Is THIS global warming???!!!

Those particular global warming skeptics don't know the difference between weather and climate. So they are much like crickets who chirp only when their local weather tells them to.

Global warming can't be denied - the earth's atmosphere has been warming since the last ice age.

I am a global warming policy skeptic though, and think the radicals on both sides of the issue have hijacked and are controlling debate.

i'm sort of a global warming skeptic.

i do not deny that global warming is real, and is happening.

what i think is total BS is the idea that it's "man made" global warming.

the earth cycles. it warms up, it cools off. sometimes slowly and marginally, sometimes drastically and suddenly.

it's done this for billions of years before we were here, and will continue to do so for billions of years after we are gone.

we didn't cause global warming, and we can't stop global warming. we cannot hurt this planet.
we can kill ourselves, but that's about it.


as to the reasons for the heat at the moment? i call it summer in the south.

it always sucks this time of year. i remember it being in the triple digits at least for a few days most of my life. not every year, but most of them.

This unusually hot weather is called "summer".

I remember it being in the 90's and occasionally breaking 100 when I was a kid. This is a typical summer following a couple of mild years.

There is no global warming.

If politicians say there is a crisis and they can fix it by taxing and regulating us, then that should be a clue that the crisis is BS.

Yes, the earth is getting warmer. This summer has been one of the hottest on record. Iceburgs are melting at an alarming rate. Record temperatures are occuring at places that normally do not have them.

And it has NOTHING to do with politics!

The west coast is unusually cool this summer.

In the southern hemisphere, they are having an unusually cold winter.

If there are more icebergs, it means the ice pack is expanding.

Climate cycles, sun flares, tilt of the earth's axis, ice ages, mini ice ages, El Nino, La NIna, etc.....all affect the weather. Some for periods of 20 to 30 years, some for centuries. It was a cold winter season last time with 6 snow falls. Snow is rarely seen in this little area. England had the worst winter storms in years shutting down traffic.

We have not broken any heat records locally that I know of. So no, I won't shout AGW now, and I won't shout it when we have 5 degrees this winter.

One of the hottest years nationally on record.
http://www.usatoday.com/weathe...1Ahotjuly30_ST_N.htm
However, that is just for North America, but Nashbama's assertion notwithstanding, this is one of the hottest years on record globally as well:
http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/s...715_globalstats.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/envi...eratures-2010-record

We better hope and prey that this global warming IS caused by carbon in the air like most of the scientist in the world think. Why- because it is one thing we can do something about.
If, like you skeptics think , it is normal to be the hottest ever and getting hotter every year , we are screwed.
Question is "are you willing to risk the future of our children and grandchildren on a planet because you don't like Al Gore ?

It may well be that we ARE in a natural cycle that is producing a warming trend. BUT, to think that all of the carbon, methane, and other assorted goodies we have been spewing into the air for the past century, don't ALSO contribute to this warming is naive. The atmosphere, like any container, can only hold so much of anything before its composition changes so much that it has an effect. If you don't believe me, try pouring a few drops of vinegar into a gallon of water. Let me know how many drops it takes before you can taste it.

Or better yet, don't clean the cat's litterbox for a while, and see how long it takes before you can't stand it anymore!

I remember working construction in Texas in 1980. We had 61 consecutive days of 100+ temps and a total of 75 days above 100 for the entire summer. There were days it hit 114 and 115 degrees. There were T-shirts and people had office pools of how many days in a row. EVERYBODY was concerned and we had a name for it; SUMMER IN TEXAS! Nothing more.

seems like I remember that. So many heat related deaths the funeral homes had to use refrigerated trucks to store the bodies.

I remember that year. I lived in Memphis and it seemed to stay 107 every day for several weeks. Went to San Antonio later in that summer and it seemed hot as hell, but I rented a little Nissan that had an A/C that was KICKING !

Global warming is a matter of record...it happened betweem 1927 and 1931. The record high temperatures set in that time frame stand as unbroken records.

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Yes, the earth is getting warmer. This summer has been one of the hottest on record. Iceburgs are melting at an alarming rate. Record temperatures are occuring at places that normally do not have them.

And it has NOTHING to do with politics!

This summer hasn't even come close to the hottest year on record.

I went to the Pacific Northwest a couple of times this summer. I've seen a few glaciers, snow capped mountains, and spent a few chilly evenings outside enjoying the cool summer temperatures.

There is no global warming, it's a scam. It's a politically motivated scam that is making certain people filthy rich. It's a scam designed to rush through legislation under the guise of a "crisis".

When you stop listening to others and start looking at the world with your own eyes, you'll see just how full of crap most people are.

Nope, as usual coal and oil company propaganda.
So far, 2010 is shaping up to be the hottest on record . http://www.scientificamerican....e-creates-new-normal

Denying global warming is a scam which is making some people in the oil and coal industries very rich. As long as they can convince the weak minded that it is not so, the longer they can delay any start of something that will lower their profit margins.
Saying that because you go up North where there is snow on the mountains and using that fact to deny that the overall temperature of the earth is constantly warming is like the old farmer who, when picked up while walking by a man in an air conditioned car decided it must be time to kill hogs since he had gotten cool.

I don't know about global warming, but I told my buddy today"man it sure is hot." He said"it's not the heat its the humidity." So I said "Well I wish this humidity would quit ro;llin down the crack of my a55.

The sky is falling....

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Denying global warming is a scam which is making some people in the oil and coal industries very rich. As long as they can convince the weak minded that it is not so, the longer they can delay any start of something that will lower their profit margins.
Saying that because you go up North where there is snow on the mountains and using that fact to deny that the overall temperature of the earth is constantly warming is like the old farmer who, when picked up while walking by a man in an air conditioned car decided it must be time to kill hogs since he had gotten cool.

Last winter was much colder than usual. Apparently, that was due to global warming as well. Supposedly, melting glaciers are making the global temperature colder, so global warming causes colder weather.

The reality is that the hottest year on record was in the 30's. 1998 was the third hottest year, which I remember was worse than this year.

I've been to Sawyer Glacier. It's freezing cold there. It's not melting, it's sliding into the fjord very slowly.

If you want to believe the largest polluter of the Caney Fork River in Carthage TN that somehow he cares about the environment and you should buy your carbon credits from him, you're free to do so. I base my views in reality and the facts are clear, there is no global warming. It's a scam that is making a lot of crooked people very rich and powerful.

What does the fact that the 80's was the warmest decade up to that point, the 90's was warmer than the 80, and the 2000s are yet still warmer http://www.usatoday.com/tech/s..._N.htm?csp=obnetwork
have to do with Al Gore, or your hatred of him ?

Get over it. The Earth (not necessarly one little part of it- that's called weather) is getting warmer. Do you realize the implications of that ?
More heat means more energy in the atmosphere, and the oceans. Some areas will get wetter, some will get dryer. In the winter, more snow in some areas. Stronger hurricanes. Famine in a lot of the world.
You should get over your Goreaphobia and consider the real price we will pay sooner or later for releasing all that fossil carbon into our atmosphere.

Even the warmists admit that the planet's temperature hasn't changed in 15 years.

I'm still waiting for the massive hurricane season.

Global warming does not exist. It happens about every whatever thousands of years, bank on it. Sometimes the earth heats up, sometimes it cools down. Sometimes it rains a lot and sometimes it doesn't. History will explain Global Warming, NOT that guy who invented the internet.

When it gets really hot stuff dies.
When it gets really cold stuff dies.

Too much rain? Stuff dies.
Too little rain? Stuff dies.

"So, The glacier expert says to the longshoreman"; "What's the world coming too?"

LOL, don't let facts get in your way, just keep on wishing and hoping and ignoring the facts. Maybe that will solve it all.

The people who refuse to believe the facts should go start another thread on this topic in the "politics" section, where they can just close their eyes and stamp their feet because they don't like Al Gore.

Those of us who believe in science and refuse to allow our politics to override our common sense, can stay here and discuss ideas on how to alleviate the situation.

The true answer won't be known for about another 1,000 years. I personally don't plan on hanging around that long. Let's see we can't stop rain, or hurricanes, or tornadoes, or drought, or earthquakes, or volcanoes, or tsunamis, or lightning. But, we are causing global warming and we can stop it by creating the largest tax increase and redistribution of wealth in history. Makes sense to me.

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Those of us who believe in science and refuse to allow our politics to override our common sense, can stay here and discuss ideas on how to alleviate the situation.

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New Danish research shows that large parts of Greenland were covered by forest. This was discovered by analysing fossil DNA which had been preserved under the kilometre-thick icecap. The DNA-traces are likely close to 450,000 years old, and that means that Greenland was also covered in a large ice sheet 125,000 years ago during the earth's last warm period, Eem. This was while the climate was 5 degrees warmer than the interglacial period we currently live in.

http://www.physorg.com/news102864888.html

If those dammed troglodytes hadn't discovered fire and rode around on pimped out mastodons, Greenland wouldn't have defrosted in their time.

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Originally posted by O No!:
The people who refuse to believe the facts should go start another thread on this topic in the "politics" section, where they can just close their eyes and stamp their feet because they don't like Al Gore.

Those of us who believe in science and refuse to allow our politics to override our common sense, can stay here and discuss ideas on how to alleviate the situation.

i believe in science. in the last 100 or so years, the earth's temp has gone up about 1.5 degrees - IF we can put any faith in data from people who thought indoor plumbing was a novelty. i wouldn't put a lot of money on that bet.

but Al is insignificant.
and, on a global scale, so are we.
i said it before... the earth IS warming, slightly. it's done it before. without us. it'll do it again. with or without us. it'll also cool again as it has in the past, and we'll have nothing to do with it.

there was an article in time magazine about how we had 20 years left before mans poloution of the earth brought catastrophic earth shattering meteorlogical changes, and we were in danger of extincting ourselves. it was published in an issue in the early 70s' maybe mid 70's. if anyone cares, i'll look it up. in another 20-30 years we'll be looking back laughing at what alarmists were freaking out about in the first decade of 2000. i've yet to see the whole new classification of superhurricaine with wind speeds of 500+ mph, or the land swept by new supertornados that defy the F-scale rating. heck, we haven't even had the superquake that wipes out the left coast yet. all the doom and gloom predictions i grew up with have yet to happen.
even katrina.. 1st, it wasn't that powerful when it made landfall. 2nd, those people had days and days of warning. yet, they stood there saying ' this is my house. i was born in my house. i grew up in my house. i'm not leaving my house. hey, where'd my house go? somebody pay for me a new house!"

but back to the point -

get over yourselves. we aren't capable of harming the earth. the earth, however, is capable of shaking us off like a bad case of fleas at any point it chooses.

how powerful you must feel, thinking you can bring change to something as massive and ancient as a whole planet.

i repeat - get over yourselves. neither you nor i are any less insignificant that al gore on a global scale.

the earth will warm. then it will cool. then it will warm. wash, rinse, repeat.

nothing we do will change it, for better or for worse.

i'm in favor of keeping the place clean - we all want a nice pretty clean place to live. but don't try to sell me the idea that we are going to harm the planet.
it's silly, and it's untruthful.

now, if you'll excuse me, i have a case of CFC laden freon to go spray around the back yard.

Even most animals know better than to foul their own nests. Well, except for birds maybe. Hmm...birdbrains?

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If those dammed troglodytes hadn't discovered fire and rode around on pimped out mastodons, Greenland wouldn't have defrosted in their time

LOL, I love it. Notice no one mentions any facts for AGW in this discussion. Just big Al said so. They proved that by cleaning up the air, it increased the solar radiation hitting the earth. So fixing pollution causes AGW. So why do we need cap and trade again?
First it was pollution caused GW, now its cleaning pollution causes GW.

I'll wait until they scream global cooling.

Oh no Al, say it ain't so!!!!!!!

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/t...t/article7044708.ece


March 1, 2010
Green fuels cause more harm than fossil fuels, according to report
Ben Webster, Environment Editor

Using fossil fuel in vehicles is better for the environment than so-called green fuels made from crops, according to a government study seen by The Times.

The findings show that the Department for Transport’s target for raising the level of biofuel in all fuel sold in Britain will result in millions of acres of forest being logged or burnt down and converted to plantations. The study, likely to force a review of the target, concludes that some of the most commonly-used biofuel crops fail to meet the minimum sustainability standard set by the European Commission.

Under the standard, each litre of biofuel should reduce emissions by at least 35 per cent compared with burning a litre of fossil fuel. Yet the study shows that palm oil increases emissions by 31 per cent because of the carbon released when forest and grassland is turned into plantations. Rape seed and soy also fail to meet the standard.

The Renewable Transport Fuels Obligation this year requires 3¼ per cent of all fuel sold to come from crops. The proportion is due to increase each year and by 2020 is required to be 13 per cent. The DfT commissioned E4tech, a consultancy, to investigate the overall impact of its biofuel target on forests and other undeveloped land.

The EC has conducted its own research, but is refusing to publish the results. A leaked internal memo from the EC’s agriculture directorate reveals its concern that Europe’s entire biofuels industry, which receives almost £3 billion a year in subsidies, would be jeopardised if indirect changes in land use were included in sustainability standards. A senior official added to the memo in handwriting: “An unguided use of ILUC [indirect land use change] would kill biofuels in the EU.”

The oil spills, hurricanes, floods, and the global heat wave (which have been the cause of many fires) have many searching for answers. The internet is buzzing with articles and excellent blogs. But could it be simply the biblical sequence of God's wrath being poured out upon the earth which is relevant to current events in today's world. What if we are dealing with the wrath of God? Please understand the wrath of God is letting man slip deeper and deeper into the consequences of his own sin. Please visit my website at http://www.revelation-truth.org . Rev. Daniel W. Blair author of the book Final Warning

Daniel,
Please go to religion and put your input into some of those topics. I would love to read your opinions.

To reiterate a point:

It's SUMMER!

Aw heck, somebody gave my answer, it's summer! Then we'll ***** when its cold, that is called winter.

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Originally posted by Daniel:
The oil spills, hurricanes, floods, and the global heat wave (which have been the cause of many fires) have many searching for answers. The internet is buzzing with articles and excellent blogs. But could it be simply the biblical sequence of God's wrath being poured out upon the earth which is relevant to current events in today's world. What if we are dealing with the wrath of God? Please understand the wrath of God is letting man slip deeper and deeper into the consequences of his own sin. Please visit my website at http://www.revelation-truth.org . Rev. Daniel W. Blair author of the book Final Warning

My wife believes that God vested his punishment on our country in the personage of G.W.Bush.
I tend to agree. Maybe now that punishment is over.

My wife believes that God vested his punishment on our country in the personage of Barrack Hussein Obama. I would have to say this punishment is going to be much worse than yours.

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Originally posted by leo:
I don't know about global warming, but I told my buddy today"man it sure is hot." He said"it's not the heat its the humidity." So I said "Well I wish this humidity would quit ro;llin down the crack of my a55.

There’s your answer. It ain’t the heat. It’s Global Humidity.