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Hi to all my Forum Friends,

Today, on Facebook, my Christian Friend, Jonathan, asked the question, "Gay marriage, is it a civil right? Or is it impeding upon religious beliefs?"

And, my response to him is:

The whole issue of Gay Rights and Same-Sex Marriage is that homosexuals, lesbians, and transgenders want the same rights as heterosexuals. They already have that. As a heterosexual male, by law I cannot marry another male -- but, I can marry any female I desire. My wife is a heterosexual female; but, by law she could not have married another female.

Why? This is the law of our nation and the law of our God. Male shall marry female; female shall marry male. That is the law for all people regardless of their sexual preferences. So, we all ARE living under the same laws. And, we all have the same rights; no civil rights violation here.

However, what the Gay Rights advocates want is to have "special laws" written just for them. If we as a nation do this -- why should the pedophile, the bestialist, and the bigamists not have their own "special laws" also? After all, they, too, are minorities. So, is telling a pedophile that he/she cannot marry a child -- or telling a bestialist he/she cannot marry his/her pet animal -- or telling a man or woman that they cannot have multiple spouses -- a civil rights violation?

Shouldn't these minorities have the right to follow their sexual preferences? After all, if we write "special laws" to allow two people of the same gender, i.e., same sex to marry -- should we punish the pedophile, the bestialist, the bigamist by not allowing them to marry according to their own personal sexual desires? Isn't that their civil right, also?

This may sound gross to most people; but, in the world of people who practice these aberrations, they feel it is as normal as same-sex marriage or heterosexual marriage. Where do we draw the line?

God already has done this and He gave us a clear definition of marriage when He performed the very first marriage uniting Adam and Eve. "And, the Lord God fashioned into a woman the rib which He had taken from the man, AND brought her to the man. . . For this cause a man shall leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave to his wife; and they shall become one flesh" (Genesis 2:22-25). "And God blessed them, and said to them, 'Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth. . ." (Genesis 1:28).

What does it mean when the Bible tells us "and they shall become one flesh"? Most people relate this to the union of the man and the woman. Personally, the way I read this is that "they shall produce one flesh -- a child" -- the one flesh which is a product of their sexual union. No same-sex marriage or sexual union can do this.

This was the very first marriage, officiated by God Himself -- and this set the standard for marriage. There is no other standard; regardless of how society may want to set its norms above those of God.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Like it or not, the founders of our nation were, by and large, followers of the Christion faith. The Idea of homosex were so removed from their way of thinking it never even came up as a topic worth responding to.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that it was so 'taboo' it was not even a thought to be delt with. It was then, and is now, a perverse way of life. Not worthy to be mentioned in our quest for freedom from the Throne of England.
Perhaps I should just put it this way and be done with it.
Our Lord put, on this earth, man and woman. They were to be multiply this earth.
The way I see it is that anything other than a man and a women being together is an abomination to God.

So just count me in as one who sees man with man, and woman with women as a sin in the eyes of our Lord.

Just bank on it, and my belief on this matter will never change. Homosexuality is wrong in my eyes. And that is one subject that I will not debate on. End of discussion.
themax,

I am not asking you to like homosexuality or to condone same sex marriage. I am just saying that they have the same rights you do.

When someone tells me that they believe something to be a sin I have no problem with that. What they can't do is make it a illegal for everyone else. In other words stay straight and you will be fine. Smiler Surly your god will not judge you by others actions.
Max, the Lord has told us that it is a sin not to honor our fathers and mothers too, but we don't make a law about it. You are free to disrespect them all you want, and you won't be arrested. And I for one, will not judge you for it. It is up to God to judge you.

I feel the same way about gays. The Bible says it is wrong, but I also know that people are BORN that way. They have just as much trouble denying their sexuality as teenagers do. When you see a pregnant 15 year old, do you think she should be arrested? Of course not. Both the teenagers and the homosexuals may have sinned, but I will certainly not be the one to cast the first stone.
Many people want it both ways but only when it suites their way and their opinions. What I mean by that is they want to separate anything related to Church from the Government whether it be a plaque, of the 10 Commandments, on a wall of a court house or a Christmas display. Come to Marriage though and they want the government to be able to tell the Church what it must accept and approve of.

Marriage is defined in the Scriptures as between a man and woman and the Bible is also well clear on how it views love and sex between same sex partners. That said I truly believe that the Government should never be in a position to dictate to a pastor or Church who they must marry as that is up to the respective Church. There are some radical, liberal, Churches that have no problem Marrying same sex partners and that's up to the Church.

I have my own opinions but that's me. I do though feel that in a free society, as America is, where the Government is separate from the Church then Civil Unions should be allowed if the majority of the people vote to approve of such. For a judge though to set aside a legitimate election, as was done in California, is wrong. If a government does allow same sex unions then that is what they should be ... NOT Marriages as marriage is a religious institution as well as one recognized by the government. If people want same rights, which should be allowed by law, then it should be done in terms not addressed and reserved to the Bible and religion as marriage is.

I doubt I have worded that right but while I'm against it personally if the majority of people in a free society vote to allow same rights and civil unions then so be it by government. Don't call it marriage though and do not force churches and preachers to perform it unless their Church approves of it or they have no problems with it.

Ours (Christians), according to Scripture, is not to dictate God's laws or Judgment to others and force our way upon others but ours is to watch over our own house and as parishioners of our own Church keep our own Church according to how we view and interpret God's laws to be.

That said as free citizens ours is also the obligation to vote according to our own convictions and the result of a fair and honest, free, election should be honored in a free democratic society. I don't like our current leaders but they were elected and therefore are our legitimate accepted government so I will respect them for that reason. I feel the same applies to same sex unions.
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Ours (Christians), according to Scripture, is not to dictate God's laws or Judgment to others and force our way upon others but ours is to watch over our own house and as parishioners of our own Church keep our own Church according to how we view and interpret God's laws to be.


Can I get a big blue glittery AMEN!
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Originally posted by Jankinonya:
Yes, just like its your right to worship a god and go to church. Just like it is your right to marry, it is their right too.

Hi Jan,

Yes, they have the same rights you and I. They have the right to marry and to even have children -- the same as you and I.

Today, we all can marry. But, we cannot marry children, we cannot marry our pet sheep, we cannot marry five spouses -- and we cannot marry a person of the same sex. We all have that same right under the law.

So, what's the problem?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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