Is there anyone out there???

Is there anyone out there, in the vast universe or more confined to this online forum, that believes what is happening today would be happening if Hillary Clinton had won the Election in 2016?   

Okay, I admit that I'm sure there are some people that are so deceived by their own dreams to think that such could have happened, maybe Hillary or Obama are among them but you can almost rest assured that the only way this would have happened with Hillary as President would be in Hollywood movies. 

Trump has faced unprecedented criticism from the national media, both print, and television, and constantly Trump has prevailed and remained unfazed throughout it all.  Even in the reporting about this summit the overly negative bias is so apparent in some reporters who cannot bring themselves to report some unbiased comment regarding Trump.   One commentator, when addressing the media bias against Trump, recalled a statement that he attributed to Reagan, who also had his problems with the media.  President Reagan was said to have commented, regarding the media's negative press of him, that if he (Reagan) was to walk on water the next day's headlines would be "Reagan can't swim".    Reagan had it bad but Trump's negative coverage surpasses all before him.

I, personally, do not believe that what we are witnessing, whether it's successful or not, would have ever happened if not for President Trump.  I don't even believe that Romney, Bush, or any other Republican candidate that ran in 2016, and surely not McCain could have achieved this.  You can bet one thing for certain is coming out of today and that is there are many Trump enemies that are in horror that today has happened and are wishing beyond hope for failure to happen.  There are even some Democrats that were on record saying that they were hoping for a great recession in America so that Trump could get the blame for it.  What a statement from someone that is supposed to care about the little person in America, hoping for economic failure (which affects all people).  

So how about it?   Anyone out there believes that Hillary would have pulled this off?  Anyone believe anyone else other than Trump would have pulled this off?

Be as the Bereans ( Acts 17:11 )
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What exactly are you so excited about? That two dictators met and shook hands?

Fox & Friends host Abby Huntsman captioned the moment: “This is history. We are living — regardless of what happens in that meeting between the two dictators — what we are seeing right now, this is history.”

When it's all over, they'll sign an agreement to end the Korean war. Trump will give out some big concession and the no longer needed test facility in North Korea will be shut down. Then Republicans will nominate Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize and rail against Obama when Trump doesn't win. That's about it, in a nutshell.

GBRK,

So how about it?   Anyone out there believes that Hillary would have pulled this off?  Anyone believe anyone else other than Trump would have pulled this off?

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If you're asking if the brain dead Helda would  pick up a big red button
from Ace hardware for l'il Kim, she would, then sell him Uranium for
the Clinton slush fund sure, she's done all that before.
 
Then like MoBarry, herd millions of illegal cut throats into the Country
to vote NO to freedom and yes to prayer rugs and heroin for everyone..
Br’er Rabbit posted:

When it's all over, they'll sign an agreement to end the Korean war. Trump will give out some big concession and the no longer needed test facility in North Korea will be shut down. Then Republicans will nominate Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize and rail against Obama when Trump doesn't win. That's about it, in a nutshell.

Well, the initial meeting is over and I think went (unfortunately for those who hate Trump) very well.  Contrast this with the Iran agreement where Obama, in as much, gave Iran Nuclear Weapons within 10 years, required no Iranian officials to sign it in and gave Iran's Islamic leaders tons of money on a plane/palate in exchange to let their hostages go.  Money that was certainly used for terrorism around the world.  Also with Obama's agreement, the United States was actually committed to defending Iran from attack in case Israel was to launch an attack.  

Obama could only dream of negotiating such an agreement but then Kim is most likely kicking himself for not trying to negotiate with Obama who apologized for anything the US has ever done and would give out tons of cash.  

 

Trump did nothing of the such.  Trump canceled a pre-planned training exercise with South Korea.  I assume that is a move, by Trump, to prove his seriousness in achieving an agreement with Kim Jun Un.  Kim Jung Un has released the 3 Americans that were being held and they are now back in America, this was achieved by the Summit even though it happened before.  North Korea suspended their testing and test that flew missiles over Japan.  North Korea has also met with South Korean leader twice and agreed to help the US repatriate bodies of many of those killed in the Korean War.  Trump also achieved an actual face to face meeting with the North Korean leader where the two shook hands and agreed to future meetings (one in Washington and one in the North Korean capital) as well as total abanding of North Korea's Nuclear program.  Although that has not happened and is only a promise it's far more than ever achieved before.  That's not to mention the cessation of propaganda broadcast that was constantly happening through the years across the border nor the elimination of at least three, if not more, of HARDCORE North Korean military leaders that would have surely argued against any kind of agreement or peace with the United States or South Korea.  Kim Jung Un has purged his military of many of these hard liners which also is a real sign that he is potentially ready to deal.

The US is still in the area of the South China Sea and there is still a conflict with China over that area but the move to cancel the planned exercises is a very demonstratable sign that the US, and Trump, are serious about working to get a working agreement.  The real breakthrough will be when/if North Korea reveals the location and numbers of their nuclear arsenal, testing sights, and locations of the material to make the weapons.  That is yet to come and would be a more visible demonstration of Kim's seriousness at disarming.

Either way, giving far more promise of a real agreement that has existed in the last 50 to 60 years.  There is a real chance of seeing the reunification of the Korean peninsula and an official end to the Korean war and potential development in the North.    

I know it's very difficult for the folks that hate Trump and Republicans to see these things happening under Trump and seeing him do yet another thing to completely demonstrate how insufficient and inept that Obama was, as President.  Trump achieved this without the removal of any of the sanctions that exist, that brought N. Korea to the table as well as happening without a plane full of cash being flown to an N. Korean airport like Obama gave to the Mullahs of Iran in order to get the Americans that Iran held released.  The Three Americans were released before the summit was ever conducted as a sign of good faith, just like the cancellation of the pre-planned military exercises is a demonstration and sign of "good faith" and demonstration of trust in Kim Jung Un's word.  

I admit things could still fall apart (as so many Democrats and Trump opponents hope and pray it will) but we've (the United States and the World) never been at such an optimistic place with North Korea.  Contrast what has been happening in North Korea to the Iran agreement where Iran gave up nothing at all and received such a huge cash payment, releasing of sanctions and cash that had been held.  The agreement with Iran also never had to be signed by Iran's governmental leaders and also did not keep them from achieving Nuclear weapons but guaranteed it within 10 years as well as providing protection, from the United States, from possible attacks from Israel (our best Middle East Friend).  Trump totallly outshined Obama in every way.

Well, new reports say Trump talked about luxury hotels. ha! Trump agreed to suspend military exercises with South Korea INDEFINITELY and North Korea agreed to denuclearize, the same as they've done the past 30 years. What's different this time over the numerous times North Korea has done this over the last three decades? Trump says it's ok, this time? Republicans are making a mountain out of a mole hill until something specific is put on paper.

Br’er Rabbit posted:

Well, new reports say Trump talked about luxury hotels. ha! Trump agreed to suspend military exercises with South Korea INDEFINITELY and North Korea agreed to denuclearize, the same as they've done the past 30 years. What's different this time over the numerous times North Korea has done this over the last three decades? Trump says it's ok, this time? Republicans are making a mountain out of a mole hill until something specific is put on paper.

As I said it could all fall apart or Kim Jung Un may not be serious but I do argue that there are enough differences than before that there is a reason for optimism.  The release of Americans from being held in their prison camps has never happened before.  True North Korea has lied before and made overtures of peace but never by Kim Jung Un but rather his Father and Grandfather who were much older and more set in their power positions.  Before there, also, was not the elimination of hardline military leaders such as Kim Jung Un has done prior to this summit.  Additionally, there was never the seemingly friendly meetings between North and South Korea in addition to an actual face to face meeting between our President and the North Korean leader.  I also like the fact that Trump presented an iPad presentation to Kim Jung Un as to what North Korea's potential could possibly be with certain changes, that Kim Jung Un could make.  I think Trump is in a very unique position that no other President was able to take advantage of.  I just love, though, how many from Obama's administration try and discount what is happening by trying to say it was all on Kim Jung Un as if Obama could have done exactly the same thing but rather it was Kim Jung Un that was keeping it from happening and now, all of a sudden, has decided to deal with an American President.  Obama could never have done 1/10th of what Trump has done or accomplished, at least not with Obama's frame of mind and limited skill set.  Obama could organize groups and make good speeches but was totally out of his element as President and history will certainly reflect that if Obama can even be found on the pages of history other than being the first minority President.  Obama could have done so much and accomplished so much if he didn't hate the United States and our Constitutional controls so much.

I can understand why many are suspicious and non-trusting of Kim Jung Un but I argue that there are just as many reasons to suspect that potentially things have changed.  Another thing that changed is the way President Trump approaches other leaders and Nations.  Trump is doing exactly what he was elected to do and that was to PUT AMERICA FIRST and restore America's standing in the World as the World's #1 and strongest superpower.  While there are still conflicts and areas where we (the US) are in areas of contention such as with China in the South China Sea there is also a noticeable change in the way the World views America and no longer are we being laughed at or taken for granted.  Trump has proven that he will and does put America first and that the days of taking advantage of America are over as well as the days when our President bows to other leaders or apologizes for America.  

I think Trump has done an exemplary and tremendous job and I also believe that those who detest and hate Trump still are lost in a Trump Derangement Syndrome whereby they are characteristically unhinged and unable to rationally have any dialog regarding Trump without their derangement taking over hence the contemporary example of many of Hollywood's elite such as De Niro who lost it at the awards show.

BR'ER DE NIRO has nothing else to say, whining, snot bubbles,
vomit, soiled depends, self inflicted bite marks and hang overs.
 
But the forked tongue twist and shout dance will continue for
a while longer, ignora gli sciocchi a tutti i costi..........
gbrk posted:
Br’er Rabbit posted:

Well, new reports say Trump talked about luxury hotels. ha! Trump agreed to suspend military exercises with South Korea INDEFINITELY and North Korea agreed to denuclearize, the same as they've done the past 30 years. What's different this time over the numerous times North Korea has done this over the last three decades? Trump says it's ok, this time? Republicans are making a mountain out of a mole hill until something specific is put on paper.

As I said it could all fall apart or Kim Jung Un may not be serious but I do argue that there are enough differences than before that there is a reason for optimism.  The release of Americans from being held in their prison camps has never happened before.  True North Korea has lied before and made overtures of peace but never by Kim Jung Un but rather his Father and Grandfather who were much older and more set in their power positions.  Before there, also, was not the elimination of hardline military leaders such as Kim Jung Un has done prior to this summit.  Additionally, there was never the seemingly friendly meetings between North and South Korea in addition to an actual face to face meeting between our President and the North Korean leader.  I also like the fact that Trump presented an iPad presentation to Kim Jung Un as to what North Korea's potential could possibly be with certain changes, that Kim Jung Un could make.  I think Trump is in a very unique position that no other President was able to take advantage of.  I just love, though, how many from Obama's administration try and discount what is happening by trying to say it was all on Kim Jung Un as if Obama could have done exactly the same thing but rather it was Kim Jung Un that was keeping it from happening and now, all of a sudden, has decided to deal with an American President.  Obama could never have done 1/10th of what Trump has done or accomplished, at least not with Obama's frame of mind and limited skill set.  Obama could organize groups and make good speeches but was totally out of his element as President and history will certainly reflect that if Obama can even be found on the pages of history other than being the first minority President.  Obama could have done so much and accomplished so much if he didn't hate the United States and our Constitutional controls so much.

I can understand why many are suspicious and non-trusting of Kim Jung Un but I argue that there are just as many reasons to suspect that potentially things have changed.  Another thing that changed is the way President Trump approaches other leaders and Nations.  Trump is doing exactly what he was elected to do and that was to PUT AMERICA FIRST and restore America's standing in the World as the World's #1 and strongest superpower.  While there are still conflicts and areas where we (the US) are in areas of contention such as with China in the South China Sea there is also a noticeable change in the way the World views America and no longer are we being laughed at or taken for granted.  Trump has proven that he will and does put America first and that the days of taking advantage of America are over as well as the days when our President bows to other leaders or apologizes for America.  

I think Trump has done an exemplary and tremendous job and I also believe that those who detest and hate Trump still are lost in a Trump Derangement Syndrome whereby they are characteristically unhinged and unable to rationally have any dialog regarding Trump without their derangement taking over hence the contemporary example of many of Hollywood's elite such as De Niro who lost it at the awards show.

I can tell by how well other world leaders are including America in their new deals just how much we've improved on the world stage, as a country. ha! Trump is viewed as a laughing stock by the majority of Americans and world leaders. Only do Republicans see Trump as an improvement and the vast majority of Republicans are only happy with Trump 'because he ****es off the libtards.' The GOP will have to go a LOOOOONG way to overcome the damage they're allowing Trump to do.

Kraven posted:
BR'ER DE NIRO has nothing else to say, whining, snot bubbles,
vomit, soiled depends, self inflicted bite marks and hang overs.
 
But the forked tongue twist and shout dance will continue for
a while longer, ignora gli sciocchi a tutti i costi..........

Ha!

giftedamateur posted:
Kraven posted:
BR'ER DE NIRO has nothing else to say, whining, snot bubbles,
vomit, soiled depends, self inflicted bite marks and hang overs.
 
But the forked tongue twist and shout dance will continue for
a while longer, ignora gli sciocchi a tutti i costi..........

Ha!

I think it's great how you two can talk and understand each other!

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