Just take a look at this slide show and you will see that they are just like us.
http://www.usvetdsp.com/dec06/slide_hate/index.html
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quote:Originally posted by yankeewitch:
This scares me! These people aren't going to be happy until every one of us are dead. If we pull out of Iraq that will just give them more power. These people have to be stopped by any means possible and we have to stop them on their own turf or we will be trying to fight them off on our own hometown streets. We have to stop them from infiltrating our country and using our money to fight against us. I personally don't shop at any rag head establishment. Everyone needs to stand up for this country and buy AMERICAN from AMERICANS! We need to demand that only legal americans get any kind of benifits,housing or jobs in this country. I'm sorry I'm not as educated as most are on this forum and can't get my point across in a more eloquent way, but I am who I am and too old to change now.
quote:Nash, This just a thought.If these people were sent here to infiltrate our country , wouldn't they pretend to be something that they are not?They wouldn't come here and announce that they were terrorists would they?
quote:Originally posted by NashBama:
Not long ago in Nashville, an Arabic owned store, similar to the kind being discussed here, was robbed. The two Middle Eastern men who were working there at the time were shot and killed.
The two men were Christians who fled their country in search of a better life. They were legal citizens with friends, families, and people who cared about them.
I agree that Islam is a religion of violence, but don't let that turn into racism. Then you are no better than the radical Islams. Those store owners do in fact pay the same taxes any other American store pays. They are not funding terrorism with their stores, they are not out to get you. They left a horrible situation in hopes of finding success.
quote:Originally posted by yankeewitch:
Nash, This just a thought.If these people were sent here to infiltrate our country , wouldn't they pretend to be something that they are not?They wouldn't come here and announce that they were terrorists would they?
quote:How do you know they are not? How do you know that they are not in the large cities and small towns? And I admit they maybe hard working people just trying to make a living, but maybe that is just a cover. We just don't need to let our guards down or bury our heads in the sand.
quote:Originally posted by Ubermensch:
Just take a look at this slide show and you will see that they are just like us.
http://www.usvetdsp.com/dec06/slide_hate/index.html
quote:Originally posted by NashBama:quote:How do you know they are not? How do you know that they are not in the large cities and small towns? And I admit they maybe hard working people just trying to make a living, but maybe that is just a cover. We just don't need to let our guards down or bury our heads in the sand.
Oh I intend to provide the link, it is a lot to read through to find it, and I could kick myself for not bookmarking it, but it is there, on the gov website. NO TAXES for business, and free education.
But I cannot provide that until I get home, this puter is too slow to even try.
We shouldn't let our guard down, but we also should not persicute the innocent in the process. Think about it, what are the odds that the guy behind the counter at the corner market is a terrorist? No "what if", think about it realisticly.
As for the tax break, provide a link of proof please Kindred.
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quote:Originally posted by miamizsun:
"If I'm not mistaken, I think that maybe Buddhism and Jainism are the only religions with a peaceful history....."
quote:Originally posted by kazem7419:quote:Originally posted by miamizsun:
"If I'm not mistaken, I think that maybe Buddhism and Jainism are the only religions with a peaceful history....."
To look at the history of the religions of the world, they were all based on peace. It has always been the people in the religions that did not practice peace.
quote:Originally posted by NashBama:
I waited until I got home from work to see the original link. That's pretty eye opening. Those are the extremists we're fighting over there. If we don't defeat them in their land, they'll come to ours.
quote:Originally posted by one who posts:
Islam IS a religion of peace. What we are seeing is slice of media fodder and "insurgents," as they are called, within the religion.
You weak minded people have allowed an internet culture to be your teacher. Use History books, or better yet, primary sources. Try to seek the truth instead of the popular need to hate another religion.
The only story of violence I read in the Qur'an was about a man who summoned bears to slaughter 42 children for making fun of his religious expression. Oh, wait, sorry . . . that's the Bible (2 Kings 2.23-24).
But then there's that Islamic story about the man who became so infuriated at his wife because she was defiled by villainous gang-rapers, even though he gave her to them, that he dragged her home on a donkey and cut her into twelve pieces. He then mailed the pieces to different parts of the region. Oops . . . that's the Bible, too (Judges 19.23-30).
I bet we could find more if we tried.
If you really are Christians, perhaps you should be thinking of effective methods of evangelism instead of the best way to "kill 'em all."
quote:Originally posted by kazem7419:
Nice quote voices i. Keep the people paranoid and play on their lack of understanding. It seems easy for some people to decide what is what based on third hand information. How can you look at one religion and say it's not peacful when the history of all or most religions have shown to be aggressive at one point or another.
quote:Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:quote:Originally posted by one who posts:
Islam IS a religion of peace. What we are seeing is slice of media fodder and "insurgents," as they are called, within the religion.
You weak minded people have allowed an internet culture to be your teacher. Use History books, or better yet, primary sources. Try to seek the truth instead of the popular need to hate another religion.
The only story of violence I read in the Qur'an was about a man who summoned bears to slaughter 42 children for making fun of his religious expression. Oh, wait, sorry . . . that's the Bible (2 Kings 2.23-24).
But then there's that Islamic story about the man who became so infuriated at his wife because she was defiled by villainous gang-rapers, even though he gave her to them, that he dragged her home on a donkey and cut her into twelve pieces. He then mailed the pieces to different parts of the region. Oops . . . that's the Bible, too (Judges 19.23-30).
I bet we could find more if we tried.
If you really are Christians, perhaps you should be thinking of effective methods of evangelism instead of the best way to "kill 'em all."
Oh, now we are called weak minded because you joined the boards? I am impressed!!!!
Go back and get to KNOW us before starting to call names. This just isn't a nice way to get started and get to know people here...
Just a thought.... from my weak mind... but OOOPS, I forgot, I don't even have a weak mind! lol
quote:Originally posted by one who posts:
Oh, good. I'm glad your website is here to give us real knowledge.
Go read a book. Better yet, since you've decided to be the Christian warrior, go read the Qur'an so you can actually quote it from your own study instead of quoting someone else who may or may be quoting someone else as well.
This is getting old. People have an opinion and they go look for easy ways to help justify them e.g. websites and nifty e-mail forwards. If your opinion is right, then you will be better for having solid evidence. If it's wrong, you'll be better for knowing the truth.
BTW, you see more street dancers than sympathizers because it makes better news spots. A leading Muslim leader was just on NATIONAL TELEVISION this very morning repudiating the extremists and terrorists. He was lauding Muslims who have had contact with terrorist organizations but chose to leave and fight against them.
Research = Knowledge = Power, therefore without research, you have no power.
quote:Originally posted by Brentenman:
Islam a "peaceful religion"? I about fell out my chair when I read that.
www.ArabicGroup.com
http://www.arabicgroup.com/islam/index.htm
Read the papers written by Samer Abdelrahman who is an Islamic and Arabic Culture Consultant. He is a former Sunni Muslim who is now a Christian. He is an Americanized Iraqi who is working on his doctorate at KU; has degrees in philosphy and the like from Baghdad U. (late 1980's) and U of Cairo, Egypt in early 1990's.
He used to work in Saddam's secret police...He knows more than most about it.
Samer was one of several Iraqi's (Sunni and Shi'ite) who fled Iraq under Saddam's rule and now live in the Kansas City area. They came to our Iraq Culture class and gave lectures, etc.
quote:Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:quote:Originally posted by one who posts:
Oh, good. I'm glad your website is here to give us real knowledge.
Go read a book. Better yet, since you've decided to be the Christian warrior, go read the Qur'an so you can actually quote it from your own study instead of quoting someone else who may or may be quoting someone else as well.
This is getting old. People have an opinion and they go look for easy ways to help justify them e.g. websites and nifty e-mail forwards. If your opinion is right, then you will be better for having solid evidence. If it's wrong, you'll be better for knowing the truth.
BTW, you see more street dancers than sympathizers because it makes better news spots. A leading Muslim leader was just on NATIONAL TELEVISION this very morning repudiating the extremists and terrorists. He was lauding Muslims who have had contact with terrorist organizations but chose to leave and fight against them.
Research = Knowledge = Power, therefore without research, you have no power.
"Getting OLD"... hmmmm, you are a new member yet you are talking about us like we are idiots, and we should read the Qur
an... well.. let me tell YOU something... You come on here like a genius, and start right from the get-go with insults to people you dont know... OR DO YOU???.... then turn around and lecture.
Please, get a grasp of all the diversity you are dealing with on the boards before playing genius here.
quote:Originally posted by one who posts:quote:Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:quote:Originally posted by one who posts:
Oh, good. I'm glad your website is here to give us real knowledge.
Go read a book. Better yet, since you've decided to be the Christian warrior, go read the Qur'an so you can actually quote it from your own study instead of quoting someone else who may or may be quoting someone else as well.
This is getting old. People have an opinion and they go look for easy ways to help justify them e.g. websites and nifty e-mail forwards. If your opinion is right, then you will be better for having solid evidence. If it's wrong, you'll be better for knowing the truth.
BTW, you see more street dancers than sympathizers because it makes better news spots. A leading Muslim leader was just on NATIONAL TELEVISION this very morning repudiating the extremists and terrorists. He was lauding Muslims who have had contact with terrorist organizations but chose to leave and fight against them.
Research = Knowledge = Power, therefore without research, you have no power.
"Getting OLD"... hmmmm, you are a new member yet you are talking about us like we are idiots, and we should read the Qur
an... well.. let me tell YOU something... You come on here like a genius, and start right from the get-go with insults to people you dont know... OR DO YOU???.... then turn around and lecture.
Please, get a grasp of all the diversity you are dealing with on the boards before playing genius here.
I wonder if you would worry about my posts so much if I militantly echoed your sentiments.
Friend, I'm not worried about who is right or wrong on these boards. I enjoy seeing a mixture of ideas.
Having said that . . .
I realize that in a face to face setting, all of our words would be quite different. Apparently this is the way you all have conducted the discussions. So, since I'm new, I'll jade the intensity in my posts.
To be clear: I, too, am for suppressing militants and extremists. I am for a war against those who would spray their violence upon the world. I support our troops. In fact, I would have supported Bush's initiative to fight terrorism if we had gone into Iraq (and every other country that needed it) under those pretenses. I just think it would be in our best interests to keep our anger pointed in the correct and merited direction. The peaceful constituents of Islam will prove to be our strongest allies in the fight against the radicals.
Just as Christians shoudn't be judged by abortion clinic bombers, neither should Muslims be judged by al-Qaeda.
Thanks for the check. Forgive my hastiness.
quote:Originally posted by one who posts:
Okay, well, thank you.
I certainly didn't mean to make anyone feel as if they were being demeaned. It's just important that this delicate issue is treated correctly. It's bad enough to have the militant minimum to fight; we don't want the added hassle of having upset the majority, due to our stereotyping, as well.
I'm an obsessed fan of 24. Last night I swelled with pride when I saw that they were dealing with this exact issue. I have thought, almost from the beginning of this present war, that Washington might revert to the horrible attrocity they called a solution that we pulled on Japanese-Americans during WW2.
We are a very diverse nation filled with an array of ethnicity and religion. Government should reflect the same diversity. It's not only okay to have a Muslim in office, it's right. Muslims represent about 2+% of the US population. The one muslim in the HOR, a membership of 435, accounts for 1/5 of 1% of the HOR. According to proper representation, there should be more Muslims in congress. Keith Ellison's message is that of peace, and, in order to quell the fear and distaste of many of his opponents, Ellison chose to swear in on Thomas Jefferson's personal copy of the Qur'an (click here for more info').
I digress--slightly.
We should be looking to be at peace with as many as will have it--period. And, Kindred, that is why you and I are now at peace as well, friend.