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Egypt was and will be a Islamic state. The unrest in Tunisia and Egypt has now spread to Jordan and Syria where protesters are demanding the government respond to concerns over unemployment and corruption. The Muslims in in Tunisia and Egypt are after a complete change in government, to an elected body. Israel may be the big loser. With no allies left(after Egypt), armed conflict is almost guaranteed, and we've been selling the Egyptians some pretty good stuff.
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Originally posted by ferrellj:
What did you expect when our own President tells the Muslims he is with them. This will be remembered for a long time.


You can do better than that, ferrellj. That old saw about Obama pledging to stand with the Muslims has been thoroughly discredited as one of the most widely-circulated pieces of viral e-mail vomit ever cooked up by lowlife scheming weasels! Shame on you!
Junior told us so ! The Middle East is Islamic.
Wow, who woulda ever thought !

Back in the real world, one of the main problems causing the unrest in Egypt, as well as Jordan and Tunisia, is the cost of wheat has gone up 70%.
If you want to drill down and do some research, you may find the root of this is in 1981 the New Deal controls on the speculation of agriculture was lifted from Wall Street, and "let the speculation begin".
No longer are commodity prices controlled by things like weather, etc. but on the speculated price.
Just like the $4 gasoline a couple of years ago, commodity speculation is driving up the cost of food for these people, and they are unhappy.
Seems the French had a revolution over food as well.
Along with putting controls back on Wall St, banking, we should re-instate the New Deal controls on commodity trading as well so as to have a stable world.
I bet the world can live without oil from the Middle East a heck of alot longer than the Middle East can live without wheat (and other food stuffs) from the US, China, and Russia. Sand is not a tasty substitute for bread. It is time for the countries who hold some of the cards to let these facts be known.
One encouraging note is that on the streets of Egypt, there does not seem to be much blame on the US nor Isreal for the mess there. They just want to get rid of Mubarak.
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Originally posted by elinterventor01:
Egypt ruled by the Islamic Brotherhood with Mohamed Mustafa El Baradei as their front man. Not a pleasant forecast.


We should all remember that the Islamic Brotherhood is a peaceful organization, not a fundamentalist group. Also, mainstream Islam is very loving and peaceful just like the majority of most religious teachings. Just like the New Testament was a continuation of the Old Testament, the Koran is a continuation and the latest prophesy of the New Testament. Islam worships the same god the Christians do. If only more people realized this. Islam is a parallel religion to Christianity, not an opposing one. We are all one, love everyone.
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Originally posted by beternU:
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Originally posted by ferrellj:
What did you expect when our own President tells the Muslims he is with them. This will be remembered for a long time.


You can do better than that, ferrellj. That old saw about Obama pledging to stand with the Muslims has been thoroughly discredited as one of the most widely-circulated pieces of viral e-mail vomit ever cooked up by lowlife scheming weasels! Shame on you!


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Obama: Egyptian Protesters 'an Inspiration'


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President Barack Obama says the passion and dignity demonstrated by the people of Egypt has been an inspiration. He says young protesters will reach their destiny.

In brief remarks at the White House Tuesday evening, the president said, "We hear your voices."


http://nation.foxnews.com/cult...testers-inspiration#
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Originally posted by Netracer41:
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Originally posted by elinterventor01:
Egypt ruled by the Islamic Brotherhood with Mohamed Mustafa El Baradei as their front man. Not a pleasant forecast.


We should all remember that the Islamic Brotherhood is a peaceful organization, not a fundamentalist group. Also, mainstream Islam is very loving and peaceful just like the majority of most religious teachings. Just like the New Testament was a continuation of the Old Testament, the Koran is a continuation and the latest prophesy of the New Testament. Islam worships the same god the Christians do. If only more people realized this. Islam is a parallel religion to Christianity, not an opposing one. We are all one, love everyone.


Whatever you're taking I'm sure it's not legal.
Perhaps you are not familiar with the term "Scorched Earth", and the implemntation of tactical battlefield nuclear weapons.
I assure youthat if a ground war against Isreal were to commence by those three nations, the three capital cities of those countries would be a smoking glass crater before the last Isreali dies.
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Originally posted by ferrellj:
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Originally posted by beternU:
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Originally posted by ferrellj:
What did you expect when our own President tells the Muslims he is with them. This will be remembered for a long time.


You can do better than that, ferrellj. That old saw about Obama pledging to stand with the Muslims has been thoroughly discredited as one of the most widely-circulated pieces of viral e-mail vomit ever cooked up by lowlife scheming weasels! Shame on you!


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Obama: Egyptian Protesters 'an Inspiration'


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President Barack Obama says the passion and dignity demonstrated by the people of Egypt has been an inspiration. He says young protesters will reach their destiny.

In brief remarks at the White House Tuesday evening, the president said, "We hear your voices."


http://nation.foxnews.com/cult...testers-inspiration#


You know and I know that those references are not what you were referring to in your earlier post. You most surely had in mind the infamous and intentional mis-quote that had Obama saying something that he most decidedly did not say.

Here is what Obama said. It is on pages260-261 of "The Audacity of Hope."
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"Whenever I appear before immigrant audiences, I can count on some good-natured ribbing from my staff after my speech; according to them, my remarks always follow a three-part structure: "I am your friend," "[Fill in the home country] has been a cradle of civilization," and "You embody the American dream." They're right, my message is simple, for what I've come to understand is that my mere presence before these newly minted Americans serves notice that they matter, that they are voters critical to my success and full-fledged citizens deserving of respect.
"Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific assurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."
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That "dark underbelly," with its forced detention of Japanese AMERICANS, is something this nation should regret and never repeat, and that is clearly the kind of thing Obama was opposing as regards treatment of naturalized American citizens of whatever national origin. Note also, that the "them" (NOT "MUSLIMS") with whom Obama committed himself to stand were "newly-minted Americans" and "Arab and Pakistani Americans"--in both cases AMERICAN CITIZENS, and in no way subsumed the greater community of non-American Muslims the world over.

The infamous and libelous viral internet
message that was derived from the above distorted and misquoted Obama to say that he would "stand with the Muslims." It also left out the contextual setting of the statement, for the obvious purpose of conveying to the unwary reader a false impression that he was committing categorically to stand with Muslims--whatever the issue and whatever the conflict.

THAT lying distortion, ferrellj, is obviously what you were referring to and you should be ashamed, first for bringing it up and secondly for trying posting up those vaguely-related smokescreen quotations as cover for your iniquity!
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Originally posted by seeweed:
Junior told us so ! The Middle East is Islamic.
Wow, who woulda ever thought !

Back in the real world, one of the main problems causing the unrest in Egypt, as well as Jordan and Tunisia, is the cost of wheat has gone up 70%.
If you want to drill down and do some research, you may find the root of this is in 1981 the New Deal controls on the speculation of agriculture was lifted from Wall Street, and "let the speculation begin".
No longer are commodity prices controlled by things like weather, etc. but on the speculated price.
Just like the $4 gasoline a couple of years ago, commodity speculation is driving up the cost of food for these people, and they are unhappy.
Seems the French had a revolution over food as well.
Along with putting controls back on Wall St, banking, we should re-instate the New Deal controls on commodity trading as well so as to have a stable world.


The present rise in food prices is, in part due to drought in Russia and flooding in Australia. For 15 years, I watched the world food supply shrink -- mainly because of government interference.

In the US, 40 percent of corn production is diverted for ethanol. Except for government subsidies, that would not take place. Some of the most productive agricultural land in the world, the San Joaquin was allowed to turn to desert because the government turned off their water, all to save a minnow. Well, the water shut off hasn't saved the smelt. Their biggest survival problem is the steelhead trout, a species introduced by the government to increase sport fishing in the area.

Zimbabwe, formerly Rhodesia, was the breadbasket of southern African and a supplier of gourmet beef to Europe, was reduced to a land of famine by its rulers. After the war ended, they attracted farmers from England and South Africa. Then, seized their farms and turned the land over to politicians. South Africa is in the process of doing the same thing.

Africa nations would like introduce GM crops, like the US has used for decades. However, the EU has threatened them with boycott of their products if they do so. The EU uses Africa as its provider of cheap tropical fruits such as bananas.

Asian Russia has millions of acres lying fallow because only 40 million of their 140 million people live there. Even use of Chinese field hands hasn't helped.

The EU subsidized vineyards to produce wine. More wine than the market could sell and really bad wine to boot. Much of that plonk was converted to ethanol. Land that could produce food diverted for a useless product.

Venezuela, under Chavez, is undergoing the destruction of its agriculture. Farms are seized cease to produce. Sugar cane ripped up and corn planted. Problem is, of course, corn doesn't grow well in cane breaks. It rots in the ground. Chavez has reduce Venezuela's oil production by 50 percent because of incompetence. He's doing the same to their farms.

Again, and again, government interference reduced agricultural production. And, your solution is more government interference.

In the 1960's working in the summer and a part time job during the rest of the year paid for college tuition. Thanks to government loans, cost of education has risen as the loan program has increased. Universities have no incentive to rein in costs.

Government policy dictated most people should own homes. Then, provided a market to buy up mortgages from banks to the tune of $6.5 trillion thru Freddie and Fannie. That caused inflation in the cost of homes. Remember when the rule was never to buy a house worth more than 2.5 times your salary. Now, 11 percent of homes are vacant and foreclosures are increasing. Government caused the problem and no amount of more government will solve the problem.

Keep out of out of our food supply. Go, get thee hence! For any good (none) that thou has done, thee has been here much too long. Go with God! But, for God's sake, go!
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Originally posted by beternU:
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Originally posted by ferrellj:
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Originally posted by beternU:
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Originally posted by ferrellj:
What did you expect when our own President tells the Muslims he is with them. This will be remembered for a long time.


You can do better than that, ferrellj. That old saw about Obama pledging to stand with the Muslims has been thoroughly discredited as one of the most widely-circulated pieces of viral e-mail vomit ever cooked up by lowlife scheming weasels! Shame on you!


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Obama: Egyptian Protesters 'an Inspiration'


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President Barack Obama says the passion and dignity demonstrated by the people of Egypt has been an inspiration. He says young protesters will reach their destiny.

In brief remarks at the White House Tuesday evening, the president said, "We hear your voices."


http://nation.foxnews.com/cult...testers-inspiration#


You know and I know that those references are not what you were referring to in your earlier post. You most surely had in mind the infamous and intentional mis-quote that had Obama saying something that he most decidedly did not say.

Here is what Obama said. It is on pages260-261 of "The Audacity of Hope."
_______________________

"Whenever I appear before immigrant audiences, I can count on some good-natured ribbing from my staff after my speech; according to them, my remarks always follow a three-part structure: "I am your friend," "[Fill in the home country] has been a cradle of civilization," and "You embody the American dream." They're right, my message is simple, for what I've come to understand is that my mere presence before these newly minted Americans serves notice that they matter, that they are voters critical to my success and full-fledged citizens deserving of respect.
"Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific assurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."
__________

That "dark underbelly," with its forced detention of Japanese AMERICANS, is something this nation should regret and never repeat, and that is clearly the kind of thing Obama was opposing as regards treatment of naturalized American citizens of whatever national origin. Note also, that the "them" (NOT "MUSLIMS") with whom Obama committed himself to stand were "newly-minted Americans" and "Arab and Pakistani Americans"--in both cases AMERICAN CITIZENS, and in no way subsumed the greater community of non-American Muslims the world over.

The infamous and libelous viral internet
message that was derived from the above distorted and misquoted Obama to say that he would "stand with the Muslims." It also left out the contextual setting of the statement, for the obvious purpose of conveying to the unwary reader a false impression that he was committing categorically to stand with Muslims--whatever the issue and whatever the conflict.

THAT lying distortion, ferrellj, is obviously what you were referring to and you should be ashamed, first for bringing it up and secondly for trying posting up those vaguely-related smokescreen quotations as cover for your iniquity!


So now you can check my spelling and read my mind, you truly are the great one aren't you. I didn't read his book and was not referring to it at all. Once again you are wrong.
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Originally posted by rocky:
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Originally posted by junior samples:
I told yall so! Iran believes Egypt and others will help create a new Islamic empire.Just think we will have more bombers than you can shake a stick at! Please book-mark this web-page. http://www.jihadwatch.org/


OH LORD JUNIOR, go eat some delicious white beans and TURN OFF Glenn Beck!!!!!!!!!!! Roll Eyes Wink Cool Big Grin


Instead of your silly comments why don't you tell us what you see happening in Egypt. You do have an opinion don't you?
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Originally posted by ferrellj:
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Originally posted by beternU:
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Originally posted by ferrellj:
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Originally posted by beternU:
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Originally posted by ferrellj:
What did you expect when our own President tells the Muslims he is with them. This will be remembered for a long time.


You can do better than that, ferrellj. That old saw about Obama pledging to stand with the Muslims has been thoroughly discredited as one of the most widely-circulated pieces of viral e-mail vomit ever cooked up by lowlife scheming weasels! Shame on you!


quote:
Obama: Egyptian Protesters 'an Inspiration'


quote:
President Barack Obama says the passion and dignity demonstrated by the people of Egypt has been an inspiration. He says young protesters will reach their destiny.

In brief remarks at the White House Tuesday evening, the president said, "We hear your voices."


http://nation.foxnews.com/cult...testers-inspiration#


You know and I know that those references are not what you were referring to in your earlier post. You most surely had in mind the infamous and intentional mis-quote that had Obama saying something that he most decidedly did not say.

Here is what Obama said. It is on pages260-261 of "The Audacity of Hope."
_______________________

"Whenever I appear before immigrant audiences, I can count on some good-natured ribbing from my staff after my speech; according to them, my remarks always follow a three-part structure: "I am your friend," "[Fill in the home country] has been a cradle of civilization," and "You embody the American dream." They're right, my message is simple, for what I've come to understand is that my mere presence before these newly minted Americans serves notice that they matter, that they are voters critical to my success and full-fledged citizens deserving of respect.
"Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific assurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."
__________

That "dark underbelly," with its forced detention of Japanese AMERICANS, is something this nation should regret and never repeat, and that is clearly the kind of thing Obama was opposing as regards treatment of naturalized American citizens of whatever national origin. Note also, that the "them" (NOT "MUSLIMS") with whom Obama committed himself to stand were "newly-minted Americans" and "Arab and Pakistani Americans"--in both cases AMERICAN CITIZENS, and in no way subsumed the greater community of non-American Muslims the world over.

The infamous and libelous viral internet
message that was derived from the above distorted and misquoted Obama to say that he would "stand with the Muslims." It also left out the contextual setting of the statement, for the obvious purpose of conveying to the unwary reader a false impression that he was committing categorically to stand with Muslims--whatever the issue and whatever the conflict.

THAT lying distortion, ferrellj, is obviously what you were referring to and you should be ashamed, first for bringing it up and secondly for trying posting up those vaguely-related smokescreen quotations as cover for your iniquity!


So now you can check my spelling and read my mind, you truly are the great one aren't you. I didn't read his book and was not referring to it at all. Once again you are wrong.
You said: "What did you expect when our own President tells the Muslims he is with them."

You said: "What did you expect when our own President tells the Muslims he is with them."

For comparison, here is the lying distortion that claimed Obama had pledged to "stand with the Muslims." From the "Conservative Leader":

"Note what B. Hussein Obama says in his own words. They are from his books entitled “Dreams of My Father” and “Audacity of Hope.

"In 'Audacity of Hope' he writes: 'I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.' The quote comes from page 261 of the paperback edition of “The Audacity of Hope."

http://www.conservativecrusade...and-with-the-muslims

A gross lying distortion of what he actually said.

But his actual statement from The Audacity of Hope was very different:

"They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific assurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

The phony quote and your statement sure read as though they are related and the peripheral quotes you dredged up in defense are not nearly that close to reflecting that he "is with them."
And aside from THAT, in your initial post you are equating "Egyptian protesters" and the "people of Egypt" with "Muslims." He did not address his remarks to "Muslims." He was addressing all the people and interests of Egypt seeking relief from the oppressive Mubarak regime and the social and economic repressions of that regime! The "Muslims" in your post is an interpolation that does not fit the situation and is one that you installed in order to obfuscate your embarrassing sympathy with the old discredited quotation I have herein exposed!
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The Obama administration is openly supporting the rights of demonstrators in political unrest in the Middle East that threatens the Egyptian government and others that have been key strategic allies of the United States.

http://waronterrornews.typepad...t-egyptian-ally.html

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On Monday, President Obama sent a clearly different message by supporting the idea of the Muslim Brotherhood playing a role in Egypt’s government.

http://www.wiserepublic.com/40...ood-huckabee-israel/

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Egypt has accused the Obama administration of championing the protests and of pressuring Mubarak to resign. The main opposition group, the Muslim Brotherhood, stands to gain a major foothold in the region as a result.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?f...E.view&pageId=258925

This is all happening now Better, not years ago in some book I've never read. Spin, distort, and deflect all you want. Your president is helping extreme Muslims take over a foreign country.
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Originally posted by ferrellj:
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The Obama administration is openly supporting the rights of demonstrators in political unrest in the Middle East that threatens the Egyptian government and others that have been key strategic allies of the United States.

http://waronterrornews.typepad...t-egyptian-ally.html

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On Monday, President Obama sent a clearly different message by supporting the idea of the Muslim Brotherhood playing a role in Egypt’s government.

http://www.wiserepublic.com/40...ood-huckabee-israel/

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Egypt has accused the Obama administration of championing the protests and of pressuring Mubarak to resign. The main opposition group, the Muslim Brotherhood, stands to gain a major foothold in the region as a result.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?f...E.view&pageId=258925

This is all happening now Better, not years ago in some book I've never read. Spin, distort, and deflect all you want. Your president is helping extreme Muslims take over a foreign country.


I will leave the spinning and distortion to Joseph Farah and his fanatical World Net Daily nutcakes, the source you seem to be relying on so ill-advisedly!
Unfortunately, since about 1789, revolutions have not turned out like they started. A small disciplined minority successfully subverted several. With, the results being mega-deaths and the destruction of civilized societies. The French revolution did not yield the democracy desired by Frederic Bastiat, but the government by terror (their term). Thousands were hauled in tumbrels to Madame La Guillotine. Louis XVI yielded to terror, which yielded to Napoleon and a wrecked Europe.

The classical liberal Russian revolution was subverted by the Bolsheviki, actually a small group. For decades they practiced mass murder of millions, converted Russia from the bread basket of Europe to a starving nation.

By intimidation, the NSDAP minority took over Germany with slightly lesser terrible results.

In Iran, the ayatollahs, subverted the revolution that over threw the shah.

Yes, there can be terrible results.

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