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OK, I admit I'm posting this for sheer nuisance value. Barack Obama refuses to release his birth certificate. Could this be the reason?


Barack Obama is not legally a U.S. Natural-born citizen according to the law on the books at the time of his birth, which falls between “December 24, 1952 to November 13, 1986? . Presidential office requires a natural-born citizen if the child was not born to two U.S. Citizen parents, which of course is what exempts John McCain though he was born in the Panama Canal. US Law very clearly stipulates: “…If only one parent was a U.S. Citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16.” Barack Obama’s father was not a U.S. Citizen and Obama’s mother was only 18 when Obama was born, which means though she had been a U.S. Citizen for 10 years, (or citizen perhaps because of Hawai’i being a territory) the mother fails the test for being so for at least 5 years **prior to** Barack Obama’s birth, but *after* age 16. It doesn’t matter *after* . In essence, she was not old enough to qualify her son for automatic U.S. Citizenship. At most, there were only 2 years elapsed since his mother turned 16 at the time of Barack Obama’s birth when she was 18 in Hawai’i. His mother would have needed to have been 16+5= 21 years old, at the time of Barack Obama’s birth for him to have been a natural-born citizen. As aformentioned, she was a young college student at the time and was not. Barack Obama was already 3 years old at that time his mother would have needed to have waited to have him as the only U.S. Cizen parent. Obama instead should have been naturalized, but even then, that would still disqualify him from holding the office.

*** Naturalized citizens are ineligible to hold the office of President. *** Though Barack Obama was sent back to Hawaii at age 10, all the other info does not matter because his mother is the one who needed to have been a U.S. Citzen for 10 years prior to his birth on August 4, 1961, with 5 of those years being after age 16. Further, Obama may have had to have remained in the country for some time to protect any citizenship he would have had, rather than living in Indonesia. Now you can see why Obama’s aides stopped his speech about how we technically have more than 50 states, because it would have led to this discovery. This is very clear cut and a blaring violation of U.S. Election law. I think the Gov. Of California would be very insterested in knowing this if Obama were elected President without being a natural-born U.S. Citizen, and it would set precedence. Stay tuned to your TV sets because I suspect some of this information will be leaking through over the next several days…

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/06/10/the-buzz-about-baracks-birth-certificate/
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Howard, while I gave a humorous answer to your question, I thought seriously about it. My guess is that Obama is illegitimate--something that would show on a birth certificate from a Catholic hospital of that era (and perhaps any).

This article claims that the elder Obama had a wife in Kenya whom he didn't bother to divorce. If that is true, then the younger Obama is that certain word in more than one way.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-431908/A-drunk-...NT-said-father-.html
No. And the Pope is not Catholic and God didn't make little green apples and poo-poo does not smell bad!

THAT is the short answer for smart alecs. Here is the short answer for those who want to know:

Obama's mother was American, and he was born in Hawaii. This makes him a "natural born citizen" of the U.S. He also meets the other requirements; over the age of 35 and has been a resident of the United States for at least 14 years.

So there! And now you can move on to meaningful things!
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(Cue the sarcasm)

I would imagine that a President or Presidential nominee would never have to pass any sort of screening/background check through the Secret Service when running for President. They would never have to meet any criteria--just in case they were to, oh I don't know, Be Elected!!

Considering they would be the leader of the free world....

I doubt there is any sort of application process for running for President. It takes 7 years to become a U.S. citizen, but to lead the country--you just proclaim you are running. No check points at all.

I guess this doesn't help HR much in his assumptions...


Seriously! Do you all follow your pastors and teachers this blindly?

It's possible that Obama is keeping his birth certificate away from the media for many reasons(namely stupid gossip such as this forum). Kind of like Cindy McCain won't release her tax info.... (One page doesn't cut it, honey.)
In a recent issue of Time Magazine, the following appears:

"On Feb. 2, 1961, several months after they met, Obama's parents got married in Maui, according to divorce records. It was a Thursday. At that point, Ann was three months pregnant with Barack Obama II."

So, there--there is no big secret being protected regarding Obama's being conceived by his mother before she and Obama, Sr. were married. Now go find some other conspiracy!

Here's a link to the whole story. Those given to barfing out tons of inaccuracies and irrelevancies about Obama would do well to read this well-researched piece.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1729524,00.html
For all you pap smearers, Obama has released his birth certificate.

http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/birthcert

**I found that right clicking, copy & pasting into word, and then enlarging the image that way made the image 100% clearer. Obviously the Certificate # is blacked out for identity security.**

Please shut up now and worry about issues that face American families and soldiers.
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Originally posted by Howard Roark:
bertenu,

Obviously, you didn't read all the posting. You're quoting the law as it reads now, not when Obama was born. The new citizenship laws aren't retroactive. Personally, I, like Firenze, suspect he hasn't released it because of the illegitimacy factor.


Obviously, you didn't research enough to know he was born in Hawaii-which is a part of the United States.
Si, Se, why am I thinking forged document?

I certainly believe Obama is a citizen, but after seeing that "birth certificate" I'm thinking illegitimate even more. Documents of that era would have listed hospital, birth weight, attending physician, parents' occupation, and name of informant. Of course, "Father's Race: African" also smells fishy. In that era, he would have been identified as Negro. Wonder if Hillary could have him arrested for possession of a forged document?
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Originally posted by Si, se puede!:
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Originally posted by Howard Roark:
bertenu,

Obviously, you didn't read all the posting. You're quoting the law as it reads now, not when Obama was born. The new citizenship laws aren't retroactive. Personally, I, like Firenze, suspect he hasn't released it because of the illegitimacy factor.


Obviously, you didn't research enough to know he was born in Hawaii-which is a part of the United States.


The McCain supporters don't want to talk about the economy, or the occupation of Iraq. They don't want to talk about the issues that affect the American people.
The only thing left to do is to use the tried and true rhetoric of lies, and attempting to plant doubt in the minds of the less educated , or simple minded people , who either can't , or won't seak the truth. Prepare for more slander to come.
I'm glad Obama has that web site, he knows how the Republican lie machine works.
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Originally posted by FirenzeVeritas:
Si, Se, why am I thinking forged document?

I certainly believe Obama is a citizen, but after seeing that "birth certificate" I'm thinking illegitimate even more. Documents of that era would have listed hospital, birth weight, attending physician, parents' occupation, and name of informant. Of course, "Father's Race: African" also smells fishy. In that era, he would have been identified as Negro. Wonder if Hillary could have him arrested for possession of a forged document?


I think you are on to something........ too bad we have had to come this far for all these things to start re-surfacing...... they surfaced when he ran for Jr. Senate,,,, but no one really paid much attention..... I agree with you.....
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Originally posted by FirenzeVeritas:
Si, Se, why am I thinking forged document?

I certainly believe Obama is a citizen, but after seeing that "birth certificate" I'm thinking illegitimate even more. Documents of that era would have listed hospital, birth weight, attending physician, parents' occupation, and name of informant. Of course, "Father's Race: African" also smells fishy. In that era, he would have been identified as Negro. Wonder if Hillary could have him arrested for possession of a forged document?


Forged? Because he was born in what was then a very poor country that did not keep absurdly detailed records, you assume his birth certificate is a forgery? Chances are the state of Hawai'i had a hard time even getting that much info when converting the birth certificates of their new citizens. African is the accurate term for his father, he was not Hawai'ian. Negro, was actually a derogatory term and a civilized country would not have used it. He was AFRICAN!

And before ANYONE gets arested for forged docuements, the BUSH brats need to be arrested for their fake id's, which WERE forged government documents!
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Negro, was actually a derogatory term and a civilized country would not have used it. He was AFRICAN!

South Africa is majority caucasian.So by your words a causacian South African family moves to Hi. birth their children there and they gonna be listed as African on their birth cert.?
The term Negro was indeed used in terms of RACE during those years,look it up.
That is not a 'certificate of live birth', it is a Certification of Hawaiian birth.

2. Certificate of Hawaiian Birth - These forms were issued to people who did not have a

birth certificate recorded at the time of their birth. In order to get a Certificate of

Hawaiian Birth a person had to take witnesses that could testify to the circumstances of

their birth. Those testifying were usually family members or family friends. These

records include information such as:

a. Name of parents

b. Race of parents

c. Death dates of parent

d. Names of brothers and sisters.

e. Remarriages of parents

f. Hanai family members.

g. A photo of the applicant (this photo can be ordered)



Be sure to order the testimony when requesting the certificate. The testimony gives much

of the family history. Try to locate as many DBR on the family as possible. These

records are found at the Hawaii State Department of Health for $10.00 per order. An

index to these records can be found at the LDS (Mormon) Family History Centers. Some

Family History Centers have these Certificates with testimony on microfilm for those that

were born prior to 1903 only.

He may have ordered it from here
https://www.vitalcheck.com/agency_locator.aspx?provider...1939&eventtype=birth
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Originally posted by smurph:
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Negro, was actually a derogatory term and a civilized country would not have used it. He was AFRICAN!

South Africa is majority caucasian.So by your words a causacian South African family moves to Hi. birth their children there and they gonna be listed as African on their birth cert.?
The term Negro was indeed used in terms of RACE during those years,look it up.


Just for the sake of the term, what does the word negro mean in the Spanish language ? Anybody know ?
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Originally posted by Howard Roark:
The majority of South Africans are not caucasian. Negro in Spanish means black. Negro was used for many years on most government forms to denote race.

Yes, exactly, and is no more derogatory a term than to say black.

Due to the early trade with the Spanish, the term probably came into our language through the business dealings with the Spanish.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp


This gives the name of the hospital IN HAWAII that he was born at. Please call them and find out and get some sleep at night people.

Bunch of conspiracy theorists....

At best he is cultured and was introduced to a variety of religions (hmmm...kind of like those morons Thomas Jefferson or Ben Franklin...), at worst he is a Christian, devoting 20 years to Jesus and starting a family within the religion. The church is questionable. But it is just that--a church. God is supposed to know a man's heart.

From what I have witnessed and concluded from this forum though, you can purchase salvation at the altar as long as a Republican completes the transaction--bobblehead "W" is a bonus.

Does McCain even go to church?

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