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I got in my car yesterday, and it wouldn't start up right away. It kind of sounded like it wanted to, but I had to turn the key several times before it would... this has never happened before. So, this morning it sounded like it was turning over the first time I tried to start it, but then the next several times it didn't make any sound, and I had to give it gas before it started up. I went down the street to Subway, and when I got back in my car it did the same thing. I'm not sure how old the battery is, and I know now that it can't be anti-freeze because I asked my dad, and he had to tell me 'that would have nothing to do with the motor'. Now, this is coming from a lady who used to think that blinkers needed 'blinker fluid'. So, please let me know what your opinion is on this, and what I should do about it. Also, if I have to get a new battery, is it expensive? I am in the process of moving, and I really can't afford this right now. Thank you! Big Grin
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It could be the battery. Most places will check it for free. Or it could be brass fittings in the starter. To fix that cost around 30-60 bucks and should be done in less than 1 hour. For awhile I thought it was my battery until I finally took the car in. They replaced the fittings and have not had a problem since. This was in 04 on a 99 Corolla.
Hi MPM!

(You gotta' go to the Moon Pie Festival in Bell Buckle, TN sometime!)

Here are a couple of things to consider about your issue (is my battery dead?).

Yes.

Your battery's dead.

Seriously though, here're some things to consider.

1.) After you insert the key in the ignition, and turn the key to the "start" position, do you hear a "click" type noise from under the hood?

2.) When the key is in the accessory position (typically, with American/domestic cars, it's turned toward the driver, rather than away to start) are the interior lights, radio or other power accessories fully functional, or are they slow and dim?

3.) What age is the battery?

4.) Is it a sealed (no place to add water) or non-sealed battery (removable caps to add water)?

5.) If it is a non-sealed type battery, use a screw driver to pry the cap off and examine the water level of each cell. (But don't use a flame or cagarette lighter, instead, use a flashlight. Automobile batteries emit hydrogen gas, which is explosive.) If the water level is low (not to the top), add some tap water.

6.) Check the positive terminal (typically RED in color and marked with a " + "sign). Is it corroded (caked over with green or white chalky-like stuff)? If it is, use a mixture of baking soda & dishwashing soap in water with a brush (like a dishwashing brush - but don't use it on dishes anymore) to clean it off. You may want to wear eye protection, gloves, and keep it off your clothes. It'll eat holes in 'em. Oh... and make CERTAIN the caps are fully closed before hand. If the baking soda gets in the cells, it will neutralize the battery acid necessary for creating power, and you'll have to get a new battery.

7.) Are both terminals secure? Are they tightened fully? If not, use a proper sized wrench to tighten them. Improperly secured terminals can cause problems delivering power adequate to turn the starter.

8.) Having done the previous steps, consider going to Interstate Battery. (In my experience, they are a superior quality firm, with equally superior batteries. Hint: it's okay to purchase a bettery that's a "blem" {blemished} because it's a cosmetic scratch, a superficial look, with NO DEFECTS in performance. Also, consider purchasing a battery that's been already installed once in a vehicle, then removed. Since they can't be sold as "new," they are discounted perhaps as much as 25%! And then, get as many CCA [Cold Cranking Amps] as you can. It's a TRUE test of power - how many amps at 0˚F.) The folks at Interstate Battery will be glad to load test (hook it up to a machine to simulate extreme conditions) your battery to determine in what condition is it, and can assist you further in your decision making.
Since you never stated that you had to have a boost from another battery to get started I would guess that your battery is not deffective but some other component of the starting system might be. Possible culprits are the ignition switch, starter solenoid, starter or associated wiring. Some vehicles also have safety switches on the brake pedal, the transmission or both. Your statement that "it sounded like it was turning over the first time I tried to start it, but then the next several times it didn't make any sound, and I had to give it gas before it started up" sounds to me as though you may have a loose connection in the pedal area and that when you pushed the gas pedal you inadvertently jiggled this connection and completed the circuit. Your giving the car gas, depressing the gas pedal, should not have any effect on the starter but you stated that there was no sound until you did. That is why I would suspect a loose connection. As other posters have stated a load test of your battery will quickly give you an answer as to whether the battery is bad.
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Originally posted by unclegus:
You may very well have a bad post bearing.


What is a post bearing? Is that another word for pilot bearing? I tried looking it up with no success. Just wondering. I know the old-timers around here use some great terms that are not used anywhere else that I have traveled.
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Hello again, MPM!

Did you enjoy some Moon Pies & RC Cola during your Thanksgiving feasting?

Earlier you wrote, "The man there said it sounds to him like my starter could be going bad."

Though I'm no expert, I have tinkered around (that's putting it mildly) with automobiles. Here's a possible explanation of what's going on IF it is the starter which is causing the problems you earlier described.

Simply put, the starter is a motor.

It gets its power from the battery.

The ignition switch delivers power from the battery to the starter.

On the starter, there is a thing-a-ma-bob called a solenoid (say "so - luh - noid").

The solenoid, using magnetism inherent in electrical current, causes another little thingy to "jump out" to engage the flywheel of the motor.

(More about the flywheel later.)

If, in the wiring of the connections of the solenoid, something breaks or burns up, then... it's time for another starter!

Alternately, the brushes on starters can be bad.

Brushes?

I only thought that brushes were for long hair!

Yes, Virginia... there are brushes on motors.

Again, simply put, brushes are "conductor(s) used to make electrical contact between a stationary and a moving surface."

If you recall 5th grade science, motors are, in a very simple way, coils of wire wrapped around a spindle which spins inside a permanent magnet which produces much more electricity. The mechanical energy they give off is increased by using wiring.

The mechanical energy that the starter gives off (when the little thingy jumps out) causes your car's engine's flywheel to turn, which in turn, rotates the cam shaft, which cause the pistons to move up&down, and then... well, you get the picture.

Anyway, the long and short of it is this: If the brushes on the starter are worn down, they need to be replaced.

How to do that?

Use a local starter rebuilder. They're often found with the same folks that sell... ta da! Batteries!

Hint: Starters can (and in my opinion, should) be rebuilt by reputable local craftsmen.

Sometimes, the rebuilders can and will remove the starter from your vehicle. However, be aware that the cost of their labor to do that (and re-install it) will be added to the bill.

A word to the wise: "The laborer is worthy of his hire." (1 Tim 5:18)

Personal note of caution: I stopped buying auto parts from AutoZone MANY years ago (at least 10), because of their inferior quality. What good's a "lifetime warranty" if you're constantly having to replace the dog-gone thing every six weeks or two months?

Remember... the bitter taste of inferior quality remains long after the sweet taste of low price is gone.

Quality is ALWAYS the best buy.

Asking what discounts are available, and what products have the same quality with a lower price will often get positive results you never considered!

Finally, remember that no matter what good anyone says about positive experiences they've had, there will ALWAYS be someone who will say the opposite. We live in a fallen world, and people are NOT perfect, neither are their circumstances, nor is anything here in this fleeting life perfect.

The common bond? Look where faith lives.

Because, where you find faith, you'll most likely find love, and where there is love, there is hope, and where there is hope, there is forgiveness, and where there is forgiveness, there is grace, and where there is grace, there is mercy, and where there is mercy, there is truth.

Now... THAT's a place where everyone wants to live, eh?

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