages here would be much more receptive in every one's eyes.

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Originally posted by b50m:
Bill is always 'open' to discussing scripture, as long as you agree with his interpretation or Pastor Chuck Smith, Calvary Chapel.

Hi B50,

While I realize that you are more comfortable quoting Shirley Maclaine or Oprah -- I will stay with Pastor Chuck Smith. He has been teaching the Bible for fifty years; and, although I have disagreed with him on a few issues -- he still gets it right most of the time. So, I am comfortable with him and other Bible sources.

But, you just keep following your Tarot Cards, Shirley, and Oprah -- for they offer you so much.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Show me where I quoted Shirley Maclaine or Oprah or Tarot Cards.

As you say Bill, SHOW ME!!!!!!

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Bill, I'm so ready to let this go as I'm sure every one else is.
I understand how you could find it beneath you to answer such a dumb question.
Would it not kill you to just, for a brief,moment to lower yourself and post a one sentence reply.
Such as : No, I do not serve Satan.

If you would just do that, I think your messages here would be much more receptive in every one's eyes.

Posts: 1520 | Location: The Mountian | Registered: 14 November 2006

I really hate having to repeat myself. But for the sake of the best thing for this forum I will.

Bill In my heart I know that you feel this is a silly and beneath you question.

However, at the same time, I have seen and read many who doubt your intent here.
So for the sake of the many followers of Christ here will you please put this silly question to rest once and for all.

Please just answer and be done with this foolishness once and for all.

please

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Originally posted by b50m:
Show me where I quoted Shirley Maclaine or Oprah or Tarot Cards. As you say Bill, SHOW ME!!!!!!

Hi B,

When you declared yourself to be a New Age/Wiccan!

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Bill, you have declared yourself an evangelical fundamentalist, therefore we can assume that you subscribe to, support, and promote, everything Jim and Tammy Bakker, Oral Roberts, Jimmy Swaggart, and Ted Haggard are in to.

Is that how it works?

You've been caught in both a lie and a defamation. You should be ashamed of yourself, but I know that you know no shame.

And you think you have a ticket to heaven? You wouldn't know how to get there if Jesus bit you on the ass.

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:

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Originally posted by vplee123:

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi Bunny, It goes much deeper than being a simple maternal title. In the Roman Catholic church they teach that Mary is Mother of God (which is impossible), that she is Queen of Heaven, that she is to be worshiped -- and worst of all -- that she is a co-redeemer of mankind.

NOT TRUE! Please stop lying. Mary is not worshipped, nor is she a co-redeemer. STOP TELLING LIES about the Catholic Church.

Hi VP,

You need to study your Roman Catholic books and web sites a wee bit better. I got that straight from the book "The Faith Explained" by Leo J. Trese, taken from The Confraternity of Christian Doctrine -- and with the Nihil Obstat: Louis J. Putz, University of Notre Dame -- and Imprimatur: Leo. A. Pursley, D.D., Bishop of Fort Wayne, Indiana.

On page 75, it reads: "Because it was by her own free consent that Mary chose to be mother of the Redeemer, and because it was freely (and so intimately!) that she shared in His Passion, Mary is acclaimed by the Church as the Co-Redemptress of the human race."

And, I have found this on Roman Catholic web sites also. And, if Mary is the Co-Redeemer of mankind -- is that not a form of worship?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

so because one guy said something, that means the whole of the catholic faith adheres to it?

you're reaching Bill.

maybe if the pope himslef said ' yes, we worship mary" you'd have something to stand on. as it is you're just waiting to fall.

you keep spreading disimformation about catholisicism, and it keeps being shot down.

let this one go, the only way to win is to lie.
youo don't wanna go there, do you?

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Originally posted by thenagel:

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by vplee123:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi Bunny, It goes much deeper than being a simple maternal title. In the Roman Catholic church they teach that Mary is Mother of God (which is impossible), that she is Queen of Heaven, that she is to be worshiped -- and worst of all -- that she is a co-redeemer of mankind.

NOT TRUE! Please stop lying. Mary is not worshipped, nor is she a co-redeemer. STOP TELLING LIES about the Catholic Church.

Hi VP,

You need to study your Roman Catholic books and web sites a wee bit better. I got that straight from the book "The Faith Explained" by Leo J. Trese, taken from The Confraternity of Christian Doctrine -- and with the Nihil Obstat: Louis J. Putz, University of Notre Dame -- and Imprimatur: Leo. A. Pursley, D.D., Bishop of Fort Wayne, Indiana.

On page 75, it reads: "Because it was by her own free consent that Mary chose to be mother of the Redeemer, and because it was freely (and so intimately!) that she shared in His Passion, Mary is acclaimed by the Church as the Co-Redemptress of the human race."

And, I have found this on Roman Catholic web sites also. And, if Mary is the Co-Redeemer of mankind -- is that not a form of worship?

No where in the universal church does it say Mary should be worshipped.
Mary wasn't conceived as you and I. I've already told you about that.
Forget about co-redeemer, That's way too far over your head.
Your self worship is bad enough, but your Bible worship interfers with your
ability to comprehend anything new, or new to you.

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:

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Originally posted by b50m:
Show me where I quoted Shirley Maclaine or Oprah or Tarot Cards. As you say Bill, SHOW ME!!!!!!

Hi B,

When you declared yourself to be a New Age/Wiccan!

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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While I realize that you are more comfortable quoting Shirley Maclaine or Oprah -- I will stay with Pastor Chuck Smith. He has been teaching the Bible for fifty years; and, although I have disagreed with him on a few issues -- he still gets it right most of the time. So, I am comfortable with him and other Bible sources.

But, you just keep following your Tarot Cards, Shirley, and Oprah -- for they offer you so much.

No Bill, you did not SHOW me anything. I have never quoted any of those. You lied Bill. Try again.