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Originally Posted by Kenny Powers:
Originally Posted by Crash.Override:
Originally Posted by Kenny Powers:

It is up to a business to decide how much they pay their CEO and not the govt. 

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how exactly did we get "unions"?

Are you also upset that Matt Damon makes $15m per movie when other people on the set just make a couple of thousand?

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apples to oranges, my friend. how many people go buy a product because of the ceo?

Originally Posted by Crash.Override:
Originally Posted by Kenny Powers:
Originally Posted by Crash.Override:
Originally Posted by Kenny Powers:

It is up to a business to decide how much they pay their CEO and not the govt. 

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how exactly did we get "unions"?

Are you also upset that Matt Damon makes $15m per movie when other people on the set just make a couple of thousand?

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apples to oranges, my friend. how many people go buy a product because of the ceo?

You're kidding right? It's not apples and oranges. Matt Damon gets paid alot of money because there are very few people that can do what he does. CEOs paid a lot of money because there are very few people that can do what they do. The CEO determines the direction of the company.. Do you think Steve jobs had anything to do with people buying apple products?

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please , look up the meaning of the word GREEDOriginally Posted by seeweed:
Originally Posted by Kenny Powers:
Originally Posted by seeweed:
Originally Posted by mad American:

Never tried gin and tonic.  I do like beer, just not in my boat unless there is a sober scantily clad lady to drive for me.  I cannot support a president who believes " we need to spread the wealth".

Ride safe and keep the shiny side up.  It hurts to dismount over the windshield at highway speeds.

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I agree, and that is why I did not vote for the person who's stated policy would be to take from those of us who are middle class , and give that money to the top 2% of the wealthy in this country. 

His VP candidate is still trying to do just that. 

Now, I'm sure during the past few months you heard a lot obout income distribution in this country, but do you really , truly , understand just what this is about ?

Take a look at this video and get an idea , because , well, it probably aint what you think it is :

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8I1dheHQ9s

 

Now, I will tell you right up front, that I do not think it is right, for Ryan, and the Republicans to try to pass a budget (which house republicans passed, Senate would not take it up) , which reduces the savings I put money into all my life since I was 14, just so they can give it to the richest 1 or 2% of the people in this country, and that is exactly what they are fighting to do. 

That, my friend, is wealth redistrubiton that is really going on, and that is why I support a President and a party that does not want that to happen. 

That video assumes that the "wealth pie" is static and there are only so many slices to go around which is simply not the case. It also offers no solution besides parroting the lie of the left which is, "you are poor because someone else is rich". 

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I tend to think that "you are poor because someone else is greedy"

This country has been here before, in the 20s . It was called the "Gilded Age", and the distribution of wealth in the country was just about where it is right now. Things have a way of sorting themselves out, back then it was the Great Depression, we may still have one to come dependingn which bunch controls our government inthe near future.

How does someone being greedy make someone else poor? 

Originally Posted by hammaknocka:
please , look up the meaning of the word GREEDOriginally Posted by seeweed:
Originally Posted by Kenny Powers:
Originally Posted by seeweed:
Originally Posted by mad American:

Never tried gin and tonic.  I do like beer, just not in my boat unless there is a sober scantily clad lady to drive for me.  I cannot support a president who believes " we need to spread the wealth".

Ride safe and keep the shiny side up.  It hurts to dismount over the windshield at highway speeds.

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I agree, and that is why I did not vote for the person who's stated policy would be to take from those of us who are middle class , and give that money to the top 2% of the wealthy in this country. 

His VP candidate is still trying to do just that. 

Now, I'm sure during the past few months you heard a lot obout income distribution in this country, but do you really , truly , understand just what this is about ?

Take a look at this video and get an idea , because , well, it probably aint what you think it is :

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8I1dheHQ9s

 

Now, I will tell you right up front, that I do not think it is right, for Ryan, and the Republicans to try to pass a budget (which house republicans passed, Senate would not take it up) , which reduces the savings I put money into all my life since I was 14, just so they can give it to the richest 1 or 2% of the people in this country, and that is exactly what they are fighting to do. 

That, my friend, is wealth redistrubiton that is really going on, and that is why I support a President and a party that does not want that to happen. 

That video assumes that the "wealth pie" is static and there are only so many slices to go around which is simply not the case. It also offers no solution besides parroting the lie of the left which is, "you are poor because someone else is rich". 

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I tend to think that "you are poor because someone else is greedy"

This country has been here before, in the 20s . It was called the "Gilded Age", and the distribution of wealth in the country was just about where it is right now. Things have a way of sorting themselves out, back then it was the Great Depression, we may still have one to come dependingn which bunch controls our government inthe near future.

How does someone being greedy make someone else poor? 

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From yesterday:

 

 

How does someone being greedy make someone else poor? 

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How does being rich make someone else poor ?

Neither are accurate, but both do contain some truth.

So now you say "neither are accurate" after you just said that someone being greedy equals someone being poor?

 

should govt regulate greed? If they regulate greed should they also take on the other deadly sins as well?

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I actually edited that statement, but for some reason it didn't make it into the post.

Let's take and example of how greed of the super wealthy can make someone poor: I'll give two examples:

A greedy rich person can buy a politician - many are for sale.

Then they can get that bought and paid for politician to skew a budget such as the one Paul Ryan has put forth and the House passed - Senate would have nothing to do with it tho.

A thing in Ryan's budget is to end Medicare (a most helpful insurance plan especially for the old and less well off) , an insurance plan that they paid for most of their working lives, and still pay for , and just give a voucher for $650 to a person on Medicare and just let them find whatever insurance plan they could find, and pay the difference themselves. Now, Ryan's plan is to do that , NOT in order to reduce the defecit, or even to pay down the debt, but to give more tax breaks to the super rich that that video clip talked about. According to Money.com today, that would ammount to a $200,000 savings for those people. That my friend, is shifting the cost of government from the richest to the old, retired, and poor in this country . This is wealth redistribution from poor to rich, and it is a result of greed.

 

A second example.

Two brothers, last year made $4B each in their oil business. Yes, the Koch Brothers, the sons of the man who started the John Birch Society. They are purchasing their politicians with orders to eleminate the EPA so they can pollute more and save money from having to produce their product in a safe manner.

Now, I hope you would agree that if pollution from dirty energy sources is killing people, that it is a tragedy, even tho it is not your own child, or may be even a Black child, but that making people sick is wrong when something could be done to prevent it, but isn't so that people who are making $4B a year can make some more. 

That's greed, and I also hope, you can agree that making people sick is making people poorer , rich and poor are not ALWAYS decided by money.

 

Originally Posted by seeweed:
Originally Posted by DukeA#1:

Didn't the jobs bill you mentioned actually get signed into law?

http://money.cnn.com/2010/03/1...my/Senate_jobs_vote/

 

How'd that work out?

 

No, what you are referring to was the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, and it seems to have worked out quite well, as the following graph shows :

 

As of last month our economy is now creating 193,000 jobs a month, not loosing 850,000 as was the case under the Bush reign of ruin.

 

I am referring to the American Jobs Act that President Obama sent to Congress in 2011, and they Senate Republicans refused to even let it be discussed on the Senate floor, Not to mention Boner won't have anything to do with it. All that resistance just so they could try to make the Obama admin a failure, so if you are out of work, or know somebody that is, , as I remember it , the American Jobs Act would have produced 18,000 more jobs in Alabama alone.

The President has tried, Republicans are intent on the failure of the American way of life, just to spite him.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-50...20103581-503544.html

 

Here's a little "chaser" for that Kool-Aide your drinking. The reason this country is adding jobs is because companies are cutting their employees back to 28 hours a week to avoid paying insurance on them. Therefore they are hiring more part time workers to fill the void. Does this make any sense to you Seaweed?

Originally Posted by Kenny Powers:
Originally Posted by Crash.Override:
Originally Posted by Kenny Powers:
Originally Posted by Crash.Override:
Originally Posted by Kenny Powers:

It is up to a business to decide how much they pay their CEO and not the govt. 

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how exactly did we get "unions"?

Are you also upset that Matt Damon makes $15m per movie when other people on the set just make a couple of thousand?

______________________________

 

apples to oranges, my friend. how many people go buy a product because of the ceo?

You're kidding right? It's not apples and oranges. Matt Damon gets paid alot of money because there are very few people that can do what he does. CEOs paid a lot of money because there are very few people that can do what they do. The CEO determines the direction of the company.. Do you think Steve jobs had anything to do with people buying apple products?

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ummm... you do know there are literally hundreds of actors/actresses that make huge money for films.. because people will go see a film because they're in it.

do people buy apple products because of steve jobs? a few maybe, but in the 90s, apple was a broken company. they were putting out an inferior product. when apple started making a superior product, they climbed back to the top. steve jobs was CEO the ENTIRE time. i'm not saying the CEO isn't responsible for the entire company , but do you really think he should make, in two weeks, what it takes the AVERAGE EMPLOYEE a YEAR to make?  doesn't that seem kinda crazy to you? after all, who's actually making the company's money, the ceo or the average employee?

Originally Posted by Crash.Override:
Originally Posted by Kenny Powers:
Originally Posted by Crash.Override:
Originally Posted by Kenny Powers:
Originally Posted by Crash.Override:
Originally Posted by Kenny Powers:

It is up to a business to decide how much they pay their CEO and not the govt. 

_________________________

how exactly did we get "unions"?

Are you also upset that Matt Damon makes $15m per movie when other people on the set just make a couple of thousand?

______________________________

 

apples to oranges, my friend. how many people go buy a product because of the ceo?

You're kidding right? It's not apples and oranges. Matt Damon gets paid alot of money because there are very few people that can do what he does. CEOs paid a lot of money because there are very few people that can do what they do. The CEO determines the direction of the company.. Do you think Steve jobs had anything to do with people buying apple products?

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ummm... you do know there are literally hundreds of actors/actresses that make huge money for films.. because people will go see a film because they're in it.

do people buy apple products because of steve jobs? a few maybe, but in the 90s, apple was a broken company. they were putting out an inferior product. when apple started making a superior product, they climbed back to the top. steve jobs was CEO the ENTIRE time. i'm not saying the CEO isn't responsible for the entire company , but do you really think he should make, in two weeks, what it takes the AVERAGE EMPLOYEE a YEAR to make?  doesn't that seem kinda crazy to you? after all, who's actually making the company's money, the ceo or the average employee?

First of all Steve jobs wasn't the CEO the entire time. He left apple in the mid 80's and came back in the mid 90's.

 

Also, people did buy apple products because of Steve jobs. Do you know why? Because the products were his and his team's ideas.

 

I will answer the rest of your questions below:

 

but do you really think he should make, in two weeks, what it takes the AVERAGE EMPLOYEE a YEAR to make? If that is what the board of directors and shareholders think he is worth then yes. if they dont think he is worth that much then no. The pool of people that can be CEO is very small. Hence, they are paid more. The pool of people who can work a call center or screw in a bolt is very large. Hence, they make less. 

 

doesn't that seem kinda crazy to you? It is no more crazy than Matt Damon making 200-300 times what the cameraman makes. A good CEO and upper management team determine the course of the company. Without good upper management nothing else matters. They determine what products to develop and where to allocate resources.

 

After all, who's actually making the company's money, the ceo or the average employee? please see my response to your previous question. You asking that question is like saying the cameraman is the money maker instead of the movie star. 

hammaknocka, if you voted for obuma you did vote for the destruction of the middle class.

 

What obuma and other socialist democrats don't tell is that the taxes on profit of YOUR investments and savings will go up right along with the taxes on the so called top two percent.  They have you excited about sticking it to "the man" when it is the folks that work and save that are getting stuck. 

Originally Posted by mad American:

hammaknocka, if you voted for obuma you did vote for the destruction of the middle class.

 

What obuma and other socialist democrats don't tell is that the taxes on profit of YOUR investments and savings will go up right along with the taxes on the so called top two percent.  They have you excited about sticking it to "the man" when it is the folks that work and save that are getting stuck. 

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All true if you make over $400,000 a year.

Originally Posted by Crash.Override:

Is your solution to force business owners to overpay for labor? My suggestion to you would be to "pay your fair share" and the next time you have a painter, plumber, contractor, etc.. at your house then simply cut them a check for 20% more then they are asking. After all, you do think business owners should over pay for labor right? 

Originally Posted by Crash.Override:

where does it say "i want to over pay for labor"?

are you so slow, you can't understand simple math.. oh, i forgot, you're a republican. of course you can't do simple math. you still think you're NOT part of the "47%" romney was talking about!

First of all, I'm not a republican. If you're not saying that businesses should overpay for labor then what is the point of your little picture? A business that is profitable passes those profits on to the owners. Have you ever owned a business or set foot in a college economics classroom?

Originally Posted by Kenny Powers:
Originally Posted by Crash.Override:

where does it say "i want to over pay for labor"?

are you so slow, you can't understand simple math.. oh, i forgot, you're a republican. of course you can't do simple math. you still think you're NOT part of the "47%" romney was talking about!

First of all, I'm not a republican. If you're not saying that businesses should overpay for labor then what is the point of your little picture? A business that is profitable passes those profits on to the owners. Have you ever owned a business or set foot in a college economics classroom?

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well, the point of my my "little picture" is to show the inequality in pay over the past 20 years. corporate profits are at an all time high. corporate tax breaks are at an all time high. company "big wigs" are making 200+ % more than 20 years ago. the average worker's pay hasn't kept up with even the cost of living increases. and you're equating that with "he wants to over pay for labor". what part of this makes any sense to you?

BTW, i have 4 college degrees and i've run my own business for just over 20 years!

Originally Posted by Jobe:
 
 
Originally Posted by Crash.Override: 

 

BTW, i have 4 college degrees and i've run my own business for just over 20 years!

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I call total BS on that one.

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if you live in the shoals area, you most likely have one of my products in your home! i'd say about 75% of the people in the area do! ask around. LOTS of people on this forum know me , in real life. you'll find the truth. it's gonna be a hard pill for you to swallow!

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Originally Posted by Crash.Override:
Originally Posted by Jobe:
 
 
Originally Posted by Crash.Override: 

 

BTW, i have 4 college degrees and i've run my own business for just over 20 years!

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I call total BS on that one.

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if you live in the shoals area, you most likely have one of my products in your home! i'd say about 75% of the people in the area do! ask around. LOTS of people on this forum know me , in real life. you'll find the truth. it's gonna be a hard pill for you to swallow!

Curious...

What are your degrees in?  How many employees do you have?  Have you been hit by new regulations?  Are you planning to pay your employees $20 an hour? Are you going to provide health care to your employees? What is your profit margin?  Are you willing to drop that margin to make up for pay raises?

Originally Posted by Crash.Override:
Originally Posted by Kenny Powers:
Originally Posted by Crash.Override:

where does it say "i want to over pay for labor"?

are you so slow, you can't understand simple math.. oh, i forgot, you're a republican. of course you can't do simple math. you still think you're NOT part of the "47%" romney was talking about!

First of all, I'm not a republican. If you're not saying that businesses should overpay for labor then what is the point of your little picture? A business that is profitable passes those profits on to the owners. Have you ever owned a business or set foot in a college economics classroom?

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well, the point of my my "little picture" is to show the inequality in pay over the past 20 years. corporate profits are at an all time high. corporate tax breaks are at an all time high. company "big wigs" are making 200+ % more than 20 years ago. the average worker's pay hasn't kept up with even the cost of living increases. and you're equating that with "he wants to over pay for labor". what part of this makes any sense to you?

BTW, i have 4 college degrees and i've run my own business for just over 20 years!

Paying someone more then what their skill set dictates in lthe marketplace is overpaying for labor. Why would I pay someone $15 an hour when their is an abundance of equally qualified people willing to do the job for $10 an hour? The reason the average worker's pay has not kept up is because their is an over supply of uneducated and unskilled labor. 

Originally Posted by Crumbpicker:
Originally Posted by Crash.Override:
Originally Posted by Jobe:
 
 
Originally Posted by Crash.Override: 

 

BTW, i have 4 college degrees and i've run my own business for just over 20 years!

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I call total BS on that one.

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if you live in the shoals area, you most likely have one of my products in your home! i'd say about 75% of the people in the area do! ask around. LOTS of people on this forum know me , in real life. you'll find the truth. it's gonna be a hard pill for you to swallow!

Curious...

What are your degrees in?  How many employees do you have?  Have you been hit by new regulations?  Are you planning to pay your employees $20 an hour? Are you going to provide health care to your employees? What is your profit margin?  Are you willing to drop that margin to make up for pay raises?

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the answer to the majority of your questions are none of your business. two of my degrees are mathematics and chemistry.  i pay EVERY employee a fair wage.. and yes, it's over $20/hour. all employees have FULL healthcare. always have. (at one time, i worked a second job, to make sure i could afford to take care of my employees. times are better and it's not an issue, now days.)

Originally Posted by Crash.Override:
Curious...

What are your degrees in?  How many employees do you have?  Have you been hit by new regulations?  Are you planning to pay your employees $20 an hour? Are you going to provide health care to your employees? What is your profit margin?  Are you willing to drop that margin to make up for pay raises?

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the answer to the majority of your questions are none of your business. two of my degrees are mathematics and chemistry.  i pay EVERY employee a fair wage.. and yes, it's over $20/hour. all employees have FULL healthcare. always have. (at one time, i worked a second job, to make sure i could afford to take care of my employees. times are better and it's not an issue, now days.)

So you have a business in the Shoals providing products that are in 75% of homes (your claim, but no facts to back it up), you pay your employees over $20 an hour and you worked two jobs to provide health care for them.

Either you are a saint and deserve to be listed along with Jesus or you are the best BS thrower on the forum.

Since you obviously don't want to mention what you provide, how about giving us your annual gross worth? I know of no privately owned business in this area that pays ALL employees over $20 an hour. I don't know many that even pay ONE employee that much. Please enlighten the audience so we may know where to apply for a job. Do you have strict requirements?

I know of several privately owned companies in our area that pay their employees more than 20 an hour. If you have a degree or several years experience in IT you can find good jobs. Not to mention most construction workers that have valuable skills make more than $20 an hour.

 

I personally don't know how any family makes it on less than that. Not today when a gallon of milk is 4 dollars gallon and gas is not far behind it.

 

And yes Crash, I have been laughing at this whole line of questioning. I try not to assume I know what someone on these forums is worth. I have been surprised too many times at the wide variety of successful people that come here to discuss and debate topics.

Originally Posted by Jankinonya:

I know of several privately owned companies in our area that pay their employees more than 20 an hour. If you have a degree or several years experience in IT you can find good jobs. Not to mention most construction workers that have valuable skills make more than $20 an hour.

 

I personally don't know how any family makes it on less than that. Not today when a gallon of milk is 4 dollars gallon and gas is not far behind it.

 

And yes Crash, I have been laughing at this whole line of questioning. I try not to assume I know what someone on these forums is worth. I have been surprised too many times at the wide variety of successful people that come here to discuss and debate topics.

I'm glad that you have been entertained. Since Crash specifically mentioned a product, construction and IT is not going to cover it. Degrees are not a guarantee of a good job either. I am thrilled to know that there are jobs making $20 an hour in this area, now if only I would see that on a job search. Been looking, but it's either minimum wage, commission work, or a very specific title or experience needed. Perhaps since you and Crash seem to be the 'job creators', you could point me in the right direction.

 

To Crash,

Since I am agnostic, the "Jesus" reference was only for a comparison. You may substitute Bill Gates, Gandhi, or the Lone Ranger if you prefer.

Crumb,  I have a list of Honey Do jobs - I have offered $15 - 20 per hour for someone who is intelligent and honest .  It seems that no one cares or is that broke!  Maybe you need to start your own Honey Do business.  I also need small painting jobs done.  BTW, the HD jobs include  opening that infernal bottle of mouthwash and replacing batteries in my
WetJet!  PM me and lets talk!

Earthmomma you can believe anything you want…..doesn’t make it true. Crash says he has a website devoted for people that hate him. That I can believe. I can also understand why you’re  friends with someone with such a website. I wouldn’t be bragging about it if I were you. I’ll pass on the Boo Radley's invite. You can order a salmonella salad or an e. coli sandwich without me.

Originally Posted by Jankinonya:

Sorry Crumb. I can't offer you a job.

 

What is your profession? If I know of anything in your line of work I will let you know.

Sorry for the late reply. I am currently in one of those 'minimum wage crappy hour' jobs.

Profession is a strong word. I have training in the biological and medical sciences and have worked in various labs. But, I have no medical degree of any type. I am a white male in my 50's, that's three strikes already. Too old and too close to retirement and not specifically trained  enough to be needed.

But I appreciate the offer.

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